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They are selling you a dream.
Ummm you're saying this as if it was wrong to sell a dream. The tragedy in this world is that most people don't have ANY dreams. And those that do, don't believe their dreams are possible. Selling a dream is KEY to helping people get results. If they don't believe they can do it, then they'll struggle to work for it, and nothing will come of it.

Most people need to dream bigger. That's the first stepping stone into a bigger life.
 
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Ummm you're saying this as if it was wrong to sell a dream. The tragedy in this world is that most people don't have ANY dreams. And those that do, don't believe their dreams are possible. Selling a dream is KEY to helping people get results. If they don't believe they can do it, then they'll struggle to work for it, and nothing will come of it.

Most people need to dream bigger. That's the first stepping stone into a bigger life.
Not only that I agree with what you've said, but I think that having a dream and keeping it alive is more important than what your current reality looks like.

How can you change your reality if you don't have a dream, a better vision for the future?


But that was not my point.

Here is the full context of what I've said:
They are selling you a dream. A fake promise. A scam.
  • Inspiring people and helping them see a brighter future = right.
  • Putting on a suit, dancing in front of a Ferrari, lying and misleading people = wrong.

And the people from the guru industry know exactly what they are doing. They are preying on the weak, vulnerable, gullible, desperate, inexperienced young audience.

Not exactly the kind of business to be proud of.
 

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I’ve met many wealthy, $1M+ net worth folks whose entire business model is based off a course. Better to come out of the cave sometimes…

If you’re talking Bill Gates level success, even if some made a big break because of a course, they wouldn’t say it because of optics in most cases.

This is my truth. I don’t know Warren Buffett. I’m sure he doesn’t attribute his success to a Carnige Course. That’s not even related to value investing. I was under the impression that his big recommendation was The Intellegent Investor by Benjamin Graham.

But I guess I stand corrected that the second greatest investor in human history to Nancy Pelosi got there with a How To Win Friends and Influence People course.

I have never, in my life, had a wealthy person recommend a course, program or seminar, unless they were the one selling it.

Explain to me how you aren’t biased? You sell courses.
 

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Explain to me how you aren’t biased? You sell courses.
Yes, I am biased. But guess what, everyone is biased, yourself included. That's the nature of being human. It's just because we try to one-up each other that we pretend that we're not biased and only the other is.

This is my truth. I don’t know Warren Buffett. I’m sure he doesn’t attribute his success to a Carnige Course. That’s not even related to value investing. I was under the impression that his big recommendation was The Intellegent Investor by Benjamin Graham.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNXRs0a0Yes&ab_channel=DaleCarnegie-CapeProvinces


He saw an ad in the paper, took the course, and is happy he did, paying the equivalent of $1,000 in today's money for it. Is it responsible for his success? Who can say? It's too complex for a simple attribution like that. Maybe you took a course 7 years ago, and today you found in there an idea that began your journey to a $1M/yr biz.
 
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If you want a few names, here they are:

Taki Moore - produced possibly 100s of million-dollar coaches.

Sam Ovens - produced possibly 100s of million-dollar businesses.

Just an example... I can bet that my competitor Josh Nelson who runs 7 Figure Agency is a Taki Moore student -- because the diagrams he uses are Taki-style diagrams. These people bought the course, repackaged it to a different industry, and boom - millionaire!

Guy I worked for -- bought Sam Ovens' course, used it to start a lead gen business in a specific industry. Million-dollar producer.

So you're saying that courses don't help. That's utter drivel. If they didn't, they wouldn't have minted millionaires.

But courses aren't going to work if you don't work. And if you give up at the first obstacle. And if you don't persevere.

Back when I first sold 5 Steps on Fastlane, some big hitter e-commerce guy was laughing "what 7-figure ecom business did you build hehe?" - I ignored him, but I should've said "NONE retard. I just worked to scale ecom companies to 7-figures!"

And now, there are multiple students some on video, others in writing as eTox whom I mentioned before who used the model I shared with them + their own hard work and inventiveness to scale to 7-figures. LO AND BEHOLD!

But most people still won't believe it. Uhh $349 for a course, I can find it all on YouTube!! Then go find it on YouTube and stay poor.
 

