Why are people so lazy nowadays? Is it a generation thing?

[Determined2012]

I think it's down to parenting and the ease of life we have now.

Parent's gladly leave their kids play games, laptops etc just to keep them quiet. Parents will also wipe their childs butts until they are well into their 20's.

There's no struggle anymore in modern life. Everything you want is a click away. How can kids learn about hard work when all they have to do is click something and it's here? Open a fridge and there's all the food they need plus mommy will make them whatever they want and deliver it to them while they're playing the PlayStation.

I agree. It's a fine line between support and enabling!

The best thing is for parents to lead by example. We have to set goals and our children need to see us accomplishing them.

 

[tomzestatlu]

I was born at the beginning of 90s, so I would say I am from that generation, which saw the transition of everything to online. I would say, that I could be 11 or 12 yo, when we got fast unlimited internet. Of course, there was internet before. Being online 1 hour a week was something amazing back then, but definitely not hurting. I remember that moment, when technician left our flat and I immediately called my friend, that I can finally join their clan in Vietcong.

And I think, that technologies are to blame. It could be amazing to live through 80s and 90s with all the technological advance, that actually helped people. But nowadays I am kind of disgusted with all the new technologies. My opinion is that we reached the point until which technologies were helping and since then it´s doing more harm to society.

Another thing that is abundance of options. I think, that people are too much overwhelmed with options in all areas in life, that it is counter-productive. People are endlessly roaming mall and never become satisfied. Nowadays they want to buy tomato and there are 25 different types of various sizes, colors and tastes. They can never be satisfied, because there´s always chance, that they didn´t pick the best one.

I am not still sure whether it´s generational thing. I don´t think people from older generations are some kind of more hardworking or stronger. Maybe it´s because I come from Eastern Europe and my country has history of 40 years of communism. The most of the 40-60 year olds don´t have anything interesting going on in their lifes than watching TV and drinking alcohol. Actually their biggest threat in their lifes is, when they can´t choose from 25 different types of tomatoes. As long as they have this option, they have 100 TV channels to watch and they can get drunk on weekend, there´s no reason to don´t be complacent.

I think, that people intentionally choose being satisfied with "good-enough" than risk being dissapointed. Imagine the situaiton, where average yearly salary might be 12-15 thousands USD and new totally average house with no land is 500 thousands USD. Where it´s impossible to find a love bond in any other way than in app. Young people, this is your new reality and enjoy it.

And maybe the trap is that the system won´t let you starve. The system let´s you live this "good-enough" live, where you have the option to work for a corporation and pay all the earned money to corporations. The abundance is an illusion.

Are people more lazy? I don´t think so. Are people more unhappy? Definitely.

 

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[WJK]

This is a great topic. I've experienced both sides growing up in the 90s and early 2000s. It's hard to pinpoint the exact moment you become lazy, but there are a number of events that compound. As a kid, I did all the things you were supposed to do (playing outside, sports, making friends etc.) But when certain tools got introduced into my life, I became more lazy, entitled, and reclusive.

Al the video games, porn, television, food. All these enablers and comforts slowly eroded my sense of a reward system. However those comforts are not to blame. I still made a choice to engage in those acts. That's what I believe is the main problem. It's flawed conditioning. Many of us who grew up during this time had no sense of delayed gratification. When we didn't get our way, we'd complain. Since society enables victims and you can reward yourself through escapism(porn/video games/food), it makes sense why we have such a warped sense of entitlement. I personally wasted all of my 20s in this flawed mindset.

Even when you become aware of the behavior, it's still tough to correct. I have to catch myself sometimes and ask "Am I being a brat right now?" "Is this how successful people behave?" Now when I don't get my way, more time than not, I can reframe a failure into a learning experience.

Like some have said, I think this issue is more pervasive in men.

It's always been going on. We've had beggars, thieves, and slackers since mankind began. If you look back at human history, that element has always been there. They sat the gates of our ancient cities. The criminals robbed travelers regularly. Yes, now you can play video games on demand. You can get porn also on demand. You can order food and they will bring it to you as long as you can pay the bill.

On the flip side of those temptations, I can type in any question into Google and get instant answers. I find it to be magical. I don't have to go to the library, look up the subject in the card index, find the book(s), and look for my answer in the pages. I simply ask my question and get several answers.

As far as personal responsibility, it's really up to you. Do what you really want in your heart. If you do run with your dream, know that you will mostly be alone during that journey. Almost all the people around you today will be in your rearview mirror. You will leave them way behind as you move forward.

Then, it's also up to you how you tell the story when you obtain your success. I've outdistanced the people I grew up with a long ago. I don't even try to tell them about my life. They would actively reject me and shun me. They don't want to hear about my success. So I downplay my life when I'm around them. They don't need to know what I'm doing.

 

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[MTF]

Love this. Should be a quote.

It is a quote by Dave Kekich. I wrote about him here:

#1: Embracing Discomfort and Rejecting Security With Dave Kekich’s Credo

On July 7, 1978, exercise fanatic Dave Kekich was working out in the gym like any other day. While training, he suffered a freak spinal cord injury. At the age of 35, it left him paralyzed from the chest down. His injury cost him everything. He couldn’t engage in

www.discomfortclub.com

 

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[Silverfox148]

Interesting discussion, humans are still humans but the environment has a tremendous impact on us, in fact a very outsized influence as we are very tuned to the environment as that is how we became an apex predator/species. We have never seen an environment in human history as we see now, when I say environment I mean food availability, social media, the mass amount of confort, etc.

As human beings we are not built for the current environment, we can adapt to a certain extent but there is an individual limit. I actually see Mother Nature at work here, in that if a species is extracting way to much resources and becoming so successful, there is an inborn kill switch. One could argue we see that in the west today.

 

[Joey Murray]

They are mentally undisciplined and lazy because they've never been taught how to be anything else.

I saw this in university years ago.

We had one exercise where you were supposed to build an argument that made talking points for the position *opposite* of what you actually thought.

Most of the class couldn't do it. "But I don't agree with that." They weren't able to conform a constructive argument that challenged their own beliefs. Delve into any general thread on politics or conversational topics and you'll see this mechanism at work in a majority of the general populous.

 

[chimichangatime]

It's not a generational thing. It's simply human nature. We have people in every generation who are lazy and thoughtless.

Why did I have to scroll so far to see this? It's just how people are. There are no bygone glory days. There's nothing to go back to to make your country "great again." People romanticize things all the time, but I had chicken pox and measles growing up but my kids never will. My parents drove cars that were literal deathtraps that could never be sold new today. Poeple at work have the right not to be poisoned/deformed/abused/etc. by their employers. Progress!

I started working at 13 but I specifically do NOT want my kids to do that - besides, they don't need to, they need to be kids. Beating your kids isn't "the good old days" and doesn't make them better adults - and tons of research supports this. This is PROGRESS.

