• The Entrepreneur Forum | Startups | Entrepreneurship | Starting a Business | Motivation | Success
  1. The forum software will be upgraded on Sunday May 26th and may not look normal during the transition. Some functionality may be offline. This is TEMPORARY and is expected to last up to 8 hours.
  2. Join 50,000+ entrepreneurs
    who are kicking butt and
    winning their dream life.

    Unscripted™ Entrepreneurship:
    A Business That Pays More Than Money, It Pays Time.

    "Fastlane" is an entrepreneur discussion forum based on The Unscripted Entrepreneurial Framework (TUNEF) outlined in the two best-selling books by MJ DeMarco (The Millionaire Fastlane and UNSCRIPTED™). From multimillionaires to digital nomads, the forum features real entrepreneurs creating real businesses.

    Download (Unscripted) Download (Millionaire Fastlane)  Register
    Registering for the forum removes this block!

Speed Reading: Is it worth it?

Discussion in 'Education, Learning, Books' started by wordwarrior, Mar 6, 2019.

  1. wordwarrior
    Offline

    wordwarrior Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED

    Messages:
    49
    Likes Received:
    73
    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2019
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Montreal, Canada
    Rep Bank:
    $541
    I'll preface this post with an acknowledgement: I realize that MJ and many established members of this forum advocate doing over getting caught in an endless reading cycle. This makes sense, but in the process of doing I'm sure many of us will have to do at least some reading/crash courses/etc.

    This brings me to my question: Do any of you have experience with speed reading? Is learning about speed reading worth it? Can it cut down the learning curve and free up more time for doing?

    I stumbled onto a Udemy speed reading course and I'm wondering if it's worth it.
     
    ruzara5, Shashwat, Everyman and 5 others like this.
  2. RazorCut
    Offline

    RazorCut Platinum Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    1,405
    Likes Received:
    4,361
    Joined:
    May 3, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    England UK
    Rep Bank:
    $27,123
    I think it works for skimming. I am a slow reader if I want to immerse myself in the text. However if I want to speed read I just skim through by recognising every 4th or 6th word and am still able to follow the dialogue, then anything that looks interesting I can slow down and read the paragraph.

    I take it that is what the course teaches? Have you tried looking for a YouTube video on speed reading? It will take a fraction of the time that a course will take.

    The old trick of reading the back cover, intro, end, then using the index to focus on the areas of most interest are great ways of getting an abstract. There are also web sites that do a good job of dissecting the meat for lots of business related books.

    www.blinkist.com for example.


    Lots of ways to get though a book quickly. However often the more effort you put in the more you take from it. I recently read a book twice. Second time around with a highlighter and sticky labels. Then I went through a third time writing all the highlighted sections out into a word document and annotating them. Took ages but was worth all the effort.
     
  3. Kak
    Offline

    Kak Capitalist Swine Read Millionaire Fastlane FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR Summit Attendee

    Messages:
    5,130
    Likes Received:
    19,231
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2011
    Rep Bank:
    $30,225
    I'm interested in this topic... I currently know nothing.
     
  4. RazorCut
    Offline

    RazorCut Platinum Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    1,405
    Likes Received:
    4,361
    Joined:
    May 3, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    England UK
    Rep Bank:
    $27,123
    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
    tapikaipsihremos, Andy Black and Kak like this.
  5. MTEE1985
    Offline

    MTEE1985 There is no opportunity in comfort Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    516
    Likes Received:
    1,717
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2018
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Arizona
    Rep Bank:
    $900
    I’ve dabbled but found the comprehension rates aren’t as high as I’d like. Doesn’t mean it won’t work for you though.

    I’d say try it and report back. What’s your worst sunk cost here? $9.99 and a few hours? I think that’s worth the potentially thousands of hours of savings over your reading life.
     
  6. wordwarrior
    Offline

    wordwarrior Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED

    Messages:
    49
    Likes Received:
    73
    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2019
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Montreal, Canada
    Rep Bank:
    $541
    I read Robert Ciadlini's Influence along with Pre-Suasion and highlighted the salient points while mostly ignoring the anecdotes. Last night I went back to Influence and re-read some of the highlights I made earlier. It was a very effective and concise refresher.
     
    Roli, RazorCut and Kak like this.
  7. Kak
    Offline

    Kak Capitalist Swine Read Millionaire Fastlane FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR Summit Attendee

    Messages:
    5,130
    Likes Received:
    19,231
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2011
    Rep Bank:
    $30,225
    About speed reading.
     
    amp0193, Andy Black and RazorCut like this.
  8. wordwarrior
    Offline

    wordwarrior Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED

    Messages:
    49
    Likes Received:
    73
    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2019
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Montreal, Canada
    Rep Bank:
    $541
    I get it for free from work.
     
    tapikaipsihremos likes this.
  9. NMdad
    Offline

    NMdad Silver Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    412
    Likes Received:
    779
    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2017
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    New Mexico
    Rep Bank:
    $4,728
    What @RazorCut said.

