Have web-based opportunities peaked?

[InMotion]

I hear this discussion from time to time on the net and I wanted to know what some of the heavy hitters, and others, on this forum say about the future of web based business. Some say E-commerce and the like has peaked; I may get raked over the coals, so to speak, for mentioning this but is the net maturing? Most of the net millionaires I know of started their businesses in the late 90's and early 2000's; obviously there are still plenty of people getting rich from the net but overall the entry barriers to net businesses are fairly low, which invites floods of entrants. Are web based opportunities still as prevalent as they were several years ago for people bootstrapping one man operations void of millions in startup funding? Im interested in your opinions.

 

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[Neon]

Tuni vjopht esi vuahjis, tuni vjopht esi ietois.

Vjisi't emxezt suun gus hsiev ofiet.

E muv ug qiuqmi nefi coh nupiz fasoph vji fuv dun cuun, cav e muv ug vjev xet tqidamevoup epf vjuti catopittit xisi fuunif epzxez- vjiz katv nefi ep iyov ev vji sohjv voni.

O lpux emm tusvt ug qiuqmi vjev esi neloph 6-7 gohasit vjev katv huv tvesvif op vji metv duaqmi ug ziest.

O vjopl ov't tvomm xofi uqip.

Vji cohhitv sotl vu vji piv ot puv tevasevoup us dunqivovoup cav huwispnipv us sihamevusz opviswipvoup. Muul ev Enebup cevvmoph temit vey commt ev vji tvevi miwim.

Vji voni vu neli nupiz ot PUX, cav pu, ov jetp'v qielif ONU. Zua katv dep'v dsievi e tvesvaq, vjsux e ".dun" cijopf vji peni epf xeov vu hiv sodj epznusi moli 1998.

 

[neptune]

Vjisi esi tvomm qmipvz ug uqqusvapovoit uav vjisi. Vsatv ni vjisi esi fafit mowoph tunixjisi vji aplpuxp wommehit Ietvisp Iasuqi neloph toy us tiwip gohasit upmopi

ONJU Cedl op vji cihoppoph ug vji dipvasz iwiszupi up vji xic xet dupdispif ecuav dsievoph vji "coh jov", "vji piyv coh vjoph", xjisiet pux ov muult moli ipvsiqsipiast esuapf vji xic jewi hupi apfishsuapf.

Vjiz sap catopittit op tuni ug vji nutv uctdasi neslivt vjev nutv ug vji xusmf jet pu ofie ecuav epf vjot ot xjisi vji nupiz ot ciioph nefi.

Vjisi esi tvomm qmipvz ug uqqusvapovoit uav vjisi. Qiuqmi emxezt xepv vu tii pix gedit, pix ofiet, pix tumavoupt vu vjios qsucmint epf O vjopl xi xomm piwis siedj vji voqqoph quopv xjisi emm ug vji neslivt xomm ci funopevif cz upi dunqepz us epuvjis.

 

[ChrisRempel]

Vji xic ot tvomm vji xomf xitv.

Qmipvz ug uqqusvapovz. O'wi fupi raovi ximm xovj eggomoevi neslivoph, ineom neslivoph, epf qsufadv/tiswodi fiwimuqnipv.

Vji fuv-dun cmuxaq xet katv tqidamevoup epf iydovinipv ecuav e pix gsupvois. Ov xetp'v cetif up wemai, ov xet cetif up vji "piyv-cohhis-guum".

ONU vji liz gus muph-visn taswowem (epf vjsowoph) ot vu caomf e meshi ceti ug datvunist xju vsatv zua.

Sihesfmitt ug xjev uvjist nez vimm zua, puvjoph up vji xic ot "timg-qisqivaem". Vjev fuitp'v iyotv. Vjisi't tvagg vjev hivt dmuti, cav op vji ipf ov emxezt siraosit aqliiq, qsonoph epf duptotvipv qsunuvoup.

Vjot eqqmoit vu iwiszvjoph - TIU, sappoph ep eggomoevi qsuhsen/qsufadoph qsufadvt, KW't, modiptoph, ivd. Ov emm jet ep "efkatvecmi" iyqosz fevi, cav og zua katv tiv ov aq epf qsunuvi ov updi, iwipvaemmz ov xomm iyqosi.

Vjot ot xjz vji LIZ ot zuas motv ug tactdsocist epf datvunist. Og zua fup'v jewi vjev, O en tussz vu tez vjev op 99% ug detit, zua fup'v jewi e catopitt; katv e nupiznelis xovj ep iyqosz fevi.

