Why are people so lazy nowadays? Is it a generation thing?

[Johnny boy]

options, culture, upbringing, distractions, nature. All working together.

Scenario 1: You are born the son of a farmer in 1918.

You wake up, help with chores, put on your school clothes and walk to school. You talk back to the teacher and they grab you by the ears, wash your mouth out with soap, and you go back to your studies.

You finish school, walk home, and you play with your two brothers, playing tag or hitting each other with a stick until it's time for some more chores or you read your books. You skip one of your chores and your dad comes in from the field and beats your a$$ and goes back to work.

Now you're 12, the great depression hits. One of your brothers dies from pneumonia. You have to work full time with your dad out in the fields so you have enough food to survive.

It's now 1940 and you are 22. You are drafted and sent over to the Pacific.

You come home and find a job and get to work.

It's a safe bet to assume that a man with that upbringing has hands of steel and works like a goddamn horse. His brain is different. He has different expectations.

And now his grandson cries when he gets called names online, watches VR porn and makes tik-toks.

There are more options now too. You can get sucked into technology because it's there and waiting for you. Nobody hits their kids anymore. You are constantly bombarded with dopamine spikes. And if you don't want to work, reddit will welcome you with open arms and let you call it a political stance.

I am so glad we did not have smartphones when I was a kid. We had 5 acres and my mom didn't work for like 8 years to take care of the kids. Every day we would go out and do stuff. I played baseball and was in boy scouts. And me and dad would ride dirtbikes on summer afternoons. Lots of camping, very little screen time.

My kids will 100% be as fortunate as I was. They will not be babysat by an ipad, or raised by the public school system.

With all of that said, there are still hard working people nowadays. My employees showed up to work at 730am today and one of them lives 35 minutes away. This is all just speaking in a general "on average" way.

 

[MTF]

This is one of the reasons why I started my newsletter.

This is copied from my about page and is relevant to what you wrote:

So many modern men in the developed world are sick.

Addicted to comfort and convenience, they're weak physically and mentally. They're poor leaders, unreliable partners, and uninspiring friends.

Complaining about first world problems, unable to handle adversity, they stay away from challenges.

They not only fail to live up to their full potential but set a bad example for future generations, too.

But things don't have to be like that. If they only learned about the power of voluntarily embracing discomfort and practiced it, their lives would change.

Discomfort helps men reconnect with their wild side, the side that pushes them to explore, expand, and excel in life.

Each time I convinced a friend to take on a challenge and push their limits, I could see them light up. They not only rose to the occasion but were hungry for more.

I 100% believe that life’s easy when you live it the hard way and hard if you try to live it the easy way.

Unfortunately, most people in the developed world today shirk from any kind of discomfort.

With each passing year, they get softer and softer. And the softer you get, the weaker you are. The weaker you are, the less self-confidence you have. The less self-confidence you have, the less initiative you have. Eventually your life becomes stagnant. You hate your life but don't know why.

There are many reasons why this is so prevalent today. I would say it's primarily because of the self-centered culture, entitlement mentality, and narcissism, all fueled by social media. Everyone thinks they're the most important person in the world. "Only peasants work hard! I'm so special everything should be given to me!"

There's also very little respect for philosophy and knowledge today. Few people question their beliefs and cultivate self-awareness.

Because of the obsession with youth and beauty and pushing away all that's ugly and old, few people ponder uncomfortable topics that remind them of their mortality and insignificance.

Since most people rarely, if ever, contemplate their own death, they don't feel any urge to act today because they assume they're immortal and that they'll always have time to do things later.

I'm glad to hear that even though you're 22, you don't share these beliefs.

 

[K1 Lambo]

I'm probably not the best guy to give you guys a perspective on this topic since I was born at the end of 1999 and I'm still quite young, but I see so many guys who are from my generation and up who are just lazy and don't want to accomplish anything. Or do "shit" if that makes sense. But I guess us who are on this forum are the outliers, the 1% right?

