ChatGPT - Am I missing something here

[AllenCrawley]

ChatGPT 4 has become such an invaluable and powerful tool that I use every day. However, it's only as good as the prompts you provide it. You can put GPT on steroids when using browser extensions and plug-ins.

Here are just some of the things I use it for daily:

• As a Virtual/Personal Assistant
  
  • writing/responding to customer/prospect emails
  • pitch emails (HARO)
  • summarizing long or complex articles, emails, etc.
• As a Marketing and SEO Consultant
  
  • Analyzing customer survey data to identify common answers
  • Brainstorming promotional/blog/marketing campaign ideas
  • Fine-tuning our customer avatar
  • Creating various calendars (email marketing, content/blog, social posts, etc)
  • SEO and Keyword research
• As a Copywriter
  
  • TIP: be sure to explain your business, products, and customer avatar first to improve the output
  • TIP: ChatGPT knows sales and copywriting frameworks - specify which framework you want it to use
  • Email and SMS copywriting - subject lines, preview texts, and email
  • Writing UVPs, headlines, and subheadings
  • New Product descriptions
  • Long-form sales pages
  • Rewriting or expanding existing product descriptions
  • Ad copy and social media post copy
  • Blog articles and advertorials
• For Shopify Theme Code Customizations
  
  • I've used it several times to fix or customize code saving me money by not hiring it out.

Here are some of the Chrome browser extensions I use:

• HARPA AI | ChatGPT - crazy good AI Assistant (possibilities with this extension are endless)
• Keywords Everywhere (can connect to your ChatGPT account)
• GPT for Work - a Google Sheets/Docs Extension (I use to analyze survey response data)
• AIPRM for ChatGPT
• Youtube Summary with ChatGPT

[edited to specify the extensions are Chrome browser extensions]

 

[MJ DeMarco]

I think you are missing it.

ChatGPT is a tool. It has saved me countless hours in time.

If the tool is used wrong, it won't work for you. Kinda like buying a hammer to pound a screw into a piece of wood.

Minimally, ChatGPT is a great tool to give you leads for problem solving.

A lot of times it doesn't solve the problem, but it gives you clues where you should be looking.

 

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[AllenCrawley]

How? I don't have access to plugins under my paid subscription. Am i missing something?

They're just Chrome browser extensions. Install them and connect them to your ChatGPT account.

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[kyrisu]

I think I'm in a similar boat as you (I'm a software developer with over 15 years in the industry).

What made it click for me is when I've read Simon Willson article comparing Chat GPT to a "calculator for words". It just made sense since then:

- want it to answer factual question - no go (this can actually be solved with the right plugins like Wolfram Alpha)
- want it to paraphrase something - can do (although there's still the problem of hallucinations)
- want it to create a short, catchy marketing copy / ad based on a product description - it's a tool for you

In my opinion, it has the potential to replace junior people (both for copy and code). You still need to review the output, but it's a start.
It can also work as a brainstorming tool. What it says is sometimes garbage, but it may point you in the right direction or make you think.

 

[GuavaFruit]

I have a set of structured data that I produce with my bespoke software I wrote. I need to look at the data looking for patterns. I currently use SQL in a relational database to do this and it does work. I want to see if A.I can understand it better.

If it's heavily numeric data you might have limited success with the large language models. It takes a bunch of trickery to get them even to simple sums correctly.

The randomization is not wild enough. We need ChatGPT to be able to churn out a very random, wide, diverse variety of content on the same topic.

I think this is a consequence of the alignment work (RLHF). Random, very diverse content might occasionally produce content that is offensive or harmful.

You can have a play with a bunch of different models for free on AI Playground - the text-davinci-xxx models are bigger than ChatGPT (gpt3.5-turbo) on there but haven't undergone RLHF or instruction tuning. You can also play with the temperature used, the higher the temperature the more random and diverse the output would be.

