Impossible to get digital marketing job without degree?

[LiveEntrepreneur]

<div class="bbWrapper">Hi everyone, so I have been looking for a digital marketing job for a while but it seems impossible without a degree. I don&#039;t see the logic behind employers, when marketing degrees teach nothing about SEO for example, what is it exactly they are looking for in a degree? Anyways... my real question is there any tips that you guys can give me to increase my chances of getting a job that requires a degree when I don&#039;t have one? <br /> <br /> I think my CV and resume is pretty good, I&#039;ve mentioned for example in my CV, the online courses and that on digital marketing that I have taken, my own projects that I have worked on, and I wrote I was willing to work from home and put in the extra hours. Has anyone here ever gotten a job where it required a degree but you managed to convince the hiring manager somehow that even without it you are a good fit for the role? I&#039;ve also tried to apply for copy-writing jobs but no luck there.</div>

 

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[Andy Black]

<div class="bbWrapper">Curious why you don’t spend that time trying to get a paying client?</div>

 

[ZF Lee]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23590" data-quote="Andy Black" data-source="post: 770418" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=770418" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-770418">Andy Black said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Curious why you don’t spend that time trying to get a paying client? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>1. Do a marketing A/B test with a REAL email or ads. You do this by asking others on forums, your meetups or workplace whether you can do them a FREE service.<br /> <br /> That way, you show folks you can give ACTUAL results.<br /> <br /> For me, I didn&#039;t do an A/B testing experiment, but I just went to Inspect element and edited web copy on the fly, screenshot it and voila...actionable samples.<br /> <br /> <br /> 2. Even if the results of the A/B test aren&#039;t great, take that snapshot of your results, and write up a short case study on the goal of the test, what went right and what didn&#039;t, and how you can make it better.<br /> <br /> 3. Go to clients on freelance websites or ring people up or hit meetups. Show them that track record.<br /> <br /> I went this route to sell services for writing copy and resumes. They gave me jobs without asking about my degree.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 50416" data-quote="LiveEntrepreneur" data-source="post: 770407" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=770407" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-770407">LiveEntrepreneur said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I don&#039;t see the logic behind employers, when marketing degrees teach nothing about SEO for example, what is it exactly they are looking for in a degree? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Consistency of sorts.<br /> <br /> They try to make marketing into a turn-key operation, which isn&#039;t.<br /> <br /> Marketing is full of testing and learning. Can&#039;t be just put into a bunch of formulas.</div>

 

[LiveEntrepreneur]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23590" data-quote="Andy Black" data-source="post: 770418" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=770418" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-770418">Andy Black said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Curious why you don’t spend that time trying to get a paying client? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Because I am already working on an idea, and I wanted digital marketing as a job.</div>

 

[ZF Lee]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 50416" data-quote="LiveEntrepreneur" data-source="post: 770675" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=770675" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-770675">LiveEntrepreneur said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Because I am already working on an idea, and I wanted digital marketing as a job. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Hmm semantics....<br /> <br /> When you look for a &#039;client&#039;, you might find yourself working long-term with him.<br /> The nature of digital marketing is that you have to test and break stuff.<br /> <br /> So that long-term contract might very well last as long as an average job, although it doesn&#039;t need to last for years.<br /> <br /> So all things will be even out, whether its a &#039;job&#039; or &#039;client&#039;. Anyway, you have to fulfill peoples&#039; expectations in both a job or hustle.<br /> <br /> Ask the client or whoever is hiring you whether both of you can go for a test run for a few weeks&#039; and see if you can run well with their marketing goals. And then, if it works, you keep working with them. If not, it&#039;s fine to say bye-bye. If the client was still happy with your work, he&#039;ll be more likely to pay, but if otherwise, best say &#039;no fee&#039;.</div>

 