Kids shouldn't be up at 0430 plowing fields then going to school, they need to sleep. They need to play. Why is that period of the industrial revolution the model? Because YOU think it makes people "good" or "better?" I don't and neither does the science.

I'll have to respectfully disagree with this Sean guy. I don't know who he is but mental illness and depression absolutely matter. I understand what he's trying to say, but I don't think that's the right way to go about things.

Yeah, having feelings doesn't make you a "pussy." You have those feelings, they're not optional - you're human. Suppressing them and raging in a fight isn't really the best way for 99.9% of people to deal with their feelings. You have them, FEEL them. And if you're depressed, that's real, too, and that we have tools and medications to recognize and treat it is NOT a sign of weakness, it's a sign that, in fact, the world IS A BETTER PLACE.

Accordingly, kids tend to leave full time education pretty much incapable of being able to quietly sit down, read a book properly, formulate a proper argument backed up with sources, references etc. They are mentally undisciplined and lazy because they've never been taught how to be anything else.

I don't know where you were a teacher, and I agree this is a problem, but let's talk about the parental role here. My kids all went to public school and they are capable of reading a book properly - in fact, we read to them from day 1 and now they're voracious readers, and they excel in their AP classes.

My kids also have a LOT of screen time. You know what? A gaming headset and a Steam account is the modern "hanging out at the mall." Kids DO hang out and socialize, just not how most of us did. That's not bad, it's just different. We also go camping/hiking, go out as a family, hang out at home as a family. But that's what WE choose to do. My siblings have more "free range" kids. Some of my friends are helicopter parents. To each their own, I'm not saying what I'm doing is right and I'm sure I'm often wrong! (where's that damned Kids Instruction Manual? I swear it was just on the coffee table...)


The world has issues, but The Kids are Alright

 

[WJK]

Why did I have to scroll so far to see this? It's just how people are. There are no bygone glory days. There's nothing to go back to to make your country "great again." People romanticize things all the time, but I had chicken pox and measles growing up but my kids never will. My parents drove cars that were literal deathtraps that could never be sold new today. Poeple at work have the right not to be poisoned/deformed/abused/etc. by their employers. Progress!

I started working at 13 but I specifically do NOT want my kids to do that - besides, they don't need to, they need to be kids. Beating your kids isn't "the good old days" and doesn't make them better adults - and tons of research supports this. This is PROGRESS.

Kids shouldn't be up at 0430 plowing fields then going to school, they need to sleep. They need to play. Why is that period of the industrial revolution the model? Because YOU think it makes people "good" or "better?" I don't and neither does the science.


Yeah, having feelings doesn't make you a "pussy." You have those feelings, they're not optional - you're human. Suppressing them and raging in a fight isn't really the best way for 99.9% of people to deal with their feelings. You have them, FEEL them. And if you're depressed, that's real, too, and that we have tools and medications to recognize and treat it is NOT a sign of weakness, it's a sign that, in fact, the world IS A BETTER PLACE.


I don't know where you were a teacher, and I agree this is a problem, but let's talk about the parental role here. My kids all went to public school and they are capable of reading a book properly - in fact, we read to them from day 1 and now they're voracious readers, and they excel in their AP classes.

My kids also have a LOT of screen time. You know what? A gaming headset and a Steam account is the modern "hanging out at the mall." Kids DO hang out and socialize, just not how most of us did. That's not bad, it's just different. We also go camping/hiking, go out as a family, hang out at home as a family. But that's what WE choose to do. My siblings have more "free range" kids. Some of my friends are helicopter parents. To each their own, I'm not saying what I'm doing is right and I'm sure I'm often wrong! (where's that damned Kids Instruction Manual? I swear it was just on the coffee table...)


The world has issues, but The Kids are Alright

Over my lifetime, I've raised two families. I have 2 sons who are around 50 years old, and then my stepkids who are 24 and 26 years old. All are working, productive people. Yes, all of my kids are "Alright".

 

[Onakosa]

Dude, I wish more parent were like that. That's a great story.

So many people are ALWAYS living in the past, I find it to be very true with people who are 40 and up like my parents. They're always thinking about the "good ol' days", you know what I mean? Most people use it as an escape/crutch, they don't want to deal with reality and they do it by always reminiscing about the past just to make themselves feel good. Like how many 45-55 year old dudes do you see who talk about that MVP high school game that was 30 years ago?

That's definitely one of the things that holds most people back; thinking too much about the past instead of focusing on the now and trying to make it better for you. It's a limiting belief that they're not even aware of.

I'm at an age now where I'm starting to notice it a lot with my peers. There's a huge element of 'rose tinted glasses' too. Sure, there were lots of good things about being young 20 years ago - but there were a lot of crap things too! Personally, I don't want to go back there. Someone cleverer than me once said that thinking about the past makes you sad, and thinking about the future makes you anxious, so you're best off just living in the present. I think that's true.

 

[Velo]

There were plenty of lazy people back in the day as well. You just didn't hear about them as much as you hear about them now since social media is flooded with those types.

People did not "buckle down" and do the grind as they would have you believe. Recreational drugs, smoking w/ their pals, boozing at the bar, slacking off at work, etc. were all common.

 

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[Andreas Thiel]

Yeah, mechanisms that turn everybody into wage slave consumer are one aspect.

Can't really say that having big dreams helps with "being less lazy". Maybe lazyness is not the right word then, I am even not happy with "action faking", but I simply see no on-ramps to executing.
So I think it is mostly a problem of incentives.
Never really saw any options. Seems like there is an in-crowd of high performers and those who could provide an opportunity don't take any chances and they only cater to successful people - unless it is a mass market bs product with built-in obsolescence.

But as you wrote, there are many other aspects that lead to the outcome.

 

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[Mattie]

I'm probably not the best guy to give you guys a perspective on this topic since I was born at the end of 1999 and I'm still quite young, but I see so many guys who are from my generation and up who are just lazy and don't want to accomplish anything. Or do "shit" if that makes sense. But I guess us who are on this forum are the outliers, the 1% right?

I feel like chasing "big" dreams was more of a thing back in the 1960-1990s when social media was not existent AND people wanted to actually make something out of themselves; whether it'll be becoming a celebirty, successful ceo, bodybuilder(that's very popular now though), or just become successful in life. Now you got these young guys who just want to make a cashflow and that's it. Even Andy Frisella said it himself; People who want to build something big today are at a huge advantage because of technology and less competition at the top. There's only a lot of competition at ground 0, but once you go up it starts to dissipate. Or Gary V; who calls it old white man talk: "Ah I used to go school in twelve feet of snow up the hill" etc.

