Question time: Do looks matter for success?

[MJ DeMarco]

As much as we hate to admit it, attraction comes down to mathematics, symmetry, golden ratios, and yes, I think it helps to look your best when dealing with the public. Yet, I much rather deal with someone competent and unattractive, than someone attractive yet incompetent.

However at the end of the day, if you have something I desperately want, I'm not going to care about your looks and your finely tailored Armani suit. Sometimes appearances can have opposite reactions.

I remember when I was interviewing GC's for my house remodel. One guy pulled up in a huge brand new truck, mind you, the $100K kind. Instantly I knew the price of his bid would be through the roof and it was. I didn't hire him ... not because he was incompetent, but because his appearance implied that his price was overbid.

I examine this extensively in Unscripted , re: The Cancer Corollary.

PS: I've edited your thread title.

 

[jon.a]

No, I wouldn't want an employee to get distracted by a mirror.

 

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[Argue]

Short answer: no.

We’re not focused on getting hired for a job.

We’re focused on entrepreneurship and becoming self-made!

 

[ApparentHorizon]

Depends on what you call success.

Less than a decade ago, while I was in school, I could attract any woman I wanted to based on my looks. Perfectly groomed. Pearly white teeth. Fantastic posture and build. All I had to do was stare her down, and she'd come crawling to me.

In general society, looks will get you far:
How Much Easier Is Life for Good-Looking People?

You're much more likely to get off with a warning instead of a speeding ticket...(from experience)

You're much more likely to get a high paying job....(from experience)

Over the past 3 years however, I've put my head down to work on my biz. During this phase, I basically looked homeless. Baggy eyes due to lack of sleep. Pimples due to poor diet and hygiene. Unshaven, terrible posture.

Yet...I experienced the biggest growth during this time...

I've signed the biggest contracts of my life, and it's only getting better. I've made more connections with powerful people. I've expanded my network 3 fold....I became more charismatic since I had to prove my worth.

In scripted life, great looks work. You'll be on what feels like the top of the world, and they'll stand at your feet offering you silver plates.

In unscripted , well....you get the point.

 

[jon.a]

Okay, you are missing the point of the ads. Many advertisers, still think that hot looking actors sell better than normal people.

Just because lately, I see a lot of advertising, even from big brands, with just 'hot' guys/girls in the background, completely random to me.

I just want to understand better.

I never tought about me in this terms, I mean: 'I have to look like blabla to succeed'.
But I do think that I'm missing something.

Like, maybe if you strumentalize your looks you can achieve different results.

I'm sorry if it sounds dumb, I'm just here to talk.

 

[The-J]

Of course they matter... if you wanna be an actor or model or something like that.

They matter a little bit in face-to-face sales, too. Maybe in real estate, it helps to be good looking.

Everything else? Meh, not really. If you're in ecommerce, most of your customers will never even know your name.

Maybe good looks affect your outlook on life? But if that's the case, then you need to shift your locus of control.

This is a stupid thread lol

 

[Fox]

I had childhood friends who were male models. Like very top percentile of "good looking". They have never achieved much and for them it has held them back in a huge way - I think it is a huge fear of being seen to fail at something. Highly intelligent guys too.

Your mindset is going to be 99% of what you achieve. Look at early photos of Conor McGregor covered in acme with zero style and then compare with how he looks now. His mindset got him where he is now and then that was represented in how he carries himself. Same with guys will Elon Musk.

So use what you have and don't compare yourself with others.
An excuse for one person can be something another person uses to proof their ability even more.

Bottom line - would you want the type of success that only came down to being better looking than someone else?

 

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[jon.a]

Most likely not to hire narcisistic type?

I personally think that if we take two candidates with the same level of skill, for PR I would take the good looking one.

It's like writing good copy, it depends on what you are selling/providing, right?

Why are you asking this?

 

[B. Cole]

Attributes to success are things like a burning desire to learn, work ethic, timeliness, dedication, a little bit of humor, good decision making, forward thinking and an ability to keep it together when things go south.