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Yes, I am biased. But guess what, everyone is biased, yourself included.
Factual observations can’t be biased. You’re calling me a liar. Why would I lie about this? Do you think I’m saving all the good courses for myself?
 

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Factual observations can’t be biased. You’re calling me a liar. Why would I lie about this? Do you think I’m saving all the good courses for myself?
You seem to have stepped into a hornets nest here. I didn’t realize how many people were monetizing other people on the forum. That’s a new thing since I’ve been gone.

The original posters here used to make fun of people that were selling the Lamborghini dream for 99 bucks a month.
 
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Damn Buffet got scammed with that $1k speaking course.

Poor fella has been thinking for 60+ years that the skills you can pick up from a course can be useful.


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In all seriousness, courses are just another form of information.

If you have a problem with courses, but not books, podcasts, forum posts etc - then that doesn't add up.
Either information is valuable or it isn't. Going after the medium makes no sense.

Plus the video course format is the best approach for some topics. Good luck trying to learn any of the following from a book: video editing, new design tools, audio skills, social media platforms that change by the day, sales tonality.

When done right a video course can show + tell = a lot more effective for teaching.

Here is a good take on courses from Alex Hormozi...


He puts courses right where they should be - valuable, but not some life saving purchase that does all the work for you.

To put this in action, I have applied for a $4,000 course (well cohort) from Paddy Galloway.

Who is that? The #1 Youtube strategist guy who has worked with Mr Beast, RedBull and many top creators.

He has been a big part of them getting millions of views a day on organic content.

So... is this a scam or a waste of money? Obviously not, but it wouldn't be worth it for many people to take this.
They just aren't going to get a ROI and they would have been better off just applying some free content first.

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If people can't see that yes some courses are bad, but also some other courses can be good - then that is only on them. It would take a very strong bias to ignore 1000s of solid course creators making valuable affordable content.

And the same logic applies to all the "guru" products... let's say a mastermind.

Would a 20k a year country club membership be a scam?
No, for a lot of people it makes sense.

Then apply that same same logic to an online (or in person) mastermind for entrepreneurs.
Or are people only allowed to network and make connections if they are playing golf?

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Once again... the problem is shady people, not courses.

Scam artists also exist in property, finance, health, e-commerce, shipping, politics and every other industry out there.

But I will admit courses and masterminds etc do attract quite a few of them ha.

Anyway it not like this topic hasn't been covered before and the same points made.
You make an amazing point, Rob. Great post.
 

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I want to throw a wrench into some of this.

How many of us, knowing these were "gurus" still bought a course though?

:: raises hand ::

How many of us will continue to buy courses from them ( not the same guru, but future ones maybe )?

:: raises hand ::

I want to preface, I'm a different kind of person. Shame me all you want, but this is how I learn below ( generally in this same order too ):

1. Jump in headfirst on my own, no experience
2. Learn through "hard knocks" university
3. Read top 3 books on the subject once I jumped in and took action
4. Listen to several podcasts on subject
5. Watch some youtube videos on the subject
6. Continue to jump in and take action on my own again
7. Buy guru course and maybe learn a little more

But I have the money earmarked to learn also. Like a casino bet, I'm only purchasing a course with the money I have to lose. But I don't feel I will lose it even if I buy a bad course.

Why?

Many times I bought access to the owner, the guru.

You might think it's worthless to spend money to buy a course from Tai Lopez and for the most part if all you do is buy the course and watch it, I would agree with you.

But I've been able to buy a course, learn nothing, and then reach out to the owner of the course directly THROUGH that monetary exchange/first step relationship and use that reach out to find more entrepreneurs and deals then.

I'll give a real-life example, but I will change the names as I don't want anyone who doesn't want to be talked about angry at me.