Why is that? Is it a generation thing? I mean my parents were born in 1970s and my dad's dad(my grandpa) and his whole family come from farm/rural parts of Poland, back when Poland was a third world country and was a very poor country. They come from the blue collar type of generation. They loved to get their hands dirty. I see that in my dad still, even if he can pay someone to do something for him(even if he's not the best man for the job), he still wants to do it. Maybe it's arrogance? Or a mix of both? I see it's a common thing with older people.

I'm exactly the opposite; If I know I'm not the best man for the job,I'd happily pay a guy to save my time and acknowledge the dude/girl.

Here are some of my theories on why that is more prevalent than ever:
1. Insane amounts of comfort. It's like that saying; a hungry wolf will do a lot more than the wolf who's fed at the top of the hill. Just think about it: You want some entertainment? You got loads of options for that one with YouTube, Instagram, FB, TikTok, Netflix etc. You want to get a little hump but you're shy? Go on dating sites and pick up girls/guys there. What if you just want to stay at home? Well you got all these porn websites that'll do the work for you. The list goes on and on.

2. School system. This is probably the biggest reason why that is. If we'd want to revolutionize thinking we'd have to start with the youngest generation and teach them STUFF that actually will impact you more than anything like communication, how to sell, how to build a great body(the way your body works and how you think of yourself work synergistically), how to attract the other gender, how to build high income skills that will help you make a lot of money, how to manage your money, compound interest bs and even this 9-5 tradeoff(which MJ explained brilliantly in his books) etc. I doubt this will ever change though, since it doesn't serve the rulers of this world. This whole 9-5 system would collapse. We're told to avoid failure as much as possible, and to never standout which is horrible advice.

3.External influences. We have been suppressed on purpose. I'm reading Dale Carnegie's book right now and there was a quote at the end of the book where it says: "Humans merely use 10% of their true capacity".

Tony Robbins also has a great line: "You're not lazy. You just have small goals! Big goals inspire big action."

Plus this whole concept about money that's so wrong and still exists everywhere like "rich dudes are evil" or "money doesn't make you happy" and all of that. At the same time, it's very hard for someone to believe something when they've never seen it or witnessed it. Let's face it, most people don't know one truly successful person. NOT ONE! But once your mind explores new pathways, you start to build on new beliefs and start thinking to yourself: "Wow, maybe this is possible for me."

It's like experiencing that one life defining event where your life's momentum changes for you. Like it was for MJ when he saw that white Lamborghini Countach back in the 80s and the belief of getting rich young in MJ's mind was exposed.

My grandma(who's a Jehovah's witness by the way) was telling me that stuff when I was younger. I remember one time in particular and I guess it was an event like that for me.

About 2-3 years ago, she brought this witness with her to study the bible with us. Her initial goal was to convince me into becoming a witness like her, she's been a witness for over 50 years. She's 69 or 70 now. I know it was the case since I've been living with her for a couple months since I was broke and she told me I could live with her only if I complied to studying the bible with her once or twice a week, so I agreed. I remember sitting there with this dude in front of me over the table telling me it's better to be a sheep than a lion. He said he'd pick being a sheep over a lion everyday. Or how it's bad to make money since he lost all of it back in the 90s, he lived in Germany and back then you could make a lot of black money very quickly. And I sat there and thought to myself: "I'm a 20 year old guy full of testosterone with huge ambitions and these people are making me feel guilty of wanting to be something more than them. Who tf is this guy? He's 50 years old, drives a shitty Volkswagen and hasn't achieved shit and now he's telling me I should be just like him?". I also remember how they were telling me that their religion is the ONLY right one, out of the 4,000 religions that are out there. I was like their mindset and narcisissm towards life was ambiguous as Hitler's dictatorship back in WW2. Jehovah's witnesses also believe in something called the Armageddon which is when God obliterates demonic enemies and puts peace back to earth. BUT, you have to wait and wait. Go to congregations every Sunday and pray that it's going to happen. DO nothing, BE nothing and it will happen. Oh and they also believe in only dating/marrying Jehovah's witnesses. Girls who are outside our world? NOPE, out.

Long story short, this religion thing is somewhat similar to the compound interest scam. You waste 40-50 years of your life and this new world order still hasn't happened after 50 obedient years. My grandma still believes in it though. I love her but this religion has destroyed her mental acuity and logical reasoning completely. My mom also remembers how she was indoctrinated to this type of thinking when she was 3 years old(she's 46 now). It's manipulation in a way.

This is a long post but I hope you get some value out of it. Don't let these people destroy your dreams.

What do y'all think about this? Is it just a generational thing or has it always been there?

I am Gen X and fortunately, the way I was taught "Success" comes is not exactly "one way" or the "highway", and this is breaking down a lot of myths with Millennial's and Gen X, because they are actually breaking through the conditioning of society and culture from previous generations.

A lot of people think physical hard work is the only way you work. Then you have always had the intelligent people behind the scenes doing a lot of things that is different then just moving around your physical body like a robot doing xyz and being told what to do.

 

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[K1 Lambo]

I have three 'kids' in their mid to late 20s. Back when they were young we made a bold move out of the city into the country and I think it was the best decision for their future. They learnt by playing in the woods, building dens, roving wild, very much as my childhood was in the 70s. They also witnessed, and sometimes helped me with renovating our dilapidated house, building sheds and looking after chickens. Sure, I had trouble prising them off computer games, but the best thing was that where we lived there was no phone reception.

I've just come off a call with my youngest who is currently hiking and wild camping through Spain with is girlfriend. My eldest works very hard and is successfully building a freelance career and bought her first house. My middle child was the laziest, hooked into computer games, but I had a big, 'get off your a$$', talk with him and he went out and got a tough job in demolition and now has his own place.

I don't know why it worked out with them as I saw some of their friends become lazy without any drive to get on. I guess my kids experienced discomfort, camping out, walking miles in the rain and mud, and they discovered that it was fun. Also, we have never had much money despite my best efforts to make various ventures work, so they realised that you have to work for what you want instead of it being handed on a plate.

I hope I don't sound like I'm blowing my own trumpet too much. I never felt I planned it or was a particularly responsible parent, in fact most of the time it felt like barely controlled chaos. lol!

That's great stuff. Most people never experience what it's like to be broke and have no options but to succeed. You sure did a great thing to make them uncomfortable!

 

[Fastlane Liam]

This is one of the reasons why I started my newsletter.

This is copied from my about page and is relevant to what you wrote:



I 100% believe that life’s easy when you live it the hard way and hard if you try to live it the easy way.

Unfortunately, most people in the developed world today shirk from any kind of discomfort.

With each passing year, they get softer and softer. And the softer you get, the weaker you are. The weaker you are, the less self-confidence you have. The less self-confidence you have, the less initiative you have. Eventually your life becomes stagnant. You hate your life but don't know why.

There are many reasons why this is so prevalent today. I would say it's primarily because of the self-centered culture, entitlement mentality, and narcissism, all fueled by social media. Everyone thinks they're the most important person in the world. "Only peasants work hard! I'm so special everything should be given to me!"