Models are marketing medium, a sales tool. The person executing on the real opportunity hires the model to sell their product. You can look like a wildebeest, but if you solve people's problems and provide value, it won't matter. I'll take Igor, queen of execution over Nadia, queen of tardiness and dissapointment any day.

Just my .000000000002 BTC.

 

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[NickC]

Depends exactly what you mean. Like others said. If i have the cure to cancer and you need it. Do you care wether im a 2 or a 10?

 

[KLaw]

Do you guys think that being good looking is a boost for 'success'?

No. Have you seen @Vigilante ?

 

[Xeon]

Do you guys think that being good looking is a boost for 'success'? Or it's just 'additional value'?

Good looking people is most likely to be hired, compared to an Igor type.

Looks matter. This is just a fact of life.
It's not a boost, it's

1) In interviews, good-looking folks tend to get the job much more easier (the ultimate combo = you're a really pretty girl and the interviewer is a guy). Good-looking people tend to get scolded less by their superiors.

2) On social media / Tinder, if you're good-looking, people will contact you via private messages without you needing to do anything, and before long, bam, you're going out with the 9th new girl / guy for the week. Looks act as a black hole that sucks everyone to you without trying. No game, no money, no glib tongue needed.

3) Looks matter in sales. If there's 2 salesman and both are equally good at selling, and one is an "Igor" type (lol new word learnt today) and the other looks like those male models from men's magazines, the latter will clinch the deal.

4) Good-looking people tend to have a rosier life. In school, they're popular and that gives them the confidence without trying, and those past success in life will spur them on to become even more confident and do better.

In high school, I had this good-looking friend. He was nominated for class monitor every year, regardless of the school he's in, even though he has no leadership qualities and has multiple shortcomings personality-wise. There were tons of people better for the job, but well....

5) Go youtube and google "Connor Murphy" and look at all his social experiment videos where he pick up girls using just his body and looks. With looks, you don't even need to talk.

The best thing to do for non-lookers like myself is to just suck it up, get on with life, because life isn't fair.
If it's any consolation, look at people like Bill Gates, Ronaldinho, Jack Ma (lol), Donatella Versace etc.

Just need to work harder, that's all.

 

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[Almantas]

IMHO it's not looks per se that increases a success rate in ones life.

What's it then?

Confidence.

 

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[ShadowX]

I think you can be ugly as hell as long as you put yourself together well.

Lol yeah true. Average person can easily become 6/10 to 9/10 easy...

Some people can be the most good looking people if they just put themselves together. I mean hit the gym dude lose that belly, shave that toddler mustache, lose that 5 year old tank top. Spike up your hair or something, test what suits you. Just SIMPLY look after yourself.

You can see transformations like this on reddit of people who have done this..

Someone in this thread also mentioned something about taller and success. You can also buy special shoes to make u taller haha adapt with it.

Also someone mentioned confidence. Yes CONFIDENCE is key!

 

[Nomadic]

Instinctively as animals, whether we like to admit it or not, we are more drawn to people who are attractive and obviously take care of themselves. It's primitive. Ad companies know this and take advantage of it. HOWEVER, it's more about how well you take care of yourself that leads to attractiveness. The most beautiful person in the world can be born but if they never take care of themselves, that won't last long at all.

 

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[GabrielDC]

Hello everyone,
I wanted to create a discussion about a topic that always interested me.

Do you guys think that being good looking is a boost for 'success'?
Or it's just 'additional value'?

I personally think that depends on our concept of success, but it helps.

Good looking people is most likely to be hired, compared to an Igor type.

I kno, sounds pretty childish of a question.
But I want to know how different people thinks .

So, What do you think?

(Sorry for my english, still trying to improve it.)

 

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[luniac]

Looks are transient. Ur fastlane is 4 life.

 

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[NewManRising]

Some of the most successful people in the world are not really "lookers". Remember the cancer corollary. Being good looking is all subjective. It means different things to different people. The standards of beauty vary among nations/cultures/individuals.

 

[Thoelt53]

Depends on what you call success.