I feel like chasing "big" dreams was more of a thing back in the 1960-1990s when social media was not existent AND people wanted to actually make something out of themselves; whether it'll be becoming a celebirty, successful ceo, bodybuilder(that's very popular now though), or just become successful in life. Now you got these young guys who just want to make a cashflow and that's it. Even Andy Frisella said it himself; People who want to build something big today are at a huge advantage because of technology and less competition at the top. There's only a lot of competition at ground 0, but once you go up it starts to dissipate. Or Gary V; who calls it old white man talk: "Ah I used to go school in twelve feet of snow up the hill" etc.

Why is that? Is it a generation thing? I mean my parents were born in 1970s and my dad's dad(my grandpa) and his whole family come from farm/rural parts of Poland, back when Poland was a third world country and was a very poor country. They come from the blue collar type of generation. They loved to get their hands dirty. I see that in my dad still, even if he can pay someone to do something for him(even if he's not the best man for the job), he still wants to do it. Maybe it's arrogance? Or a mix of both? I see it's a common thing with older people.

I'm exactly the opposite; If I know I'm not the best man for the job,I'd happily pay a guy to save my time and acknowledge the dude/girl.

Here are some of my theories on why that is more prevalent than ever:
1. Insane amounts of comfort. It's like that saying; a hungry wolf will do a lot more than the wolf who's fed at the top of the hill. Just think about it: You want some entertainment? You got loads of options for that one with YouTube, Instagram, FB, TikTok, Netflix etc. You want to get a little hump but you're shy? Go on dating sites and pick up girls/guys there. What if you just want to stay at home? Well you got all these porn websites that'll do the work for you. The list goes on and on.

2. School system. This is probably the biggest reason why that is. If we'd want to revolutionize thinking we'd have to start with the youngest generation and teach them STUFF that actually will impact you more than anything like communication, how to sell, how to build a great body(the way your body works and how you think of yourself work synergistically), how to attract the other gender, how to build high income skills that will help you make a lot of money, how to manage your money, compound interest bs and even this 9-5 tradeoff(which MJ explained brilliantly in his books) etc. I doubt this will ever change though, since it doesn't serve the rulers of this world. This whole 9-5 system would collapse. We're told to avoid failure as much as possible, and to never standout which is horrible advice.

3.External influences. We have been suppressed on purpose. I'm reading Dale Carnegie's book right now and there was a quote at the end of the book where it says: "Humans merely use 10% of their true capacity".

Tony Robbins also has a great line: "You're not lazy. You just have small goals! Big goals inspire big action."

Plus this whole concept about money that's so wrong and still exists everywhere like "rich dudes are evil" or "money doesn't make you happy" and all of that. At the same time, it's very hard for someone to believe something when they've never seen it or witnessed it. Let's face it, most people don't know one truly successful person. NOT ONE! But once your mind explores new pathways, you start to build on new beliefs and start thinking to yourself: "Wow, maybe this is possible for me."

It's like experiencing that one life defining event where your life's momentum changes for you. Like it was for MJ when he saw that white Lamborghini Countach back in the 80s and the belief of getting rich young in MJ's mind was exposed.

My grandma(who's a Jehovah's witness by the way) was telling me that stuff when I was younger. I remember one time in particular and I guess it was an event like that for me.

About 2-3 years ago, she brought this witness with her to study the bible with us. Her initial goal was to convince me into becoming a witness like her, she's been a witness for over 50 years. She's 69 or 70 now. I know it was the case since I've been living with her for a couple months since I was broke and she told me I could live with her only if I complied to studying the bible with her once or twice a week, so I agreed. I remember sitting there with this dude in front of me over the table telling me it's better to be a sheep than a lion. He said he'd pick being a sheep over a lion everyday. Or how it's bad to make money since he lost all of it back in the 90s, he lived in Germany and back then you could make a lot of black money very quickly. And I sat there and thought to myself: "I'm a 20 year old guy full of testosterone with huge ambitions and these people are making me feel guilty of wanting to be something more than them. Who tf is this guy? He's 50 years old, drives a shitty Volkswagen and hasn't achieved shit and now he's telling me I should be just like him?". I also remember how they were telling me that their religion is the ONLY right one, out of the 4,000 religions that are out there. I was like their mindset and narcisissm towards life was ambiguous as Hitler's dictatorship back in WW2. Jehovah's witnesses also believe in something called the Armageddon which is when God obliterates demonic enemies and puts peace back to earth. BUT, you have to wait and wait. Go to congregations every Sunday and pray that it's going to happen. DO nothing, BE nothing and it will happen. Oh and they also believe in only dating/marrying Jehovah's witnesses. Girls who are outside our world? NOPE, out.