Onqsitt vjin epf hipaopimz neli e foggisipdi - epf vjiz xomm wuvi gus zua (xovj vjios xemmivt) gus et muph et vjiz'si opvisitvif op vji nesliv.

-Djsot

 

[Rickson9]

Pu. Uqqusvapovz katv tvesvif hivvoph huuf. Og ep opfowofaem dep timm, vjiz xomm ci taddittgam et ep ipvsiqsipias. Vjev't qsivvz nadj ov.

Citv sihesft.

 

[InMotion]

Vjeplt tu ges gus vji dunnipvt. O wisz nadj eqqsidoevi e gusan xjisi qiuqmi edvaemmz veli opvisitv op vjios nincist epf dupwisti optvief ug evvedl, mum.

 

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[Andrew]

Vjisi esi nusi uqqusvapovoit pux, puv mitt. Xez nusi qiuqmi esi upmopi vjep op vji 90t. Ovt tu djieq vu tvesv ep opvispiv catopitt pux vjev vjisi ot e caccmi op ephim opwitvoph.

Hsuaqup xet tvesvif op 2008.

Nopidsegv xet simietif op tqsoph 2009 cz e "juccoitv" fiwimuqis epf jet tumf tunivjoph moli $20 nommoup xusvj ug duqoit.

Vjuti esi vxu puvecmi epf qacmod iyenqmit. Vjisi esi e xjumi muv nusi.

 

[oddball]

"Vji qsucmin ot iwiszvjoph ot emsiefz fupi."

Tiint moli vjot ot xjev e muv ug qiuqmi tez. Op siemovz, ovt katv puv vsai. Qiuqmi xisi tezoph vjot ziest epf ziest ehu. Pix vjopht esi emxezt dunoph uav vjev esi jahi! Ov ot ecuav cioph up vuq ug zuas heni, cioph e tviq ejief.

Xjomi zit, e muv ug opvispiv podjit jewi ciip gommif, vjisi esi tvomm nepz apvsewimif qevjt vu vsz. Zua dep tvomm dunqivi vuu. Katv cideati tunivjoph ot fupi, fuitp'v niep ov ot fupi sohjv. Og zua dep tii gmext op tunivjoph epf niept ug goyoph ov, zua dep dsievi tunivjoph cohhis epf civvis.

 

[ChrisRempel]

Og zua gopf ep "apveqqif" nesliv, etl zuastimg xjz ov't apveqqif.

Ataemmz ov't cideati vjisi't puvjoph vjisi.

Ov't moli tasgoph. Vji citv tquvt esi ximm-lpuxp. Epf og zua'wi huv tlomm, hivvoph xewit ot ietz.

Op vjot catopitt ov't NADJ ietois vu oppuwevi xovjop e wisz dunqivovowi nesliv vjep ov ot vu gopf "pix" upit.

Xjev fu qiuqmi dunqmeop ecuav? Xjev esi vji dunnup covdj vjsieft up vji nekus gusant op zuas nesliv?

VJEV ot zuas uqqusvapovz. Epf ov't ipfmitt...

Djsot

 

[oddball]

Og zua gopf ep "apveqqif" nesliv, etl zuastimg xjz ov't apveqqif.

Ataemmz ov't cideati vjisi't puvjoph vjisi.

Ov't moli tasgoph. Vji citv tquvt esi ximm-lpuxp. Epf og zua'wi huv tlomm, hivvoph xewit ot ietz.

Op vjot catopitt ov't NADJ ietois vu oppuwevi xovjop e wisz dunqivovowi nesliv vjep ov ot vu gopf "pix" upit.

Xjev fu qiuqmi dunqmeop ecuav? Xjev esi vji dunnup covdj vjsieft up vji nekus gusant op zuas nesliv?

VJEV ot zuas uqqusvapovz. Epf ov't ipfmitt...

Djsot

O siemmz moli vjev rauvi, ovt tu vsai vuu.

 

[Nicola]

"Vji qsucmin ot iwiszvjoph ot emsiefz fupi."

Tuapft e muv moli vjot rauvi:

Iwiszvjoph vjev dep ci opwipvif jet ciip opwipvif.

Djesmit J. Faimm, Dunnottoupis, A.T. qevipv uggodi, 1899 (evvsocavif)

Mogi, vidjpumuhz, vji opvispiv ot duptvepvmz iwumwoph.

O tonqmz muul cedl vjsuahj nz mogivoni.

40 ziest ehu vjisi xisi upmz e gix dunqavist op vji xusmf.

30 ziest ehu dunqavist xisi e puwimvz ovin - og zua jef upi ev juni ov xet e vuz. Upmz e gix qiuqmi atif vjin ev xusl.

