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I know this business is supposed to be hard. I expected that.

I know business is supposed to be expensive. I expected that.

I know there's going to be a significant learning curve. I expected that.

What I did not expect, was to encounter all 3 of those things, all the time, the entire time.
All of these excuses sound homosexual. Nothing wrong with liking men...we can help you adjust your strategy based on your need for things to be low cost, easier to execute on, and have a shorter learning curve.

How about this:
  1. Create a new gmail address.
  2. Click on all the ads and newsletter subscriptions that you see online. Sign up for their newsletters. Aim for minimum 100 new sign ups each day.
  3. Within a few days you'll notice a bunch of them are going to spam.
  4. Call or email them and tell them that their marketing emails are going to spam, but you can help them get them get out of it. They're missing out on thousands of dollars in revenue if they don't fix this.
  5. Charge them 50% up front then the remaining 50% upon successful completion. Or charge only at the end if you want to increase your close rate. Don't worry about them not paying you upon completion...just send them back to spam if they try that move.
  6. At this point they already trust you so upsell them to some monthly shit. Do a broker deal for funnel building with Fox or Google Ads with Andy. Split the profits.
Learning how to get them out of spam should take 1 day maximum. This is not rocket science. You should have sales within 1 week if you just MOVE. Aim for $5k in 7 days.

Most will read this post and do nothing. Be that guy who turns it into something.

Break down the numbers. Pretend you signed up for 700 newsletters after 1 week and 10% were going to spam. Do you really think all 70 would have no interest in getting out of spam? Your success is mathematically guaranteed...you just have to get out of your own way(and this is the real battle btw. Master yourself).

I'm not a huge fan of Hormozi, but this one is forever true:
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Click on all the ads and newsletter subscriptions that you see online. Sign up for their newsletters. Aim for minimum 100 new sign ups each day.

commenting because I like this idea.

I asked ChatGPT if there were any centralized databases with this information. I'll ask Gemini Deep Research, but that takes 10 minutes and I'm an American and I refuse to wait for anything when I can have it immediately.

Prompt: "I want to find a list of companies that have email news letters. are there any databases that already have that information? bonus points if the database is free"

https://milled.com/ - A search engine for email newsletters and ecommerce

BuiltWith (https://builtwith.com/)​

  • What it is: Shows you what technologies a website uses.
  • Use it to find: Sites that use email marketing tools like MailCheat(Chimp), Klaviyo, ActiveCampaign.
  • Free version gives limited data; paid version allows bulk domain analysis.

Example: Search for all websites using MailCheat(Chimp) → you know they likely have newsletters.



Bonus Ideas (Free DIY Methods)​

  • Use a web scraper (like Scrapy or Browserless) to detect pages with terms like newsletter, subscribe, join our mailing list.
  • Focus on specific industries or categories.

Search:

site:.com inurl:subscribe OR inurl:newsletter

This will show websites with public-facing newsletter signups.


Add niches like:


"marketing newsletter" site:.com inurl:subscribe
"join our newsletter" site:coaching inurl:subscribe



Paid Tools (for completeness)​


  • Apollo.io – Enriches companies with tech stack and marketing info. Can filter by marketing technologies.
  • SimilarTech / Datanyze / Siftery – Tracks email tech tools used on sites (MailCheat(Chimp), ConvertKit, etc.).
  • Clearbit / ZoomInfo – Expensive, but has deep B2B enrichment, including email marketing tech usage and job roles.

Here's Google Gemini's Deep Research on how to get your newsletter out of spam:


Here's Google Gemini's Deep Research on Identifying Companies with Email Newsletters: A Guide to Databases and Tools:

 
All of these excuses sound homosexual. Nothing wrong with liking men...we can help you adjust your strategy based on your need for things to be low cost, easier to execute on, and have a shorter learning curve.

How about this:
  1. Create a new gmail address.
  2. Click on all the ads and newsletter subscriptions that you see online. Sign up for their newsletters. Aim for minimum 100 new sign ups each day.
  3. Within a few days you'll notice a bunch of them are going to spam.
  4. Call or email them and tell them that their marketing emails are going to spam, but you can help them get them get out of it. They're missing out on thousands of dollars in revenue if they don't fix this.
  5. Charge them 50% up front then the remaining 50% upon successful completion. Or charge only at the end if you want to increase your close rate. Don't worry about them not paying you upon completion...just send them back to spam if they try that move.
  6. At this point they already trust you so upsell them to some monthly shit. Do a broker deal for funnel building with Fox or Google Ads with Andy. Split the profits.
Learning how to get them out of spam should take 1 day maximum. This is not rocket science. You should have sales within 1 week if you just MOVE. Aim for $5k in 7 days.

Most will read this post and do nothing. Be that guy who turns it into something.

Break down the numbers. Pretend you signed up for 700 newsletters after 1 week and 10% were going to spam. Do you really think all 70 would have no interest in getting out of spam? Your success is mathematically guaranteed...you just have to get out of your own way(and this is the real battle btw. Master yourself).

I'm not a huge fan of Hormozi, but this one is forever true:
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You know what?

For funsies, sure, why the f*** not at this point.

My initial assumption is that the people answering my emails or calls will be minimum wage call center workers who will tell me to f*** off when I try to sell them something rather than use whatever they're advertising to me, but what do I know.
 
My initial assumption is that the people answering my emails or calls will be minimum wage call center workers who will tell me to f*** off when I try to sell them something rather than use whatever they're advertising to me, but what do I know.
My brother in Christ, I say this with the utmost respect. I think your mindset has room for improvement. Don't make assumptions, just live in the NOW and make moves based on the present moment.

If you get a response from a call center worker, will you give up and say the blueprint I laid out for you doesn't work? Or would you find a way to reach the decision maker who can actually send you money?

I can show you how to find the decision makers. That's actually one of the easiest parts of sales. But that's not what's important....your mindset is the key to unlock the treasure chest.

Just humor me out for a bit and read these every morning when you wake up and before bed at night. Let it re-wire your thoughts until it sinks into your subconscious. I swear on everything this is the key that everyone is missing. All the strategies and tactics don't work if your thoughts are sabotaging you.

Paradigm #1: You are not your body or your thoughts or your senses or your mind, you are what lies beyond that. You are awareness, you are God, you are the Universe, you are consciousness, you are a figment of the universe experiencing Itself.

Paradigm #2: Everyone and everything is God. We are all one. But we’re all dressed up as different characters and acting out different roles because all of Life is one big play/game.

Paradigm #3: There is nothing outside you. You are all of it. Which means there is fundamentally nothing to be afraid of in this game of life.

Paradigm #4: The objective of life is to enjoy the experience (good or bad) and have fun. There is no greater purpose than that.

Paradigm #5: Life is a play, full of infinite probabilities for experience (because the experiences are you just as much as you are you. There is no separation). You call forward the experience you want to experience via your thoughts, words, actions.

Paradigm #6: Nothing is good or bad in the Universe. It’s all an experience. It’s all a part of the Play of Life. Break your delusions. Enjoy the experiences (good or bad). And play whatever role is before you.