Long story short, this religion thing is somewhat similar to the compound interest scam. You waste 40-50 years of your life and this new world order still hasn't happened after 50 obedient years. My grandma still believes in it though. I love her but this religion has destroyed her mental acuity and logical reasoning completely. My mom also remembers how she was indoctrinated to this type of thinking when she was 3 years old(she's 46 now). It's manipulation in a way.

This is a long post but I hope you get some value out of it. Don't let these people destroy your dreams.

What do y'all think about this? Is it just a generational thing or has it always been there?

 

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[Fox]

Off the top of my head:
- device time
- instant gratification
- porn
- the massive drop in testosterone levels
- sleep/diet
- cultural lack of big vision/goals
- growing individual isolation
- education system
- lack of strong role models

I think the biggest one is devices. The average time online is like 3-5 hours a day.
Just take that out of the equation and you would see a LOT more real-life activity going on.

 

[Kung Fu Steve]

It may not be your fault, but it is your responsibility.

You can spend your entire life trying to dissect why people are the way they are... or you could invest your life in being who you want to be.

If I can be so bold, stop worrying about why "everybody else" is messed up and become a shining example of inspiration and possibility!

 

[Leo Hartas]

I have three 'kids' in their mid to late 20s. Back when they were young we made a bold move out of the city into the country and I think it was the best decision for their future. They learnt by playing in the woods, building dens, roving wild, very much as my childhood was in the 70s. They also witnessed, and sometimes helped me with renovating our dilapidated house, building sheds and looking after chickens. Sure, I had trouble prising them off computer games, but the best thing was that where we lived there was no phone reception.

I've just come off a call with my youngest who is currently hiking and wild camping through Spain with is girlfriend. My eldest works very hard and is successfully building a freelance career and bought her first house. My middle child was the laziest, hooked into computer games, but I had a big, 'get off your a$$', talk with him and he went out and got a tough job in demolition and now has his own place.

I don't know why it worked out with them as I saw some of their friends become lazy without any drive to get on. I guess my kids experienced discomfort, camping out, walking miles in the rain and mud, and they discovered that it was fun. Also, we have never had much money despite my best efforts to make various ventures work, so they realised that you have to work for what you want instead of it being handed on a plate.

I hope I don't sound like I'm blowing my own trumpet too much. I never felt I planned it or was a particularly responsible parent, in fact most of the time it felt like barely controlled chaos. lol!

 

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[Black_Dragon43]

People are lazy because they can afford being lazy. The consequences of laziness today aren’t what they used to be 100 years ago.

Most people act out of necessity - they have an external locus of control. So they take action only if they need to.

Also, it’s only natural… the lion who is continuously fed and doesn’t need to hunt will be lazy. He doesn’t need to be otherwise and nature, meaning his body, tells him he has everything he needs, so why do anything? Better to conserve energy.

People can only be different if they use their intelligence. And many times, society trains that out of them by the time they reach adulthood.

 

[K1 Lambo]

This is one of the reasons why I started my newsletter.

This is copied from my about page and is relevant to what you wrote:



I 100% believe that life’s easy when you live it the hard way and hard if you try to live it the easy way.

Unfortunately, most people in the developed world today shirk from any kind of discomfort.

With each passing year, they get softer and softer. And the softer you get, the weaker you are. The weaker you are, the less self-confidence you have. The less self-confidence you have, the less initiative you have. Eventually your life becomes stagnant. You hate your life but don't know why.