1. Signed up for GURU X course, and paid money. Learned very little. Expected this
2. Reached out to GURU X, as planned. Asked if I could interview on ABC topic, but really this ABC topic was questions I personally wanted to know answers to. Used the fact I was a customer of their GURU X course. Maybe had to jump through some email hoops, but reached them finally.
3. Got all the info I wanted and needed. Info that was not in the course. Worth the price I paid for course to be able to do this, most times. Never posted the interview on YouTube, but I could and use that as "eyeballs" to my brand even more.
4. During the interview, found out GURU X was doing an in-person event with a few high-level entrepreneurs. Was able to get a free seat by simply asking if I could help film the event for them. Not sure I could have gotten this without the reach-out and interview or from buying the course prior, which got me all this.
5. Attended the event months later. Met several entrepreneurs that I would have never easily met on my own potentially. Exchanged info with them, and even struck up some deals. Sent the video/audio to fivver to be edited and handed off to GURU X.
6. Closed 2 big deals from this. Started a new venture with another. Expanded my rolodex with 20+ new high-level entrepreneurs who several had agreed for me to "interview" as well ( and I did ). Time to rinse and repeat and get everything I really want to know answered.

I just look for opportunities and try to get the most I can from them. Even if buying a guru course.

I'm not saying that these courses are typically NOT horrible. I know many of them are.

But I don't let the ability to get more out of the GURU simply slip past me. I paid money, I expect value. I find ways to extract more value most times if I can.
 
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Ask yourself who pays for that level of course.

Then ask yourself who pays to go to the next level that that course is selling.

You know, some of them sell an even bigger package after that.

Now ask yourself if you want to be in a room with people who can pay that kind of elite price to improve themselves.

What could you do if you had that kind of opportunity in front of you? :bulb:

If you don't have a good answer, then keep your money in your pocket.

But maybe you should be...

THINKING BIGGER. :rofl:

I want to throw a wrench into some of this.

How many of us, knowing these were "gurus" still bought a course though?

:: raises hand ::

How many of us will continue to buy courses from them ( not the same guru, but future ones maybe )?

:: raises hand ::

I want to preface, I'm a different kind of person. Shame me all you want, but this is how I learn below:

1. Jump in headfirst on my own, no experience
2. Learn through "hard knocks" university
3. Read top 3 books on the subject once I jumped in and took action
4. Listen to several podcasts on subject
5. Watch some youtube videos on the subject
6. Continue to jump in and take action on my own again
7. Buy guru course and maybe learn a little more

But I have the money earmarked to learn also. Like a casino bet, I'm only purchasing a course with the money I have to lose. But I don't feel I will lose it even if I buy a bad course.

Why?

Many times I bought access to the owner, the guru.

You might think it's worthless to spend money to buy a course from Tai Lopez and for the most part if all you do is buy the course and watch it, I would agree with you.

But I've been able to buy a course, learn nothing, and then reach out to the owner of the course directly THROUGH that monetary exchange/first step relationship and use that reach out to find more entrepreneurs and deals then.

I'll give a real-life example, but I will change the names as I don't want anyone who doesn't want to be talked angry at me.

1. Signed up for GURU X course, and paid money. Learned very little. Expected this
2. Reached out to GURU X, as planned. Asked if I could interview on ABC topic, but really this ABC topic was questions I personally wanted to know answers to. Used the fact I was a customer of their GURU X course. Maybe had to jump through some email hoops, but reached them finally.
3. Got all the info I wanted and needed. Info that was not in the course. Worth the price I paid for course to be able to do this, most times. Never posted the interview on YouTube, but I could and use that as "eyeballs" to my brand even more.
4. During the interview, found out GURU X was doing an in-person event with a few high-level entrepreneurs. Was able to get a free seat by simply asking if I could help film the event for them. Not sure I could have gotten this without the reach-out and interview or from buying the course prior, which got me all this.
5. Attended the event months later. Met several entrepreneurs that I would have never easily met on my own potentially. Exchanged info with them, and even struck up some deals. Sent the video/audio to fivver to be edited and handed off to GURU X.
6. Closed 2 big deals from this. Started a new venture with another. Expanded my rolodex with 20+ new high-level entrepreneurs who several had agreed for me to "interview" as well ( and I did ). Time to rinse and repeat and get everything I really want to know answered.

I just look for opportunities and try to get the most I can from them. Even if buying a guru course.

I'm not saying that these courses are typically NOT horrible. I know many of them are.