There's also very little respect for philosophy and knowledge today. Few people question their beliefs and cultivate self-awareness.

Because of the obsession with youth and beauty and pushing away all that's ugly and old, few people ponder uncomfortable topics that remind them of their mortality and insignificance.

Since most people rarely, if ever, contemplate their own death, they don't feel any urge to act today because they assume they're immortal and that they'll always have time to do things later.

I'm glad to hear that even though you're 22, you don't share these beliefs.

Signed up to your newsletter. Your writing is so eloquent and has been for years of being on here

 

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[Mattie]

What do you mean by success comes is not exactly one way? Could you elaborate on that one?

"Success" is kind of an illusion at face value, since it's really moving through adversity, obstacles, and roadblocks. You can take any social class and they can be "Successful" it just depends on the people around them.

Since where is adversity, obstacles, and roadblocks created? It usually interacting with others and they're point of view of what "Success" means from their perspective, their conditioning, their belief system, what they have been taught to succeed.

Success is really subjective to interpretation. Since if you just take the Manager, the Supervisor, and the Entrepreneur/Boss in any company they have three different points of view on leadership, responsibility, how things are done to complete a task, and they get into arguments and disagreements.

Say you have five managers, five supervisors, and one Boss running the show. The top guy knows how to do everything and can lead them all, makes tougher choices and decisions. The Supervisors might have a certain percent of the knowledge but still growing into that higher knowledge,, wisdom, and insight.

The Managers kind of are what you see at face value the most on the floor and they sometimes get into it, because they do things differently.

Now you have a forum here of all three, and when you ask about how they do things, and how they became successful the road will be different. They didn't all get there the same way. As M.J."s books tell his story, but then if everyone wrote a book in here about their journey it would not be the same.

It would have similarities perhaps. It would have maybe some of the same informational products they've read and courses, but the actual process and journey would never be the exact same journey.

They might be able to compare notes and say this worked or that didn't work, but bottom line, Success doesn't just happen the same way for everyone.

Even the niches, categories, professions, are different. The amount of wealth is different.

As you can point out the financial information books out there, and they will tell you what is crap and what is legit.

Just reading all my life, since I am a life long learner, I know that usually when you read a book, the author is talking about their specific journey, they add whatever they put with the journey, and tell you XYZ and you might find out there is half truths or blatant crap, or truth in those books.

As Success kind of goes with process. Sure you can run around baseball diamond multiple times, but unless you know the game well enough, practice, train, and do everything in your power to become the best baseball player the "Success" is two different things.

You can run around the baseball field and your successful, but then you can be the top baseball player and hit the ball out of the park every single time if that makes sense.

As an Entrepreneur once told me back in 2012, that in sports they sometimes go to places like Africa for runners just because they do it every day because of the adversity in their local area, and they might be the Olympic runner that beats all those at your local track in your neighborhood.

The one in the neighborhood might look like they are the star of the show, but then you put him next to the one from Africa they might get beat and not as successful just because the one has more strength, agility, and better timing because they didn't begin with the sport in the first place. They just did every day carrying stuff long-distance or having to travel by walking or running.

As Bear Bryant new this as well with the Junction Boys. Although, it was controversial at the time, he knew only the one's who could stay in the adversity, obstacles, and roadblocks would get to the end zone. If you quit during half-time, then you didn't make the team.

 

[K1 Lambo]

Stay strong. The most important part is you see things clearly. Sell products to the lazy people.

Love comes from who their soul is. I’m sure you wouldn’t be bothered by your grandma if you got to spend 5 minutes with her a year (not saying that’s a good idea!). But theoretically you’d be so happy to be in her presence and see her as she is and probably wouldn’t have time to get upset by the end of 5 minutes. You’d marvel at her uniqueness and appreciate that. If we’re too exhausted it becomes about beliefs and getting angry.

A family member of mine annoys me so much too and I’m baffled by a lot of their behavior but now I see them once a year and it’s fantastic. The problem is after the time comes where I need to leave I am defiant and want to stay. My problem is growing the self discipline to leave. My problem isn’t how that person acts. I think you are just spending too much time thinking about that.

Idk if you have boundaries already and idk if you’re wanting to solutions or just talk but they can help so much with this sort of thing. Seeing them 30 minutes, 15 minutes, 5 minute phone call, once a year etc. things you can control so that you can pour into them when you see them and also keep your peace. Notice when it’s too much time and say you have to go. If you stay too long then own your own mistake (controllable) instead of getting angry at who they are ( uncontrollable).

I read about someone 10 years sober that sees family on Thanksgiving for dinner only (no appetizers, no dessert) he just has been showing up at dinner and leaves after for 10 years. So many people just go along with social pressures and don’t set boundaries like this person did but families would get along better if we all did this more in various versions maybe not as extreme.

A great book on this subject is Unoffendable by Brant Hansen it’s a Christian perspective

You know who the best the best friends are? The guys/girls you can call after 6 months or a year after not seeing them, and you're still vibing together. The worst friends are the ones who are saying things to you like: "Now you care about me?" or "You haven't called me!". They throw these guilt jabs at you just because you're working on yourself.

But I guess sometimes you just got to let people be. You can't change them. They have to change themselves. They need to have an internal desire for that, you can't teach that. They already have their paradigms and belief systems on how life is supposed to be lived and it's ok.

For sure. It's nice to see them once or twice a year. Spending too much time with that type of thinking is really destructive though!

The part where you talk about setting boundaries is spot on. Most people have no boundaries/values on life. This happens so frequently in relationships, when a guy/girl is not happy with his/her partner but they keep thinking about their equity together. "Oh, she's been with me for 10 years so we must stay together!" or "We don't do what we used to do but we still love each other!". That keeps them stuck, even though deep down they don't love each other. And then the wife starts dressing better and starts working out because she found a better man, she cheats on him and comes back to the same man after a couple months/years. And the man accepts that behavior thinking "Oh she's gonna stay with me now!". I'm like: "Dude, you don't even get it". No wonder people are so unhappy nowadays.

 

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[Deleted73907]

I could play the devil's advocate here and say entrepreneurs are partly to blame for they sell (or try to sell) comfort and distraction to people.
Yes everything is just a click away because it is a profitable business device.

 

[RaviX]

I'm probably not the best guy to give you guys a perspective on this topic since I was born at the end of 1999 and I'm still quite young, but I see so many guys who are from my generation and up who are just lazy and don't want to accomplish anything. Or do "shit" if that makes sense. But I guess us who are on this forum are the outliers, the 1% right?