Paradigm #7: How to play: Use the God inside you to control your character/ego-mind. Make it dance. Do not let your ego-mind control you.

Paradigm #8: You can only live from God-Mode by living in the Now. Everything else is an illusion. Be fully here now. And play/create from this place with your thoughts, words, actions. It’s the only thing you have to do.

Paradigm #9: Death isn’t what you think it is. When you die, your Ego-You/character dies. But the God inside you lives on and returns back to Earth in a new body suit, acting out the role of a different character (because the play of life must go on).
 
And yet, you get pissed off at me ANY time I ask you EXACTLY how you'd do it.
If you literally just stepped away from the computer and walked down the street and knocked on doors you would get 2 sales today.

You could charge them their first months payment tonight and have $300+ by the end of the day

And do the same tomorrow.

How many doors have you knocked since he said this on Tuesday?
 
I think it works if it aligns with something you're already doing.

I did this because I lacked direction and figured I could follow instructions and persevere because I knew it would eventually work. That kinda falls apart after a while when the person giving instructions constantly tells you you're f***ing stupid when you ask for them.
Have you tried using chatgpt?

If you have issue figuring out equipments and how to do an on site physical job properly you can take photos of everything and upload into it and get the answers.
 
Have you tried using chatgpt?

If you have issue figuring out equipments and how to do an on site physical job properly you can take photo of everything and upload into it and get the answers.
youtube also a great resource.
 
All of these excuses sound homosexual. Nothing wrong with liking men...we can help you adjust your strategy based on your need for things to be low cost, easier to execute on, and have a shorter learning curve.

How about this:
  1. Create a new gmail address.
  2. Click on all the ads and newsletter subscriptions that you see online. Sign up for their newsletters. Aim for minimum 100 new sign ups each day.
  3. Within a few days you'll notice a bunch of them are going to spam.
  4. Call or email them and tell them that their marketing emails are going to spam, but you can help them get them get out of it. They're missing out on thousands of dollars in revenue if they don't fix this.
  5. Charge them 50% up front then the remaining 50% upon successful completion. Or charge only at the end if you want to increase your close rate. Don't worry about them not paying you upon completion...just send them back to spam if they try that move.
  6. At this point they already trust you so upsell them to some monthly shit. Do a broker deal for funnel building with Fox or Google Ads with Andy. Split the profits.
Learning how to get them out of spam should take 1 day maximum. This is not rocket science. You should have sales within 1 week if you just MOVE. Aim for $5k in 7 days.

Most will read this post and do nothing. Be that guy who turns it into something.

Break down the numbers. Pretend you signed up for 700 newsletters after 1 week and 10% were going to spam. Do you really think all 70 would have no interest in getting out of spam? Your success is mathematically guaranteed...you just have to get out of your own way(and this is the real battle btw. Master yourself).

I'm not a huge fan of Hormozi, but this one is forever true:
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This is an actual paying skill: email list manager

Where you not only write their copy-- you start planning the 'bigger picture' of email inflows for them. For me, this was the most logical step to move up on especially when I got my first break with email gigs (and escape the cheapo freelancer trap)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHEWq_mYrw0


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpUlhWfTv2A


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvJhhQ9jl3k


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6fTsC1bnc&t=136s


Troy Ericson and Chris Orz have some good free material on YT to start with.

Once OP earns better bucks with the free stuff, he can go pick up their paid mentorships.

Also if the companies aren't doing SMS,WhatsApp or Telegram marketing (especially reactivations/reminders)...have them do it.
Very short messages under 1000 characters --but effective.
I usually do 1 hook + 1 feature + CTA
Or sometimes as short as 1 hook + CTA

I had one client tell me despite the ongoing copy load from me, the one thing he will pay attention to first is the SMS/Telegram copy.

It's pulling in 30-50% show-ups for their free seminars so far. Hearing the industry norm is usually 10-25%.

If they decided to send more WhatsApp messages especially in the final hours/mins leading to the event, I think the numbers would get better.


My initial assumption is that the people answering my emails or calls will be minimum wage call center workers who will tell me to f*** off when I try to sell them something rather than use whatever they're advertising to me, but what do I know.
If you do find one...then they've filtered themselves out.
 
You know what?

For funsies, sure, why the f*** not at this point.

My initial assumption is that the people answering my emails or calls will be minimum wage call center workers who will tell me to f*** off when I try to sell them something rather than use whatever they're advertising to me, but what do I know.
Lol

Why not add another 50 random business ideas to the list of things you are working on

Just go and mow some lawns

I can’t believe people are encouraging you to go into coaching

Also for anyone reading this if you have a mentor, don’t ask them shit that you can google, don’t ask them shit before you’ve tried to solve it yourself, go to them with something you can’t solve on your own that you’ve already tried to solve

Asking someone who runs a lawn care company whether or not you should put roundup on someone’s lawn is diabolical

It would be like having dinner with jay z and asking how to plug a microphone in
 
Just humor me out for a bit and read these every morning when you wake up and before bed at night. Let it re-wire your thoughts until it sinks into your subconscious. I swear on everything this is the key that everyone is missing. All the strategies and tactics don't work if your thoughts are sabotaging you.

This list is good.

One other thing I'd to it - whatever shit you've been through, whatever horrible screwups you've made, whatever messed up thoughts you have about yourself, whatever humiliations you've experienced - you can just let all of it go and move on and build a great life.
 
My initial assumption is that the people answering my emails or calls will be minimum wage call center workers who will tell me to f*** off when I try to sell them something
Can't remember exactly where I heard this piece of advice, but: "never accept a 'no' from someone who doesn't have the authority to give you a 'yes'."
 
This list is good.

One other thing I'd to it - whatever shit you've been through, whatever horrible screwups you've made, whatever messed up thoughts you have about yourself, whatever humiliations you've experienced - you can just let all of it go and move on and build a great life.
Honestly I myself have a hard time letting things go--especially when I tried my best to do good and it didn't work out.

It just sticks with me. The perils of a good memory?

So I try to see bad events as 'hints' or 'prep material' that could fuel me physically, emotionally, spiritually for tougher challenges ahead.

I think this is why many of us have taken to reading biographies of men and women who came before us, suffered much...but achieved very much.

My recent fave was Harriet Tubman, who was born into slavery. Slave masters kept using the Bible to convince them to stay obedient and lowly. Many still do this in various ways today, But in true UNSCRIPTED fashion, she refused to stay beaten down and re-read the same Holy Writ to realise seeking liberation was ALSO an option.

That led her to escape slavery...establish the Underground Railroad to save 300 slaves...was the first lady in US history to lead an army operation...and a pioneer of womens' rights. That's an amazing life lived there!
 
youtube also a great resource.
YouTube generally has a wealth of good knowledge, but I prefer ChatGPT these days for fixing stuff.

I can take a picture of my head and ask it how to style my hair, it will take into consideration my head shape, for instance, and make a suitable recommendation.