But I don't let the ability to get more out of the GURU simply slip past me. I paid money, I expect value. I find ways to extract more value most times if I can.

Now THAT'S what I'm talk about!

That's thinking bigger. That's that entrepreneur brain that will not be stopped finding better ways to make opportunities happen.

And you even found a way to get in the room for "free". (You had to deliver a service, it wasn't free, but you didn't have to pay for the ticket is my point.)

Thanks for illustrating in real world terms what's possible. I've never done a move like this so I didn't have a practical example and could only talk in hypothetical.

Where's the value bomb emoji when I need it? lol.
 
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You had to deliver a service, it wasn't free, but you didn't have to pay for the ticket is my point

Yes, I did... but I planned it to be very "easy and simple". The service was almost non-existent really.

I take my iPhone everywhere. I have a 2nd iPhone as well, used just for recording video. I also have a GoPro.

I just took all 3 and put them on tripods. Very small and lightweight. I kept all 3 plugged into the wall outlet so they wouldn't run out of battery.

I also have a wireless mic and just fed that into 1 of the iPhones.

I literally did nothing else all day but sit down and then during breaks and after party, make connections and mingle and try to get into more social circles.

I took footage from all 3 units and sent it to a person I know on Fivver and had them edit it. Sure I paid some money for this, but it was rather cheap in the grand scheme of things.

Course + Fivver fee is all the money sunk into it. I've made multiples back in return though.

The course you buy can be more than a course. But you will need to put some action into it.

Also, Im not saying this will work for everyone. Obviously you don't wanna buy a course from some no-name person that can't get you value if you did secure an interview or event attendance.
 

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But I've been able to buy a course, learn nothing, and then reach out to the owner of the course directly THROUGH that monetary exchange/first step relationship and use that reach out to find more entrepreneurs and deals then.
Can affirm, this works.

I put one of my new information products in front of someone massive after buying their product and it actually worked to get them interested, if it goes through it could be the biggest deal of my life up to this point.

I actually got a massive amount of value from the course too, and offered to use what I learned from them specifically (with a few other leverage points) in order to make what I was offering 10X better.

Become an expert on people, buy their stuff because you GENUINELY like them, what they do, and their product (this is key, you can't "Fake" this).. The reason I got the response is because I've studied almost everything the dude has posted on the internet because it helped me so much, and I made that clear.

To add - This is someone who charges $4,000 for an hour of their time. My investment was about half of that, yet my tenacious persistence in getting into their ecosystem and getting them to see me consistently was the big thing.
 
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I want to throw a wrench into some of this.

How many of us, knowing these were "gurus" still bought a course though?

:: raises hand ::

How many of us will continue to buy courses from them ( not the same guru, but future ones maybe )?

:: raises hand ::

I want to preface, I'm a different kind of person. Shame me all you want, but this is how I learn below ( generally in this same order too ):

1. Jump in headfirst on my own, no experience
2. Learn through "hard knocks" university
3. Read top 3 books on the subject once I jumped in and took action
4. Listen to several podcasts on subject
5. Watch some youtube videos on the subject
6. Continue to jump in and take action on my own again
7. Buy guru course and maybe learn a little more

But I have the money earmarked to learn also. Like a casino bet, I'm only purchasing a course with the money I have to lose. But I don't feel I will lose it even if I buy a bad course.

Why?

Many times I bought access to the owner, the guru.

You might think it's worthless to spend money to buy a course from Tai Lopez and for the most part if all you do is buy the course and watch it, I would agree with you.

But I've been able to buy a course, learn nothing, and then reach out to the owner of the course directly THROUGH that monetary exchange/first step relationship and use that reach out to find more entrepreneurs and deals then.

I'll give a real-life example, but I will change the names as I don't want anyone who doesn't want to be talked about angry at me.