I feel like chasing "big" dreams was more of a thing back in the 1960-1990s when social media was not existent AND people wanted to actually make something out of themselves; whether it'll be becoming a celebirty, successful ceo, bodybuilder(that's very popular now though), or just become successful in life. Now you got these young guys who just want to make a cashflow and that's it. Even Andy Frisella said it himself; People who want to build something big today are at a huge advantage because of technology and less competition at the top. There's only a lot of competition at ground 0, but once you go up it starts to dissipate. Or Gary V; who calls it old white man talk: "Ah I used to go school in twelve feet of snow up the hill" etc.

Why is that? Is it a generation thing? I mean my parents were born in 1970s and my dad's dad(my grandpa) and his whole family come from farm/rural parts of Poland, back when Poland was a third world country and was a very poor country. They come from the blue collar type of generation. They loved to get their hands dirty. I see that in my dad still, even if he can pay someone to do something for him(even if he's not the best man for the job), he still wants to do it. Maybe it's arrogance? Or a mix of both? I see it's a common thing with older people.

I'm exactly the opposite; If I know I'm not the best man for the job,I'd happily pay a guy to save my time and acknowledge the dude/girl.

Here are some of my theories on why that is more prevalent than ever:
1. Insane amounts of comfort. It's like that saying; a hungry wolf will do a lot more than the wolf who's fed at the top of the hill. Just think about it: You want some entertainment? You got loads of options for that one with YouTube, Instagram, FB, TikTok, Netflix etc. You want to get a little hump but you're shy? Go on dating sites and pick up girls/guys there. What if you just want to stay at home? Well you got all these porn websites that'll do the work for you. The list goes on and on.

2. School system. This is probably the biggest reason why that is. If we'd want to revolutionize thinking we'd have to start with the youngest generation and teach them STUFF that actually will impact you more than anything like communication, how to sell, how to build a great body(the way your body works and how you think of yourself work synergistically), how to attract the other gender, how to build high income skills that will help you make a lot of money, how to manage your money, compound interest bs and even this 9-5 tradeoff(which MJ explained brilliantly in his books) etc. I doubt this will ever change though, since it doesn't serve the rulers of this world. This whole 9-5 system would collapse. We're told to avoid failure as much as possible, and to never standout which is horrible advice.

3.External influences. We have been suppressed on purpose. I'm reading Dale Carnegie's book right now and there was a quote at the end of the book where it says: "Humans merely use 10% of their true capacity".

Tony Robbins also has a great line: "You're not lazy. You just have small goals! Big goals inspire big action."

Plus this whole concept about money that's so wrong and still exists everywhere like "rich dudes are evil" or "money doesn't make you happy" and all of that. At the same time, it's very hard for someone to believe something when they've never seen it or witnessed it. Let's face it, most people don't know one truly successful person. NOT ONE! But once your mind explores new pathways, you start to build on new beliefs and start thinking to yourself: "Wow, maybe this is possible for me."

It's like experiencing that one life defining event where your life's momentum changes for you. Like it was for MJ when he saw that white Lamborghini Countach back in the 80s and the belief of getting rich young in MJ's mind was exposed.

My grandma(who's a Jehovah's witness by the way) was telling me that stuff when I was younger. I remember one time in particular and I guess it was an event like that for me.

About 2-3 years ago, she brought this witness with her to study the bible with us. Her initial goal was to convince me into becoming a witness like her, she's been a witness for over 50 years. She's 69 or 70 now. I know it was the case since I've been living with her for a couple months since I was broke and she told me I could live with her only if I complied to studying the bible with her once or twice a week, so I agreed. I remember sitting there with this dude in front of me over the table telling me it's better to be a sheep than a lion. He said he'd pick being a sheep over a lion everyday. Or how it's bad to make money since he lost all of it back in the 90s, he lived in Germany and back then you could make a lot of black money very quickly. And I sat there and thought to myself: "I'm a 20 year old guy full of testosterone with huge ambitions and these people are making me feel guilty of wanting to be something more than them. Who tf is this guy? He's 50 years old, drives a shitty Volkswagen and hasn't achieved shit and now he's telling me I should be just like him?". I also remember how they were telling me that their religion is the ONLY right one, out of the 4,000 religions that are out there. I was like their mindset and narcisissm towards life was ambiguous as Hitler's dictatorship back in WW2. Jehovah's witnesses also believe in something called the Armageddon which is when God obliterates demonic enemies and puts peace back to earth. BUT, you have to wait and wait. Go to congregations every Sunday and pray that it's going to happen. DO nothing, BE nothing and it will happen. Oh and they also believe in only dating/marrying Jehovah's witnesses. Girls who are outside our world? NOPE, out.

Long story short, this religion thing is somewhat similar to the compound interest scam. You waste 40-50 years of your life and this new world order still hasn't happened after 50 obedient years. My grandma still believes in it though. I love her but this religion has destroyed her mental acuity and logical reasoning completely. My mom also remembers how she was indoctrinated to this type of thinking when she was 3 years old(she's 46 now). It's manipulation in a way.

This is a long post but I hope you get some value out of it. Don't let these people destroy your dreams.

What do y'all think about this? Is it just a generational thing or has it always been there?

Back in the days if our parents/grandparents would not work hard and set goals/save money, they would probably be on the streets, hungry, and may not survive. Today, this is not the case. One can do the bare minimum and have shelter, food, and even entertainment. Which I do not think is necessary a bad thing either. People are living better lives by doing less, which I do not have a problem with unless it is interfering with society as a whole which at times it does. Laziness is a unfortunate by product of progression. Why work hard when you do not have too?

 

[Kevin88660]

I'm probably not the best guy to give you guys a perspective on this topic since I was born at the end of 1999 and I'm still quite young, but I see so many guys who are from my generation and up who are just lazy and don't want to accomplish anything. Or do "shit" if that makes sense. But I guess us who are on this forum are the outliers, the 1% right?

I feel like chasing "big" dreams was more of a thing back in the 1960-1990s when social media was not existent AND people wanted to actually make something out of themselves; whether it'll be becoming a celebirty, successful ceo, bodybuilder(that's very popular now though), or just become successful in life. Now you got these young guys who just want to make a cashflow and that's it. Even Andy Frisella said it himself; People who want to build something big today are at a huge advantage because of technology and less competition at the top. There's only a lot of competition at ground 0, but once you go up it starts to dissipate. Or Gary V; who calls it old white man talk: "Ah I used to go school in twelve feet of snow up the hill" etc.

Why is that? Is it a generation thing? I mean my parents were born in 1970s and my dad's dad(my grandpa) and his whole family come from farm/rural parts of Poland, back when Poland was a third world country and was a very poor country. They come from the blue collar type of generation. They loved to get their hands dirty. I see that in my dad still, even if he can pay someone to do something for him(even if he's not the best man for the job), he still wants to do it. Maybe it's arrogance? Or a mix of both? I see it's a common thing with older people.

I'm exactly the opposite; If I know I'm not the best man for the job,I'd happily pay a guy to save my time and acknowledge the dude/girl.