(If you're going to play with those models, your prompts need to be formulated as a completion not as instructions)

 

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[GuavaFruit]

Do you have an example of what you mean by "completion" and not as instructions?

Sure. An example completion might be:

"Story title: What happened when a small mouse went to the big city

Body: There once was a small young mouse called "

Essentially the model is completing from your prompt onward (which is exactly what it was trained to do, predict the next word).

That's in contrast to instruction, which is just "Write me a story about a small mouse going to a big city".

 

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[The-J]

Hi,

I am from a computing background and have a computer science and had my own I.T company for 20+ years.

I tried ChatGPT is this just emperors new clothes or is it my age showing.

I instructed it to write content for me and after a while it all started all looking the same.

This cannot be good for SEO I write all my content myself and rank very high in a competative industry that has took me about 3 years to get there.

I like natural content flow and I do not think ChatGPT does this. Plus everybody will have the same content moving forward.

With respect to it producing code I think does it produce efficient code?

In the commercial sector you break down business requiremnets into functional and then through the software lifecycle were does ChatGPT fit in here?

It was fun using it but it's not for me.

Plus if I was paying for SEO and someone was using ChatGPT to produce it I would be pretty pissed off.

I will probably get slated for this.

Part of what I do is create SEO content for an agency that has 50+ clients. ChatGPT speeds up the workflow but it cannot do all the work for you.

It cannot be trusted to provide correct information. Therefore, it can't be used to write content straight up. You have to provide it with the right information, otherwise ChatGPT is going to say some stuff that sounds right but could be downright harmful.

What it's GREAT for is changing the tone of your writing, finding synonyms, paraphrasing, simplifying, expanding on text, and organizing unorganized text. This makes ChatGPT a real lifesaver for those who spend hours sitting trying to figure out the right way to communicate an idea: you ask ChatGPT and it'll do it in as many ways as you want.

It's not going to stop some people from trying to use ChatGPT the "easy way", though. Those people are gonna get penalized by Google for having dupe content. Good luck to those people.

The code sucks but I hear CoPilot is a little better.

 

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[AllenCrawley]

I would also beware of self-serving bias, since many people who make money doing stuff that ChatGPT can do have an incentive to believe that they can't be replaced by a computer. I'm not convinced this is true.

However, I keep saying this: "the eyes of the master do more work than his hands". All human communication NEEDS a human eye to look at it before it's published, otherwise the risks are just too high.

^^^ Worth quoting.

I should point out that I never just take ChatGPT's output and paste it straight away. That would be folly. I always review it for accuracy, brand voice, etc. Everything takes some level of editing. Don't be lazy about it. I also run anything that will be posted publicly through Copyscape and an AI detection tool like ContentatScale.

 

[DeepChill]

Been using GPT-4 pretty much every waking hour since its release in a professional setting and here's my thoughts:

For writing(website copy, blog posts, other longform content): 6/10. It's generic. With careful prompt engineering you can improve it but the best method for me has been to write out the outlines yourself and ask it to expand on them with specific directions. It's also good for writing generic outlines, but not actual high quality writing calibrated with what you really need.

For learning about new concepts: 8.5/10, as long as what you want to know is beginner - early intermediate level. Falls off later on.

For coding: 7/10, works great for most mundane tasks and can do very few tasks that requires careful thought. Best use to get it to write code for mundane tasks and debugging. Wouldn't use it for much else.

In general it's been generic and after using it quite a bit it just feels like a slight improvement on GPT3.5 rather than an early AGI as it felt like early on.

 

[Xeon]

The biggest problem with ChatGPT v4 now, is that, say, if you ask it to write a short storey about a mouse who went on an adventure in the city, it will keep writing more or less of the same plot. You can ask it to rewrite with new prompts but it's still the same with perhaps a few words changed.

The randomization is not wild enough. We need ChatGPT to be able to churn out a very random, wide, diverse variety of content on the same topic.

