Grant Cardone is off his rocker...

[daivey]

I really enjoyed GC in the past, however, after his Jordan Belfort interview I lost all my respect for him.
Jordan ripped him to Shreds... GC sole purpose on his show was to rip JB apart, but JB is quick on his feet and a master conversationalist, completely owned GC.

To make things even better... MEET KEVIN on Youtube, also ripped GC apart.... then went on the JB show and gave a run down between how GC tried to sue MeetKevin.. This is nuts.

You guys need to check this out..

Moral: GC is trash and a faker. He's also a butt hurt little bitch.. for someone that struts around like he's king shit... total trash. Do not waste your time with this guy.

 

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[lowtek]

JB is a major conman who had a movie made after him. He failed in life and he's only worth a fraction nowadays of what he was once worth. Why would you want to listen to a convicted fellon anyway?

Oh I remember him calling for the imminent collapse of Bitcoin. Still waiting for it.

Don't get me started on 'Meet Kevin'. His greatest accomplishment is tying his name to Grant Cardone's. He's a slimy 2-faced salesman worth jack shit.

On the contrary to GC who actually is worth A LOT of money (NW around $300 million currently) and who isn't piggybacking on anyone. I have a lot of respect for what he has accomplished so far.

I'm not a fan of Jordan Belfort, and I really can't stand Kevin the Kvetcher, but it's probably not a good idea to engage in hero worship. Cardone is just a man. Learn from what you can, but don't put him on a pedestal.

 

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[GoodluckChuck]

I listened to most of the original interview and I didn't think it was that bad... Maybe because I have consumed a fair amount of GC content over the years and I understand how he thinks and can follow along with how he talks. To me, this interview is two sales trainers who have completely different perspectives on sales and are missing each other in the middle. They are just on different wavelengths.

If they hashed it out for a couple more hours I bet they would have ended up agreeing on most things, especially if the cameras were turned off.

Jordan Belfort's approach to sales training seems to be "figure out how the average sales team operates and then figure out how to make them better."

Grant Cardone's approach is "figure out the ideal sales team and teach everyone how to be like that."

Belfort was trying to define the status quo and Cardon is like "Hey dude, I don't give a F*ck about the status quo."

They are both talking about the same topic but from different angles.

I think there are some really good lessons in this interview. Please note that it is indeed an interview so most of the information is coming from Cardone as Belfort is just asking questions.

Lesson 1: Some businesses have higher earning potential than others. Cardone explains that he uses his sales training business to earn millions. He uses the real estate business to turn those millions into billions. This is a great insight for new business people that haven't figured this out yet. Your business likely has a ceiling. If you want to make 10m a year and your ceiling is 1m a year, you better find another game to play.

Lesson 2: You can sell the same product in different packages for different people. Cardone sells similar training to individuals as he does to enterprises for very different prices. Obviously both types of people are getting value or they would stop buying.

Lesson 3: Cash flow > cash. Cardone gives some real-world examples of how he learned this through experience during the 2008-2010 market turmoil era. Like him or not, he survived this era with not only all his money, but he came out of it way ahead of the competition.

Lesson 4: Volume is super important and marketing is how you get volume. Cardone, even though he sells sales training, is basically spilling the beans that sales are simply being upfront and honest and persistently pursuing massive amounts of possible buyers. The details and nuances of the individual salesman matter less than the volume of possible transactions.

There were more tidbits but this is what stuck out in my mind. I remember thinking that Belfort is probably trying to learn more about Cardone's operation so he can emulate it. They are playing on different levels and I think Belfort wants to be on Cardone's level. This is illustrated when you compare Cardone's sales floor of 50+ people to Belfort's sales floor of 10-12 people.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the "beef". Both of them are trying to sell you sales training and they both benefit from the publicity. It's very possible that it's orchestrated, though probably not as they both seem like ego-driven men.

Everyone talking about how insecure Cardone is should remember that he is always like this. The dude talks a million miles a minute and isn't the most eloquent speaker. I understood what he was saying because I've listened to his books a few times and am used to his language. Again, I think at the end of the day both of these guys would agree on more than they disagree on. Business is about selling products and services. It's not that complicated. They are both worth a lot of money, but Cardone takes the cake on that one.

