A Mass of Mass Shootings... Guns? Or Mental Illness?

[ChrisV]

Yeah... the "firearms suicides" vs "gun buy back program" is an example of the asinine graphs people make to support a point. Of course firearm suicides went down... they become hanging and exsanguination suicides instead. Reminds me of the chart "cheese consumption vs death by bedsheet entanglement."

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Although that may not be so random... Cage movies can be pretty horrible lol

 

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[WJK]

Ah yes, it won't take someone long to blame guns, Trump, Fox News, and whatever else that justifies taking away my right to own a firearm.

Once again, the real problem isn't guns, but mental illness. Where does this mental illness come from? Maybe we should stop medicating our young people with pharmaceuticals (Ritalin, Prozac, etc) while constantly reminding them that their life sucks (social media) and that they have no chance to change it (the media) while their best bet is to become a slave to a system for 50 years (education).

When mental illness wants to wreak destruction, it will simply go the the easiest, most effective means of doing so. In the US, unfortunately, that will always be a gun. Take away the gun, and it will be driving a car through a crowd, or a homemade bomb. Removing guns doesn't solve the problem, it just makes the mentally insane people have to work a little harder.



True, but not because of guns, but because we're surrounded by mental illness, depression, and rage (against the system). The gun is the easiest outlet (and most effective) expression of rage.

There are a lot of threads on this forum relating to mental illness. depression and matters of the mind. Unaddressed, they can compound into serious issues, so serious, that the idea of killing innocent people becomes an idea.

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Ah yes, it won't take someone long to blame guns, Trump, Fox News, and whatever else that justifies taking away my right to own a firearm.

Once again, the real problem isn't guns, but mental illness. Where does this mental illness come from? Maybe we should stop medicating our young people with pharmaceuticals (Ritalin, Prozac, etc) while constantly reminding them that their life sucks (social media) and that they have no chance to change it (the media) while their best bet is to become a slave to a system for 50 years (education).

When mental illness wants to wreak destruction, it will simply go the the easiest, most effective means of doing so. In the US, unfortunately, that will always be a gun. Take away the gun, and it will be driving a car through a crowd, or a homemade bomb. Removing guns doesn't solve the problem, it just makes the mentally insane people have to work a little harder.



True, but not because of guns, but because we're surrounded by mental illness, depression, and rage (against the system). The gun is the easiest outlet (and most effective) expression of rage.

There are a lot of threads on this forum relating to mental illness. depression and matters of the mind. Unaddressed, they can compound into serious issues, so serious, that the idea of killing innocent people becomes an idea.

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Humans have always lived with danger, violence, and fear. That's life. We've gone from wild animals and falling off of cliffs to a day where some of the biggest self-inflicted dangers come from little pill bottles, coupled with a culture which promotes victimhood.

I believe that one purpose of these mass shootings is to make people afraid to live their daily lives. Before instant news, it took days for everyone to find out what happened - if they ever did. Shootings don't scare me. I figure that the odds of me being at the scene of one of these is very low. So, they really don't change my life.

About mental illness -- that is a real factor. I deal with it daily through my tenants and contacts. As a country, we closed our mental hospitals, turning the mentally ill out onto our streets, which created an army of homeless people. It was all in the name of allowing them the personal right to refuse medical care. Then we medicated as many people as we can get to swallow or sit still for a needle -- regardless of their mental state. How can we wonder why we have more problems?

 

[Bearcorp]

Jeez Australians are hardcore lol. I was expecting at least knives or suffocation. But F that, Aussies just do it with their bare hands.

But yes, any time I see data on this it seems to corroborate the old "guns don't kill people, people kill people"

People cite this data:

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Of course it lowered gun violence lol, but didn't touch the overall Homicide rate. Actually I think I'd rather be murdered with a gun than someones bare hands. More humane.

I don't think data can compare the US to Australia relating to guns anyway, its a completely different culture. Before the Port Arthur Massacre and the buy back we didn't have a big gun culture here, nothing like it is in the US.

BTW that graph is labeled as suicide not homicide.