1. Signed up for GURU X course, and paid money. Learned very little. Expected this
2. Reached out to GURU X, as planned. Asked if I could interview on ABC topic, but really this ABC topic was questions I personally wanted to know answers to. Used the fact I was a customer of their GURU X course. Maybe had to jump through some email hoops, but reached them finally.
3. Got all the info I wanted and needed. Info that was not in the course. Worth the price I paid for course to be able to do this, most times. Never posted the interview on YouTube, but I could and use that as "eyeballs" to my brand even more.
4. During the interview, found out GURU X was doing an in-person event with a few high-level entrepreneurs. Was able to get a free seat by simply asking if I could help film the event for them. Not sure I could have gotten this without the reach-out and interview or from buying the course prior, which got me all this.
5. Attended the event months later. Met several entrepreneurs that I would have never easily met on my own potentially. Exchanged info with them, and even struck up some deals. Sent the video/audio to fivver to be edited and handed off to GURU X.
6. Closed 2 big deals from this. Started a new venture with another. Expanded my rolodex with 20+ new high-level entrepreneurs who several had agreed for me to "interview" as well ( and I did ). Time to rinse and repeat and get everything I really want to know answered.

I just look for opportunities and try to get the most I can from them. Even if buying a guru course.

I'm not saying that these courses are typically NOT horrible. I know many of them are.

But I don't let the ability to get more out of the GURU simply slip past me. I paid money, I expect value. I find ways to extract more value most times if I can.
Oh yes. I do this too.

A guy asked me to join his paid membership about building paid memberships. (He already had a big one and was going to coach others on how he built and grew it). As one of his founding members I got to chat to him for a couple of hours for what amounted to a ridiculously low monthly fee. He wanted to understand what I was doing (and not doing) and why, and obviously gave advice along the way.

Another guy asked me to join his paid membership about selling courses. He does $1m/year selling courses to PT instructors. I joined his new membership, was reasonably active (ok, very active), he eventually messaged me, then he paid me to coach him on setting up and running the Google Ads for his courses business. Then he introduced me as his Google Ads guy to his 14k strong Facebook group of PT instructors. He still refers people to me from time to time, and if I was to ever tackle that niche I'd reach out to him.
 

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David Fogarty seems like he has good intentions, though I don’t know why he would want to teach people e-commerce when he could do the same thing him self, since he has so much experience.

That said, I like the fact he isn’t outwardly a douche who poses in front of cars for clout. He has nice things, And I believe he worked hard to get them.

David will be appearing on Shark Tank Australia lol

 
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Another guy asked me to join his paid membership about selling courses. He does $1m/year selling courses to PT instructors. I joined his new membership, was reasonably active (ok, very active), he eventually messaged me, then he paid me to coach him on setting up and running the Google Ads for his courses business. Then he introduced me as his Google Ads guy to his 14k strong Facebook group of PT instructors. He still refers people to me from time to time, and if I was to ever tackle that niche I'd reach out to him.
Lovely reversal and great exchanging of Value!
 

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I don't listen to any other podcast. Just your radio show.

It's a weird thing to read that your show is not rolling in $$ like it should. It's quite upsetting to read that.

But then again... you aren't selling the vision of working 4-hour workweek, are you? You are after bigger things and harder things.

I'm tempted here to go on a massive rant... about how more and more people prefer comfort over success. Success isn't complicated, but it's not easy either.

Just today, I invested time replying to a thread on something I know very well, expert level. Only to get a "you are assuming yada yada yada".

It's frustrating because I felt like I was playing tennis with a curtain. And that's here, on FLF! Which already pre-selects members based on their desire to do business. What about the rest of the world? People can't differentiate a sparkly headline from solid, deep rooted, useful and actionable advice (like your show!).

It's probably the same reason why @MJ DeMarco books aren't #1 on Amazon business bestseller list. "Oh you want me to read all that? Does it have 37 exact steps? Can I get it on Audible abridged?"

... so much for me not going on a rant...
Very good points to add up on this I once bought Graham Stephan's youtube course. It cost me 270 USD somewhat worth the money I would say because he lays out several of his strategies. One of his strategies is to create videos that are for 12-year-olds. He actually states that if you do not do that you will not get views and lays out examples of YouTubers that make more complex videos and get fewer views, even though they are charismatic. That is why I also lose interest in most YouTube channels after a while. Once they cover the basics most of them do not go to the next level because they are not rewarded with views. They just parrot the same shit.
 