I find it good for hands-on tasks.
 
You know what?

For funsies, sure, why the f*** not at this point.

My initial assumption is that the people answering my emails or calls will be minimum wage call center workers who will tell me to f*** off when I try to sell them something rather than use whatever they're advertising to me, but what do I know.
Op, you need to be optimistic.

IceCreamKid literally handed you a money printing machine. But it won’t turn on until you are positive.

Assume the next call is your next client.

He’s just begging for someone to help him.

He’s going to jump up and down with glee when you tell him you can make him 1000s of bucks with your idea.

Infact, wouldn’t that make you an a**hole? If you had a way to generate 1000s for this guy but you didn’t call him??

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When I started my web design business, I cold called 50 landscapers.

I thought they’d tell me to F off. Not a single one did, they were all perfectly nice.

They even said “thanks for calling!” Lol

Eventually, I sold a site to one of these guys for 300 pounds.

Since then, that site has helped him earn 1000s for his business.

I bet he’s glad I called him that day.

So… be optimistic! Someone out there needs you!
 
To add to the other advice in the thread, I think it's worth outlining "why" you are experiencing what you are (your situation is not uncommon - you're just being overly anxious about it). If you zoom out, it may help you see what you're doing more objectively.

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Ultimately, I believe there are 5 steps to entrepreneurial success: -

1. Mindset <-- FTE, MJ's books, "waking up"
2. Belief <-- becoming attuned to your limits, understanding what you need to work on, reframing failure as building experience
3. Hustle <-- you are here
4. Product <-- you'll develop a system in #3 which can be packaged into a product to sell (this is where you start to build a "real" business)
5. Scale <-- sometimes a product from #4 will go parabolic, which is where the big numbers come from

It seems you are in #3 but have not done much work on #1 or #2.

The result is you are doubting yourself (#2) whilst also being confused about whether you're "on the right path" (#1).

To fix it, you need to develop "independent value".

This is value you develop in yourself, which is not tied to external factors, such as a job or industry.

It is what I've found to sit at the heart of most business success stories, and is why most people fail to build one... they have no value outside of their job, so they jump onto external trends/factors to compensate.

Whilst I don't think this is a huge problem for you, what does seem to be the case is your lack of self belief is preventing you from honing the one thing that really matters in the lawncare thing - outreach. @Johnny boy hasn't really built a lawncare company, but a leads generation company. It just so happens he's selling lawncare services, but he could switch that to other things.

In your case, you're currently trying to get that rolling. You don't need to be the best lawncare guy in the world. You do, however, need to have a strong grasp of where you are getting your leads from, and you need to constantly innovate on how to generate more of them as inexpensively as possible. Mr. Bjerk has done that in a variety of ways, including the mass text/voicemail thing.

Actually delivering the work should be easy. The primary focus needs to be on getting a system set up where you are able to blast ads, get leads, follow up with the leads and have them put into some sort of system that allows you to manage their account. The cheaper you get the leads, and the more efficient you are in delivering the work, the more profit you make.

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Regarding the "hustle" phase - your calling may not be lawncare.

In my case, I always felt compelled to use computers.

Whilst I'd have no issue doing lawncare, I always felt a natural draw to sit at a computer. This eventually lead me to write code.

I don't consider myself a "coder". I'm more an artist, but I could never shake the computer thing, so kept at it. Over time, I tried a lot of different business projects - all of which used the Internet or code as a base.

At the time, I thought I was building a marketing company but, after looking back, it's pretty clear that I was actually building up my software acumen, which I'm still doing now. I have 100's of ideas I want to pursue. Obviously, they all need money, which is why I'm still grinding.

Each time I embark on a new idea, I always frame it in the context of what I can do to force myself to grow with it. There's always "one" thing you can focus on with a project. I think the "hustle" phase is best used as a means to expose yourself to as many ideas/pursuits as possible in a business context. If you do enough projects, you'll eventually find that 5/10 won't make any money, 3/10 will break even or make a small amount of profit, 1/10 will do "OK" and 1/10 will be a runaway success.

When you find "the one", you should double-down on it and focus everything on becoming the best at it.

The lawncare side of things for you is likely going to teach you a lot about lead generation, outreach, advertising etc. It may not make a lot of money for you. If that's the case, that's fine. Just move onto a new project and use the experience you gained to push yourself in a new direction.

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Anyway, I've decided what I'm going to do:
  • Continue working on getting customers for the lawn care business, maybe reducing my reliance on throwing money at ads, and seeing what I come away with by the time I expect to stop getting sales, probably around August-October
  • Work on building a personal dating/confidence coaching brand during the hours that wouldn't interfere with my lawn business or full-time job. With an emphasis on minimizing costs, being mostly online, and monetizing when/if I get traction and start building an audience

I would ditch the second one of these - the likelihood that you're going to get any meaningful results from it (for the time you invest) is minimal. Personal brands are not worth much and you're unlikely to get traction considering the way the market works.

For the first one - is there anything you can do to expedite the process? Can you set any specific goals on how many leads you want to generate? Perhaps something like... "I want to generate 100 leads by the end of August", and then work towards trying to make that a reality?

Try and ignore the money side of it for the time being. Put money from your job into the business to facilitate the goal. Business expenses are a tax write-off. If you make a loss, the loss can be carried forward to offset future profits. Your primary focus should be on a) getting leads b) getting the price paid for each lead as low as you can. The costs associated with that will be your moat.

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I'm sure I'll incur the wrath of the forum for speaking against you but at this point, I don't really care.

You don't have the patience and charity you claim to have.

I asked you how you would handle a customer with X problem and as usual, you tell me to f*** off, figure it out, but for the last time.

I think you need to only work with people who are already doing this business and need help scaling - not somebody new who was looking to get started.

At the start of this whole thing I told you I didn't have any experience with these tools or this business, and that I was working within constraints of my paycheck and time at my job - almost every time I asked you a question for clarification, or to get your opinion, anything...was met with some variation of "are you f***ing stupid" or "f***ing figure it out" or "you're f***ing dumb, dude." I figured it was smarter to ask you a question BEFORE I did something dumb, rather than AFTER, as in with the RoundUp weed killer.

You told me to follow this EXACTLY how you instruct, because you said you couldn't help me if I did anything different than how you did it. And yet, you get pissed off at me ANY time I ask you EXACTLY how you'd do it.

I appreciate that the $1,000 you charged was a one-time expense, as I did assume that it would be a monthly fee and was willing to pay that. But beyond that, man...

Spending all my money I'd saved up, failing constantly while learning new skills, being late to the party because of those constraints, AND having you constantly tell me how f***ing terrible I am every time I ask a question, despite you telling me to follow your advice EXACTLY?

What a f***ing wonderful environment to learn a new business in...I did something good? You say "cool." I made a mistake or asked you a question? "dude why are you so f***ing dumb?"

I'm sure you'll continue to be successful with your lawn business, and may even be successful coaching ALREADY ESTABLISHED lawn companies, but yeah, like you said, you're an a**.