There are many reasons why this is so prevalent today. I would say it's primarily because of the self-centered culture, entitlement mentality, and narcissism, all fueled by social media. Everyone thinks they're the most important person in the world. "Only peasants work hard! I'm so special everything should be given to me!"

There's also very little respect for philosophy and knowledge today. Few people question their beliefs and cultivate self-awareness.

Because of the obsession with youth and beauty and pushing away all that's ugly and old, few people ponder uncomfortable topics that remind them of their mortality and insignificance.

Since most people rarely, if ever, contemplate their own death, they don't feel any urge to act today because they assume they're immortal and that they'll always have time to do things later.

I'm glad to hear that even though you're 22, you don't share these beliefs.

Thanks bro. 100% spot on. And guess what? When they become stagnant, complacent, fat and live in the world of instant gratification; they become easier to control.

Even this whole dating world is crazy. Like remember how it was back in the 1950s or even 30 years ago. Men had to actually go out and talk to women. There was no social media back then. If you liked someone, you had to talk to them.

Bro I remember my high school class. Some dudes didn't even talk to the girl that was sitting right in front of them all the time. What did they do instead? They started to follow her on social media. THAT'S WEAK. Girls spot that easily.

Think about the problems our ancestors had to go through hundreds of thousands of years ago, when they were neanderthals. There was no safety net. You either fought till death or you fled which got you killed in most cases.

They had to learn how to fight and hunt wild animals like the mammoth, boars, elks, fish, deers etc. And they also needed to know how to protect themselves from predators like the sabertooth tigers, cave bears, cave lions, wolves or any animal that could cause serious danger to the tribe. And they also had to build leaderships skills fast!

Now you got people who are complaining about that one bad comment from YouTube, the Kardashians or Kanye's split with Kim's boyfriend. It's CRAZY! I don't even follow them but still see their content on my IG feed everyday!

 

[Guyfieri5]

I think the biggest thing to fix this motivation issue is giving people a reason to live again which probably speaks to the small goals thing you're talking about. Society's huge push to get everyone into the classroom and eventually into the cubicle may look good on paper, but it is a hell of depressing life for those who live it.

The only success I knew of growing up was going to college and getting a 9-5 job. For many, that's the case. I was always frustrated and unmotivated in my early twenties because that was the goal imparted on me by my family and it was depressing as hell. Hard to stay motivated when the end of the tunnel looks like a darker tunnel.

I don't blame our generation for being lazy and unmotivated. Every day we watch people living it up on Youtube, Instagram, Facebook, and Hollywood. They drive fancy cars, live in huge houses, vacation on huge yachts, etc., meanwhile, they tell us we should go to school, get a good job, and one day maybe we'll get to live like them. It is friggin impossible to ever buy a yacht, have a mansion, or drive a fancy car on a $70,000 dollar salary putting away 15%.
In fact, thanks to inflation, you probably can't even afford a tiny house and compact car without going into massive debt!

Setting bigger goals and seeing them be achieved by other people was big for me. I was one of those lazy people and it had nothing to do with my character, I just didn't have goals big enough to get excited about.

 

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[WillHurtDontCare]

Because you can be lazy and not die.

Most people from previous generations did not have this option.

 

[Cameraman]

No, it isn't a generational thing. People haven't changed. What's changed is the environment they now have to live and operate in. Today there are more distractions, misinformation and short term rewards than ever but there are also more opportunities.

I read this in a book back in the 1980s when it seemed like an amazing truth, and it's still true today. The book by the way was written in the 1920s.

The environment you live in is always changing. Learn to manage it rather than allow it to run your life. You are the product of your decisions and people today are the same as they were 100 years ago. There were lazy people then and there are lazy people today.

What may have changed is that people now expect more and are led to believe they can achieve more without effort. Having said that, this has also always been the case. You only have to look back at some of the information products being sold through classified ads 50 years ago.

 

[DWX]

Never been a better time for those willing to roll up their sleeves and wade into deeper waters.