 

[kyrisu]

The biggest problem with ChatGPT v4 now, is that, say, if you ask it to write a short storey about a mouse who went on an adventure in the city, it will keep writing more or less of the same plot. You can ask it to rewrite with new prompts but it's still the same with perhaps a few words changed.

The randomization is not wild enough. We need ChatGPT to be able to churn out a very random, wide, diverse variety of content on the same topic.

If your client allows it - play with the temperature parameter. Temperature closer to 1 should give you a lot of variation in the responses, although it may be less coherent.

 

[GuavaFruit]

Speaking of ChatGPT I stumbled across Github Copilot today that uses ChatGPT. Anyone using this service? Looks like it would be great to code anything or at least get you a great starter template.

I use Copilot though I find for throwing up a first pass of things GPT4 is better, I tend to get better results explaining the nuances of what I want. Copilot's great for editing and adding code though.

If you do use Copilot and visual studio code I recommend trying the nightly Copilot plugin and then installing Github's Copilot labs plugin. This gives you extra functionality like having Copilot explain bits of code to you and generate tests automatically.

 

[shayfer]

ChatGPT 4 has become such an invaluable and powerful tool that I use every day. However, it's only as good as the prompts you provide it. You can put GPT on steroids when using browser extensions and plug-ins.

Here are just some of the things I use it for daily:

• As a Virtual/Personal Assistant
  
  • writing/responding to customer/prospect emails
  • pitch emails (HARO)
  • summarizing long or complex articles, emails, etc.
• As a Marketing and SEO Consultant
  
  • Analyzing customer survey data to identify common answers
  • Brainstorming promotional/blog/marketing campaign ideas
  • Fine-tuning our customer avatar
  • Creating various calendars (email marketing, content/blog, social posts, etc)
  • SEO and Keyword research
• As a Copywriter
  
  • TIP: be sure to explain your business, products, and customer avatar first to improve the output
  • TIP: ChatGPT knows sales and copywriting frameworks - specify which framework you want it to use
  • Email and SMS copywriting - subject lines, preview texts, and email
  • Writing UVPs, headlines, and subheadings
  • New Product descriptions
  • Long-form sales pages
  • Rewriting or expanding existing product descriptions
  • Ad copy and social media post copy
  • Blog articles and advertorials
• For Shopify Theme Code Customizations
  
  • I've used it several times to fix or customize code saving me money by not hiring it out.

Here are some of the Chrome browser extensions I use:

• HARPA AI | ChatGPT - crazy good AI Assistant (possibilities with this extension are endless)
• Keywords Everywhere (can connect to your ChatGPT account)
• GPT for Work - a Google Sheets/Docs Extension (I use to analyze survey response data)
• AIPRM for ChatGPT
• Youtube Summary with ChatGPT

[edited to specify the extensions are Chrome browser extensions]

I have been addicted to playing with these Chrome extensions all morning after reading your post. This needs to be a High Value Topic.

Have you found any extensions that allow ChatGPT to create pictures, charts, graphs?
I have tried different ways to input more into text into the chat window but hate the limit. I think it's like 2048? Have you figured out a way to get around that as well?

 

[GuavaFruit]

Have you found any extensions that allow ChatGPT to create pictures, charts, graphs?
I have tried different ways to input more into text into the chat window but hate the limit. I think it's like 2048? Have you figured out a way to get around that as well?

Not inside ChatGPT but Microsoft has a free beta for it's OpenAI-powered designer up Microsoft Designer - Stunning designs in a flash

With regards to cramming more text in to the context window, without switching to some other model (GPT4 on the OpenAI API has a 32k context window if you're approved), you can get GPT4 (which you need to have ChatGPT Pro to use) to condense it's context which can sometimes buy you a little more space:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1643415357615640577

View: https://twitter.com/gfodor/status/1643415357615640577

 

[standrews00]

I wish I could find the right people to help me in this area I just do not have the time to learn it all. I have also been trying also to find a Betfair developer for 3 years. We have all of these outsourcing websites out there not mentioning names but I have struggled. I like to functionally decompose my requirements with a clear spec and then hand it over to the right people to implement. I think life was easier 10 years ago. Grumpy old man here!

