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Discussion in 'Business Models, Niches, Industries' started by biophase, Aug 28, 2015.

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    So, you're saying that for a product / company to be making any profits, it needs to be selling at 5x or more its cost of production? Tbh, this is really high and I'm not sure it's the norm (in eCommerce in general, not just Amazon marketplace).

    Also, what are your thoughts on lead magnets with regards to eCommerce? Have you used them before?
    Lead magnets as in coupons/discounts, informative blog content related to the product and other incentives. A lot of articles about how to use lead magnets tend to be more for people selling eBooks or SaaS.
    (*the big con with using coupons as lead magnets is that it trains customers to only buy when there is one)
     
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    When your price point is that low, under $25, you need at least 5x. With products that are between $30-$100 you can get away with 3x.

    In general most Amazon products look like this 33% COGS, 33% profit margin, 33% Amazon fees. So you could get away with a $5 product selling at $15, making $5. But once you put PPC into the mix it will drag your 33% of the profit down. An ACOS of 33% and you breakeven.

    What would be better is selling at $15, COGS $3, Amazon fees at $5, profit is $7. Now your breakeven ACOS is around 45% which is way more doable on a competitive product.
     
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    Hello Biophase,

    I am in service business and I don't know much about e-commerce, actually I don't know nothing except it's a online store. However I would like to learn about it. But I have no clue where to start. Is there any book or youtube chanel you would suggest? Perhaps thread which explain e-commerce for beginners?

    Maybe you are familiar with some of titles bellow:
    I would really appreciate your input / pointing in right direction.
    Thanks.
     
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    Not sure if this is the best place to post this question, but here it goes.
    Does anyone have any experience trying to work around patents? I have an idea that I know there is a need for. The problem is, there are two companies that are selling this product and there is a patent on the product. Their products accomplish the same thing, but they are slightly different. They are doing an absolute terrible job though. Their websites are terrible. Only one of them has it on amazon and it has zero reviews. So, I know it can be done much better. Is it worth hiring an attorney to do patent research to tell me what improvements I could legally make to the product?
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    I would never try to bypass a patent without professional legal advice. Patent law is very complex and failing to understand just one word in a patent lodgement could be disastrous.

    Many people gamble on the patent proprietor being unwilling or financially unable to sue, but if someone sued you for millions, claiming loss of profits, would you survive?

    Walter
     
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    Do it from China. The Chinese don't recognise patents.
     
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    But then selling in the US could get him in trouble right?
     
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    Not if the company is registered in China. I know factories who do it and they don't give a F*ck about it either.

    I know guys who swipe the best performing Kickstarter campaigns, build and sell the product before the Kickstarter's ended. They sell millions of units too.
     
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    Any US lawsuit would have to go through Chinese courts. Good luck with that.
     
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    How many reviews are required to kick start sell on amazon?

    What is effect of review on sales?


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    Thanks for the reply Walter. I'm not a billionaire yet, so no I would not survive. I'm speaking with an attorney next week. If there's no way around it, I am going to try and buy the company out somehow
     
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    that's too shady for me
     
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    Apart from the ethics, reliance on the extreme difficulty of pursuing any case in Chinese courts does give IP thieves some protection, but that is not the whole story.

    The legitimate IP owner will easily succeed in having the copyist's sites and other listings taken down. This overnight destroys their illegitimate business.

    The IP owner will often sue the thief for damages, with the result likely to be bankruptcy.

    Law enforcement authorities get involved if the offense is deemed serious, and heavy fines and sometimes prison time result.

    These things happen quite often, but get relatively little press, because there is so much more exciting stuff with which to entertain the public.

    Walter
     
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    How do you feel about launching a brand into Amazon? To clarify, I developed my own unique product, invested in totally custom tooling, and am building an ecom presence from scratch. No alibaba sourced stuff.

    I'm afraid if I put up products on Amazon, I'll get hammered by fake reviews and other black hat tactics that will kill my brand before I ever get off the ground. So many horror stories out there about the amazon snake pit. Any thoughts?
     
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    Never said it was ethical. It is what it is.

    I work with factories direct (removed the brokers a long time ago) so I know all their tricks.
     
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    If you're successful - you'll get knocked off in ANY market.

    Spanx was ripped off but that didn't stop Sara Blakely from creating a $1bn+ thriving business. That's why I always say: BUILD A BRAND. You are unstoppable.
     
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    Hey @biophase ,

    Can’t thank you enough for the massive amount of value you brought to this thread over the years. I just read through the whole thing and I’m left with 2 questions.

    1. How did you validate your niche once you first startet your brand?. Did you check for more products with potential for improvement right after you decided on your first product in a specific niche? Or did you first make sure that there will be enough products to improve on before you even got involved in the niche?

    Not sure if this one was answered:

    2. How do you deal with the upcoming force sending to FBA directly from China? I see more and more of these folks all over the place selling direct every month. Can you still compete through differentiation or don’t they just copy your product improvements in no time so they regain their advantage to offer at a better price?
     
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    1) I usually have an idea of how I would expand before I do the first product. So if I were doing a stapler, I'd think about how my brand would look. So I'd probably think, stapler, tape dispenser, pencil holder and then maybe some desk organizers.

    2) I don't pay any attention to them at all. You will have to figure out a way to do something that a China competitor won't do or can't copy. Or just do it better than them. They can't communicate as well as you. They don't know what they are making or know the intricacies of how the product is used.
     
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    Look at basically any smaller Chinese brand on Amazon (not talking about Huawei or something). "Branding" is something they never heard about: the name of their brand is made up and doesn't make any sense (to name a few that I just searched: Nowyeh, Yescom, Wondruz, Loveuing, this list goes on), the language they use in their listings is often so terribly bad (might have used online translators), and their photos are a joke more than often.

    Some people look through this and buy it, but for most westerners, it looks so unprofessional on the first sight. Chinese marketing is so much different than ours, and that's how we still can make a difference. Although it will probably not stay that way.
     
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