 

[starttoday123]

I enjoyed reading this. The organization of how you wrote and interesting examples you gave made the information digestible, educational and enjoyable to read! I agree with so much of this and your writing is full of amazing insights!

I make a great point about society blindling following religion in their own way.

I’ve “studied” the Bible (aka I read like 50 pages of the Bible and speed read the whole book) over the last 5 years and essentially find many teachings in the Bible for success actually give such a similar plan to achieve success as the fastlane approach including lots of hard work which people just don’t get because society just doesn’t want to deal with that truth.

Step one: Pray for exactly what you want aka Abram in Genesis prayed for the land he wanted (make a 1/5/10 plan)
Step two: do all the HARD work that’s necessary even if you don’t want to and not work that you’ve chosen necessarily aka for Abram it was gathering a three year old heifer, a three year old she goat, a three year old ram, a turtle dove, and a young pigeon (aka Execution and doing the work necessary or else you won’t reach your goal)
Step three: you’ll get what you prayed for aka inherit the land in the story of Abram (you’ll achieve an amazing, financially free life you planned in your 1/5/10 plan)

My problem is I understand concepts really well but cannot for the life of me actually apply what I learn to my own life lol but I’m going to figure it out

 

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[WillHurtDontCare]

This guy said it better than I could have:

 

[ZF Lee]

This guy said it better than I could have:
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For me, it's walking 5-10km around 1-3AM because I missed the last bus home.
Scariest shit as you could get nabbed anytime...but walking is a good way to build an awareness of navigation and get the blood pumping.

I'll have to respectfully disagree with this Sean guy. I don't know who he is but mental illness and depression absolutely matter. I understand what he's trying to say, but I don't think that's the right way to go about things. There's a difference between having a victim mindset and people with genuine mental illnesses that who can't get on with their day because of its effects.

Yes...it's hard to truly judge on your own whether you really have mental illnesses, or its just a symptom of bad habits/environment.

The best we can do is to try what we can control first. Do the sports...maybe shift to a new place...more sunlight...muffins for breakfast...church...whatever. And if it all doesn't work, then better to see a therapist. But if their only solution is to pump me with pills, then I'd scram.

 

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[Itizn]

IMO Gen Z are more "go-getters" than millenials.

 

[Silverfox148]

Interesting topic, I think the below causes are some of the biggest culprits

1. Material Comfort
2. Lack of meaning(directly relates to material comfort)
3. Lack of community/connection to other humans
4. Depression/Anxiety/Drug Addiction/Escapism
5. Social Media/Technology/Capitalism/Psychology/etc.

I believe the biggest issue facing us as individuals and as a culture and society is extreme material comfort. In essence we are victims of our own success, the lack of material/physical struggle then leads to a loss of meaning for the individual and then eventually a loss of connectedness to other humans which then leads to depression/anxiety/addiction/escapism etc.

I actually think technology and social media are just manifestations of the sickness underneath. It's ironic and a bit cruel that a time of such material comfort the inverse is true in terms of mental comfort which is probably at all time lows as people are racked with depression/anxiety/addiction/escapism/porn/etc. I am reading a book that is very admired by the mental health profession in general and the book talks about how not giving a child an Ice cream when he wants one and throws a tantrum leads to irreversible trauma for the kid that will have to be repaired by the years of therapy(if it can be ever), that's literally the level of material comfort we have achieved.

When a society/colony/group reaches a certain level of comfort I believe nature on Earth self corrects and starts the pendulum going in the other direction.

 

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[Ocean Man]

I think what you're referring to is work ethic. There are definitely people who have it and who don't. But the nice thing is that if someone doesn't have a good work ethic, they can improve themselves. The above comments have listed several good points. And there are genuine people who don't want to improve themselves and are complacent with where they're at. That's not good.

But I'd also say that a good portion of the youth is tired now. They feel helpless and don't feel like they can get much out of life. We've had multiple financial crashes, wars, student debt at its highest, high inflation, low wages, COVID with the world shutting down, high living costs making it seem like owning a home is can't be a reality, is it even possible to retire? Growing up through numerous life events like this definitely play a toll on people.

