Cold emailing is f*cking annoying from the business owners POV

[KJBe]

Sheesh, why do I care about one email in dozens of low value "well help you improve sales please respond sir"

Did I even read these? no...

Please guys, take note. Pro's don't have to emails hundreds of people to get sales, they just appear when they're searched for.

 

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[StrikingViper69]

I sometimes reply to tell them to F*ck off lol

 

[DareDevil]

wow I am working on a newsletter style branded cold email system as MailCheat(Chimp) only allows permissable mails, let me get your frustrations brother @KJBe ? what a great cold email looks like to you?
I wrote mail chimp but it gets autocorrect into mailcheat I don't know how lol

 

[DareDevil]

I sometimes reply to tell them to F*ck off lol

patience my friend they are trying to earn their bread ( I am biased as I am working on this)

 

[TheWiseGuy]

They're absolute pests.

 

[DareDevil]

They're absolute pests.

what pisses you off? Give me your best roast ever

 

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[StrikingViper69]

patience my friend they are trying to earn their bread ( I am biased as I am working on this)

They’re not trying, they’re being a PITA with the lowest possible effort. Everyday I get shit emails I have to sit and delete, they can all goto hell

 

[DareDevil]

They’re not trying, they’re being a PITA with the lowest possible effort. Everyday I get shit emails I have to sit and delete, they can all goto hell

Ok I understand They see people as numbers and money-chasing got it brother hmm, you waste time deleting emails seems like a pain point this is opposite of what I am working on now ,but working towards saving people from spams should be a better project ok once done I will work on this too

 

[MattR82]

I set up a filter in Gmail years and years ago, can't even remember how, but anything with the word "subscription" in the email goes straight to this folder. I just check it every few days to make sure nothing important slipped through.

 

[pkom79]

@KJBe, what would you consider a high value cold email?

 

[i_like_quinoa]

i don't mind them. they're hustling like everyone else. cold calls, ads, dms. its all the same.

Also, why are you looking at your spam folder lmao.

 

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[KJBe]

For starters, this wasn't my spam folder.

To explain a bit more, I do not want unsolicited offers. I am not looking to hire anyone at all, if somebody gave me free advice that would be higher value but how would I distinguish it in a sea of low value garbage? If you can figure that out, go ahead. Offer free advice to people, that's more respectful

 

[Kevin88660]

It’s a problem with Linkedin also.

I am bombarded with people want to help me get more customers, 5x my results.

 

[ZCP]

about 1 or 2 out of 100, i actually fwd to my people and is something we need.
use spam filter software / unsubscribe. i'd rather be offered something amazing than not know about it

 

[TheWiseGuy]

what pisses you off? Give me your best roast ever

If I wanted to hire somebody, I'd firstly seek them out.

Secondly, the vast majority of the spam emails I receive are written with broken English.

If they can't be bothered to clean up their grammar, I don't want to do business with them.

 

[Kevin88660]

I guess the deeper problem is too many gurus pushing people towards selling shovels to small business owners, without a real understanding of market needs.

Manage social media accounts for business owners.

Facebook marketing and generating inbound leads for business owners.

Business coaches, usually who were once in the industry, had 1-2 years of good results, exited quickly to sell the shovels.

Of course there must be a legitimate of real shovel sellers who are skillful, experienced, and found the right customers who need them like fueling kerosine on fire to their businesses.

But too many are just trying their luck spraying and hoping.

Most are poor fits to need. Most thriving businesses for whatever reasons do not need a better website. Most do not need more paid inbound leads. They do not need a coach who exited from the field ten years ago telling them what to do now.

If they have a physical office they need cleaners. Some need people to handle payroll and taxes and accounting. Some need someone to help them to apply loans and grants and open business bank accounts. They likely need some business related softwares to be installed. And of course business related insurance.

This is just general needs. I haven’t touched on industry specific needs.

Many labor intensives industries need transportation services. Moving workers from jetties to jetties to dorms in the port areas.