I'm not going to watch the other videos about the "beef". It seems like a waste of time to me. It was hard enough to watch 80% of this one. Very cool seeing two sales legends sitting across the table from each other.

Cheers.

 

[GuestUser4aMPs1]

Man, this guru drama is just that. Drama.

Just get back to work ffs

 

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[GoodluckChuck]

I look at GC as a great example of what high volume action can do. He's not particularly talented or anything, but he works like a madman and it shows. He has built quite the empire and promotes living a legit life of character.

I know less about JB but I've read and listened to his book and watched a few videos he's put out. He strikes me as someone with a lot of talent. If you know his story you know that he abused that talent and paid dearly.

I think we can learn some things from both of them while being aware that they are both just people and people have flaws and make mistakes.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Is TLDW a thing?

I don't know or pay attention to any of the folks mentioned, or follow them. Can someone give me the TLDW of the supposed "feud"? I don't understand what's there to feud about; they're both salesmen trying to sell you something. Perhaps this "feud" is clever way to incite more clicks, more likes, and more sales.

 

[TCMorgan]

It's a shame to see GC going the direction he's headed. Sell or be Sold and Closer's Survival guide are great resources, and Cardone University is an effective sales curriculum. I've even met him in person and he was personable and fairly reserved.

I'd say this interview was just the result of him feeling intimidated, but all of his content has been pretty low-value lately.

Regardless, I'll take the same stance with him that I take with all gurus, thought leads, coaches, etc.: Extract value when extraction is possible and ignore the rest.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Someone who takes a lot of interest in these videos (and feuds) probably doesn't have a growing business to think about. It's like water-cooler gossip for employees. When the phones are ringing and the orders are piling up, there simply isn't time to take part in guru soap-operas.

I haven't watched one video.

Not one.

Don't care. Never will.

 

[Dan_Cardone]

People see my last name and assume I'm a GC fan... I'm not.

I don't like to talk shit about people behind their back but I will say, Grant's sells stuff kinda sucks compared to other stuff out there.

JBs stuff is good IF you have enough EQ to use it without turning into an overly pushy salesmen. I always tell guys new to sales to start with JBs stuff and then start building on top of it with lots of practice and material from guys like Jeb Blount and Mike Wineburg.

 

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[Dan_Cardone]

I will say this though: GC is partly right about NLP being B.S.

As a certified master practitioner of NLP I'd like to think I have a pretty solid grasp on it. Whenever someone ask me about learning NLP I tell them to save time and just go learn basic social skills, basic psychological influence techniques, and sales skills. When you remove all the pseudoscience BS from NLP that is all you are left with!

 

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[Fox]

"Cardone University is one division, [but] there are 16 companies.

There are two versions. Individual and corporate.

Corporate is around 40-80k a year. We have around 1,400 companies on there"

So that is between 56 - 112 million a year from one part of one business of a total of 16 businesses.

No comment on the drama but those are big figures.

 

[Tourmaline]

If you know his history it makes perfect sense. Ex coke fiend that lost his father when he was pretty young and dealt with a single mother with not much money raising three kids. GC is always trying to prove that he's valuable. He still isn't sure.

 

[Schonox]

JB is a major conman who had a movie made after him. He failed in life and he's only worth a fraction nowadays of what he was once worth. Why would you want to listen to a convicted fellon anyway?

Oh I remember him calling for the imminent collapse of Bitcoin. Still waiting for it.

Don't get me started on 'Meet Kevin'. His greatest accomplishment is tying his name to Grant Cardone's. He's a slimy 2-faced salesman worth jack shit.

On the contrary to GC who actually is worth A LOT of money (NW around $300 million currently) and who isn't piggybacking on anyone. I have a lot of respect for what he has accomplished so far.

 

[Dan_Cardone]

While I can't read the future I wouldn't be surprised at all if this 'feud' gets even bigger (and bring more attention to the both of them) before they "make friends" and come out with a $997 10 DVD sales program together. That Kevin guy, whoever he is, can do the introductions on DVD 1.