You need to reach out to competent professionals with specific requests.

If you want to know about how to sort out a lawn, why not pay a professional gardener $200 to give you instructions? The $200 will be a tax write-off and if you don't have the money, put in some overtime at work to get it.

Johnathan is doing well for himself but there's a limit on the help he can provide. I wouldn't trust his advice for anything other than figuring out ways to build up lead flow from the likes of Craigslist.
 
Relevant thread - GOLD! - HOT! - How Do I [NOT] Scale My Personal Training Business Significantly?

Before we turn this into another 20 page fiasco of much of the same, OP runs away from the forum and we all say "knew it"...

OP, you have everything you need to go from here. You need to right your ship and then come back here with a solid progress update on whatever it is you decide to do. Share some value back when you are ready. 3 pages of high level advice, different opinions, and lots of direction. Now let's see what you can produce.
 
My brother in Christ, I say this with the utmost respect. I think your mindset has room for improvement. Don't make assumptions, just live in the NOW and make moves based on the present moment.

If you get a response from a call center worker, will you give up and say the blueprint I laid out for you doesn't work? Or would you find a way to reach the decision maker who can actually send you money?

I can show you how to find the decision makers. That's actually one of the easiest parts of sales. But that's not what's important....your mindset is the key to unlock the treasure chest.

Just humor me out for a bit and read these every morning when you wake up and before bed at night. Let it re-wire your thoughts until it sinks into your subconscious. I swear on everything this is the key that everyone is missing. All the strategies and tactics don't work if your thoughts are sabotaging you.

Paradigm #1: You are not your body or your thoughts or your senses or your mind, you are what lies beyond that. You are awareness, you are God, you are the Universe, you are consciousness, you are a figment of the universe experiencing Itself.

Paradigm #2: Everyone and everything is God. We are all one. But we’re all dressed up as different characters and acting out different roles because all of Life is one big play/game.

Paradigm #3: There is nothing outside you. You are all of it. Which means there is fundamentally nothing to be afraid of in this game of life.

Paradigm #4: The objective of life is to enjoy the experience (good or bad) and have fun. There is no greater purpose than that.

Paradigm #5: Life is a play, full of infinite probabilities for experience (because the experiences are you just as much as you are you. There is no separation). You call forward the experience you want to experience via your thoughts, words, actions.

Paradigm #6: Nothing is good or bad in the Universe. It’s all an experience. It’s all a part of the Play of Life. Break your delusions. Enjoy the experiences (good or bad). And play whatever role is before you.

Paradigm #7: How to play: Use the God inside you to control your character/ego-mind. Make it dance. Do not let your ego-mind control you.

Paradigm #8: You can only live from God-Mode by living in the Now. Everything else is an illusion. Be fully here now. And play/create from this place with your thoughts, words, actions. It’s the only thing you have to do.

Paradigm #9: Death isn’t what you think it is. When you die, your Ego-You/character dies. But the God inside you lives on and returns back to Earth in a new body suit, acting out the role of a different character (because the play of life must go on).

You're right, I'll internalize these. I've bookmarked the links from @WillHurtDontCare 's search to read through as well.

I was basing my assumption on the fact that if somebody called me at my job trying to sell me (or my boss) something, I would just hang up on them 99% of the time.

But like I said, that's my uneducated assumption. I'm still going to do it, as @FJ123 's response shows, these are just my biases.

How many doors have you knocked since he said this on Tuesday?

None. I have been working, and by the time I get home, it's nighttime. This is something I will do tomorrow and Sunday.

What I did do was follow up with my list of 69 leads from running the paid ads to see if I could get a conversion or two. So far, that hasn't given me any results. There was one prospect, which is the one I asked Johnny about, where it led to him dropping me, but I don't think she's going to commit.

The ads I'm running and pricing I'm presenting are identical to Johnny's, so maybe the disconnect is simply something that works where he is, doesn't work where I am, geographically. So maybe door knocking would be a better lead acquisition tool for me, who knows, guess I'll find out soon enough.

This is an actual paying skill: email list manager

Where you not only write their copy-- you start planning the 'bigger picture' of email inflows for them. For me, this was the most logical step to move up on especially when I got my first break with email gigs (and escape the cheapo freelancer trap)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHEWq_mYrw0


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpUlhWfTv2A


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvJhhQ9jl3k


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6fTsC1bnc&t=136s


Troy Ericson and Chris Orz have some good free material on YT to start with.

Once OP earns better bucks with the free stuff, he can go pick up their paid mentorships.

Also if the companies aren't doing SMS,WhatsApp or Telegram marketing (especially reactivations/reminders)...have them do it.
Very short messages under 1000 characters --but effective.
I usually do 1 hook + 1 feature + CTA
Or sometimes as short as 1 hook + CTA

I had one client tell me despite the ongoing copy load from me, the one thing he will pay attention to first is the SMS/Telegram copy.

It's pulling in 30-50% show-ups for their free seminars so far. Hearing the industry norm is usually 10-25%.

If they decided to send more WhatsApp messages especially in the final hours/mins leading to the event, I think the numbers would get better.



If you do find one...then they've filtered themselves out.

Thanks for these resources, I'll give those videos a watch.

Have you tried using chatgpt?

If you have issue figuring out equipments and how to do an on site physical job properly you can take photos of everything and upload into it and get the answers.
Lol

Why not add another 50 random business ideas to the list of things you are working on

Just go and mow some lawns

I can’t believe people are encouraging you to go into coaching

Also for anyone reading this if you have a mentor, don’t ask them shit that you can google, don’t ask them shit before you’ve tried to solve it yourself, go to them with something you can’t solve on your own that you’ve already tried to solve

Asking someone who runs a lawn care company whether or not you should put roundup on someone’s lawn is diabolical

It would be like having dinner with jay z and asking how to plug a microphone in

Yes, I'd used ChatGPT and YouTube extensively to try and figure out how to use the things I bought to do this job.

Look, a lot of this just boils down to "you don't know what you don't know." The RoundUP is a great example because Johnny had a shopping list of things I needed, and specifically recommended the concentrate version. So when I got a signup for a spray plan to do weed removal, I thought I already had the item needed to do it, only for him to call me a f***ing idiot for not knowing about selective herbicide, which he did not include in that shopping list.

Like I said before, I've mowed lawns, but that's it - all this extra lawn maintenance stuff is new to me. I asked for clarification on things before I made mistakes, and he didn't have the patience for that after a while. Simple as that.

To add to the other advice in the thread, I think it's worth outlining "why" you are experiencing what you are (your situation is not uncommon - you're just being overly anxious about it). If you zoom out, it may help you see what you're doing more objectively.

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Ultimately, I believe there are 5 steps to entrepreneurial success: -

1. Mindset <-- FTE, MJ's books, "waking up"
2. Belief <-- becoming attuned to your limits, understanding what you need to work on, reframing failure as building experience
3. Hustle <-- you are here
4. Product <-- you'll develop a system in #3 which can be packaged into a product to sell (this is where you start to build a "real" business)
5. Scale <-- sometimes a product from #4 will go parabolic, which is where the big numbers come from

It seems you are in #3 but have not done much work on #1 or #2.