Less than a decade ago, while I was in school, I could attract any woman I wanted to based on my looks. Perfectly groomed. Pearly white teeth. Fantastic posture and build. All I had to do was stare her down, and she'd come crawling to me.

In general society, looks will get you far:
How Much Easier Is Life for Good-Looking People?

You're much more likely to get off with a warning instead of a speeding ticket...(from experience)

You're much more likely to get a high paying job....(from experience)

Over the past 3 years however, I've put my head down to work on my biz. During this phase, I basically looked homeless. Baggy eyes due to lack of sleep. Pimples due to poor diet and hygiene. Unshaven, terrible posture.

Yet...I experienced the biggest growth during this time...

I've signed the biggest contracts of my life, and it's only getting better. I've made more connections with powerful people. I've expanded my network 3 fold....I became more charismatic since I had to prove my worth.

In scripted life, great looks work. You'll be on what feels like the top of the world, and they'll stand at your feet offering you silver plates.

In unscripted , well....you get the point.

 

[Thoelt53]

Success is a relative term. And so is “good looks.”

In most instances, success doesn’t give a F*ck about good looks.

Success gives a F*ck about value, hard work, diligence and perseverance.

Success most importantly gives a F*ck about results.

 

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[GMSI7D]

Hello everyone,
I wanted to create a discussion about a topic that always interested me.

Do you guys think that being good looking is a boost for 'success'?
Or it's just 'additional value'?

I personally think that depends on our concept of success, but it helps.

Good looking people is most likely to be hired, compared to an Igor type.

I kno, sounds pretty childish of a question.
But I want to know how different people thinks .

So, What do you think?

(Sorry for my english, still trying to improve it.)

don't hunt for good looks but for power and charisma

do you think hitler was elected thanks to his good looks ?

no , thanks to his persuasion power

do you think cult leaders are followed for their good looks ?

forget about looks and all that crap.

men are not women with all their beauty crap

go for power and a major definite purpose in life

 

[BrooklynHustle]

Hello everyone,
I wanted to create a discussion about a topic that always interested me.

Do you guys think that being good looking is a boost for 'success'?
Or it's just 'additional value'?

I personally think that depends on our concept of success, but it helps.

Good looking people is most likely to be hired, compared to an Igor type.

I kno, sounds pretty childish of a question.
But I want to know how different people thinks .

So, What do you think?

(Sorry for my english, still trying to improve it.)

Maybe in some cases...

But I would spend more time focusing areas where you can exert control.

 

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[The-J]

Why it's stupid?

Because you're asking the wrong question.

Instead of asking whether looks matter for success, ask how you can change yourself to improve your chances of success.

Maybe looks do matter for the path I've chosen, but I can't change my height or my skin color. But I can, say, dress a bit better. Or get a nicer hairstyle. Or pick up a skin care routine. Or spend the money on a style consultant. I could go to the gym and shed (or gain) some weight, and I could change my diet so that my skin is nicer.

These things will probably help anybody, no matter what they do or what their goals are.

So ask yourself: what do I need to change about myself to improve my chance of success?

 

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[GetShitDone]

Lol yeah true. Average person can easily become 6/10 to 9/10 easy...

Some people can be the most good looking people if they just put themselves together. I mean hit the gym dude lose that belly, shave that toddler mustache, lose that 5 year old tank top. Spike up your hair or something, test what suits you. Just SIMPLY look after yourself.

You can see transformations like this on reddit of people who have done this..

Someone in this thread also mentioned something about taller and success. You can also buy special shoes to make u taller haha adapt with it.

Also someone mentioned confidence. Yes CONFIDENCE is key!

There's a Fastlane idea: 30 days to adding 3 points to your attractiveness meter Or better yet, a subscription service the sends you everything to become and stay attractive.

Agreed though. TO take it even a step further from the height thing, it's possible to get a defined jawline and overall attractive face too by simply having your tongue positioned properly and breathing through your nose.

In conclusion, its possible for almost anyone to become attractive (And yes although its not a necessity, I feel it helps in life in general).