There are business that deal with machines and vehicles…like a lot of them. Just get the certifications and take up the vocational training. All machines and vehicles need maintenance. A mall or apartment needs someone to fix their lift.

A need is not best described as something that could add value to your client.

A need is best described as your client’s business cease to function or exist without such services by next day, next month, next quarter without your type of services.

A need is self-evidently non-negotiable.

 

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[BizyDad]

Don't we all have businesses to build?

If venting about this is the best use of your time, then either you don't know how to solve your own problem (good luck as a business owner) or you are so successful that you should be writing better posts than this.

 

[BellaPippin]

I'm not gonna lie I'm bringing the pro here @Andy Black I want to hear the counterargument because THIS is what I mean when I say I hate cold _______ . But supposedly I shouldn't feel like that, because I'm offering help and value, correct? But this proves my point (well at least OP opinion does). Nobody likes receiving these. So why would my *insert business here* be any different.

 

[pkom79]

Nobody likes cold emails, pop-ups, commercials on TV, ads on websites, text with offers, promo reads on podcasts, etc.

But they are not going away unless they stop working. It doesn't matter what OP, me, or anyone else likes or hates.

 

[StrikingViper69]

to clarify what I mean by cold email:

If someone reads my website and sees a genuine way to be helpful or provide value, I’m open to it. I do this all the time.

When I get an email saying “Hello good sir. I saw your website AUTOMATICMAILMERGE and I specialise in shopify conversion and can increase your sales. I await your reply, thank you” they can get lost

 

[yaponchik]

Nobody likes cold emails, pop-ups, commercials on TV, ads on websites, text with offers, promo reads on podcasts, etc.

But they are not going away unless they stop working. It doesn't matter what OP, me, or anyone else likes or hates.

cold mails doesn't work unless it some B2B where they have 6 months - 1 year sale cycles.

 

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[The-J]

You don't like them because they don't offer you anything of value. That's the lesson here, not "cold email is bad" but "spam is bad"

It's rule #1 and rule #2. Be attractive; don't be unattractive.

 

[pkom79]

cold mails doesn't work unless it some B2B where they have 6 months - 1 year sale cycles.

That is objectively not true. I literally just got off the phone with the guy I sent one cold email to and exchange emails with a few more. Not to mention, I closed hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue with sales cycles measured in weeks, not months or years.

 

[Andy Black]

I'm not gonna lie I'm bringing the pro here @Andy Black I want to hear the counterargument because THIS is what I mean when I say I hate cold _______ . But supposedly I shouldn't feel like that, because I'm offering help and value, correct? But this proves my point (well at least OP opinion does). Nobody likes receiving these. So why would my *insert business here* be any different.

Thanks for the tag @BellaPippin. I'm a pro at paid search, and I suppose at relationship building. I'm not a pro at anything cold.

The only cold calls I ever did was when I generated a lead with paid search and rang businesses to see if they could service them. That was fun but I didn't follow it up.

We're about to do similar and send leads via cold email to businesses - our theory being that some businesses will actually value these emails.

 

[markspray]

You will be surprised at larger clients who will forward these emails to me as they look for growth opportunities and if written correct with this guys knows something of value they will want to know more.

Just like anything for example ads there are more bad examples then good people hear the words there is gold in cold emails so fire it up and never learn the art deeper

I got a client by screwing up and calling him an American when he was Canadian because I didn't filter my list properly ages back . Why because he related to us being grouped as part of new Zealand when I'm in Australia and we had a conversation. All about starting conversations

 

[ZCP]

To say things 'do' or 'do not' work is ridiculous. MKT cycles every few quarters ..... cold calls on Friday afternoon work again. Direct emails to the CEO / President work again. Keep trying everything. Double down on stuff that works. Cycle stuff that doesn't.


3 pillars of MKT for leads:
Funnel … how they find you, site, listings, seo, adspend
Outreach … calls, mailers, emails, LinkedIn dms, door to door
Loop …. Asking for adds, asking for referrals, follow ups, recycle loops, CRM

Do all three … all the time

 

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