[LiveEntrepreneur]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 41415" data-quote="ZF Lee" data-source="post: 770676" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=770676" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-770676">ZF Lee said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hmm semantics....<br /> <br /> When you look for a &#039;client&#039;, you might find yourself working long-term with him.<br /> The nature of digital marketing is that you have to test and break stuff.<br /> <br /> So that long-term contract might very well last as long as an average job, although it doesn&#039;t need to last for years.<br /> <br /> So all things will be even out, whether its a &#039;job&#039; or &#039;client&#039;. Anyway, you have to fulfill peoples&#039; expectations in both a job or hustle.<br /> <br /> Ask the client or whoever is hiring you whether both of you can go for a test run for a few weeks&#039; and see if you can run well with their marketing goals. And then, if it works, you keep working with them. If not, it&#039;s fine to say bye-bye. If the client was still happy with your work, he&#039;ll be more likely to pay, but if otherwise, best say &#039;no fee&#039;. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I get what you&#039;re trying to say, it doesn&#039;t just make sense to me in terms of doing that idea along with my current idea. The reason is by the time I get home I have only a few hours to work on something and if I am splitting it on 2 ideas, I won&#039;t really have that much time to put the effort that I think is required.</div>

 

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[eliquid]

<div class="bbWrapper">I know plenty of people who do ( or did ) digital marketing at jobs without a degree.<br /> <br /> I was one of them once.</div>

 

[LiveEntrepreneur]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 16090" data-quote="eliquid" data-source="post: 770953" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=770953" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-770953">eliquid said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I know plenty of people who do ( or did ) digital marketing at jobs without a degree.<br /> <br /> I was one of them once. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>How&#039;d you do that lol? Legit every listing I look at wants a degree (which I am pretty sure doesn&#039;t really teach digital marketing). Though I applied for a job recently, it&#039;s a startup. I pretty much manage their business, their online presence so I am pretty excited about that.</div>

 

[ZF Lee]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 50416" data-quote="LiveEntrepreneur" data-source="post: 772063" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=772063" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-772063">LiveEntrepreneur said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> How&#039;d you do that lol? Legit every listing I look at wants a degree (which I am pretty sure doesn&#039;t really teach digital marketing). Though I applied for a job recently, it&#039;s a startup. I pretty much manage their business, their online presence so I am pretty excited about that. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Good for you!<br /> <br /> Yup, startups are good places to pump up experience, and if you do it right, they&#039;ll earn more dough to pay you lol.<br /> <br /> On listings, I have said already that they want a certain fixed benchmark to pick the best man from the masses.<br /> <br /> IMO, I&#039;d rather just book a face-to-face appointment with the hiring guy, and then come in blazing with my portfolio or a live webinar/case study of a past marketing project.<br /> <br /> On creating great portfolios for digital marketing, there&#039;s a tip from Reddit I found recently...<br /> <br /> To practice and build up a track record of results, find an affiliate product from places like Clickbank and promote it using what skills you have, be it copywriting, SEO, graphic design, etc.<br /> <br /> Then check the dashboard or data stats for how many click-thru rates/ opt-ins/ conversions/ whatever measure of performance, take a snapshot of it, write a short and sweet report on it, and you have some results to show.<br /> <br /> I haven&#039;t tried it yet, but sounds feasible, although it&#039;s no Fastlane. Just a more proactive means to an end.</div>

 

[eliquid]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 50416" data-quote="LiveEntrepreneur" data-source="post: 772063" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=772063" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-772063">LiveEntrepreneur said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> How&#039;d you do that lol? Legit every listing I look at wants a degree (which I am pretty sure doesn&#039;t really teach digital marketing). Though I applied for a job recently, it&#039;s a startup. I pretty much manage their business, their online presence so I am pretty excited about that. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I just applied for the jobs, same as you.<br /> <br /> My resume never included college ( although I have SOME college experience ) and in the interview it was never asked if I have a degree.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ve done this several times in the past when I was working for others. I was able to land some pretty high end jobs doing this. I can count at least 8 jobs this same exact process happened.<br /> <br /> Never once did anyone ask about a degree.</div>

 

[Thiago Machado]