    Also, I have done some speed reading--I think it was Tim Ferriss's approach, basically where you train your eye movements to continually move across each line of text, without pauses or re-reading words/lines. It worked well, but I found it required a lot of focus & mental energy. You can do the eye-movement training using a book (from the library) in a language you're not familiar with--Greek, Spanish, etc.

    That said, one of the best ways I've found to reinforce & retain info/ideas from what I've read is to tell someone else what I've read. Basically, since you're teaching someone else, you have to know the material. It's the Richard Feynman technique:
    Learning From the Feynman Technique – Taking Note – Medium
    It works well, but beware: your spouse & kids will start calling you names--nerd, geek, etc.--when you get all excited telling them about random stuff like paperclips, salt, Genghis Khan, ... :)
     
  10. Raoul Duke
    Offline

    Raoul Duke Tallest Lannister Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass Summit Attendee

    Messages:
    1,341
    Likes Received:
    4,762
    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2016
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $10,215
    That’s a Texas sized 10-4.
     
    SMH and Kak like this.
  11. ExaltedLife
    Offline

    ExaltedLife Silver Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    317
    Likes Received:
    618
    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $2,615
    Short answer: no.

    You won't retain what you read because you aren't taking the time to integrate it. Its counterproductive.

    Read the book properly one time and you won't ever need to read it again.
     
  12. Andy Black
    Online

    Andy Black Any colour, as long as it's red. Staff Member Read Millionaire Fastlane FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR

    Messages:
    7,956
    Likes Received:
    33,689
    Joined:
    May 20, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Ireland
    Rep Bank:
    $187,998
    I’m curious why folks want to read faster?
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2019
    tapikaipsihremos and Jello like this.
  13. Kak
    Offline

    Kak Capitalist Swine Read Millionaire Fastlane FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR Summit Attendee

    Messages:
    5,130
    Likes Received:
    19,231
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2011
    Rep Bank:
    $30,225
    I do speed some audible books up to 1.75 and 2x you get used to it...

    Then my wife gets in the car and she thinks they are speaking a different language. HAHA
     
    tapikaipsihremos and Jello like this.
  14. RazorCut
    Offline

    RazorCut Platinum Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    1,405
    Likes Received:
    4,361
    Joined:
    May 3, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    England UK
    Rep Bank:
    $27,123
    I guess lack of time or only want the salient points, not the padding. Like sucking the juice out of an ice lolly while leaving the ice behind.

    I mainly use Audible but the problem with that is unless you take notes (which defeats the freedom associated with an audio book) you lose a lot of the information.

    How do you digest and retain information Andy?
     
    Andy Black and ExaltedLife like this.
  15. ExaltedLife
    Offline

    ExaltedLife Silver Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    317
    Likes Received:
    618
    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $2,615
    To save time, but it's a short cut.

    It's like this.

    When you think, your neurons fire. When you hear a word, the neurons relating to what that word means fire.

    The thing is, everything is related, so understanding is about connections. When you read fast, you have time for a few of those neurons to fire, but fewer connections get made.

    For example if you want to understsnd what 'productocracy', the definition is nice but somebody who has taken the time to think of ten or more examples is going to understand it way more clearly, because they've identified whole bunch of connections in reality.

    If you want to sacrifice clarity of understanding in exchange for volume of information, go for it, but it's a bad idea.
     
    redshift and SMH like this.
  16. ExaltedLife
    Offline

    ExaltedLife Silver Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    317
    Likes Received:
    618
    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $2,615
    Like I said in another thread, the key to retaining information is relating it to your senses, especially sight. Emotions are good too for remembering the connection of the word to reality. Thats why women never forget when you piss them off, haha.

    It comes down to the richness and detail of the content in your mind. If you can *see* it in your minds eye, it's easy to bring it up. Maybe you've never thought about it, but if I ask you what color your neighbors' car is, you probably know it.
     
    SMH likes this.
  17. ExaltedLife
    Offline

    ExaltedLife Silver Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    317
    Likes Received:
    618
    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $2,615
    Also this is why @MJ DeMarco probably understands "productocracy" way better than most people who have read the book, because he created the concept inductively; he derived it by looking at a large number of businesses in reality, looking at what they had in common versus other businesses, and then creating a concept based on their unique essential characteristics.

    So for him, the concept is connected to a lot of data, because he saw it first hand. For lots of others, its just a word they read in a book with a definition and one or two examples.

    This is (I think) where that whole "you only retain 10% of what you read" bromide came from. Most people don't take the time to recreate the inductive process.
     
    redshift likes this.
  18. JAJT
    Offline

    JAJT Ha Ha! Business Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR Summit Attendee

    Messages:
    2,619
    Likes Received:
    13,506
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    Rep Bank:
    $67,136
    If you are currently reading 1-2 pages per minute - I wouldn't worry about it.