 

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[ZF Lee]

Hello everyone,
I wanted to create a discussion about a topic that always interested me.

Do you guys think that being good looking is a boost for 'success'?
Or it's just 'additional value'?

I personally think that depends on our concept of success, but it helps.

Good looking people is most likely to be hired, compared to an Igor type.

I kno, sounds pretty childish of a question.
But I want to know how different people thinks .

So, What do you think?

(Sorry for my english, still trying to improve it.)

Just make sure you are clean, neat and presentable.
Don't need to be all dolled up.

Do take a bath, stay fit and ensure you wear simple shirts and trousers that don't stink
Doesn't need $10,000 dollars or an Armani suit for that!

 

[GetShitDone]

If you mean sexual success, yes. If you mean financial success, it depends. Ultimately it all comes down to your vibe whether you're attractive or unattractive. It's definitely a boost: I get looks/attraction from women all the time, but (some of them) will assume that I'm a player until I spit game and reel them in. When it comes to business, sometimes people will be negative but once you "spit game" so to speak, they see you're good to go with them. It's vibe/how you come across (body language, tonality, influence, etc).

It's funny though, I'm seen as a pretty boy, albeit not doing any metrosexual grooming/overly caring about my appearance at all haha.

Good looking women will have much more privilege then good looking men: Fact.

Albeit, I urge you to read this link:

Attractive men get less job offers because they intimidate bosses | Daily Mail Online

Good looking men (on average) will intimidate average/below average looking men when it comes to competition. Whether it's to do with women or with getting hired as seen in the above study.

However, there is a "halo effect" in psychology (look it up) that when people see a good looking person, they automatically assume that person is more trustworthy, intelligent, socially superior, etc. Therefore, being good looking can be a boost in business or (obviously modelling) for advertising.

 

[DaveC]

There's a lot of research that being taller or just being in shape leads to higher salaries:

For Every Inch Taller You Are, You Make $800 More Per Year
How Working Out Can Really Pay Off

 

[minivanman]

Have you ever heard the song by Bobby Bear NUMBERS? If not, give it a listen.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD8sf0BfM7M


When I was in the cleaning business I heard about a lady that owned another cleaning business in town. She used to dress really nice and pull up to their house in a new Cadillac. So I found out who she was and for fun, kind of kept up with her. She never had over a few girls working for her and after a few years she went out of business. That's why I always drove an older van and left the Mountaineer in the garage when on a bid. There were times I'd show up to a bid wearing knee pads.... I got every single job when I showed up wearing those knee pads. lol

99% of my workers in the cleaning business were females and as much as I would have loved to have seen all of their boobs.... I hired who was best fit for the job I was hiring for. And for me, that took a lot of self control! When a guy applies to work for me, I really have no clue if he is good looking or not.... it's really hard for me to tell about males. But I can guarantee you this.... if a female, good looking or butt ugly walked in topless..... HIRED!!!!! Oh yeah, what's you're name?

 

[ljb7]

Yes. But so do a bunch of other things. Let's break it down.

Looks won't affect is the way consumers see the product you produced. It doesn't matter to them if you're fugly or godlike, if you make something they want/need, they'll buy (p.s. brand image)

You're really talking about looks helping you build your network, make deals, typical sales etc.

But like others have said, there are a bunch of other things you CAN change. A few on the aesthetical side:

- clothing style
- posture
- physical shape
- teeth
- skin
- hair

While these are important, I think there are some more even important factors when it comes to your persona:

- mindset
- genuinity
- wittiness
- knowledgable
- able to carry a good conversation

Work on those traits, coupled with the aethetical points you actually can change, and you'll be absolutely fine.

At the end of the day, we all gotta play the cards we've been dealt! And while someone seriously good looking may have hit the jackpot in that respect, most of the time they aren't business/entrepreneurial minded, which imo is the biggest jackpot trait of them all

 

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[Xeon]

No. Have you seen @Vigilante ?

Does he have a pic around here somewhere? I'm curious.

 

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