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Yes - it's the new form of late night infomercials 'How to Flip Homes for millions or profits overnight' etc etc.

Sadly additionally in this 'attention' economy - to get clicks and views - the video titles, claims, and 'flash' showing off must be more and more outrageous then ever.

Luckily all you now need to market and sell this life now is an internet connection, cell phone to tape yourself and a few bucks to rent a huge mansion + several hot cars.


It's because human emotions haven't changed in 40 years. And most likely won't in the next 100 as well - we are a very slow species as much of our internal 'wiring' still dates to prehistoric ages in almost any regard.

People will always look for shortcuts, instant riches, overnight bodybuilder physiques and glowing skin - and it's easiest to sell all this to 20 year olds who haven't tasted much of the world yet.

This ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

The medium, delivery method and the 'clowns' themselves will change - but there will always be a 'market' and a 'buyer' for the get-me-rich-overnight program mentality.

Thank you for sharing this MJ. This thread brought me so much value this morning!

The best I advice I heard: observe them, see the techniques, study the techniques. Why are people watching this? How can I learn?

Great questions to ponder.

All of them have good books to recommend, and a few have podcasts they like.

Let that sink in.

Just added your podcast and will study it.
Thanks!

The wealthy, successful, e-commerce business owners that I know from this forum like @biophase built their businesses, one brick at a time.

Inspiring comment, great reminder to stay focused on the process.

Most people don't put in the work, so it doesn't matter if they're buying a big dollar course, or borrowing a book from the library. Winners are going to win. Losers are going to lose."

It can work, if you stay working on it. :)

The problem with financial gurus is not that they are selling courses, because that's not what they are doing.

The business model of gurus is not selling educational products. They are selling you a dream. A fake promise. A scam.

The "course" is just used as a means for justifying a transaction, and transfer the money from you to them.

Maybe a new niche: a course to recognize and filter out fake guru’s. Brought to you by the Fastlane forum! LoL

40+ *free* articles later and people in this forum were asking for a paid course. Why? Because they wanted to get a campaign running quicker than the 18 hours someone said it took them to go through my free content.

The amount of free nuggets you give out Andy will never stop to amaze me. Thank you! Still building on the value chasing proces and staying in the ‘just in time’ learning modus.

Become an expert on people, buy their stuff because you GENUINELY like them, what they do, and their product (this is key, you can't "Fake" this).. The reason I got the response is because I've studied almost everything the dude has posted on the internet because it helped me so much, and I made that clear.

This is a great insight Mike, thank you. Over the last 10 years I invested a lot in books and some courses. Mostly on communication and people. So far it never occurred to me reach out.

One course I’ve had major value from is: ‘insane productivity’ from Darren Hardy. The past 5 years it helped me immensely to become more valuable to the market place.

I always go broad with a guru/ autor/ coach on a specific topic and if I like them and their material I go deep. For example I started with MJ’s TMF . After the first ‘fast read’ I did some research, reread the book with a marker and I was IN. Now I go deep: bought all the books (last week Escape the Rat Race finally came in), follow his YT channel, devour the Fastlane Forum and rinze and repeat his lessons.

Meantime I keep asking myself: am I studying to execute or delay? (Thanks again Andy)

Long post, but wanted to appreciate all the gold from the thread and hope to add some value for others.
 
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I always go broad with a guru/ autor/ coach on a specific topic and if I like them and their material I go deep. For example I started with MJ’s TMF . After the first ‘fast read’ I did some research, reread the book with a marker and I was IN. Now I go deep: bought all the books (last week Escape the Rat Race finally came in), follow his YT channel, devour the Fastlane Forum and rinze and repeat his lessons.
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Many of these youtube gurus, especially the ones in their late teens to early/mid 20s, look very douchey.

Also good to see Alex Hormonzi on that guru list in the article. Always knew something was off with him. If one smells like a guru or talks like a guru, he IS a guru.


"Like their younger counterparts, these men often espouse deep mistrust of higher education and government, encouraging followers to devote their time and money to learn how to market themselves and their entrepreneurial ventures."