Reminds me of the fake twitter feuds thats up and coming rappers will engage in for publicity. Is this feud actually fake? Probably not but it wouldn't surprise me if it was.

 

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[James Klymus]

I used to watch a lot of GC's content, and jordan's. Back when I thought I wanted to be a stock broker and be exactly like jordan in the wolf of wall street (lmaoo) I used to partake in hero worship of these guys.

In fact I'd hero worship any guru who told me what I wanted to hear. Then I grew up and realized they were just people too, and it was a waste of my time to continue listening to them.

All the motivational self help stuff helped me when I was new to entrepreneurship, then it got old and I was led here.

In my opinion, this is akin to keeping up with the kardashians drama, but within our own community

 

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[1step]

I'm not implying that Cardone is a mastermind and was doing this on purpose, but I could see this being an effective strategy with a large enough audience. I'm sure they saw a little surge in website visitors during and after all this exposure. It's just putting more people into Cardone's funnel which is what he wants. Remember, "not interested is a level of interest."

I watched an hour of the interview, I have never seen a piece of content from either of them. I thought GC sounded like a moron, I would never listen to, get into his funnel or purchase anything from him again. I knew his name before the interview and my interest level was "almost no interest" now my interest level is "no interest" which I guess to him is still a level of interest. Nothing he said in the entire hour was at all insightful, which I didn't even know was possible.

 

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[Raoul Duke]

They both suck. That's my take.

 

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[GPM]

GC charges less for an individual, I would guess, is because that is one person using it. A company can have hundreds of people using the program. Next time you pop in a dvd (if that is even still a thing) check out the warnings at the start. It is illegal to show a private personal DVD at a group or paid function.

I had the whole thing on in the background while packing. It had its moments. GC did come off as combative and a bit insecure at times, but when GC goes home via his RR or his 10x plane I am pretty sure he won't be too busted up over his life.

The biggest take away for me? Work and make money, put that money into something that pays you without working. Use that "free" money to buy your stuff, not your sweat equity. Sounds good to me!

 

[PizzaOnTheRoof]

Not sure why people see Cardone as off? He comes across as he usually does. For me it was more JB kept running out of things to get out of Cardone, so he kept going back to previous topics like when he started at the beginning, his real estate, 10x etc.. etc.. just jumping all over. Cardone just kept giving him his same boring answers of volume and out work.

JB seemed to have a lot of trouble believing that Cardone doesn't love sales, when if ever watched Cardone before he's always said this. Which leads to the lesson of don't do what you love etc...

Is hard to follow why people think JB trashed Cardone? Cardone showed JB up when they talked about sales training, JB kept wanting to talk about average sales and Cardone's whole point is need to be better than average. When Cardone is making the point of how can a sales trainer be qualified to train other sales team if there own team isn't great was area that JB never revisited. So Cardone gives example of his sales team of 80 that he meticilous manage's and improves because his system works. JB has sales team of 10? if his system works why isn't he growing his team since more sales team is more sales?

I've never seen JB before, he wasn't really listening as much as he leads on or his intention was to rile up Cardone. JB took it to a very weird place at that NLP point, whole interview took a weird vibe so maybe something happened that didn't make it to the final cut. Also skipping his ads in first 20-30min think JB had as much or more white shirt ad time than the actual content so glad that didn't continue.

Also if was really a feud all Cardone has to say is let's do it in Vegas.. Since JB can't set foot on US soil if I remember correctly. Or make a jab about how he wouldn't know anything about how it was since he couldn't be in the US during 2008-2010.

If notice Cardone didn't ask one thing about JB since Cardone is only there to get the attention of JB's audience. He probably doesn't trust JB since really why would you? JB tried multiple times to create a bridge to connect with Grant on similar moments they both had drugs rehab etc.. and Grant didn't really bite.. Grant usually talks about getting together to do a show or seminar with whoever he is interviewing or interviewed by in this case his thought was a cage match with him...