    If you are only reading 1 page every 2 or 3 or 4 minutes you should probably seek out to answer why and then focus on trying to get that up to the typical 1-2 pages per minute mark.

    Also learn to skim and stop. There's no gold star for finishing a book or reading every page. If it's boring - stop. If it's confusing - put it down and pick up later. If you already get the idea - skim until you hit something new and exciting.

    As KAK said - audiobooks are also gold. No reason not to listen at 1.5 - 2x speed. I do this all the time with youtube videos and the like and I can't stand listening slower anymore. I just bump up the speed to the point where it's fast but I still understand everything and can absorb the info. It's usually 1.5 for fast talkers and 2x for average talkers. Some really slow folks make me wish more programs had 3x.
     
  19. NMdad
    Offline

    NMdad Silver Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    412
    Likes Received:
    779
    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2017
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    New Mexico
    Rep Bank:
    $4,728
    OMG--this same exact thing happens to me. My kids think it's hilarious.
     
    RazorCut, wordwarrior and Kak like this.
  20. Mark Fobo
    Offline

    Mark Fobo Contributor

    Messages:
    106
    Likes Received:
    68
    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2019
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    London
    Rep Bank:
    $402
    I have always been a slow reader in my native language like in English. Reading fast for few minutes and lose most of the information. I never trained though and it is funny you created this topic because I was thinking about it while reading the other... I need to get faster at reading... I dont have any issue though haha
     
  21. Andy Black
    Online

    Andy Black Any colour, as long as it's red. Staff Member Read Millionaire Fastlane FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR

    Messages:
    7,956
    Likes Received:
    33,689
    Joined:
    May 20, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Ireland
    Rep Bank:
    $187,998
    You pesky kids seem in such an infernal rush...
     
    SMH, Xeon, RazorCut and 2 others like this.
  22. Andy Black
    Online

    Andy Black Any colour, as long as it's red. Staff Member Read Millionaire Fastlane FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR

    Messages:
    7,956
    Likes Received:
    33,689
    Joined:
    May 20, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Ireland
    Rep Bank:
    $187,998
    I don’t try to. I let it wash over me till something resonates. Then I put it down or turn it off and mull over it for a few weeks... trying to figure out what I can do different going forward.

    All it takes is one small twist to make all the difference.

    When I was attending weekly 2 hour evening sessions with Blaise Brosnan, he’d tell the group to just take one thing away from each session, to act on it, and to make a 5% gain in your business. Do that each week and you’ll have a completely different business at the end of the 20 weeks.

    I prefer to clear my head by simplifying things rather than fill it up with yet more “stuff”.

    The main thing I’m working on at the moment is focus, so the thought of speed reading/listening actually horrifies me.
     
  23. ApparentHorizon
    Offline

    ApparentHorizon Gold Contributor Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    769
    Likes Received:
    2,229
    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2016
    Location:
    Greenville, SC
    Rep Bank:
    $8,592
    There are tricks to speed read. IDK where they're taught or where they come from, b/c I have yet to find anything similar.

    But, someone showed me this and I use it to skim while retaining info.

    VS

    Speed reading full words and barely understanding.

    upload_2019-3-6_14-59-37.png
     
    RazorCut likes this.
  24. ProcessPro
    Offline

    ProcessPro Bronze Contributor Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    138
    Likes Received:
    183
    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2018
    Rep Bank:
    $1,102
    I trained my eyes to move in the manner recommended by a speed reading course and now I instinctively do it even when I don't want to. It's a bit annoying. My eyes make these big jumps.

    There is a place for selective reading if you know what you want from a book and knowing when to skim.
    It also helps to develop a reading strategy that accounts for the way writing is structured. i.e. The main idea is in the first/last paragraphs and first/last lines in a paragraph. So reading selectively can reveal the wheat while skipping the chaff and you can read more as needed. Selective reading is helpful simply because many authors have some quota to meet (I think 200 pages), so there is often around of fluff around their key ideas. It saves time.
     
    RazorCut likes this.
  25. SquatchMan
    Offline

    SquatchMan Gold Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    449
    Likes Received:
    1,602
    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2016
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Nowhere
    Rep Bank:
    $1,940
    I skim unimportant/short stuff that I still want to read for whatever reason. News stuff mostly.

    Interesting stuff I usually read normal speed, which is still fast. Really interesting stuff or complicated stuff gets a few reads because it takes a few reads to internalize it.

    I don't really read books anymore though. I prefer reading blogs or forums. I think it's a better than a book for many topics. Business stuff is especially fun since you can read the progress as it happens combined with lots of different viewpoints.

    It's always funny when you go from a very slow speaker at 2x to the same slow speaker at 1x. It sounds like slow motion audio. Makes me realize just how slow some people talk.
     

Join 1000s of entrepreneurs who are rewriting life's script and winning financial freedom.

---- ----

You must be a member to join the conversation.

Create Account

Join the community fast and easy!

REGISTER

Log In

Already have an account? Login here.

LOG IN

Share This Page