And these all sound like excuses. You can move to a cheaper part of the country or move to another cheaper country if you're unable to purchase a home. You're able to choose to not go to school if you want to avoid student debt, you can try and learn skills to find a job that provides a better income. Those are all possibilities.

But man, I wouldn't just say it's so easy for people to live now. A lot of people are unfortunately barely making it by.

And again, you can totally argue that those reasons are all just excuses and young people are playing the victim card.

 

[MitchC]

I enjoyed reading this. The organization of how you wrote and interesting examples you gave made the information digestible, educational and enjoyable to read! I agree with so much of this and your writing is full of amazing insights!

I make a great point about society blindling following religion in their own way.

I’ve “studied” the Bible (aka I read like 50 pages of the Bible and speed read the whole book) over the last 5 years and essentially find many teachings in the Bible for success actually give such a similar plan to achieve success as the fastlane approach including lots of hard work which people just don’t get because society just doesn’t want to deal with that truth.

Step one: Pray for exactly what you want aka Abram in Genesis prayed for the land he wanted (make a 1/5/10 plan)
Step two: do all the HARD work that’s necessary even if you don’t want to and not work that you’ve chosen necessarily aka for Abram it was gathering a three year old heifer, a three year old she goat, a three year old ram, a turtle dove, and a young pigeon (aka Execution and doing the work necessary or else you won’t reach your goal)
Step three: you’ll get what you prayed for aka inherit the land in the story of Abram (you’ll achieve an amazing, financially free life you planned in your 1/5/10 plan)

My problem is I understand concepts really well but cannot for the life of me actually apply what I learn to my own life lol but I’m going to figure it out

I’m not religious but I’m starting to get more interested as I get older. I love this verse.

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

 

[ramonorencio]

Our phones, it’s one of the biggest variables from back in the day.

 

[K1 Lambo]

Yeah, mechanisms that turn everybody into wage slave consumer are one aspect.

Can't really say that having big dreams helps with "being less lazy". Maybe lazyness is not the right word then, I am even not happy with "action faking", but I simply see no on-ramps to executing.
So I think it is mostly a problem of incentives.
Never really saw any options. Seems like there is an in-crowd of high performers and those who could provide an opportunity don't take any chances and they only cater to successful people - unless it is a mass market bs product with built-in obsolescence.

But as you wrote, there are many other aspects that lead to the outcome.

Probably too much information is an issue too. Young kids/men or women see these fancy lifestyles and bs information that leads to nowhere.

How is Germany by the way? Is it similar to Norway in that lazyness sense? Norway has a egalitarian society(men and women are the same rule) which obviously backfires at them. Men are trying to be women and vice versa. Like wtf?

 

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[Chapas]

I honestly feel sorry for the kids growing up today. Life as a kid in the 90's and 00's was the bomb.

Almost no devices. We spent all day being outside. Playing football (soccer), climbing trees and inventing all sort of weird games.

Internet was so expensive for us. So when opening a website, my dad instantly printed the whole website for me and then went offline immediately. Same with music. There was no YouTube. So we had to record all our favorite songs from MTV to our VHS players in order to view it again.

The abundance today makes us all lazy. While it is convenient to have access to whatever you need within a couple of minutes - it is very boring. You don't have to 'fight' for anything longer. Everything is served to you on a silver platter.

So glad I grew up without internet, devices and social media. Sad that today's kids will never know how awesome childhood was back then.

 

[K1 Lambo]

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I enjoyed reading this. The organization of how you wrote and interesting examples you gave made the information digestible, educational and enjoyable to read! I agree with so much of this and your writing is full of amazing insights!

I agree with lots of your views on religion and have seen other people go through bad experiences because of radical religion. I go to church every Sunday but don’t consider myself religious only spiritual and I pray 2x of deep prayer week basically 10 minutes TOTAL of praying per week so that’s all I consider myself to be spiritually is someone who prays 10min a week (I hope to pray more in the future but have to be honest). Too many people label themselves as a certain religion as if it’s 24/7 who they are 365 days a year! That’s so far from the truth for the far majority of them but it’s the way we’re trained as a society to be and no one is thinking and acting for themselves.