The result is you are doubting yourself (#2) whilst also being confused about whether you're "on the right path" (#1).

To fix it, you need to develop "independent value".

This is value you develop in yourself, which is not tied to external factors, such as a job or industry.

It is what I've found to sit at the heart of most business success stories, and is why most people fail to build one... they have no value outside of their job, so they jump onto external trends/factors to compensate.

Whilst I don't think this is a huge problem for you, what does seem to be the case is your lack of self belief is preventing you from honing the one thing that really matters in the lawncare thing - outreach. @Johnny boy hasn't really built a lawncare company, but a leads generation company. It just so happens he's selling lawncare services, but he could switch that to other things.

In your case, you're currently trying to get that rolling. You don't need to be the best lawncare guy in the world. You do, however, need to have a strong grasp of where you are getting your leads from, and you need to constantly innovate on how to generate more of them as inexpensively as possible. Mr. Bjerk has done that in a variety of ways, including the mass text/voicemail thing.

Actually delivering the work should be easy. The primary focus needs to be on getting a system set up where you are able to blast ads, get leads, follow up with the leads and have them put into some sort of system that allows you to manage their account. The cheaper you get the leads, and the more efficient you are in delivering the work, the more profit you make.

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Regarding the "hustle" phase - your calling may not be lawncare.

In my case, I always felt compelled to use computers.

Whilst I'd have no issue doing lawncare, I always felt a natural draw to sit at a computer. This eventually lead me to write code.

I don't consider myself a "coder". I'm more an artist, but I could never shake the computer thing, so kept at it. Over time, I tried a lot of different business projects - all of which used the Internet or code as a base.

At the time, I thought I was building a marketing company but, after looking back, it's pretty clear that I was actually building up my software acumen, which I'm still doing now. I have 100's of ideas I want to pursue. Obviously, they all need money, which is why I'm still grinding.

Each time I embark on a new idea, I always frame it in the context of what I can do to force myself to grow with it. There's always "one" thing you can focus on with a project. I think the "hustle" phase is best used as a means to expose yourself to as many ideas/pursuits as possible in a business context. If you do enough projects, you'll eventually find that 5/10 won't make any money, 3/10 will break even or make a small amount of profit, 1/10 will do "OK" and 1/10 will be a runaway success.

When you find "the one", you should double-down on it and focus everything on becoming the best at it.

The lawncare side of things for you is likely going to teach you a lot about lead generation, outreach, advertising etc. It may not make a lot of money for you. If that's the case, that's fine. Just move onto a new project and use the experience you gained to push yourself in a new direction.

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I would ditch the second one of these - the likelihood that you're going to get any meaningful results from it (for the time you invest) is minimal. Personal brands are not worth much and you're unlikely to get traction considering the way the market works.

For the first one - is there anything you can do to expedite the process? Can you set any specific goals on how many leads you want to generate? Perhaps something like... "I want to generate 100 leads by the end of August", and then work towards trying to make that a reality?

Try and ignore the money side of it for the time being. Put money from your job into the business to facilitate the goal. Business expenses are a tax write-off. If you make a loss, the loss can be carried forward to offset future profits. Your primary focus should be on a) getting leads b) getting the price paid for each lead as low as you can. The costs associated with that will be your moat.

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You need to reach out to competent professionals with specific requests.

If you want to know about how to sort out a lawn, why not pay a professional gardener $200 to give you instructions? The $200 will be a tax write-off and if you don't have the money, put in some overtime at work to get it.

Johnathan is doing well for himself but there's a limit on the help he can provide. I wouldn't trust his advice for anything other than figuring out ways to build up lead flow from the likes of Craigslist.

I really appreciate this write-up. Thanks for taking the time to offer your insight. I just want to respond to a few points.

First, I'm sure the problems I'm facing could all eventually be overcome with enough leads, and by extension, enough sales. However, I think there's a disconnect in what I'm presenting; whether there's a problem with my ad's messaging, my business's pricing, or my sales ability (or all 3), I think there are fundamental problems if I'm closing 3/69 leads on the lowest commitment plans I have available.

Second, the personal brand idea is something I can do for basically free, during my late-night hours, that would also align with my skill set. It is not the primary focus (at least not yet) because I do feel something of a sunk cost fallacy to see this lawn care business through until at least the end of the season to see if the recurring income I come away with is enough to offset everything this has cost me. The cost to fix the truck was $475, and it's a temporary fix, so that's another decent chunk gone.

Lastly, because I've lost Johnny as a mentor, and no longer have support with this process, what I'm planning to do is contact a family friend who runs a lawn care business and see if I can work for him to learn the relevant skills. At the very least, he might offer similar guidance in a way where I can see and do the things in person, rather than text somebody who's constantly telling me I'm f***ing stupid.

Relevant thread - GOLD! - HOT! - How Do I [NOT] Scale My Personal Training Business Significantly?

Before we turn this into another 20 page fiasco of much of the same, OP runs away from the forum and we all say "knew it"...

OP, you have everything you need to go from here. You need to right your ship and then come back here with a solid progress update on whatever it is you decide to do. Share some value back when you are ready. 3 pages of high level advice, different opinions, and lots of direction. Now let's see what you can produce.

I'll give this a read, and I won't be leaving the forum. I stopped posting around late August because I got to work, and I didn't want to come back until I had progress - I figured that would be when I replaced my income with the lawn care business and was able to quit my job.

Obviously, this has taken a much different trajectory.

Like I said above, I know what I have to do, so I'll go do it and see what happens. I will give the thread you posted a read to see what happened to this guy, though, as I skipped to the last page and see it serves as a cautionary thread rather than a motivational one.
 
Lastly, because I've lost Johnny as a mentor, and no longer have support with this process, what I'm planning to do is contact a family friend who runs a lawn care business and see if I can work for him to learn the relevant skills. At the very least, he might offer similar guidance in a way where I can see and do the things in person, rather than text somebody who's constantly telling me I'm f***ing stupid.
He's kinda right. All you need to do to make $5000 this month is spend 1 evening on youtube learning how to mow lawns, do 2-3 jobs for free to practice, knock on 100 door or call 100 leads every day. You literally need to sign up 1 person per day for a month. Turn your brain off and talk to 100 people tomorrow about your services. Adjust your sales script. Talk to 100 more people. Repeat. And if you can convert more than 1% which is pathetic you will have 10-20k in recurring revenue literally this month
 
As I begin typing this, it's almost 3 AM, I'll be going to bed in an hour here, so I wanted to type up something of a mini-update in the hopes of having some feedback to read in the morning. To avoid making this even longer than I know it will be, I'll seek to @ people rather than quote their replies.