So basically most of this forum lol
Hi Xeon,


I find interesting this reply from you, where you point out that gurus, and some other people in general, have a deep mistrust of higher education.

I honestly don’t understand why everyone is hitting on the same button of the futility of academic courses.

I think that American way of thinking, in terms of academic instructions, is that even less expensive universities involves a significant cost (at least 5-figure). And I understand that it’s not worthy compared to what you could do with a solid business.

The problem becoming real if we take this reasoning as correct, even if applied to other countries.

It’s not the higher education, by itself, that is a problem. Higher education allows you to learn and thinking process on topics and provides you, or expands, remarkable problem solving skills.

I’m not a graduate. But I would like to be. And, at least in my country, I would always recommend university.

For thinking and problem solving skills.

For the network that you can create yourself (even if most students are waiting for Erasmus to have fun, drink, have s*x etc), where you can really find that "partner" with whom to create a successful business.

I think it is more a problem of the approach to higher education of the individual country than of the absolute usefulness of a university course.
 
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Just saw this post re-tweeted by someone I know.

View: https://twitter.com/steveonspeed/status/1655563455380815875?s=46&t=QVRWd3GUWSHaaHwdvWGZPg


Read it and weep for the generation of fools following this "guru". It is a plague on Twitter and other social media platforms today wanting your attention to monetize it for their "retirement".

This guy claims to have retired at 35.

Details matter:
  1. He is grinding harder on Twitter than he probably ever worked at his job. Hoping to get more eyeballs.
  2. He sells courses on how to grow your twitter account followers! That's how he monetizes.
  3. His "retirement" is funded by fools who pay for his courses on how to grow twitter *sad*
  4. He thinks that having "big monitors" and "going our for dinner" isn't being extreme frugal and is in fact retirement prosperity. Oh how low we've fallen with accepting mediocrity as a new bar for "success"
  5. He ends with "These threads take a long time to craft. If you dig this thread, please leave a comment and RT the first tweet. It helps me and it helps you spread money intel that's much needed out there."

FIRE community should be proud to accept him as a "successful" member. What a cunt.

For all the imperfections we all have, I'd like to give a public kudos to @MJ DeMarco for being someone who's actually built a business, wrote books to help others build real businesses for real prosperity! And for running a forum that provides tools to those willing and prevents scum like this "millionaire habits" guru from posting his BS on here.

Members here walk the talk (for the most part). @Andy Black teaches things he's an expert in, he makes a living doing something he's great at. @Kak runs a successful chemicals company and gives away his experience for free here and on his KKRS. @Lex DeVille is the ultimate hustler successfully making it even after chasing ... well everything! @Johnny boy and I disagree on a few things but he's running a successful landscaping company! Too many examples to go on here... but you get the picture.

If you are a young reader, the greatest thing you can do for yourself is think. Think if following someone, reading something is useful to you or a money grab for the other side.
 

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Details matter:

And you probably don't even know all the details; I *think* this is the clown who said he stopped buying his wife birthday presents so he can save the money instead. A perfect example of the new mediocrity gospel that now gets millions in free PR on Marketwatch, Yahoo Finance, and other rags.
 

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And you probably don't even know all the details; I *think* this is the clown who said he stopped buying his wife birthday presents so he can save the money instead. A perfect example of the new mediocrity gospel that now gets millions in free PR on Marketwatch, Yahoo Finance, and other rags.
This IS the clown we have all discussed previously.

King of the FIRE movement. He has been featured on CNBC for his "methods."

FIRE, more like retire to a dumpster "fire" to stay warm.

The FIRE community is only a slight upgrade from commie anti-work reddit.
 
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Hi Xeon,


I find interesting this reply from you, where you point out that gurus, and some other people in general, have a deep mistrust of higher education.

I honestly don’t understand why everyone is hitting on the same button of the futility of academic courses.

I think that American way of thinking, in terms of academic instructions, is that even less expensive universities involves a significant cost (at least 5-figure). And I understand that it’s not worthy compared to what you could do with a solid business.

The problem becoming real if we take this reasoning as correct, even if applied to other countries.

It’s not the higher education, by itself, that is a problem. Higher education allows you to learn and thinking process on topics and provides you, or expands, remarkable problem solving skills.