I’ve “studied” the Bible (aka I read like 50 pages of the Bible and speed read the whole book) over the last 5 years and essentially find many teachings in the Bible for success actually give almost the same exact plan to achieve success as MJs books including lots of hard work which people just don’t get because society just doesn’t want to deal with that truth.

Step one: Pray for exactly what you want aka Abram in Genesis prayed for the land he wanted (make a 1/5/10 plan)
Step two: do all the HARD work that’s necessary even if you don’t want to and not work that you’ve chosen necessarily aka for Abram it was gathering a three year old heifer, a three year old she goat, a three year old ram, a turtle dove, and a young pigeon (aka Execution and doing the work necessary or else you won’t reach your goal)
Step three: you’ll get what you prayed for aka inherit the land in the story of Abram (you’ll achieve an amazing, financially free life you planned in your 1/5/10 plan)

My problem is I understand concepts really well but cannot for the life of me actually apply what I learn to my own life lol but I’m going to figure it out

Thank you sir. This whole religion concept goes hand in hand of what we're talking about: People don't want to think for themselves, instead they just want to go with the sheep and play the victim. I sometimes feel like religion is a crutch to escape for many people. They act all nice in organizations but 5 minutes later they're rude to the cashier at the local mall. It doesn't make sense!

Those concepts from the Bible are quite interesting! Never heard of them before.

I'm not trying to play the victim here, but what bothers me the most is that my whole family from my mother's side has suffered because of that. They're trapped in this invisible box that they're not even acutely aware of because of their limited beliefs. Is there really one "true" religion? What about christianity, buddhism, hinduism, taoism, islam and all the others? That's disrespectful to all the others.

I'm a man of faith myself and I do believe in God and the universe, there are some things that just can't be explained and that is one of them.

 

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[David Fitz]

I think it's down to parenting and the ease of life we have now.

Parent's gladly leave their kids play games, laptops etc just to keep them quiet. Parents will also wipe their childs butts until they are well into their 20's.

There's no struggle anymore in modern life. Everything you want is a click away. How can kids learn about hard work when all they have to do is click something and it's here? Open a fridge and there's all the food they need plus mommy will make them whatever they want and deliver it to them while they're playing the PlayStation.

 

[rc08234]

We are more productive than ever, but lazier than ever. It's due to tech advances etc, we can do more from out smartphone than all of NASA could in the 60's. When you don't have to bust your a$$ everyday you get lazy. Also because of,

Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.

We have had it relatively easy since the 70-80's.

 

[Odysseus M Jones]

Ever heard of Kanye West's quote

We're quoting singers now
That's a generational thing

 

[Onakosa]

There is deffo an element of schools and teaching in there. I was a secondary school teacher for a while and, for all sorts of reasons, we spent a lot of time 'teaching to test' (or doing 'drill to kill' if you prefer). Basically we spoon fed the kids every single piece of info they would need to get a A grade in their exams. Any sort of questioning or debate was mostly discouraged (again, the reasons here are complicated), and due to the sheer volume of info, in depth reading or analysis wasn't on the cards either. Universities now work the same way, from what I can see. Accordingly, kids tend to leave full time education pretty much incapable of being able to quietly sit down, read a book properly, formulate a proper argument backed up with sources, references etc. They are mentally undisciplined and lazy because they've never been taught how to be anything else. Just to be clear, I am NOT having a go at: young people/schools/parents/any one group! There are lots of reasons why we're in this situation now. It is what it is. But yeah, the UK education system has definitely played a part in creating a generation of apparently 'lazy' Brits.

 

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[K1 Lambo]

Off the top of my head:
- device time
- instant gratification
- porn
- the massive drop in testosterone levels
- sleep/diet
- cultural lack of big vision/goals
- growing individual isolation
- education system
- lack of strong role models

I think the biggest one is devices. The average time online is like 3-5 hours a day.
Just take that out of the equation and you would see a LOT more real-life activity going on.