GitHub - f/awesome-chatgpt-prompts: This repo includes ChatGPT prompt curation to use ChatGPT better.

This repo includes ChatGPT prompt curation to use ChatGPT better. - f/awesome-chatgpt-prompts

github.com

 

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[adnanazmi]

Hi,

I am from a computing background and have a computer science and had my own I.T company for 20+ years.

I tried ChatGPT is this just emperors new clothes or is it my age showing.

I instructed it to write content for me and after a while it all started all looking the same.

This cannot be good for SEO I write all my content myself and rank very high in a competative industry that has took me about 3 years to get there.

I like natural content flow and I do not think ChatGPT does this. Plus everybody will have the same content moving forward.

With respect to it producing code I think does it produce efficient code?

In the commercial sector you break down business requiremnets into functional and then through the software lifecycle were does ChatGPT fit in here?

It was fun using it but it's not for me.

Plus if I was paying for SEO and someone was using ChatGPT to produce it I would be pretty pissed off.

I will probably get slated for this.

I am using ChatGPT to consume educational YouTube videos at a frightening pace. I literally consumed a bunch of Andrew Hubermans videos in minutes. And then collect that info on a Notion page.

This is literal Gold info... I am going to share it because I love this community and y'all have taught me a lot.

I do this by using a tool to download the transcript of a YouTube video. Then plug it into ChatGPT and prompt it to "List all the key points, using simple English." If relevant I would ask it to give me actionable steps to achieve what I watched.

I usually watch videos first and then use it to capture the key points and then solidify that information in my head in Notion afterwards.

I hope you find this helpful!

 

[Mark Horrocks]

Hi,

I am from a computing background and have a computer science and had my own I.T company for 20+ years.

I tried ChatGPT is this just emperors new clothes or is it my age showing.

I instructed it to write content for me and after a while it all started all looking the same.

This cannot be good for SEO I write all my content myself and rank very high in a competative industry that has took me about 3 years to get there.

I like natural content flow and I do not think ChatGPT does this. Plus everybody will have the same content moving forward.

With respect to it producing code I think does it produce efficient code?

In the commercial sector you break down business requiremnets into functional and then through the software lifecycle were does ChatGPT fit in here?

It was fun using it but it's not for me.

Plus if I was paying for SEO and someone was using ChatGPT to produce it I would be pretty pissed off.

I will probably get slated for this.

 

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[Andy Black]

Here's one way I'm using ChatGPT to speed up what I do:

EXECUTION - Building long-tail Google Ads campaigns for fun and profit

Here's what I've setup so far and why. 1) Someone Googles on their mobile for "xyz carlisle" (Carlisle being a location in the UK). 2) They click this ad: 3) They visit this dynamic landing page: 4) They click the "Get Notified" button and get sent to this Google Form: I'd like to...

www.thefastlaneforum.com

I also used it to come up with ad copy for a beauty niche I know nothing about.

 

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[Mark Horrocks]

That's actually semi possible, but it involves a bit more work than just pasting the data into the prompt. Event with GPT 4 with 34k token context length (meaning your prompt can have ~24k words) it may not be enough for larger datasets.

"semi possible" because there's still the issue of hallucinations, so you will need to double-check the data.

I wish I could find the right people to help me in this area I just do not have the time to learn it all. I have also been trying also to find a Betfair developer for 3 years. We have all of these outsourcing websites out there not mentioning names but I have struggled. I like to functionally decompose my requirements with a clear spec and then hand it over to the right people to implement. I think life was easier 10 years ago. Grumpy old man here!

 

[Mark Horrocks]

Sure. An example completion might be:

"Story title: What happened when a small mouse went to the big city

Body: There once was a small young mouse called "

Essentially the model is completing from your prompt onward (which is exactly what it was trained to do, predict the next word).