 

[ChrisV]

graph is labeled as suicide not homicide.

whoops.. fixed

 

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[Real Deal Denver]

As a result, Detroit has the second highest murder rate in the nation and is considered by many to be the most dangerous city in which to live in the United States. Simply put, gun control, as a means of controlling crime and protecting law abiding citizens, is a dismal failure.

The reason is quite simple. Criminals don’t obey laws, register their guns, or bother getting permits. In fact, criminals are generally in favor of more stringent gun controls because it makes their criminal activities safer.

Gun Control Facts: Detroit Crime Rate is the Result Of Gun Control

Ronald Reagan is often quoted as saying, “Government is not a solution to our problem, government is our problem.” The same can be said when it comes to gun control and crime in Detroit, Michigan. A quick review of Michigan gun laws shows that law…

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In the wake of the horrific shooting in Las Vegas this week, the White House faced questions about whether President Trump would support stricter gun legislation.

Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders didn't give a definite response to these questions, but her statement showed a White House hesitant to create new regulations.

"I think one of the things we don't want to do is try to create laws that won't stop these types of things from happening," Sanders said Monday. "I think if you look to Chicago where you had over 4,000 victims of gun-related crimes last year they have the strictest gun laws in the country. That certainly hasn't helped there."

FACT CHECK: Is Chicago Proof That Gun Laws Don't Work?

The White House claims that Chicago has a high crime rate despite its stricter gun laws. This claim doesn't work on two levels.

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DC’s murder rate on track to be one of the deadliest in a decade
The numbers of killings increased again following three murders within a 24-hour period in the District this past weekend.

This all follows a call from Mayor Muriel Bowser earlier this year urging the community to also step up and do more to get the crooks off city streets because many murders in 2018 still haven’t been solved.

Police attribute this year’s uptick to petty neighborhood beefs and crooks getting access to illegal firearms.

DC’s murder rate on track to be one of the deadliest in a decade

The numbers of killings increased again following three murders within a 24-hour period in the District this past weekend.

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FACT: The government can't even keep drugs and guns out of schools.

You want to look to them to handle issues and protect you? Good luck with that plan.







PoliceOne sometimes surveys its 450,000 members – 380,000 active-duty and 70,000 retired law enforcement officers. A March 2013 survey by the group found 86 percent of members believing that casualties from mass public school shootings (such as the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School attack in Connecticut) could be reduced or “avoided altogether” if citizens had carried permitted concealed handguns in those places.

A good guy with a gun has saved many lives in Florida – something the media rarely report

A heroic citizen with a permit to legally carry a concealed handgun was able to save countless lives in Florida last week.

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[ChrisV]

I've come to the conclusion that I cannot trust any news outlet regardless of partisan spin or agenda.

I use these sources:

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Spin is very rare.

Side note: wow

For the second time in two years, they survived a mass shooting | CNN

After surviving the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history, three friends were not expecting history to repeat itself two years later.

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[amp0193]

EDIT: I know it’s hackneyed to bring up deaths in traffic when debating gun violence, but it’s something that should be considered.

40,000 gun deaths last year in u.s.

40,000 deaths a year in the u.s. from cars.


One gets lots of media attention. The other no one is talking about.

 

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[Primeperiwinkle]

I’m thankful that this forum offers ppl a place to express their confusion, fears, and opinions. I’m extremely frustrated that Americans cannot discuss religion or politics coherently in any public place.

I’m weary of no one having clear actionable advice before or after events like this occur. But who can give advice about senseless tragedy?

The question in the forefront of my mind is... am I an idiot for not owning a gun, practicing at a range, or acquiring any proficiency whatsoever, at this point in time?

Obviously I have to answer that question myself. Just like I have to decide whom to vote for, myself.

I was at my Walmart, in Texas, on Saturday night. With my kids.

Sigh.

 

[luniac]

It's gotta be the drugs they're on, weren't the majority of shooters so far on some kind of powerful drugs?

 

[Pink Sheep]

I know some surveys say that guns save more people than they kill in the U.S, because of civillians carrying.