Here are some of my theories on why that is more prevalent than ever:
1. Insane amounts of comfort. It's like that saying; a hungry wolf will do a lot more than the wolf who's fed at the top of the hill. Just think about it: You want some entertainment? You got loads of options for that one with YouTube, Instagram, FB, TikTok, Netflix etc. You want to get a little hump but you're shy? Go on dating sites and pick up girls/guys there. What if you just want to stay at home? Well you got all these porn websites that'll do the work for you. The list goes on and on.

2. School system. This is probably the biggest reason why that is. If we'd want to revolutionize thinking we'd have to start with the youngest generation and teach them STUFF that actually will impact you more than anything like communication, how to sell, how to build a great body(the way your body works and how you think of yourself work synergistically), how to attract the other gender, how to build high income skills that will help you make a lot of money, how to manage your money, compound interest bs and even this 9-5 tradeoff(which MJ explained brilliantly in his books) etc. I doubt this will ever change though, since it doesn't serve the rulers of this world. This whole 9-5 system would collapse. We're told to avoid failure as much as possible, and to never standout which is horrible advice.

3.External influences. We have been suppressed on purpose. I'm reading Dale Carnegie's book right now and there was a quote at the end of the book where it says: "Humans merely use 10% of their true capacity".

Tony Robbins also has a great line: "You're not lazy. You just have small goals! Big goals inspire big action."

Plus this whole concept about money that's so wrong and still exists everywhere like "rich dudes are evil" or "money doesn't make you happy" and all of that. At the same time, it's very hard for someone to believe something when they've never seen it or witnessed it. Let's face it, most people don't know one truly successful person. NOT ONE! But once your mind explores new pathways, you start to build on new beliefs and start thinking to yourself: "Wow, maybe this is possible for me."

It's like experiencing that one life defining event where your life's momentum changes for you. Like it was for MJ when he saw that white Lamborghini Countach back in the 80s and the belief of getting rich young in MJ's mind was exposed.

My grandma(who's a Jehovah's witness by the way) was telling me that stuff when I was younger. I remember one time in particular and I guess it was an event like that for me.

About 2-3 years ago, she brought this witness with her to study the bible with us. Her initial goal was to convince me into becoming a witness like her, she's been a witness for over 50 years. She's 69 or 70 now. I know it was the case since I've been living with her for a couple months since I was broke and she told me I could live with her only if I complied to studying the bible with her once or twice a week, so I agreed. I remember sitting there with this dude in front of me over the table telling me it's better to be a sheep than a lion. He said he'd pick being a sheep over a lion everyday. Or how it's bad to make money since he lost all of it back in the 90s, he lived in Germany and back then you could make a lot of black money very quickly. And I sat there and thought to myself: "I'm a 20 year old guy full of testosterone with huge ambitions and these people are making me feel guilty of wanting to be something more than them. Who tf is this guy? He's 50 years old, drives a shitty Volkswagen and hasn't achieved shit and now he's telling me I should be just like him?". I also remember how they were telling me that their religion is the ONLY right one, out of the 4,000 religions that are out there. I was like their mindset and narcisissm towards life was ambiguous as Hitler's dictatorship back in WW2. Jehovah's witnesses also believe in something called the Armageddon which is when God obliterates demonic enemies and puts peace back to earth. BUT, you have to wait and wait. Go to congregations every Sunday and pray that it's going to happen. DO nothing, BE nothing and it will happen. Oh and they also believe in only dating/marrying Jehovah's witnesses. Girls who are outside our world? NOPE, out.

Long story short, this religion thing is somewhat similar to the compound interest scam. You waste 40-50 years of your life and this new world order still hasn't happened after 50 obedient years. My grandma still believes in it though. I love her but this religion has destroyed her mental acuity and logical reasoning completely. My mom also remembers how she was indoctrinated to this type of thinking when she was 3 years old(she's 46 now). It's manipulation in a way.

This is a long post but I hope you get some value out of it. Don't let these people destroy your dreams.

What do y'all think about this? Is it just a generational thing or has it always been there?

In the past people just follow the momentum. And there is reward following the momentum, basically doing what everyone else is doing.

Now people get exposed to more ideas, and question things more. And broadly speaking the reward for following the consensus has dropped a lot. Going to college and gets a job does not pay off that well.

I still 2014-2015 there was a rush into business and start-up among the general population. Surely there are a lot of hustlers back then. As most business do not make it the passion died out.

 

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[Dr_Kdub28]

I'm probably not the best guy to give you guys a perspective on this topic since I was born at the end of 1999 and I'm still quite young, but I see so many guys who are from my generation and up who are just lazy and don't want to accomplish anything. Or do "shit" if that makes sense. But I guess us who are on this forum are the outliers, the 1% right?

I feel like chasing "big" dreams was more of a thing back in the 1960-1990s when social media was not existent AND people wanted to actually make something out of themselves; whether it'll be becoming a celebirty, successful ceo, bodybuilder(that's very popular now though), or just become successful in life. Now you got these young guys who just want to make a cashflow and that's it. Even Andy Frisella said it himself; People who want to build something big today are at a huge advantage because of technology and less competition at the top. There's only a lot of competition at ground 0, but once you go up it starts to dissipate. Or Gary V; who calls it old white man talk: "Ah I used to go school in twelve feet of snow up the hill" etc.

Why is that? Is it a generation thing? I mean my parents were born in 1970s and my dad's dad(my grandpa) and his whole family come from farm/rural parts of Poland, back when Poland was a third world country and was a very poor country. They come from the blue collar type of generation. They loved to get their hands dirty. I see that in my dad still, even if he can pay someone to do something for him(even if he's not the best man for the job), he still wants to do it. Maybe it's arrogance? Or a mix of both? I see it's a common thing with older people.

I'm exactly the opposite; If I know I'm not the best man for the job,I'd happily pay a guy to save my time and acknowledge the dude/girl.

Here are some of my theories on why that is more prevalent than ever:
1. Insane amounts of comfort. It's like that saying; a hungry wolf will do a lot more than the wolf who's fed at the top of the hill. Just think about it: You want some entertainment? You got loads of options for that one with YouTube, Instagram, FB, TikTok, Netflix etc. You want to get a little hump but you're shy? Go on dating sites and pick up girls/guys there. What if you just want to stay at home? Well you got all these porn websites that'll do the work for you. The list goes on and on.

2. School system. This is probably the biggest reason why that is. If we'd want to revolutionize thinking we'd have to start with the youngest generation and teach them STUFF that actually will impact you more than anything like communication, how to sell, how to build a great body(the way your body works and how you think of yourself work synergistically), how to attract the other gender, how to build high income skills that will help you make a lot of money, how to manage your money, compound interest bs and even this 9-5 tradeoff(which MJ explained brilliantly in his books) etc. I doubt this will ever change though, since it doesn't serve the rulers of this world. This whole 9-5 system would collapse. We're told to avoid failure as much as possible, and to never standout which is horrible advice.