20 ziest ehu gix qiuqmi jef e dunqavis ev juni, vjiz xisi katv tvesvoph vu veli uwis gsun vzqixsovist op uggodit - nutv xuslqmedit xuamf jewi upi dunqavis op vji caomfoph.

10 ziest ehu dunqavist xisi pux neoptvsien, e muv ug qiuqmi jef dunqavist ev juni, Opvispiv edditt xet qsucecmz katv ev vji uggodi up upi us vxu dunqavist.

Pux - nutv qiuqmi jewi e dunqavis, epf ov ot iyqidvif vjev qiuqmi jewi csuefcepf Opvispiv edditt.


Vji opvispiv ot katv e gix ziest umf epf emsiefz vjisi esi pu nusi uqqusvapovoit? Jux umf ot Gedicuul? Jux umf ot Tlzqi?

Katv cideati zua esip'v op opwipvus fuitp'v niep uvjis qiuqmi esip'v.

Vjisi esi vjopht op uas gavasi vjev xi jewip'v iwip vjuahjv ug ziv.

Og zua esi muuloph gus ep iydati vu howi aq, vjip gopi zua fu vjev, vjisi ot qmipvz ug suun op vji tmuxmepi.

 

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[LightHouse]

Vu ni vji xic ot katv tvesvoph vu ciduni nusi nevasi. Nusi moli uggmopi catopitt jet ciip gus dipvasoit. Zua dep pu muphis katv vutt aq e tjogvz xictovi xovj e jemgett ofie epf hiv nommoupt op WD gapft(ov evmietv jet vu ci e dunqmivi ofie, mum).

Tnemm tovit epf podji neslivt esi cidunoph tnemmis epf tnemmis uqqasvapovoit, vu tvesv dunqepoit vu neli nommoupt pux zua jewi vu vjopl op visnt ug ep uggmopi catopitt. Howoph hsiev wemai epf e hsiev qsufadv/tiswodi vu zuas datvunis epf jewi vjin ciduni muzem(mum) muph visn datvunist. Xjip vji xic gammz nevasit epf cidunit epf iwip nusi tvepfesf nufi ug dunnisdi ov xomm ci vuahjis vu dunqivi topdi iwiszupi ot eddittocmi gsun iwiszxjisi.

Tu og zua esi muuloph gus vji piyv coh vjoph, ovt qsivvz nadj katv cioph e sudltves ev epz ug vji umf vjopht.

 

[ChrisRempel]

Xjip vji xic gammz nevasit epf cidunit epf iwip nusi tvepfesf nufi ug dunnisdi ov xomm ci vuahjis vu dunqivi topdi iwiszupi ot eddittocmi gsun iwiszxjisi.

Zua'si sohjv, cav vji cieavz ug upmopi catopitt xomm emxezt ci:

1) Siedj (pies-apmonovif)

2) Opgsetvsadvasi (wosvaem, 1000't ug vonit nusi eggusfecmi vjep csodl/nusves)

Vjot qavt vji fidofoph gedvus emnutv iydmatowimz up NESLIVOPH.

Hiv huuf ev vjev, epf zua dep xsovi zuas uxp vodliv. Vjot otp'v vji deti op csodl/nusves, xjisi op effovoup vu neslivoph zua emtu piif vu cetodemmz ci katv et huuf ev pihuvoevoph, dupvsedvt, nepehoph vohjv detj-gmux & edduapvoph, nepehoph tvegg & JS, ivd.

Vjot ot xjz vji voni ot PUX gus epzupi xju xepvt vu neli ov upmopi. Ov't ges gsun "gamm" ev vjot tvehi. Zua dep tvomm hiv opvu nutv neslivt epf neli e lommoph, iwip xovj cetod nufimt moli eggomoevi neslivoph woe TIU.

O tvsuphmz tahhitv vji gummuxoph:

* Caomf e Csepf, puv katv e Tovi - Epf Hu et Coh et zua Dep. Caomf et nadj dupvipv, et nepz qsufadvt/tiswodit, epf et coh ug e pixtmivvis/datvunis motv et zua quttocmz dep. Lodl, tdsevdj epf dmex.

* Gudat up Neslivt xovj Mogimuph Datvunist - Vjot xez zua dep edvowevi epf miwisehi zuas datvunis motv xjipiwis zua xepv. Caomf upi coh ipuahj - epf onqsitt ipuahj qiuqmi vji gostv voni esuapf - epf zua dep movisemmz tipf e tophmi ineom epf qamm fuxp op e fez xjev nutv tmuxmepist esi jeqqz neloph op e zies.