Personally i much prefer a society where there are no guns at all. Here in Norway absoluty no guns are carried in the street, and the only people using them are registered for hunting or professional gun sport. It makes shootings such a non-issue here
Its not perfect though .
There are on rare occations people with guns here, but i think the biggest point to drive home is:

Dont let mentally ill people have easy access to guns.

Organized criminals will find a way,but mentally ill people will not in 99/100 cases.

My 2 cents

 

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[100k]

Uhh?????

What you don't understand ?

When muslim arabs commit terrorism - its called terrorism, it isn't called mental illness.
When whites commit terrorism, some of you want to excuse it as a mental illness issue.

When blacks use drugs, they are degenerates "meth heads" and "meth babies" ... and the solution is to lock them up.

When whites use drugs, they are hard working Americans that are dealing with economic pressure and the solution is health care treatment - because its a health issue don't ya know.

I'm seeing a similar pattern with these mass shooting committed by a certain segment of the population - but instead of profiling everyone of them (including those that give tacit support to it) - because they do talk to each other online and in real life; we label them "lone wolves" and pretend people are mentally ill.

Even when they out right say "I'm doing it because I hate the N words and the god damn Mexicans". Like Dylan Roof (who wasn't charged with a hate crime) and the guy that shot up the Walmart, both of whom had a manifesto that stated why they did what they did.

FBI Investigating Possible Manifesto in El Paso Walmart Shooting

Federal and state investigators are looking into a document that was uploaded to the Internet by suspected El Paso shooter Patrick Crusius; a white supremacist, anti-immigration screed.

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Editors’ Note (Published 2016)

Times editors have removed this document.

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Hope that helps clear up what I was trying to say.

I was trying to be polite, but - since you wanted to see if I'd blink - nah, I'm doubling down. I'm calling out the hypocrisy, white supremacy ideology, the cognitive dissonance and those that enable the violence by giving it tacit support or excusing it because of their "I don't wanna lose my gun" agenda.

Also, I don't think taking away guns would stop this BS. These "mentally ill" white supremacists would just rent a van and plough through people, or buy fertilizer and fuel and create a major b0.m.b. like Timothy Mcveigh.

They even tell you what their holly scriptures are - The Turner Diaries, Might Is Right, The Great Replacement.

But nahhhhhh - even with all that evidence showing their have an ideology and an affinity .... we must label them "mentally ill" by default, right?!

You guys are playing a very dangerous game. It will end up horribly for America.

Good luck to ya, lucky for me I'm not in that 3rd world of 1st world poop hole.

We clear now? Huuuh?

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The solution to this mess: Treat whites the way you'd treat "minorities".

If it were arabs or blacks, you'd pass laws to racially profile everyone that looked like them, everywhere they went in public places - stop and frisk, infiltrate their circles, lock everyone up that's friends with them or associated with them through RICO charges. Have the media portray them negatively, encourage people to report any suspected white supremacists extremists anonymously and get cash rewards when they catch one because of your help. Do the same and I bet your mass shooting problem carried out by white supremacists / white supremacists sympathizers would go away, or at the very least wouldn't be carried out as often as its currently occuring.

 

[Walter Hay]

I know some surveys say that guns save more people than they kill in the U.S, because of civillians carrying.

Personally i much prefer a society where there are no guns at all. Here in Norway absoluty no guns are carried in the street, and the only people using them are registered for hunting or professional gun sport. It makes shootings such a non-issue here
Its not perfect though .
There are on rare occations people with guns here, but i think the biggest point to drive home is:

Dont let mentally ill people have easy access to guns.

Organized criminals will find a way, but mentally ill people will not in 99/100 cases.

My 2 cents

I heartily agree that mentally ill people in certain categories should be prevented from owning guns. The big problem in that however, is that many mentally ill people are highly accomplished actors, and as a result can be difficult to diagnose.

As a general rule, sufferers from Bipolar Disorder represent no threat to society, and most psychiatrists will tell you that they are mostly a threat to themselves. The horrible treatment they so often receive from ignorant members of the public contributes substantially to their high suicide rate.

In general, people with mental illnesses are not dangerous, as found by scientists at the University of Basel in Switzerland. Here is a link to their report: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-04/uob-scp040317.php. This report shows that the idea that all mentally ill people are dangerous is a result of perceptions not facts.