<div class="bbWrapper">Get this:<br /> <br /> <a href="https://indemandcareer.com/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">The #1 Digital Marketing Career Guide - From $0 to $60K in 1 Year</a><br /> <br /> It’s $90 and he teaches you how to do that.<br /> <br /> On a side note:<br /> <br /> 1. Do digital marketing for yourself or a client and document every step of the process. That will give you a solid case study to show employers. It&#039;s much better to SHOW instead of tell.<br /> <br /> 2. Get certified: companies know that colleges do a bad job of teaching people real world skills. All major digital marketing certifications are free too. I recommend you get the following.<br /> <br /> Hubspot Inbound marketing: <a href="https://academy.hubspot.com/courses/inbound" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Courses &amp; Lessons | HubSpot Academy</a><br /> <br /> Google AdWords: <a href="https://landing.google.com/academyforads/#?modal_active=none" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Google Academy for Ads - Digital Training from Google</a><br /> <br /> Google Analytics: <a href="https://analytics.google.com/analytics/academy/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Google Analytics Academy</a><br /> <br /> If you have proof that you can do the job and certifications from Google and Hubspot, you’ll stand out from 99% of people who are applying for an entry level digital marketing job.<br /> <br /> Note: I would also focus on getting a role in PPC. There’s a lot of job openings, not many people are good at it, and it’s one of the best skills you can have.<br /> <br /> There’s tons of stuff from <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/16090/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="16090" data-username="@eliquid">@eliquid</a> and <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/23590/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="23590" data-username="@Andy Black">@Andy Black</a> here on the forum.</div>

 

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[LiveEntrepreneur]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23591" data-quote="Thiago Machado" data-source="post: 772088" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=772088" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-772088">Thiago Machado said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Get this:<br /> <br /> <a href="https://indemandcareer.com/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">The #1 Digital Marketing Career Guide - From $0 to $60K in 1 Year</a><br /> <br /> It’s $90 and he teaches you how to do that.<br /> <br /> On a side note:<br /> <br /> 1. Do digital marketing for yourself or a client and document every step of the process. That will give you a solid case study to show employers. It&#039;s much better to SHOW instead of tell.<br /> <br /> 2. Get certified: companies know that colleges do a bad job of teaching people real world skills. All major digital marketing certifications are free too. I recommend you get the following.<br /> <br /> Hubspot Inbound marketing: <a href="https://academy.hubspot.com/courses/inbound" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Courses &amp; Lessons | HubSpot Academy</a><br /> <br /> Google AdWords: <a href="https://landing.google.com/academyforads/#?modal_active=none" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Google Academy for Ads - Digital Training from Google</a><br /> <br /> Google Analytics: <a href="https://analytics.google.com/analytics/academy/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Google Analytics Academy</a><br /> <br /> If you have proof that you can do the job and certifications from Google and Hubspot, you’ll stand out from 99% of people who are applying for an entry level digital marketing job.<br /> <br /> Note: I would also focus on getting a role in PPC. There’s a lot of job openings, not many people are good at it, and it’s one of the best skills you can have.<br /> <br /> There’s tons of stuff from <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/16090/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="16090" data-username="@eliquid">@eliquid</a> and <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/23590/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="23590" data-username="@Andy Black">@Andy Black</a> here on the forum. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I see what you&#039;re trying to say. I did mention courses that I did take, but I don&#039;t think they see it as valuable but I&#039;ll check out that. The problem is for a lot of listing it says in the description like this:<br /> <br /> * Marketing degree (required)<br /> <br /> Maybe in terms of jobs in America it&#039;s different to Australia?</div>

 

[GoodluckChuck]

<div class="bbWrapper">I run a digital marketing agency without a degree.<br /> <br /> I hire people to do parts of the business and a degree isnt even a thought.<br /> <br /> A lot of the digital marketing job ads I&#039;ve seen explicitly say degree or applicable experience...<br /> <br /> Not sure where you&#039;re looking but jobs are everywhere and easy to get If you can prove past results...</div>

 

[amp0193]

<div class="bbWrapper">I need to hire a digital marketer sometime in the next year.<br /> <br /> I don&#039;t care if you went to college. It won&#039;t even be on the job posting.<br /> <br /> I do care that they are clearly competent in all areas of digital marketing (with experience and references to back that up). As well as being able to answer every question that I grill you about.</div>

 

[Thiago Machado]