Let's start with actions:
  • Subscribed to 307 newsletters (100 today + 200 from the last 2 days since the recommendation was made by @IceCreamKid , will do another 200 tomorrow to account for the initial day of the suggestion + Monday)
  • Went door knocking in my neighborhood to take a stab at using that for my lead acquisition
  • Managed to find a pseudonym for the dating coaching business idea and secured the domain and those handles on a variety of social media platforms
  • Read through the entirety of the thread @Dark Water linked. I think the worst part of it is how the guy did a 180 and quit right as he was hitting his breakthrough and had the full support of the forum. I feel somewhat thankful that my failures so far aren't from delaying or avoiding, so much as they are (in my opinion) from taking the wrong actions. I did end up messaging a small handful of helpful forum members from that thread
  • Watched all of @ZF Lee 's video resources about email list managers
What I still need to do:
  • Read @WillHurtDontCare 's Gemini resources. I underestimated how long those would take to read. It looks like one focuses on places where I can find newsletters, which I'm doing currently. The other looks like a deep dive on how to get messages out of spam, so I'll worry about that a little more when I have people landing in spam that I can contact and sell this service, though I will still read through it as soon as possible
  • Contact my family friend who has his own lawn care business for insight and to potentially work for him to learn the skills I lack. He did not answer this weekend, so I will try again tomorrow
  • Read How to Sell Anything to Anybody. I found a free version online and hope that might help me suck less with my sales pitches
Email List Manager

At this stage, I don't know enough about it or how it works to have an educated outlook. But I will continue to subscribe to newsletters and contact those businesses that end up in spam to sell the service of helping them escape that hell. I think it will help to have something with a lower barrier to entry that I can immediately execute on, so I will just execute and figure the rest out later.

Lawn Care

If I'm being honest with myself, I'm probably at about 75/25 when it comes to f*** this/see it through. There are so many problems with this business as a fit for me specifically that I overlooked because I believed I could execute on a proven blueprint being presented to me by a mentor who was willing to guide me through the problems as I encountered them. There are things he instructed me to do that I disagreed with, where I felt that I was making the same mistakes all over again, but I turned my brain off and listened to the person who was supporting me with this process. With that support gone, I have a much less optimistic outlook on this venture being successful, given the constraints of time, money, and the season.

So I got to thinking about what I could realistically do.

Like I said above, I tried door knocking - that was awful. It was 86 degrees and I was in full uniform, sweating my balls off after going to my first 2 neighbors. Within an hour, I'd only talked to 9 people, all of whom already had a service doing the yard for them, or were doing it themselves. The best I got was 2 people who took down my number "in case". This was also 9 out of maybe 20 homes, since only about half of these people were home or came to the door. If I expand that out, in order to talk to 100 people via door-knocking, as in what @savefox suggested, it would take me about 10 hours or so. This would only be possible on weekends, due to the timing of my day job, and as it gets later in the season and the days get hotter, it would be less and less realistic simply from a health standpoint...and these aren't even leads who opted in and showed interest that need to be contacted - this is just everybody. I'm aware I could and should do more than 1 hour of door knocking, but this would not be a sustainable lead acquisition tool for me.

So then I likely have to rely on paid ads to talk to that many leads in a day. On my best day of running Facebook ads I got 8 leads in a day, and that was after spending $81.92, or with a cost per lead of $10.24 that would mean in order to talk to 100 leads per day I would need to spend somewhere around $1,024 on ads per day, which I could run for only 2 days. I have so far closed 3/69 leads, so my closing rate is 4%, but let's round it up to 5% to assume I improve even a little bit. For me to break even on that investment, I would have to sell those 5/100 leads on the highest tier plan I have, which is $200 per month, and that's still a $24 loss. To me, this is a very optimistic and risky assumption, because it would not leave any money for other costs, such as my $475 truck fix, which is only temporary, with my mechanic telling me I'd need to take it to a dealer to have an electrician diagnose it. However, technically possible.

I thought about what else I could do:
  • Print flyers and leave them on the doors of my neighbors. Less personal, but less time-consuming too, and if somebody responds, I know they at least have some interest
  • Ask for reviews and testimonials from my current 3 customers
  • Take before/after pictures of these customers' lawns and post them to the business social accounts
I do not know how much these ideas might help, but I could execute them at little to no extra cost to me. The problem with these ideas is that I'd be moving too slow. I feel that I cannot afford to talk to as many people as I need to talk to, to make as many sales as I need to make, before the season ends, and I'm stuck with whatever customers I have until the next season rolls around the following year. For this to make sense, I would need to get enough revenue that I could afford to hire others to do the fulfillment for me, and I don't have much concept of how high that number is.

What I will most likely do is continue running paid ads until I hit 100 leads, and see if that extra 31 leads to any more sales to give me some hope that this process works for me.

I worry that I may be giving up too soon, but I also worry that I'm dumping more time and money into something that I'm already poorly positioned to succeed in when I could allocate those resources to something that might be a better fit for me.

Dating Coach

I plugged some numbers into ChatGPT and Gemini to see how I compare when it comes to this skill. ChatGPT puts me in the 99.99th percentile as their liberal estimate when it comes to sexual partners for a straight male across their lifetime. Gemini puts me in the 99.5th percentile nationally and 99.99th percentile globally.

Whatever your opinions on that information are, the point is that I'm very good at getting laid with a variety of attractive women, and I've been doing it as somebody who makes less than $50k/year while living with their parents and driving a Prius in suburban Delaware.

I believe this is a skill I could teach. I believe I would be better at selling this skill because, unlike some of my previous attempts at business, I strongly believe in what I'm selling. Unlike at least 1 specific person, I have unlimited patience for helping people regardless of how bad they suck, so long as they're willing to listen and act on the advice given.

As I mentioned, I secured the pseudonym on all platforms, which would act as the forward-facing personal brand with a focus on dating coaching for men who want to get laid, with an emphasis on confidence and fitness, with an option of expanding outward into other facets of male self-improvement if this particular niche gains traction - all with the added benefit of being almost completely online and not reliant on constantly fixing and maintaining tools and equipment, save for a computer and internet connection.

Now, I don't want to think too far ahead, as I saw JLE did plenty of that in his thread before he even sold a client. I figure I could build an audience by posting free content, offering a free lead magnet as a funnel on a website, offering courses for individual facets on how to improve one's dating life, and higher-ticket items such as group coaching, personalized coaching, and in-person meetups/coaching.

BUT...this is thinking too far ahead, so, there are 2 main things on my mind if I were to drop lawn care and pursue this instead:
  1. Thinking back to @Andy Black 's advice, I am not finding a problem and creating a solution to solve it. Instead, I'm leveraging a skill that I already have and seeking ways to monetize it by selling to people whose problems it may solve. Basically, I'm a little concerned that I'm working backwards with what's essentially a product-founder fit
  2. A mistake I constantly make, even with the lawn care guidance I received, was spending a whole lot of money and building a bunch of systems before I even had a paying client. I assume that advice would apply here as well. If that is the case, I'm unsure where I'd find them or how I'd acquire them; not a lot of guys are comfortable publicly raising their hands to admit they're not having sex, nor asking for help. The logical first place to look would be the seduction forum I came from, where I got my start and routinely offer advice. I previously polled to see how many had spent money towards improving their dating lives, and there weren't many. I'm considering making a post on there asking if anybody would take up my coaching, even if I had to do it for free, to get testimonials or feedback
It is now 4:07 AM, but I really wanted to get all these thoughts out while they were fresh. I would like to tag a handful of helpful forum members from some of my old posts, as well as from JLE's thread, to get some of their opinions on my current trajectory, and maybe where they suggest I go from here.