There is no doubt that there are some types of mental illness that do present a danger to the public, and they are the ones that should be prevented from owning firearms. I won't enter into that subject, which is outside my area of expertise.

Walter

 

[Real Deal Denver]

I'm calling out the hypocrisy, white supremacy ideology, the cognitive dissonance and those that enable the violence by giving it tacit support or excusing it because of their "I don't wanna lose my gun" agenda.

I don't support hypocrisy, even if it's done by whites.
I don't support white supremacy ideology, even if it's done by whites.
I'll give up my guns when they pry them from my cold dead hands.
I don't support blacks getting away with something by using the race card.
I sure don't support Muslims, even though I have a few friends that are Muslims. The difference is they treat their wife with love and respect, and don't want to kill everyone that doesn't believe in their religion. When Muslims take a stand and denounce their violent religion, then they can begin to earn, yes earn, some respect. Some of them do this.

And, just to be fair, I generally despise anyone "else" that tries to hide behind a false religion or their race.

There. That about covers everyone I think.

Okay - now that we got that out of the way... can we continue?

You pull a gun on women and children, or in a school, or in a Church - and you better be prepared to die. You meet up with me or my buds and we will take you out. No ifs ands or buts. We don't judge you. Only God can judge you. We just help arrange the meeting.

Now, listen to this. If and when a terrorist of any color or religion is going to take your a$$ out - yes, you - I'll have your back. I will do that because of who I am. I'm not going to weigh the situation by taking into account your color or religion. Man up and join us - or spew your hatred and rhetoric some more. We don't care. And furthermore, it's not going to change who I am and how I am going to conduct myself - and for that, you should be thankful. Your life might just be the one that is saved one day by someone like me.

 

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[Brian Suh]

It could be mental illness but even so there are plenty of people with mental illness who don’t do these atrocities. I think it stems from a lack of control in life and life not turning out how they want it to. Do you think happy successful people do stuff like this? Absolutely not. Maybe people don’t see a brighter future? Besides this is just a exaggerated version of pain and horror that goes on in everyday life. Shooting a school is on the same spectrum as smashing plates at the dinner table yelling at the whole family and causing a ruckus. Different scale of course but same spectrum, and both are utterly insane. I see negativity in myself when I still carry childhood scars and lash out at others for my pain.
Funny how when you feel pain you want others to feel pain as well. That’s because as humans we want to feel UNDERSTOOD. PLEASE talk to that “weird” guy no one talks to. Just give it a try. It won’t fix his problems but at least he knows someone cares. Too many people in this world are too apathetic. They let terrible situations happen because they think it’s the norm.
It is t until someone with balls such as road parks who said ENOUGH did people realize the way we have been living is insane.
After exercising and feeling more alive in my life, I find my old habits of watching rev and eating junk food repulsive. How could I live like that? I’m numbing myself and using my body like a pleasure object. Am I pleasure object or a human being with rational thought and faculties made for more?

 

[MythOfSisyphus]

Is there a common theme in these shootings in regards to how the perpetrators manage to get their hands on the guns?

Pardon the ignorance of my question but 1) I don't live in the US and 2) I'm wilfully ignorant of any form of what passes for "news" today.

 

[Antti]

Jeez Australians are hardcore lol. I was expecting at least knives or suffocation. But F that, Aussies just do it with their bare hands.

But yes, any time I see data on this it seems to corroborate the old "guns don't kill people, people kill people"

People cite this data, which is death by guns

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Again, for comparison sake:

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Of course it lowered gun violence lol, but didn't touch the overall Homicide rate. In fact the Homicide rate rose a little bit after, although that may have been unrelated. But honestly I think I'd rather be murdered with a gun than someones bare hands. More humane.

The homicide rate in Australia hovers around one person per 100,000 a year. In the US the rate is roughly five times higher. I think the homicide rate in Australia was so low even before the gun ban that it realistically couldn't have a big impact.

 

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[lowtek]

I know some surveys say that guns save more people than they kill in the U.S, because of civillians carrying.