That's in contrast to instruction, which is just "Write me a story about a small mouse going to a big city".

Many thanks today for all your comments it is much appreciated. I love the level of knowledge on this website.

 

[vampa]

I feel like chagpt can be good for SEO content but purely to write outlines or structures of an article - the rest needs to be written by a human.

 

[nopalmer]

I tried ChatGPT is this just emperors new clothes or is it my age showing.

I like how you put it. At first, I was wondering the same thing. Mostly because it's really easy to spot the content written by ChatGPT since there is quite a recognizable pattern. However, I had a chance to talk to a couple of guys who spend hours writing prompts and testing them. One glance at these was enough for me to see that these instructions are far more complex than those I tried out. Consequently, the content was of much better quality than my poor attempts. It still needed some editing but the fact is - this tool can save tons of time when used properly.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Here are some of the extensions I use:

• HARPA AI | ChatGPT - crazy good AI Assistant (possibilities with this extension are endless)
• Keywords Everywhere (can connect to your ChatGPT account)
• GPT for Work - a Google Sheets/Docs Extension (I use to analyze survey response data)
• AIPRM for ChatGPT
• Youtube Summary with ChatGPT

How? I don't have access to plugins under my paid subscription. Am i missing something?

 

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[Mark Horrocks]

Part of what I do is create SEO content for an agency that has 50+ clients. ChatGPT speeds up the workflow but it cannot do all the work for you.

It cannot be trusted to provide correct information. Therefore, it can't be used to write content straight up. You have to provide it with the right information, otherwise ChatGPT is going to say some stuff that sounds right but could be downright harmful.

What it's GREAT for is changing the tone of your writing, finding synonyms, paraphrasing, simplifying, expanding on text, and organizing unorganized text. This makes ChatGPT a real lifesaver for those who spend hours sitting trying to figure out the right way to communicate an idea: you ask ChatGPT and it'll do it in as many ways as you want.

It's not going to stop some people from trying to use ChatGPT the "easy way", though. Those people are gonna get penalized by Google for having dupe content. Good luck to those people.

The code sucks but I hear CoPilot is a little better.

I totally agree. ChatGPT cannot convey emotions when writing content. I am not convinced by this AI tool it reminds me of the 'Spinwriter' products to produce content years ago absolute rubbish. I have just be playing with Discord for image generation got asked for a subcription upgrade straight away. Not produced an image yet. Tulip fever comes to mind here.

 

[The-J]

ChatGPT cannot convey emotions when writing content.

It can, but it might not be the emotions you intend to convey. Ultimately the best way to use ChatGPT for writing that I've found is to print out prose and then let me manually go through it and improve it myself.

Ask ChatGPT to rewrite your content in a persuasive tone. It'll sound like cheesy sales copy. Ask it to write it in a journalistic tone. It'll sound like a CNN article. Ask it to write it in a heartfelt tone. Still cheesy, but not bad. ChatGPT is better at this than people give it credit for.

Everyone thinks their writing is good, but I've tested my copy against ChatGPT's copy. Some won, some lost.

ChatGPT is not as good as it will be, though. And Alex Hormozi recently tweeted something like: "What if ChatGPT is just the MySpace of AI tools?"

I would also beware of self-serving bias, since many people who make money doing stuff that ChatGPT can do have an incentive to believe that they can't be replaced by a computer. I'm not convinced this is true.

However, I keep saying this: "the eyes of the master do more work than his hands". All human communication NEEDS a human eye to look at it before it's published, otherwise the risks are just too high.

 

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[adnanazmi]

That's interesting. What tool are you using?


I didn't this once for one of my own forum threads to see if it would help me write a summary. It completely missed the point though.

I use the 'Youtube Subtitle Download Helper' Chrome Extension. I use this on Bing Browser Extension. Note: I use Chrome for my day-to-day activities but I use Bing just for this purpose and works very well. Make sure to download it in .txt format. Andy try it and let me know. I will share an example if it still does not work.