I heard somewhere that the food that we eat today is full of pesticides and is not as healthy as what it used to be, which is the reason why men have 50% less testosterone now than what they had back in 1960 or 1970.

 

[K1 Lambo]

options, culture, upbringing, distractions, nature. All working together.

Scenario 1: You are born the son of a farmer in 1918.

You wake up, help with chores, put on your school clothes and walk to school. You talk back to the teacher and they grab you by the ears, wash your mouth out with soap, and you go back to your studies.

You finish school, walk home, and you play with your two brothers, playing tag or hitting each other with a stick until it's time for some more chores or you read your books. You skip one of your chores and your dad comes in from the field and beats your a$$ and goes back to work.

Now you're 12, the great depression hits. One of your brothers dies from pneumonia. You have to work full time with your dad out in the fields so you have enough food to survive.

It's now 1940 and you are 22. You are drafted and sent over to the Pacific.

You come home and find a job and get to work.

It's a safe bet to assume that a man with that upbringing has hands of steel and works like a goddamn horse. His brain is different. He has different expectations.

And now his grandson cries when he gets called names online, watches VR porn and makes tik-toks.

There are more options now too. You can get sucked into technology because it's there and waiting for you. Nobody hits their kids anymore. You are constantly bombarded with dopamine spikes. And if you don't want to work, reddit will welcome you with open arms and let you call it a political stance.

I am so glad we did not have smartphones when I was a kid. We had 5 acres and my mom didn't work for like 8 years to take care of the kids. Every day we would go out and do stuff. I played baseball and was in boy scouts. And me and dad would ride dirtbikes on summer afternoons. Lots of camping, very little screen time.

My kids will 100% be as fortunate as I was. They will not be babysat by an ipad, or raised by the public school system.

With all of that said, there are still hard working people nowadays. My employees showed up to work at 730am today and one of them lives 35 minutes away. This is all just speaking in a general "on average" way.

Spot on dude. Great story. I'm glad I didn't grow up with the phone either. It started to be available to me when I was around 16 so it's a much better thing than getting it when you're 3 or 4 years of age. It does work like an addiction unfortunately.

That one man from the nineteen hundreds will have a totally different view on life than his grandsons who are making tiktok videos. I remember being on Reddit and seeing all these complainers who call people fake natties just because they've built a better body than them. It's ridiculous! People don't appreciate what hard work is!

 

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[Andreas Thiel]

Probably too much information is an issue too. Young kids/men or women see these fancy lifestyles and bs information that leads to nowhere.

How is Germany by the way? Is it similar to Norway in that lazyness sense? Norway has a egalitarian society(men and women are the same rule) which obviously backfires at them. Men are trying to be women and vice versa. Like wtf?

In my environment people worry about that very little. They get curious when I talk about what is happening in the "woke" circles.
Right now at work some managers are starting to incorporate the spread the ESG related inclusion trainings and it seems pretty alien to most, but doesn't yet raise the red flags that it should.
We started some efforts like relabeling things that are potentially triggering ... like master / slave as a concept in the IT world.

They think they are familiar with the equality push from their childhood and this is similar. The powers that be don't cross many lines yet, like compelled speech. Nobody is forced to address people with the pronouns they want, yet.

There is one high profile man to woman transition among the top executives, but it is considered a strange but courageous isolated story, not a new way of thinking about things. But that strategy seems to be working, slowly moving the goalpost rather than upsetting people. That said, I am among mostly around 40+ year old professionals. Have heard horror stories from people in academic circles and worry about the next generation of teachers that will brainwash children, soon. Went to one speed dating event and 2 of 8 women were influenced by woke movements. One a communist activist for equality, the other actually teaching intercultural courses. I asked about gendered language and she said that is an important part of it.

Not sure about lazyness. I think what happens in most cases is that people spend all their energy in their day jobs and one would consider them lazy when you only know their private lives. In the workplace I don't see much lazyness resulting from egalitaranism, even the younger ones are ambitious, curious and reliable.