Personally i much prefer a society where there are no guns at all. Here in Norway absoluty no guns are carried in the street, and the only people using them are registered for hunting or professional gun sport. It makes shootings such a non-issue here
Its not perfect though .
There are on rare occations people with guns here, but i think the biggest point to drive home is:

Dont let mentally ill people have easy access to guns.

Organized criminals will find a way,but mentally ill people will not in 99/100 cases.

My 2 cents

Anders Brevik

 

[lowtek]

Is there a common theme in these shootings in regards to how the perpetrators manage to get their hands on the guns?

Pardon the ignorance of my questions but 1) I don't live in the US and 2) I'm wilfully ignorant of any form of what passes for "news" today.

They're usually stolen or purchased legally. Most shooters have no prior history of violence, so background checks won't stop them.

 

[Pink Sheep]

Anders Brevik

Category:Mass shootings in Norway - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Not sure if you are trolling or think this case undermines all other years with 0 shootings

 

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[njord]

There is no reason at all for anyone to carry a loaded gun around, the only legal reason is if its for goverment enforcement. If you like guns fine but keep the ammo at the shooting range where you can safely execute your sport.

This way you keep kids and mentely ill away from guns = no/far less shootings.

And for the argument that mentaly ill can use other weapons so taking guns away is pointless, yes that may be but trying to mass kill everyone with a knife is a damlot harder than with a gun.


But I understand its a culture thing in the US I hoop you guys come to your senses some day

 

[MattR82]

I can only offer the view of how it looks to me as someone who has never been to the states but only looked in from the outside.

I can't believe how much my view on this has changed in the last 5 years. First, for me it sounds too far gone for banning of guns to have any affect. That horse has bolted long ago, right?

We had strong gun restrictions come in after a mass murder in Australia 20 odd years ago. I still hear about gun crime every day. The mass murderer? Mentally ill. It's also worth noting that when gun crime went down in the UK after tighter restrictions, that knife crime and deaths shot WAY up.

Try to take a weapon away from me wanting to protect my family in a country with more guns than people and I'm not surprised people are defensive about it.

 

[njord]

Try to take a weapon away from me wanting to protect my family in a country with more guns than people and I'm not surprised people are defensive about it.

protect your family from what?

If they are threatend by something thats what we got law enforcement/cops ect. for.

 

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[MattR82]

protect your family from what?

If they are threatend by something thats what we got law enforcement/cops ect. for.

Cops don't camp out front of your house or in the spare bedroom though, do they.

 

[Madman1996]

What you don't understand ?

When muslim arabs commit terrorism - its called terrorism, it isn't called mental illness.
When whites commit terrorism, some of you want to excuse it as a mental illness issue.

When blacks use drugs, they are degenerates "meth heads" and "meth babies" ... and the solution is to lock them up.

When whites use drugs, they are hard working Americans that are dealing with economic pressure and the solution is health care treatment - because its a health issue don't ya know.

I'm seeing a similar pattern with these mass shooting committed by a certain segment of the population - but instead of profiling everyone of them (including those that give tacit support to it) - because they do talk to each other online and in real life; we label them "lone wolves" and pretend people are mentally ill.

Even when they out right say "I'm doing it because I hate the N words and the god damn Mexicans". Like Dylan Roof (who wasn't charged with a hate crime) and the guy that shot up the Walmart, both of whom had a manifesto that stated why they did what they did.

FBI Investigating Possible Manifesto in El Paso Walmart Shooting

Federal and state investigators are looking into a document that was uploaded to the Internet by suspected El Paso shooter Patrick Crusius; a white supremacist, anti-immigration screed.

heavy.com

Editors’ Note (Published 2016)

Times editors have removed this document.

www.nytimes.com

Hope that helps clear up what I was trying to say.

I was trying to be polite, but - since you wanted to see if I'd blink - nah, I'm doubling down. I'm calling out the hypocrisy, white supremacy ideology, the cognitive dissonance and those that enable the violence by giving it tacit support or excusing it because of their "I don't wanna lose my gun" agenda.