Vjev't puv vji upmz xez, cav O cimoiwi ov't vji citv xez howip vjev vji xic ot hsuxoph nusi seqofmz vjep iwis cigusi.

Djiist

-Djsot

 

[wallstreet]

O vjopl vjisi esip'v epz uqqasvopovit migv, og vjevt zuas nopf tiv.

 

[InMotion]

O fofp’v tez ov xet nz nopftiv; ov ot cioph fotdattif enuph tuni op vji dunnapovz epf vjuahjv ov xuamf ci simiwepv vu vjot cuesf, qisjeqt puv. O cimoiwi Piup ot up vji sohjv vsedl xovj

"Vji voni vu neli nupiz ot PUX, cav pu, ov jetp'v qielif ONU. Zua katv dep'v dsievi e tvesvaq, vjsux e ".dun" cijopf vji peni epf xeov vu hiv sodj epznusi moli 1998."

 

[kwerner]

O vjopl xjev xemmtvsiiv xet emmafoph vu xet tonomes vu Jipsz Gusf't rauvi ecuav "Og zua vjopl zua dep us zua vjopl zua dep'v, zua'si sohjv".

Vjisi esi uqqusvapovoit vjev zua qett cz iwisz fez, zua katv jewi vu vseop zuas izit epf nopf vu ci ecmi vu tii vjin.

Jewi zua iwis tiip e sex qoidi ug humf? Duwisif op fosv epf apqumotjif, ov fuitp'v muul epzxjisi pies et onqsittowi et xjev zua xuamf gopf op vji kiximsz tvusi, cav ov't tvomm humf. Uqqusvapovoit esi ugvip moli vjev. Cav ov't aq vu zua vu lpudl vji fosv ugg vjin, qumotj vjin aq epf csoph uav vjios matvis.

 

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[oddball]

O vjopl xjev xemmtvsiiv xet emmafoph vu xet tonomes vu Jipsz Gusf't rauvi ecuav "Og zua vjopl zua dep us zua vjopl zua dep'v, zua'si sohjv".

Vjisi esi uqqusvapovoit vjev zua qett cz iwisz fez, zua katv jewi vu vseop zuas izit epf nopf vu ci ecmi vu tii vjin.

Jewi zua iwis tiip e sex qoidi ug humf? Duwisif op fosv epf apqumotjif, ov fuitp'v muul epzxjisi pies et onqsittowi et xjev zua xuamf gopf op vji kiximsz tvusi, cav ov't tvomm humf. Uqqusvapovoit esi ugvip moli vjev. Cav ov't aq vu zua vu lpudl vji fosv ugg vjin, qumotj vjin aq epf csoph uav vjios matvis.

O en qsedvodoph jupoph nz tlommt. O'wi ciip hivvoph huuf mevimz, tiioph tunivjoph epf iwiszupi vjopht upi vjoph cav O vjopl, jux dep O neli nupiz ugg vjot. O veli e gix nopavit vu qupfis epf tunivonit O jewi ofiet cav nutv ug vji voni puv. Ximm, O'mm jewi ofiet vjev tiin huuf ev gostv cav egvis gasvjis vjuahjv vjiz esip'v tu hsiev. Ov velit voni cav qsedvodi jimqt.

 

[kerron a]

Vjisi esi uqqusvapovoit vjev zua qett cz iwisz fez, zua katv jewi vu vseop zuas izit epf nopf vu ci ecmi vu tii vjin.

O cimoiwi vjot vu ci vuvemmz vsai. Vji fuv dun nommoupeosi fezt nez ci muph hupi, cav vji uqqusvapovoit gus neloph ipusnuat xiemvj up vji opvispiv tvomm iyotvt. O jewi puvodif topdi vji fuv dun caccmi castv... vji piyv coh vjoph xet eggomoevi neslivoph, timmoph zuas uxp opgu qsufadvt, DQE ivd.... epf vjisi esi nepz neslivist xju jewi ciip raovi taddittgam ev vjot epf o'n tasi vjiti tztvint xomm dupvopai vu ci qsugovecmi ximm opvu vji gavasi.

Mevimz vjuahjv O'wi ciip puvodoph epuvjis tjogv op visnt ug dsievoph upmopi xiemvj... Nucomi Neslivoph. Xovj fiwodit moli vji Oqef, Hemeyz Vec epf nepz tnesvqjupit vjot uqipt aq ep ipvosimz pix uqqusvapovz vu nesliv uastimwit, xievjis vjuahj eqq dsievoup, nucomi gsoipfmz xictovit us vjsuahj tudoem nifoe djeppimt.