3.External influences. We have been suppressed on purpose. I'm reading Dale Carnegie's book right now and there was a quote at the end of the book where it says: "Humans merely use 10% of their true capacity".

Tony Robbins also has a great line: "You're not lazy. You just have small goals! Big goals inspire big action."

Plus this whole concept about money that's so wrong and still exists everywhere like "rich dudes are evil" or "money doesn't make you happy" and all of that. At the same time, it's very hard for someone to believe something when they've never seen it or witnessed it. Let's face it, most people don't know one truly successful person. NOT ONE! But once your mind explores new pathways, you start to build on new beliefs and start thinking to yourself: "Wow, maybe this is possible for me."

It's like experiencing that one life defining event where your life's momentum changes for you. Like it was for MJ when he saw that white Lamborghini Countach back in the 80s and the belief of getting rich young in MJ's mind was exposed.

My grandma(who's a Jehovah's witness by the way) was telling me that stuff when I was younger. I remember one time in particular and I guess it was an event like that for me.

About 2-3 years ago, she brought this witness with her to study the bible with us. Her initial goal was to convince me into becoming a witness like her, she's been a witness for over 50 years. She's 69 or 70 now. I know it was the case since I've been living with her for a couple months since I was broke and she told me I could live with her only if I complied to studying the bible with her once or twice a week, so I agreed. I remember sitting there with this dude in front of me over the table telling me it's better to be a sheep than a lion. He said he'd pick being a sheep over a lion everyday. Or how it's bad to make money since he lost all of it back in the 90s, he lived in Germany and back then you could make a lot of black money very quickly. And I sat there and thought to myself: "I'm a 20 year old guy full of testosterone with huge ambitions and these people are making me feel guilty of wanting to be something more than them. Who tf is this guy? He's 50 years old, drives a shitty Volkswagen and hasn't achieved shit and now he's telling me I should be just like him?". I also remember how they were telling me that their religion is the ONLY right one, out of the 4,000 religions that are out there. I was like their mindset and narcisissm towards life was ambiguous as Hitler's dictatorship back in WW2. Jehovah's witnesses also believe in something called the Armageddon which is when God obliterates demonic enemies and puts peace back to earth. BUT, you have to wait and wait. Go to congregations every Sunday and pray that it's going to happen. DO nothing, BE nothing and it will happen. Oh and they also believe in only dating/marrying Jehovah's witnesses. Girls who are outside our world? NOPE, out.

Long story short, this religion thing is somewhat similar to the compound interest scam. You waste 40-50 years of your life and this new world order still hasn't happened after 50 obedient years. My grandma still believes in it though. I love her but this religion has destroyed her mental acuity and logical reasoning completely. My mom also remembers how she was indoctrinated to this type of thinking when she was 3 years old(she's 46 now). It's manipulation in a way.

This is a long post but I hope you get some value out of it. Don't let these people destroy your dreams.

What do y'all think about this? Is it just a generational thing or has it always been there?

This is a great topic. I've experienced both sides growing up in the 90s and early 2000s. It's hard to pinpoint the exact moment you become lazy, but there are a number of events that compound. As a kid, I did all the things you were supposed to do (playing outside, sports, making friends etc.) But when certain tools got introduced into my life, I became more lazy, entitled, and reclusive.

Al the video games, porn, television, food. All these enablers and comforts slowly eroded my sense of a reward system. However those comforts are not to blame. I still made a choice to engage in those acts. That's what I believe is the main problem. It's flawed conditioning. Many of us who grew up during this time had no sense of delayed gratification. When we didn't get our way, we'd complain. Since society enables victims and you can reward yourself through escapism(porn/video games/food), it makes sense why we have such a warped sense of entitlement. I personally wasted all of my 20s in this flawed mindset.

Even when you become aware of the behavior, it's still tough to correct. I have to catch myself sometimes and ask "Am I being a brat right now?" "Is this how successful people behave?" Now when I don't get my way, more time than not, I can reframe a failure into a learning experience.

Like some have said, I think this issue is more pervasive in men.

 

[Dionysos]

It's definitely a generation thing. Though there are exceptions like a lot of people on this forum.

Comfort, social media, gaming, porn etc. are crippling ppl.

I guess considering so much ppl are lazy or have no work ethic/discipline it should be way easier to excel in anything!

 

[Joey Murray]

I feel like chasing "big" dreams was more of a thing back in the 1960-1990s when social media was not existent AND people wanted to actually make something out of themselves; whether it'll be becoming a celebirty, successful ceo, bodybuilder(that's very popular now though), or just become successful in life. Now you got these young guys who just want to make a cashflow and that's it.

But also think you are seeing what happens when there is a growing disillusionment with the idea of the American Dream/Slowlane but you don't put anything constructive in its place. Imagine reading a book like the Fastlane but it's just the first half telling you that the sidewalk and slowlane are bullshit but then it offers no solutions. That's how a lot of younger people feel. None of this shit matters because "the American Dream is dead" so why bother? The void is then filled with apathy and atrophy and then you have what you have.

 

[DonnyDinero]

I'm a Gen Z. I say good, less competition.

 

[K1 Lambo]

Why did I have to scroll so far to see this? It's just how people are. There are no bygone glory days. There's nothing to go back to to make your country "great again." People romanticize things all the time, but I had chicken pox and measles growing up but my kids never will. My parents drove cars that were literal deathtraps that could never be sold new today. Poeple at work have the right not to be poisoned/deformed/abused/etc. by their employers. Progress!

I started working at 13 but I specifically do NOT want my kids to do that - besides, they don't need to, they need to be kids. Beating your kids isn't "the good old days" and doesn't make them better adults - and tons of research supports this. This is PROGRESS.

Kids shouldn't be up at 0430 plowing fields then going to school, they need to sleep. They need to play. Why is that period of the industrial revolution the model? Because YOU think it makes people "good" or "better?" I don't and neither does the science.


Yeah, having feelings doesn't make you a "pussy." You have those feelings, they're not optional - you're human. Suppressing them and raging in a fight isn't really the best way for 99.9% of people to deal with their feelings. You have them, FEEL them. And if you're depressed, that's real, too, and that we have tools and medications to recognize and treat it is NOT a sign of weakness, it's a sign that, in fact, the world IS A BETTER PLACE.


I don't know where you were a teacher, and I agree this is a problem, but let's talk about the parental role here. My kids all went to public school and they are capable of reading a book properly - in fact, we read to them from day 1 and now they're voracious readers, and they excel in their AP classes.