Also, I don't think taking away guns would stop this BS. These "mentally ill" white supremacists would just rent a van and plough through people, or buy fertilizer and fuel and create a major b0.m.b. like Timothy Mcveigh.

They even tell you what their holly scriptures are - The Turner Diaries, Might Is Right, The Great Replacement.

But nahhhhhh - even with all that evidence showing their have an ideology and an affinity .... we must label them "mentally ill" by default, right?!

You guys are playing a very dangerous game. It will end up horribly for America.

Good luck to ya, lucky for me I'm not in that 3rd world of 1st world poop hole.

We clear now? Huuuh?

==================

The solution to this mess: Treat whites the way you'd treat "minorities".

If it were arabs or blacks, you'd pass laws to racially profile everyone that looked like them, everywhere they went in public places - stop and frisk, infiltrate their circles, lock everyone up that's friends with them or associated with them through RICO charges. Have the media portray them negatively, encourage people to report any suspected white supremacists extremists anonymously and get cash rewards when they catch one because of your help. Do the same and I bet your mass shooting problem carried out by white supremacists / white supremacists sympathizers would go away, or at the very least wouldn't be carried out as often as its currently occuring.

You my friend have spoken absolutely agree with your post

 

[njord]

Cops don't camp out front of your house or in the spare bedroom though, do they.

Again what are you afraid of?

I must be lucky iv never been threated by a gun in life and iv never had the need to protect my self.

 

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[MattR82]

Again what are you afraid of?

I must be lucky iv never been threated by a gun in life and iv never had the need to protect my self.

Maybe that's part of why you don't understand.

Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't. Reminds me a little of a conversation I had a few days ago with people not wanting to wear helmets while riding motorcycles around in Bali. They have never seen a road fatality while I have. For them it's just not a real possibility because they haven't experienced it. Till they do.

 

[njord]

Maybe that's part of why you don't understand.

Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't. Reminds me a little of a conversation I had a few days ago with people not wanting to wear helmets while riding motorcycles around in Bali. They have never seen a road fatality while I have. For them it's just not a real possibility because they haven't experienced it. Till they do.

This is also kinda my point, the gun industry is a self fulfilling industry; 1 person buys a gun and shoots someone with it now everyone in the neighbourhood wants one just to "protect" them selfs en so on till everyone has a gun.

If you turn it around noone has a gun, noone is threated and no one needs guns anymore.

Solution ban/restrict guns just like the rest of the western world

 

[Deleted50669]

My hypothesis is that a big cause of these events are people who perceive themselves as being undervalued by society. If you look at the motives, whether it be racism, anti-religious, disgruntled employee, etc., the common theme is a personal belief that the world had forgotten about them and/or devalued them against some other group with whom they don't identify. To some extent, they are right, because everyone is forgotten about in a world where Instagram posts take precedence over human interaction.

So what do those people do? They punish the public for not putting them on a pedestal, often fully aware it will lead to their own demise. This creates a very, very tough problem to solve; the public will (understandably) react with anger and resentment towards people who feel marginalized and combative. CNN will point out the social media history and psychological profile of the suspect and bemoan their deviance. By doing this, CNN pours kerosene on a forest fire, as they usually do (but hey, it brings in advertising dollars, right?). What they don't realize is they are exacerbating the problem by making the people who feel marginalized... feel even more marginalized.

Imagine how the psychological outcome would change if there was a message of support. I know, it's ridiculous of me to suggest that the media sympathize with psychos after a tragic event. But would this improve outcomes? Maybe. Instead of perceiving a widening gap between themselves and the public, maybe would-be suspects would slowly open up to the idea that the world is not their enemy; maybe they'd realize they are their own enemy.

 

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[Fox]

This is also kinda my point, the gun industry is a self fulfilling industry; 1 person buys a gun and shoots someone with it now everyone in the neighbourhood wants one just to "protect" them selfs en so on till everyone has a gun.

If you turn it around noone has a gun, noone is threated and no one needs guns anymore.

Solution ban/restrict guns just like the rest of the western world

Worked great for Venzuala... Venezuela bans private gun owners

 

[Sander]

Boy I feel grateful to live in a country where I can feel safe without owning a gun.