<div class="bbWrapper">What <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/16059/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="16059" data-username="@amp0193">@amp0193</a> and <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/45701/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="45701" data-username="@GoodluckChuck">@GoodluckChuck</a> said...<br /> <br /> They put <i>&quot;marketing degree required&quot;</i> just so they can stop getting B.S. resumes.<br /> <br /> You&#039;d be surprised how many people apply with no credentials, results, and nothing to show for. They just spam job boards and hope something sticks.<br /> <br /> By putting <i>&quot;marketing degree required&quot;</i> they eliminate a lot of these people.<br /> <br /> Just remember this:<br /> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Digital marketing is based on results.</li> </ul><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If you have proven results and show that you know your stuff- nobody cares if you have a degree.</li> </ul><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Colleges do a terrible job of teaching these skills (SEO + PPC)<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Most of them don&#039;t even teach these things...</li> </ul>If you&#039;re still in doubt, just get the course I linked above.<br /> <br /> The guy literally shows you how to get a job in this field without a degree.<br /> <br /> That pretty much solves your problem...</div>

 

[rogue synthetic]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 50416" data-quote="LiveEntrepreneur" data-source="post: 772575" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=772575" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-772575">LiveEntrepreneur said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I see what you&#039;re trying to say. I did mention courses that I did take, but I don&#039;t think they see it as valuable but I&#039;ll check out that. The problem is for a lot of listing it says in the description like this:<br /> <br /> * Marketing degree (required)<br /> <br /> Maybe in terms of jobs in America it&#039;s different to Australia? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> They say this to filter out the people who don&#039;t have the creativity or the drive to come up with a solution to this obstacle.<br /> <br /> Think about this from the hiring manager&#039;s point of view. <br /> <br /> Most of the applications are lukewarm to awful. Bland CVs, sleep-inducing generic lists of accomplishments and degrees and hobbies nobody cares about. But they&#039;ve got a degree. <br /> <br /> <i>You</i> find a way to demonstrate that you can not only do the job but blow it away...and you show the manager that you are the best candidate on the list, that you&#039;ve got experience and the skill, and that he&#039;s going to have zero problems turning you loose on his problems. <br /> <br /> Do you think you won&#039;t get the job? <br /> <br /> Disclaimer: there are corporate HR goons out there who actually won&#039;t hire you or even consider you without the degree. But if you&#039;re playing the numbers game like you should be, if you really are qualified for the job <b>and show this in your application</b> then you&#039;ll get interviews.</div>

 

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[NewManRising]

<div class="bbWrapper">Start freelancing. I have no degree and only like 4-5 months experience and I write ads, social media posts, emails and a whole bunch of other things for companies. I have a guy right now wanting me to create and run his social media accounts for him. You&#039;re trying to go through the slow lane route.</div>

 

[NewManRising]

<div class="bbWrapper">Hey LiveEntrepreneur,<br /> If you would like some tips and strategies now to get started like I am, I&#039;d be willing to give you some pointers.<br /> <br /> My degree is in Biology and I was building a career with that. I decided to do something else and learning copywriting and marketing is starting from the ground up for me. <br /> <br /> I have had some success. And after just a few months I am making money and gettting better. Bigger things are on the horizon I can just see it. <br /> <br /> Right now I am just hustling and learning. But I am trying to actually move more into a building stage to where I have an actual business. Anyway, if you would like some insights and some strategies to get moving, I am here to help you with that.</div>

 