Because GC never gave anything of real substance. Not to mention the ad hominem attacks to JB about his past and cage fighting him?!?!?

JB asked point-blank: "What exactly do you do when somebody says they're not interested."

GC: "No interest is interest. Give them something else to buy."

JB: "How did you manage to sell all those fish? What did you say?"

GC: "Hey man wanna buy some fish? I got some."

JB: "What's your strategy? What's something that listeners of this podcast can sink their teeth into?"

GC: "Just have a full pipeline. That is the strategy."

It all makes sense coming from a master marketer, NOT a master salesman. GC can sell of course, but the bulk of his wealth has come from personal branding/marketing.

Meanwhile, JB will actually take you to the whiteboard and show you step by step a method that works. Not saying he's god or anything.

 

[Andy Bell]

I read 3 of cardones books and I will say this I did get really fired up from them. I got some notes out of them, in regards to substance I would say hes the middle to bottom of the pack with a few useable actionable items. I did get some great things from him for example his massive action recommendations really fired me up and his fear responses made it worth the read.

One of my favorite lines from his 10x books for example is "
Fear is a sign that you’re doing something right and moving in the right direction
If you aren’t feeling fear – you aren’t doing enough of the right things.
Stop using fear as a scapegoat or an excuse to stop or retreat. Use it as a green light signal to keep going
To be successful, you must do what others refuse to do – and people normally feel fear and refuse to go towards it. To be successful, RUN towards it!
Starve your fear by taking away it’s favorite food – time!
“I handle this dilemma myself by omitting time from the equation – since time is what drives fear. The more time you devote to the object of your apprehension, the stronger it becomes.”"

Its not rocket science but hearing someone break it down validates it and fires me up. I wouldent say hes a fraud, hes got some decent stuff.

 

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[Dan_Cardone]

After listening to this, I was surprised. How does a guy like GC make so much money? How can people follow this dude? My old boss, who owns a small window company (15 mil) used to coach us, and he was the most friendly, dynamic, funny person, who showed a genuine warmth toward you. If he called on your house and you needed 2 windows, he'd walk out with an order for 8 windows and a sliding patio door. You'd also have a new friend.
He would bury Cardone in a cold sales call. I just don't get it I guess. GC lacks all of those qualities I saw in my old boss. Guess I was lucky to work for him instead of GC.

Not a GC fan but I don't think one bad intervew really gives an accurate picture at his skill at running and growing a company.

 

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[AgainstAllOdds]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ls3KDa7PMY

 

[Envision]

Is TLDW a thing?

I don't know or pay attention to any of the folks mentioned, or follow them. Can someone give me the TLDW of the supposed "feud"? I don't understand what's there to feud about; they're both salesmen trying to sell you something. Perhaps this "feud" is clever way to incite more clicks, more likes, and more sales.

Grant cardone went on Jordan Belforts podcast and Cardones ego basically wouldnt allow him to answer any questions that Belfort was genuinely curious about.

Cardone insulted, made fun of, and showed his lack of sales skills here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ls3KDa7PMY&t=172s


After the interview, Belfort made a video basically calling him an idiot.
Cardone responded saying he's an idiot.

The Meet Kevin guy responded to the interview in a Youtube video and went on Belfort's podcast after Jordan asked him to come on. When he came on he explained how Grant is suing him and how his team physically assaulted him.

Thats the jist of what I've followed.

EDIT: The comment section on that video is a gold mine if you're looking for a laugh

 

[Fastlane Liam]

hey guys i got fish

 

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[TheCj]

Not sure why people see Cardone as off? He comes across as he usually does. For me it was more JB kept running out of things to get out of Cardone, so he kept going back to previous topics like when he started at the beginning, his real estate, 10x etc.. etc.. just jumping all over. Cardone just kept giving him his same boring answers of volume and out work.

JB seemed to have a lot of trouble believing that Cardone doesn't love sales, when if ever watched Cardone before he's always said this. Which leads to the lesson of don't do what you love etc...