@BizyDad @Antifragile @ZCP
 
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Glad to see you are progressing and taking more action.

I don't judge a business's viability by its smooth initial momentum because I expect everything to suck at the start, and it has always been and will always be this way. The long-term economics of this industry, business niches/sectors, and your relative personality traits make it more or less a fit, are the key decision factors.

If your target market for a dating coach is young men having casual relationships with other women, I am personally not optimistic about this sector. To me, it just screams bad Economics for everyone involved for various underlying socioeconomic reasons. Nonetheless, I could be wrong, and you should try it anyway.
 
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Thinking back to @Andy Black 's advice, I am not finding a problem and creating a solution to solve it. Instead, I'm leveraging a skill that I already have and seeking ways to monetize it by selling to people whose problems it may solve. Basically, I'm a little concerned that I'm working backwards with what's essentially a product-founder fit
I think it's OK to be a hammer looking for a nail when you know people already spend money to solve the problem you can solve.

I do Google Ads. Someone could pick that as a skill to monetise and do well because there's plenty of businesses already spending money on Google Ads.
 
4 AM posts …

Protect Your Energy

4 AM posts scream burnout risk.

Your 4 AM hustle shows grit, but you’re spread thin across email lists, lawn care, and dating coaching.

Focus is your way out.

But to have clear mind, you need sleep. You need quality sleep. You need your brain to function at 100%.

I bet 99% of your questions would be answered by you, if you were well rested. You don’t need the forum to help you they way you think!
 
I should elaborate:

When should you grind?

When you know exactly what to do, proven method and you need a giga effort to make it roll like a snowball. You want to create inertia! It takes 16 hour days for long stretches of time.

Do it.

When should you NOT grind?

When you need CLEAR THINKING

the most genius humans often got their best inventions during the “down time”. When their brains were 100% and clear. Solutions to problems then appear out of nowhere.

Your brain is your greatest tool as an entrepreneur. Don’t make it suffer with staying up till 4am inquiries. Why are you abusing the most important friend you got?

Good luck.
 
Wow, these are great door open rates. Way higher percentage than I would have expected.

Too bad you were only out there for 1 hour out of the weekend…

Oh, I hear you. Trust me, I expected that response.

From my perspective, 1 hour is all it took me to realize this wasn't a sustainable way for me to get leads. It's only going to get hotter outside, and the only time I'd be able to realistically dedicate to this would be on Saturday and Sunday. Ignoring the fact that the weekend is when I take care of my basic needs in preparation for the work week (groceries, laundry, meal prep, etc), it's also the only time I'm able to make visits to my current customers since it doesn't interfere with my job. 10 hours to talk to 100 people isn't realistic - 5 hours to talk to 50 really isn't realistic either. These are not interested leads, these are just regular people, all of whom told me they are already happily working with another service, or doing it themselves.

It is an extremely inefficient way for me to get leads, will pose a legitimate health risk as it gets later in the season, is restricted to 2/7 days of the week due to having to work my job to get by, and therefore too slow, and was a rather miserable process all-around. It's not sustainable for me.

@BPH1994 how many have you sold?

I have sold to 3 customers:
  1. Biweekly lawn maintenance plan for $123/mo. I closed her early on and may have failed to properly communicate that the contracts are year-long, I don't recall. She may think they're month-to-month and may seek to cancel once fall arrives, in which case I would lose her since that was a failure on my part that I'd corrected with the other customers
  2. Every 6 weeks spray plan for weed removal for $47/mo. He is aware that these are intended to be year-long contracts, but expressed that he would want to stop paying by October. In order to say yes to him, I told him I could do that and he would just pay the early termination fee in August, which would subsidize the following 2 months. His lawn is more weeds than lawn, so I'm taking a loss on the amount of product I have to purchase to treat it, currently
  3. Biweekly lawn maintenance plan for $99/mo. Smallest package for a very small lawn. Is aware of the year-long commitment and only requests hedge trimming. Nothing "wrong" with this customer, but they are on the lowest tier payment
Combined, these 3 pay $269/mo.

4 AM posts …

Protect Your Energy

4 AM posts scream burnout risk.

Your 4 AM hustle shows grit, but you’re spread thin across email lists, lawn care, and dating coaching.

Focus is your way out.

But to have clear mind, you need sleep. You need quality sleep. You need your brain to function at 100%.

I bet 99% of your questions would be answered by you, if you were well rested. You don’t need the forum to help you they way you think!

The 4 AM thing is nothing new. I frequently stay up late at night because I feel that if I spend too much time sleeping I'm wasting my day - so long as I'm getting 5-6 hours per night I'm fine.

Usually I'll supplement that with a 30-minute nap once I get home from work and the gym, but I have been doing this a LONG time and am quite accustomed to it.

Once I'm home from work and gym, having eaten a meal and showered, it's usually somewhere between 8 PM and 9 PM - usually too late to contact leads and get an answer. So instead, I use that time to be productive and get things done that I didn't have time to do during the work day. It's quiet, I have nobody bothering me, and can put my full attention towards a goal.

This may be its own problem, from a health standpoint, but all this to say that I'm not burning myself out, and that staying up that late for me is normal.

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Anyway, just to get back on topic since I have some more clarity than I did late last night...

I think I'm looking for permission to axe to lawn care idea.

I just see too many negatives; it's expensive to maintain, I'm late to the party, my CPL is low but my CAC is high, the customers I do have aren't worth much, my close rate is abysmal, I can't afford/don't have the time to talk to enough leads to get the sales I'd need to hire and make this work, I have a lot of competition and they are better-equipped (multiple zero-turn mowers, 3-4 man crews, weekly visits that cost less than my biweekly visits), I do not enjoy the work, and so far I have been bad at performing the job.

I decided back in January that I was making this investment with Johnny, and that even though I didn't have full confidence in myself, I had confidence that I could execute on a plan with somebody to guide me through the process as I encountered problems.

That person is gone, along with a lot of my confidence.

And I feel guilty because my parents witnessed me burn all this money I'd been saving to listen to advice from somebody on the other side of the country that I believed in, who did not believe in me. I turned my brain off for 4 months and just did what I was told - disregarding the input, advice, or concerns of anybody who wasn't Johnny.

Now I'm in a position where I cannot afford the ad volume I need to make the sales I need. I also do not have the time to avoid spending all that money on ads if I want to reach my goal. I have unforeseen expenses that keep adding to a bill that is becoming increasingly more difficult to pay and I'm hoping that my truck makes it to the weekend so I can service my customers before shelling out however many hundred dollars it'll take to fix it once I bring it to a dealer.