[amp0193]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23591" data-quote="Thiago Machado" data-source="post: 772719" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=772719" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-772719">Thiago Machado said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> By putting <i>&quot;marketing degree required&quot;</i> they eliminate a lot of these people. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> There&#039;s other ways to eliminate people too, if you&#039;re hiring and don&#039;t care about the college thing.<br /> <br /> My customer service position I recently hired included 2 gotchas in the posting.<br /> <br /> 1. Send me a direct email at <a href="mailto:email@url.com">email@url.com</a> with subject line XXXX.<br /> 2. Include a video introduction explaining why you&#039;re a good fit.<br /> <br /> Any applications sent through Indeed/Glassdoor/FB... auto-delete.<br /> <br /> Any emails with incorrect subject line, auto-delete.<br /> <br /> No video? auto-delete.<br /> <br /> <br /> Brought 1200 applicants down to about 40-50. And most of those were deleted within 3-5 seconds because they couldn&#039;t type a coherent email. Was left with maybe 10 I looked at more carefully. Interviewed 3. Hired 1.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> For the digital marketing application, my &quot;gotcha&quot; requirement would be something like: &quot;Attach a one page summary of the measurable results of how you improved someone&#039;s digital marketing&quot;. For example: Took conversion from X% to X% by doing [blank]. Reduced acquisition cost from $X to $X by doing [blank]. Increased instagram followers from X,XXX to XX,XXX by doing [blank].<br /> <br /> If you can&#039;t provide it, I don&#039;t want you.<br /> If you won&#039;t take the time to provide it, I don&#039;t want you.<br /> If you know what you&#039;re doing, and are excited to work for me... you&#039;ll have no problem putting it together.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> However, if you&#039;re applying for jobs, and the degree is a requirement... just make up a one page sell sheet like the above, and I bet people would pay attention to you.<br /> <br /> Better yet, make a video presentation, of you on a whiteboard or easel or powerpoint, doing a presentation on how awesome you are and what you&#039;ve done.<br /> <br /> You think that would make you stand out?</div>

 

[Thiago Machado]

<div class="bbWrapper"><i>Brought 1200 applicants down to about 40-50. And most of those were deleted within 3-5 seconds because they couldn&#039;t type a coherent email. Was left with maybe 10 I looked at more carefully. Interviewed 3. Hired 1.</i><br /> <br /> <br /> That&#039;s insane...</div>

 

[Chipstix]

<div class="bbWrapper">maybe in an employed &quot;marketing&quot; role, in a big corporate, they&#039;ll be asking for a degree. But those are real &quot;jobs&quot; and definitely do not bring the sort of lifestyle that you can have with freelance work or running your own agency. A job, even if well paid, is not scaleable and definitely not a fastlane aspiration.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ve been freelancing in digital marketing for 12 years, and not a single client asked nor cared that I left school with only flakey GCSE&#039;s and no college/university. I left school and got practical experience, first in sales and later in IM. In fact, most of what I&#039;m doing now in marketing is stuff I highly doubt they would teach at uni anyway. Uni for marketing would be a timewaster, you&#039;d still need to start from square one when you actually started doing it for real, rather than in a textbook.<br /> <br /> The best way to get a high paying client(s) in marketing is simply by doing. Market yourself: SEO? Anyone can build a website or two - but not many people can actually rank them. So do it - if you can demonstrate that you have currently ranking sites, its any easy proof of skill and a quick way to get hired. PPC? run a clever targeting/retargeting campaign that will catch the eye of your audience and follow them around. Content creation? Write articles that the people you want to work with would love reading. <br /> <br /> All of this can be done without university. You can learn everything you need from the right corners of the interwebs, in a fraction of the time.</div>

 

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[Chipstix]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Brought 1200 applicants down to about 40-50. And most of those were deleted within 3-5 seconds because they couldn&#039;t type a coherent email. Was left with maybe 10 I looked at more carefully. Interviewed 3. Hired 1. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> The prop trading firm I worked with in London had an interesting trader applicant filter: <br /> 1000 applications on the desk. Divide by two, pick one pile, chuck straight into the bin... because, in financial trading, you don&#039;t want to hire someone who&#039;s unlucky!</div>

 

[James Klymus]

<div class="bbWrapper">I&#039;ve gotten multiple interviews with marketing agencies and no college experience. They were small to medium sized agencies, So don&#039;t expect to apply to somewhere like Oglivy without some sort of credentials and past experience.<br /> <br /> With that being said, write a solid resume (that doesn&#039;t mention anything about college), Make sure to only put things that are relevant to the potential position. A lot of people put hobbies and other irrelevent things.<br /> <br /> At the end of the day, the reason a company hires you is the same reason a customer buys a product. We solve a problem for a company, and you are a product that will do so. As long as you can solve the problem for the company, then its irrelevant where you received education.<br /> <br /> Any company that is so far up their a$$ that they require a college degree to work there no matter what, probably isnt a good company to work for anyways.</div>

