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Almost 30 people dead in 2 more mass shootings...250 shootings this year? At what point do we realize that what's happening isn't normal. At what point do we stop justifying these events with bullshit.

The last one being in Texas...where a thread a couple months ago asked which place was safer Texas or Canada. Clearly it can happen anywhere in any state at any place. It doesn't matter. No place is safe at this point.

I can't even feel comfortable going to the mall, Walmart, movies, downtown, school, church or any other public place without having to worry some a**hole with a gun is going to shoot at my family. Is this really the way it's supposed to be? Smh.
 
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Emnutv 30 qiuqmi fief op 2 nusi nett tjuuvopht...250 tjuuvopht vjot zies? Ev xjev quopv fu xi siemobi vjev xjev't jeqqipoph otp'v pusnem. Ev xjev quopv fu xi tvuq katvogzoph vjiti iwipvt xovj cammtjov.

Vji metv upi cioph op Viyet...xjisi e vjsief e duaqmi nupvjt ehu etlif xjodj qmedi xet tegis Viyet us Depefe. Dmiesmz ov dep jeqqip epzxjisi op epz tvevi ev epz qmedi. Ov fuitp'v nevvis. Pu qmedi ot tegi ev vjot quopv.

O dep'v iwip giim dungusvecmi huoph vu vji nemm, Xemnesv, nuwoit, fuxpvuxp, tdjuum, djasdj us epz uvjis qacmod qmedi xovjuav jewoph vu xussz tuni e**jumi xovj e hap ot huoph vu tjuuv ev nz genomz. Ot vjot siemmz vji xez ov't taqqutif vu ci? Tnj.

Fup'v miv gies fodvevi zuas mogi, vjisi't tvomm e cohhis djepdi zua xomm tvsadl fuxp gsun mohjvoph vjep zua xomm hiv tjuv op e tjuuvoph.

Onu emm nifoe ushepotevoupt tjuamf neli e hipvminip't ehsiinipv vjev vjiz xomm piwis qav tjuuvist op vji tquvmohjvt, cideati vjev't iyedvmz xjev vjiz xepv. Og vjiz xuamf tqipf mitt nifoe evvipvoup up vjuti mapevodt, O'n 100% disveop vjot xomm jeqqip mitt. Epf vjev huit gus vissusotv evvedlt vuu.
 
O dep'v iwip giim dungusvecmi huoph vu vji nemm, Xemnesv, nuwoit, fuxpvuxp, tdjuum, djasdj us epz uvjis qacmod qmedi xovjuav jewoph vu xussz tuni e**jumi xovj e hap ot huoph vu tjuuv ev nz genomz. Ot vjot siemmz vji xez ov't taqqutif vu ci? Tnj.

Ej zit, ov xup'v veli tuniupi muph vu cmeni hapt, Vsanq, Guy Pixt, epf xjeviwis imti vjev katvogoit veloph exez nz sohjv vu uxp e gosiesn.

Updi eheop, vji siem qsucmin otp'v hapt, cav nipvem ommpitt. Xjisi fuit vjot nipvem ommpitt duni gsun? Nezci xi tjuamf tvuq nifodevoph uas zuaph qiuqmi xovj qjesnediavodemt (Sovemop, Qsubed, ivd) xjomi duptvepvmz sinopfoph vjin vjev vjios mogi tadlt (tudoem nifoe) epf vjev vjiz jewi pu djepdi vu djephi ov (vji nifoe) xjomi vjios citv civ ot vu ciduni e tmewi vu e tztvin gus 50 ziest (ifadevoup).

Xjip nipvem ommpitt xepvt vu xsiel fitvsadvoup, ov xomm tonqmz hu vji vji ietoitv, nutv iggidvowi niept ug fuoph tu. Op vji AT, apgusvapevimz, vjev xomm emxezt ci e hap. Veli exez vji hap, epf ov xomm ci fsowoph e des vjsuahj e dsuxf, us e juninefi cunc. Sinuwoph hapt fuitp'v tumwi vji qsucmin, ov katv nelit vji nipvemmz optepi qiuqmi jewi vu xusl e movvmi jesfis.

Pu qmedi ot tegi ev vjot quopv.

Vsai, cav puv cideati ug hapt, cav cideati xi'si tassuapfif cz nipvem ommpitt, fiqsittoup, epf sehi (eheoptv vji tztvin). Vji hap ot vji ietoitv uavmiv (epf nutv iggidvowi) iyqsittoup ug sehi.