Even in the best case scenario, I still don't have a great outlook because this is a physical, in-person business that will continue to anchor me to my service area in Delaware - a place I very much want to escape before I get too old to make a move.

I look at this situation and think to myself "if I cut my losses on something where I'm no longer confident in its success, something that's bleeding me dry, am I just being a quitter again? Is that who I am, a quitter? Am I letting my parents down? I ignored their input and now they're probably disappointed, because they were right to be skeptical."

Like I said above, I think I'm looking for permission.

Somebody to say "hey this lawn care thing isn't a good fit for you, you tried, you failed, better to invest that time and money into something else than to continue digging yourself into a deeper hole."

Rather than "you're giving up already? after only 4 months? maybe you're not cut out for business if you don't have the resilience to learn a skill and fail for a while. You thought this would be easy? Stop looking for shortcuts."

My fear is that I'll receive both responses, and that they'll both be right.
 
I just see too many negatives; it's expensive to maintain, I'm late to the party, my CPL is low but my CAC is high, the customers I do have aren't worth much, my close rate is abysmal, I can't afford/don't have the time to talk to enough leads to get the sales I'd need to hire and make this work, I have a lot of competition and they are better-equipped (multiple zero-turn mowers, 3-4 man crews, weekly visits that cost less than my biweekly visits), I do not enjoy the work, and so far I have been bad at performing the job.
Wait till you find out that every single business feels like it in the beginning. Especially if you're trying to start 3 different businesses at the same time while working full time and going to the gym. Wtf are you even doing.

No you didn't do what Johnny told you. You talked to 8 people and made an excuse to go back home. You did the same amount of work in 4 months that Johnny does in a hour.
 
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Oh, I hear you. Trust me, I expected that response.

From my perspective, 1 hour is all it took me to realize this wasn't a sustainable way for me to get leads. It's only going to get hotter outside, and the only time I'd be able to realistically dedicate to this would be on Saturday and Sunday. Ignoring the fact that the weekend is when I take care of my basic needs in preparation for the work week (groceries, laundry, meal prep, etc), it's also the only time I'm able to make visits to my current customers since it doesn't interfere with my job. 10 hours to talk to 100 people isn't realistic - 5 hours to talk to 50 really isn't realistic either. These are not interested leads, these are just regular people, all of whom told me they are already happily working with another service, or doing it themselves.

It is an extremely inefficient way for me to get leads, will pose a legitimate health risk as it gets later in the season, is restricted to 2/7 days of the week due to having to work my job to get by, and therefore too slow, and was a rather miserable process all-around. It's not sustainable for me.



I have sold to 3 customers:
  1. Biweekly lawn maintenance plan for $123/mo. I closed her early on and may have failed to properly communicate that the contracts are year-long, I don't recall. She may think they're month-to-month and may seek to cancel once fall arrives, in which case I would lose her since that was a failure on my part that I'd corrected with the other customers
  2. Every 6 weeks spray plan for weed removal for $47/mo. He is aware that these are intended to be year-long contracts, but expressed that he would want to stop paying by October. In order to say yes to him, I told him I could do that and he would just pay the early termination fee in August, which would subsidize the following 2 months. His lawn is more weeds than lawn, so I'm taking a loss on the amount of product I have to purchase to treat it, currently
  3. Biweekly lawn maintenance plan for $99/mo. Smallest package for a very small lawn. Is aware of the year-long commitment and only requests hedge trimming. Nothing "wrong" with this customer, but they are on the lowest tier payment
Combined, these 3 pay $269/mo.



The 4 AM thing is nothing new. I frequently stay up late at night because I feel that if I spend too much time sleeping I'm wasting my day - so long as I'm getting 5-6 hours per night I'm fine.

Usually I'll supplement that with a 30-minute nap once I get home from work and the gym, but I have been doing this a LONG time and am quite accustomed to it.

Once I'm home from work and gym, having eaten a meal and showered, it's usually somewhere between 8 PM and 9 PM - usually too late to contact leads and get an answer. So instead, I use that time to be productive and get things done that I didn't have time to do during the work day. It's quiet, I have nobody bothering me, and can put my full attention towards a goal.

This may be its own problem, from a health standpoint, but all this to say that I'm not burning myself out, and that staying up that late for me is normal.

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Anyway, just to get back on topic since I have some more clarity than I did late last night...

I think I'm looking for permission to axe to lawn care idea.

I just see too many negatives; it's expensive to maintain, I'm late to the party, my CPL is low but my CAC is high, the customers I do have aren't worth much, my close rate is abysmal, I can't afford/don't have the time to talk to enough leads to get the sales I'd need to hire and make this work, I have a lot of competition and they are better-equipped (multiple zero-turn mowers, 3-4 man crews, weekly visits that cost less than my biweekly visits), I do not enjoy the work, and so far I have been bad at performing the job.

I decided back in January that I was making this investment with Johnny, and that even though I didn't have full confidence in myself, I had confidence that I could execute on a plan with somebody to guide me through the process as I encountered problems.

That person is gone, along with a lot of my confidence.

And I feel guilty because my parents witnessed me burn all this money I'd been saving to listen to advice from somebody on the other side of the country that I believed in, who did not believe in me. I turned my brain off for 4 months and just did what I was told - disregarding the input, advice, or concerns of anybody who wasn't Johnny.

Now I'm in a position where I cannot afford the ad volume I need to make the sales I need. I also do not have the time to avoid spending all that money on ads if I want to reach my goal. I have unforeseen expenses that keep adding to a bill that is becoming increasingly more difficult to pay and I'm hoping that my truck makes it to the weekend so I can service my customers before shelling out however many hundred dollars it'll take to fix it once I bring it to a dealer.

Even in the best case scenario, I still don't have a great outlook because this is a physical, in-person business that will continue to anchor me to my service area in Delaware - a place I very much want to escape before I get too old to make a move.

I look at this situation and think to myself "if I cut my losses on something where I'm no longer confident in its success, something that's bleeding me dry, am I just being a quitter again? Is that who I am, a quitter? Am I letting my parents down? I ignored their input and now they're probably disappointed, because they were right to be skeptical."

Like I said above, I think I'm looking for permission.

Somebody to say "hey this lawn care thing isn't a good fit for you, you tried, you failed, better to invest that time and money into something else than to continue digging yourself into a deeper hole."

Rather than "you're giving up already? after only 4 months? maybe you're not cut out for business if you don't have the resilience to learn a skill and fail for a while. You thought this would be easy? Stop looking for shortcuts."

My fear is that I'll receive both responses, and that they'll both be right.

What you’re going through is normal.

That’s why I’m worried about you. Because every business is crap at the start.

If you don’t have confidence now you probably won’t have it when you jump ship to another business.
 
Like I said above, I think I'm looking for permission.

I suspect the issues you face are not due to the business but from a habit of dependence

Whether you’re making the “right” decision or not is something you’ll have to learn by experience.

Don’t ask for permission.

Take ownership.
 

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