 

[NewManRising]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 5478" data-quote="Chipstix" data-source="post: 773136" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=773136" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-773136">Chipstix said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> The best way to get a high paying client(s) in marketing is simply by doing. Market yourself: SEO? Anyone can build a website or two - but not many people can actually rank them. So do it - if you can demonstrate that you have currently ranking sites, its any easy proof of skill and a quick way to get hired. PPC? run a clever targeting/retargeting campaign that will catch the eye of your audience and follow them around. Content creation? Write articles that the people you want to work with would love reading.<br /> <br /> All of this can be done without university. You can learn everything you need from the right corners of the interwebs, in a fraction of the time. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> The cool thing is, when you&#039;re self-taught you can create your own &quot;curriculum&quot;. When you go to college most of the shit is general ed and lame stuff you won&#039;t use anyway. For my biology degree, there were only like 6-7 classes out of like the 30 I took that were focused on my major.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ve learned so much in 4-5 months of learning copywriting and marketing that I would at any university. I can choose the material I want to learn, at my pace, and I can freelance and earn money at the same time.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ll tell you, the more complex the problem the bigger the rewards. Instead of just writing a few emails, social media posts, or product descriptions, I can take it a step further and offer to build people&#039;s email campaigns (templates, automation, segementation, etc). Or, take over someone&#039;s whole social media account.<br /> <br /> This is when things start getting good and good money starts rolling in. Right now, I am just a small time freelancer that gets a few jobs weekly. It is basically people outsourcing boring tasks to me.<br /> <br /> My next step is learn email marketing or social media management really well. Then, I will focus on big projects.<br /> <br /> You just have to start out small. Have the minimum skill and put yourself out there. You gotta hustle your a$$ for small pay in the beginning but then it starts to grow. You also learn a ton during the process.</div>

 

[Sanj Modha]

<div class="bbWrapper">Proven results &gt; degree.<br /> <br /> My degree is useless now because I earn 10 times as much without it.</div>

 

[MitchC]

<div class="bbWrapper">I saw free certifications above and notice Facebook blueprint was left out. I saw a job advertised recently that had it as an advantage to have done it so there’s something else you can do. <br /> <br /> If you’ve got some money maybe build a store and run some ads and use it as a case study if you don’t want to or can’t get a client as an example to use.<br /> <br /> It shouldn’t matter if it isn’t profitable it will show you can do it and are willing to</div>

 

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[ZF Lee]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 38068" data-quote="Sanj Modha" data-source="post: 773197" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=773197" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-773197">Sanj Modha said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Proven results &gt; degree.<br /> <br /> My degree is useless now because I earn 10 times as much without it. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I&#039;m looking forward to every next increase in freelance dollars to make paying for degrees laughable.<br /> <br /> Gives me quite some &#039;evil&#039; satisfaction to work until 4am.<img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" /></div>

 

[rjrobbins2]

<div class="bbWrapper">I am 6 credit hours from my Bachelors degree and dont plan to finish. I have always applied for jobs that required a degree and while I often dont get contacted, I have gotten jobs due to my experience and interview on jobs that said a degree is required. Most of these were with Fortune 500 companies.<br /> <br /> It is possible but it will likely require experience on par with the degree and then nailing the interview.<br /> <br /> Digital Marketing is in high demand. As others have said, I would see about getting your own clients. There are non-profits you could likely do work for pro bono to build a portfolio.</div>

 

[Oliviero93]

<div class="bbWrapper">Hi,<br /> <br /> I&#039;m collaborating in remote for a marketing company in Sydney. <br /> I&#039;m working for free.<br /> Is it a good idea to ask to build a portfolio of projects after two-three weeks of collaboration or start immediately?<br /> I desire to acquire their trust before.<br /> <br /> Thanks</div>

 

[TonyStark]

<div class="bbWrapper">Nope. I just got one, and I dropped out.<br /> <br /> Ask around, and go to hiring events.</div>