My kids also have a LOT of screen time. You know what? A gaming headset and a Steam account is the modern "hanging out at the mall." Kids DO hang out and socialize, just not how most of us did. That's not bad, it's just different. We also go camping/hiking, go out as a family, hang out at home as a family. But that's what WE choose to do. My siblings have more "free range" kids. Some of my friends are helicopter parents. To each their own, I'm not saying what I'm doing is right and I'm sure I'm often wrong! (where's that damned Kids Instruction Manual? I swear it was just on the coffee table...)


The world has issues, but The Kids are Alright

Dude, I wish more parent were like that. That's a great story.

So many people are ALWAYS living in the past, I find it to be very true with people who are 40 and up like my parents. They're always thinking about the "good ol' days", you know what I mean? Most people use it as an escape/crutch, they don't want to deal with reality and they do it by always reminiscing about the past just to make themselves feel good. Like how many 45-55 year old dudes do you see who talk about that MVP high school game that was 30 years ago?

That's definitely one of the things that holds most people back; thinking too much about the past instead of focusing on the now and trying to make it better for you. It's a limiting belief that they're not even aware of.

 

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[Onakosa]

Why did I have to scroll so far to see this? It's just how people are. There are no bygone glory days. There's nothing to go back to to make your country "great again." People romanticize things all the time, but I had chicken pox and measles growing up but my kids never will. My parents drove cars that were literal deathtraps that could never be sold new today. Poeple at work have the right not to be poisoned/deformed/abused/etc. by their employers. Progress!

I started working at 13 but I specifically do NOT want my kids to do that - besides, they don't need to, they need to be kids. Beating your kids isn't "the good old days" and doesn't make them better adults - and tons of research supports this. This is PROGRESS.

Kids shouldn't be up at 0430 plowing fields then going to school, they need to sleep. They need to play. Why is that period of the industrial revolution the model? Because YOU think it makes people "good" or "better?" I don't and neither does the science.


Yeah, having feelings doesn't make you a "pussy." You have those feelings, they're not optional - you're human. Suppressing them and raging in a fight isn't really the best way for 99.9% of people to deal with their feelings. You have them, FEEL them. And if you're depressed, that's real, too, and that we have tools and medications to recognize and treat it is NOT a sign of weakness, it's a sign that, in fact, the world IS A BETTER PLACE.


I don't know where you were a teacher, and I agree this is a problem, but let's talk about the parental role here. My kids all went to public school and they are capable of reading a book properly - in fact, we read to them from day 1 and now they're voracious readers, and they excel in their AP classes.

My kids also have a LOT of screen time. You know what? A gaming headset and a Steam account is the modern "hanging out at the mall." Kids DO hang out and socialize, just not how most of us did. That's not bad, it's just different. We also go camping/hiking, go out as a family, hang out at home as a family. But that's what WE choose to do. My siblings have more "free range" kids. Some of my friends are helicopter parents. To each their own, I'm not saying what I'm doing is right and I'm sure I'm often wrong! (where's that damned Kids Instruction Manual? I swear it was just on the coffee table...)


The world has issues, but The Kids are Alright

I was a teacher here in England, and yes, I agree 'The Kids are Alright'. Just to reiterate, I'm not having a dig at any one group. I wasn't saying that young people don't read, don't enjoy it, or that screens are bad - my 2 are welded to them (just like their mother!) My point was a wider one; the way we teach has changed for all sorts of reasons. The total focus for most schools and colleges is exam passes. The average 21 year old today will have spent 16 years being stuffed full of arbitrary information which they then regurgitate each June and forget about, before moving onto the next cycle of arbitrary info. Are we then surprised that they emerge a bit shellshocked and apparently - note the word, please! - lacking in get up and go?

 

[K1 Lambo]

It may not be your fault, but it is your responsibility.

You can spend your entire life trying to dissect why people are the way they are... or you could invest your life in being who you want to be.

If I can be so bold, stop worrying about why "everybody else" is messed up and become a shining example of inspiration and possibility!

Spot on. It is 100% your responsibility. How many times do you see 50 year old dudes who still talk about that MVP thing they won in 10th grade .

 

[K1 Lambo]

I honestly feel sorry for the kids growing up today. Life as a kid in the 90's and 00's was the bomb.

Almost no devices. We spent all day being outside. Playing football (soccer), climbing trees and inventing all sort of weird games.

Internet was so expensive for us. So when opening a website, my dad instantly printed the whole website for me and then went offline immediately. Same with music. There was no YouTube. So we had to record all our favorite songs from MTV to our VHS players in order to view it again.

The abundance today makes us all lazy. While it is convenient to have access to whatever you need within a couple of minutes - it is very boring. You don't have to 'fight' for anything longer. Everything is served to you on a silver platter.

So glad I grew up without internet, devices and social media. Sad that today's kids will never know how awesome childhood was back then.

Oh yeah, mom used to record TV shows on that VHS tape back in the early 2000s!

 

[peddletothemetal]

It's just necessity. Most people won't do things unless they have to.

 

[starttoday123]

They're trapped in this invisible box that they're not even acutely aware of because of their limited beliefs.

Stay strong. The most important part is you see things clearly. Sell products to the lazy people.

Love comes from who their soul is. I’m sure you wouldn’t be bothered by your grandma if you got to spend 5 minutes with her a year (not saying that’s a good idea!). But theoretically you’d be so happy to be in her presence and see her as she is and probably wouldn’t have time to get upset by the end of 5 minutes. You’d marvel at her uniqueness and appreciate that. If we’re too exhausted it becomes about beliefs and getting angry.

A family member of mine annoys me so much too and I’m baffled by a lot of their behavior but now I see them once a year and it’s fantastic. The problem is after the time comes where I need to leave I am defiant and want to stay. My problem is growing the self discipline to leave. My problem isn’t how that person acts. I think you are just spending too much time thinking about that.

Idk if you have boundaries already and idk if you’re wanting to solutions or just talk but they can help so much with this sort of thing. Seeing them 30 minutes, 15 minutes, 5 minute phone call, once a year etc. things you can control so that you can pour into them when you see them and also keep your peace. Notice when it’s too much time and say you have to go. If you stay too long then own your own mistake (controllable) instead of getting angry at who they are ( uncontrollable).

I read about someone 10 years sober that sees family on Thanksgiving for dinner only (no appetizers, no dessert) he just has been showing up at dinner and leaves after for 10 years. So many people just go along with social pressures and don’t set boundaries like this person did but families would get along better if we all did this more in various versions maybe not as extreme.

A great book on this subject is Unoffendable by Brant Hansen it’s a Christian perspective

 

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I heard somewhere that the food that we eat today is full of pesticides and is not as healthy as what it used to be, which is the reason why men have 50% less testosterone now than what they had back in 1960 or 1970.

I'm inclined to believe this. I have never saw, met, or interacted with so many men who act like women in my life before. Where are all the manly men at? I live in a big city and see so many men who dress, walk, talk, and have mannerisms that mimic women. I don't understand.

They need to put that testosterone back for these "men".