Is hard to follow why people think JB trashed Cardone? Cardone showed JB up when they talked about sales training, JB kept wanting to talk about average sales and Cardone's whole point is need to be better than average. When Cardone is making the point of how can a sales trainer be qualified to train other sales team if there own team isn't great was area that JB never revisited. So Cardone gives example of his sales team of 80 that he meticilous manage's and improves because his system works. JB has sales team of 10? if his system works why isn't he growing his team since more sales team is more sales?

I've never seen JB before, he wasn't really listening as much as he leads on or his intention was to rile up Cardone. JB took it to a very weird place at that NLP point, whole interview took a weird vibe so maybe something happened that didn't make it to the final cut. Also skipping his ads in first 20-30min think JB had as much or more white shirt ad time than the actual content so glad that didn't continue.

Also if was really a feud all Cardone has to say is let's do it in Vegas.. Since JB can't set foot on US soil if I remember correctly. Or make a jab about how he wouldn't know anything about how it was since he couldn't be in the US during 2008-2010.

If notice Cardone didn't ask one thing about JB since Cardone is only there to get the attention of JB's audience. He probably doesn't trust JB since really why would you? JB tried multiple times to create a bridge to connect with Grant on similar moments they both had drugs rehab etc.. and Grant didn't really bite.. Grant usually talks about getting together to do a show or seminar with whoever he is interviewing or interviewed by in this case his thought was a cage match with him...

 

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[Solid Snake]

I think Grant Cardone's point is, there is no secret it's just doing it. JB was trying to coax some special script or something. At the end of the day if you want it you will keep at it. JB was trying to talk about salespeople talking too long too avoid making other calls. How does this help anyone? People who are motivated aren't going to have that problem. Workplaces that allow that aren't building the right culture. For me watching I was uninterested in him bringing it up over n over, so can imagine Grant was probably thinking, well he even said that's not his world/reality.

If someone isn't interested they will just hang up. The first time some one says not interested they now know you. The second time they will remember the first time and they still might not be interested yet they might know someone who is or talk about you to someone else. When you randomly cold call this other person they might be interested. The point is someone has to know you first. So any reaction is ok.

The full pipeline and following up works, if you are busy contacting 100's of people a day you will get interested people. If you can followup even better.

If all a person got from Grant Cardone is to do way more to fill up the amount of people you can contact, that person will see a big improvement.

That's what I got out of it.

There’s no special script arguably, but there is a method, process, and certain goals you have to have within each sales calls and each cycle.

these tech and IT companies that sell high ticket value items have reps that make cold calls for them all day. They have to hit certain metrics (KPI).

You think they don’t teach them a refined methodology and even specific phrases to use in certain situations?


Cardone was BS’ing the whole time.

 

[GoodluckChuck]

I don't know why, but I'm enjoying seeing everyone's take on this. I imagine it's like watching a soap opera.

Here's a thought. Cardone went on Belfort's show to get exposure to Belfort's audience. Instead of validating Belfort's style and strategy he completely went the other direction and focused on two things:
1. "There is no secret to sales." - disqualifying Belfort's angle.
2. "I made millions using my strategy." - proving that he has done something right.

It seems like a possible way to pique the interest of Belfort's audience who like to worship gurus and haven't heard anyone talk about sales from the contrarian angle Cardone took.

I'm not implying that Cardone is a mastermind and was doing this on purpose, but I could see this being an effective strategy with a large enough audience. I'm sure they saw a little surge in website visitors during and after all this exposure. It's just putting more people into Cardone's funnel which is what he wants. Remember, "not interested is a level of interest."

Hahaha

 

[LuckyPup]

Appears to be a BS fight between two BS gurus. Not my circus, not my monkeys. Didn't watch it, not gonna watch it.

PS - Belfort has only paid back a fraction of the money he stole. Scumbag.

 

[Tourmaline]

haha yeah, very embarrassing interview for GC. You see what a fragile ego looks like compared to a strong one.

 

[reedracer]

Hahaha! I'm not much of a 'watcher' either. I'll read a 2000 word TL;DR long before I sit thru a 20 minute video, let alone over an hour.