 

[adnanazmi]

I use the 'Youtube Subtitle Download Helper' Chrome Extension. I use this on Bing Browser Extension. Note: I use Chrome for my day-to-day activities but I use Bing just for this purpose and works very well. Make sure to download it in .txt format. Andy try it and let me know. I will share an example if it still does not work.

You can also use it to give a general summary of different books to see if they are worth reading. Example:

Here's a list of the key points from each chapter of "How to Think Like a Roman Emperor: The Stoic Philosophy of Marcus Aurelius" by Donald Robertson:

- Stoicism is a philosophy that emphasizes virtue, reason, and self-control.
- We should focus on what is within our control and accept what is not.
- Living in accordance with nature is a central tenet of Stoicism.
- The dichotomy of control is the idea that some things are within our control, while others are not.
- Focusing on what is within our control can lead to greater happiness and fulfillment.
- Accepting what is beyond our control can help us avoid unnecessary suffering and anxiety.
- Mindfulness is a practice that involves paying attention to the present moment without judgment.
- Developing self-awareness can help us live a more fulfilling life.
- Self-awareness can help us identify negative patterns of thinking and behavior and make positive changes.
- Viewing the world from a cosmic perspective can help us gain perspective and reduce our attachment to external events.
- Developing a sense of detachment can help us live a more fulfilling life.
- The practice of viewing the world from a cosmic perspective can help us stay focused on what is truly important.
- Contemplating our own mortality can help us live a more meaningful life.
- The Stoics believed that reflecting on death can help us appreciate the value of each moment.
- Living in accordance with our values can help us find fulfillment and purpose.
- Acting virtuously, treating others with kindness, and being mindful of our role in society are central tenets of Stoic ethics.
- The concept of oikeiôsis emphasizes the importance of extending our sense of compassion and concern beyond ourselves.
- Living in accordance with Stoic ethics can help us find greater fulfillment and purpose in life.
- Developing resilience can help us bounce back from setbacks and adversity.
- The Stoics believed in the power of reason to help us overcome challenges.
- Cultivating a resilient mindset can help us face challenges with greater confidence and strength.
- Stoic principles can be applied in modern therapy, including cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT).
- The practice of mindfulness and other Stoic techniques can help us overcome negative patterns of thinking and behavior.
- Applying Stoic principles in our lives can help us find greater happiness and fulfillment.

 

[DeepChill]

I used the free version to summarise one of my forum threads. It missed the point of what the thread was about.

That's the older version. If you want, link to a thread and I'll use my own GPT-4 subscription to get a summary and post it here for you.

 

[Mark Horrocks]

I think I'm in a similar boat as you (I'm a software developer with over 15 years in the industry).

What made it click for me is when I've read Simon Willson article comparing Chat GPT to a "calculator for words". It just made sense since then:

- want it to answer factual question - no go (this can actually be solved with the right plugins like Wolfram Alpha)
- want it to paraphrase something - can do (although there's still the problem of hallucinations)
- want it to create a short, catchy marketing copy / ad based on a product description - it's a tool for you

In my opinion, it has the potential to replace junior people (both for copy and code). You still need to review the output, but it's a start.
It can also work as a brainstorming tool. What it says is sometimes garbage, but it may point you in the right direction or make you think.

Thanks for your comments especially the marketing copy. I would love a tool I could give it a set of data 5 years and verbally ask what it recognised in terms of specific questions. I know data mining tools exist but it requires a great deal of work.

 

[kyrisu]

I would love a tool I could give it a set of data 5 years and verbally ask what it recognised in terms of specific questions.

That's actually semi possible, but it involves a bit more work than just pasting the data into the prompt. Event with GPT 4 with 34k token context length (meaning your prompt can have ~24k words) it may not be enough for larger datasets.

"semi possible" because there's still the issue of hallucinations, so you will need to double-check the data.