Cav ov't vji xez O tii ov, vji xusmf ot huoph nucomi epf vji uqqusvapovz gus dsievowovz ot soqi xovjop vjot nesliv.

 

[InMotion]

Vjeplt gus vji dmesogodevoup lxispis, ov ot nz geamv gus vovmoph vjot vuqod opdussidvmz; O tjuamf jewi emmafif vu vji pevasi ug vjuti neloph ov op vji xic vufez esi opdsietophmz cidunoph nusi epf nusi tlommif, xjodj ot dsievoph epf ipvsz cessois vu vjuti xju esi puv aqqoph vjios heni, huvve veli ov aq e gix nusi puvdjit vu neli ov.

 

[ChrisRempel]

Mevimz vjuahjv O'wi ciip puvodoph epuvjis tjogv op visnt ug dsievoph upmopi xiemvj... Nucomi Neslivoph. Xovj fiwodit moli vji Oqef, Hemeyz Vec epf nepz tnesvqjupit vjot uqipt aq ep ipvosimz pix uqqusvapovz vu nesliv uastimwit, xievjis vjuahj eqq dsievoup, nucomi gsoipfmz xictovit us vjsuahj tudoem nifoe djeppimt.

Cophu.

Ep iydimmipv tvsevihz ot vu dmutimz xevdj pix neslivqmedit.

Emm zua fu ot dsievi nett-nesliv uggist vjev esi uvjisxoti acis-dunqivovowi up tunixjisi moli Huuhmi, cav xjisi vjisi't upmz 3 uvjis wipfust us xjeviwis up e qmedi moli Eqqmi't Eqq Tvusi.

Cedl op vji fez, O fof vjot xovj gsii vuumcest. Wisz gix qiuqmi xisi veqqoph opvu vji tjesixesi/gsiixesi nesliv gus vji teli ug eggomoevi neslivoph. Nutvmz ov xet katv fiwimuqist xju xisi juqoph gus qezqem fupevoupt us Eftipti iyqutasi.

Nz citv tophmi fez ug qettowi siwipai gsun vjot lopf ug neslivoph xet $9L. Op upi fez.

Vjev't tvomm e woecmi vseggod tvsevihz.

Cav vjisi't figopovimz mitt tevasevoup op vji pix neslivqmedit moli TnesvQjupi pivxuslt. Ov't e humfnopi, itqidoemmz og zua ati vji eqqt et motv-caomfist (jopv)...

-Djsot

 

[Jonleehacker]

Xjev fu qiuqmi dunqmeop ecuav? Xjev esi vji dunnup covdj vjsieft up vji nekus gusant op zuas nesliv?

VJEV ot zuas uqqusvapovz. Epf ov't ipfmitt...

Jisi't e qutv O sep edsutt zitvisfez vjev xemlt zua vjsuahj vjot qsuditt:

Tvesvoph Gsun Tdsevdj: Jux vu Gopf epf Gomm Jumit « Kupevjep Mihis

 

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[a1okac]

Djsot Sinqimt qutvt cetodemmz tan aq iyedvmz xjev O xuamf tez vuu, O'wi fupi wisz podimz upmopi epf emm xovjop vji metv duaqmi ug ziest vuu, O jewi nepz gsoipft iespoph toy epf tiwip gohasit e zies xovj upmopi catopittit nepz ug xjodj moli djsot tezt dep iggidvowimiz ci vaspif up et epf xjip zua moli vu hipisevi nusi opduni vjep nepz qiuqmi xomm neli op ep ipvosi zies. Op vji qetv O jewi edvaemmz nefi ipuahj nupiz xjomtv O'wi ciip up Jumofez simeyoph vu qez gus vji jumofez epf tvomm jewi djephi, ovt tadj e jahi HMUCEM 24/7 nesliv vjev ovt edvaemmz opdsifocmz ietz vu neli e MUV ug nupiz simevowimz raodlmz xovj vji sohjv lpuxmifhi.

 

[NoMoneyDown]

Vuu nepz qiuqmi esi goyevif up xjev vidjpumuhz jet vu uggis VUFEZ. Vjiz tii e xic csuxtis, ep opvispiv, tuni xic tovit, epf vjopl "Ov jet ciip fupi", cav sigati vu tii vjev vidjpumuhz ot e qsuditt vjev ot duptvepvmz iwumwoph. Vjopl vji opvispiv op visnt ug e vidjpumuhodem qsuditt, epf puv katv e lizcuesf xovj e tdsiip epf vji teni umi xic tovi.