I’m not a graduate. But I would like to be. And, at least in my country, I would always recommend university.

For thinking and problem solving skills.

For the network that you can create yourself (even if most students are waiting for Erasmus to have fun, drink, have s*x etc), where you can really find that "partner" with whom to create a successful business.

I think it is more a problem of the approach to higher education of the individual country than of the absolute usefulness of a university course.
I don’t know any millionaire/billionaire who asked their kids to not go to college.

Even Peter thiel who argues that college is useless, pays people to drop out of college to get into his scholarship program, is not going tell you that he only invests in kids who drops out from good universities. The trick is you need to get into good university.

“College degree doesn’t matter” is like a new age hypocritical sexy advice getting thrown around by corporations and rich dudes. But they don’t really practise in when it comes to talents selection.

Besides things that you will learn in college, college is the cheapest way to put a stamp on your forehead that you are not a lazy, stupid drug addict who can attend classes, submit assignments and pass exams.

If you don’t have that, show me your million dollar worth business or 5 years of industrial related experience. When you step out of the real world people judge you on what you have delivered. You cannot cash out anything from ambition alone. In Life inevitable you have to sell yourself, and we don't have to make things difficult.
 
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Just saw this post re-tweeted by someone I know.

View: https://twitter.com/steveonspeed/status/1655563455380815875?s=46&t=QVRWd3GUWSHaaHwdvWGZPg


Read it and weep for the generation of fools following this "guru". It is a plague on Twitter and other social media platforms today wanting your attention to monetize it for their "retirement".

This guy claims to have retired at 35.

Details matter:
  1. He is grinding harder on Twitter than he probably ever worked at his job. Hoping to get more eyeballs.
  2. He sells courses on how to grow your twitter account followers! That's how he monetizes.
  3. His "retirement" is funded by fools who pay for his courses on how to grow twitter *sad*
  4. He thinks that having "big monitors" and "going our for dinner" isn't being extreme frugal and is in fact retirement prosperity. Oh how low we've fallen with accepting mediocrity as a new bar for "success"
  5. He ends with "These threads take a long time to craft. If you dig this thread, please leave a comment and RT the first tweet. It helps me and it helps you spread money intel that's much needed out there."

FIRE community should be proud to accept him as a "successful" member. What a cunt.

For all the imperfections we all have, I'd like to give a public kudos to @MJ DeMarco for being someone who's actually built a business, wrote books to help others build real businesses for real prosperity! And for running a forum that provides tools to those willing and prevents scum like this "millionaire habits" guru from posting his BS on here.

Members here walk the talk (for the most part). @Andy Black teaches things he's an expert in, he makes a living doing something he's great at. @Kak runs a successful chemicals company and gives away his experience for free here and on his KKRS. @Lex DeVille is the ultimate hustler successfully making it even after chasing ... well everything! @Johnny boy and I disagree on a few things but he's running a successful landscaping company! Too many examples to go on here... but you get the picture.

If you are a young reader, the greatest thing you can do for yourself is think. Think if following someone, reading something is useful to you or a money grab for the other side.
To summarise FIRE depends on getting a high-paying job, live frugally, and relying on good return of risk assets for 15-20 years.

Two of the three factors totally uncontrollable.
 
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To summarise FIRE depends on getting a high-paying job, live frugally, and relying on good return of risk assets for 15-20 years.

Two of the three factors totally uncontrollable.
More like 60+ years.

They’re preaching saving hard while they’re working and need it to last to 85+.

Not everyone becomes the Twitter king of “FIRE” when they retire. Not everyone gets to sell courses on this.

I have a feeling he would already be out of money if he was actually retired and ONLY followed his own advice.

“Step 37- Become an influencer, guru, author and course seller, and make more money than your job.”
 
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Holy shitballs I didn’t know this guy was such a legit baller. I hope my girl doesn’t find this guy.
LOL!

Weekly restaurants. Wow. Not only does he go to restaurants, he goes weekly.

I bet they drink water with extra lemons, steal the silverware, and stuff her purse full of mints on the way out after stiffing the waiter.
 
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