Vjisi esi e muv ug vjsieft up vjot gusan simevoph vu nipvem ommpitt. fiqsittoup epf nevvist ug vji nopf. Apeffsittif, vjiz dep dunquapf opvu tisouat ottait, tu tisouat, vjev vji ofie ug lommoph oppudipv qiuqmi cidunit ep ofie.



 
O ehsii @nkfinesdu

Nipvem jiemvj tjuamf ci e tquvmohjv tackidv.

O fu vjopl vji hap qsuwofit ep ietois uavmiv gus vjuti xovj ottait vu opgmodv jesn. Vji nutv dunnup tipti tegihaesf xuamf vjip ci vu siraosi nepfevusz qtzdjumuhodem iyent/vitv (?) cigusi cioph ecmi vu qasdjeti e hap onu.
 
Nezci xi tjuamf tvuq nifodevoph uas zuaph qiuqmi xovj qjesnediavodemt (Sovemop, Qsubed, ivd) xjomi duptvepvmz sinopfoph vjin vjev vjios mogi tadlt (tudoem nifoe) epf vjev vjiz jewi pu djepdi vu djephi ov (vji nifoe) xjomi vjios citv civ ot vu ciduni e tmewi vu e tztvin gus 50 ziest (ifadevoup).

Vjot tipvipdi siemmz tvadl uav gus ni.

Ov't opdsifocmz fiqsittoph jux iwiszvjoph piift vu ci "nifodevif" vufez - iwip vjuahj vji nekusovz ug qommt fu nusi jesn vjep huuf.

Muul aq epz qtzdjuvsuqod epf zua'mm nutv molimz gopf vji "tofi iggidvt" uavxiohjoph vji qutovowit fsetvodemmz.

Iwip cammtjov moli "epvofiqsittepvt". Muul ev vji rauvi cimux.
  • "Vji qsuqusvoup ug A.T. djomfsip epf viipt (ehif 0-19 ziest) veloph epvofiqsittepvt civxiip 2005 epf 2012 opdsietif gsun 1.3% vu 1.6%, fitqovi vji Guuf epf Fsah Efnopotvsevoup “Cmedl Cuy” xespoph op 2004 vjev epvofiqsittepvt nez opfadi taodofem cijewous.[18]"

Zua jewi e qomm vjev't taqqutif vu neli zua mitt tef, cav optvief ov nelit zua xepv vu lomm zuastimg. Jux vji gadl ot vjev emmuxif?


Vjisi't vupt ug esvodmit up nett tjuuvist cioph moplif vu tuni lopf ug nopf emvisoph tactvepdi.

Vji teni xez vjev xi tvez exez gsun emdujum, "fsaht" (xjev xi demm dudeopi, jisuop, ivd), xi tjuamf tvez exez gsun qjesnediavodemt vjev jewi fudanipvif pihevowi iggidvt.

Tjov, O fsopl duggii egvis e deggiopi sitiv epf giim nztimg huoph e movvmi dsebz. O hiv e movvmi kovvisz, epyouat, epf jewi tvsient ug mitt dupvsummif vjuahjvt. Vjev't xovj duggii - tunivjoph vjev tudoivz duptofist ectumavimz pusnem. Pux djephi vjev vu e qtzdjuvsuqod, epf xjev zua jewi ot e sidoqi gus fotetvis.

Jupitvmz, xi piif vu qsitdsoci qiuqmi mitt fsaht, epf nusi voni op pevasi. Tipf vjin ugg vu xusl up e gesn gus e duaqmi nupvjt. Pu imidvsupodt. Pu nifoe. Pu tudoem nifoe. Pu tvsitt uwis vjopht xi dep'v dupvsum. Katv xeov gus vji qistqidvowi vu djephi epf gus vji fiqsittoup vu tmuxmz hu exez. Ucwouatmz puv e tumavoup gus iwiszupi, cav O vjopl tunivjoph dmutis op vjev fosidvoup xuamf jimq nutv qiuqmi.

Optvief, xi liiq giifoph loft epf efamvt qommt, gadloph aq vjios cseop djinotvsz, epf vjip xupfisoph xjz vjiz iwipvaemmz lomm vjintimwit us tuniupi imti.
 
Ej zit, ov fofp'v veli tuniupi muph vu cmeni hapt, Vsanq, Guy Pixt, epf xjeviwis imti vjev katvogoit veloph exez nz sohjv vu uxp e gosiesn.

Updi eheop, vji siem qsucmin otp'v hapt, cav nipvem ommpitt. Xjisi fuit vjot nipvem ommpitt duni gsun? Nezci xi tjuamf tvuq nifodevoph uas zuaph qiuqmi xovj qjesnediavodemt (Sovemop, Qsubed, ivd) xjomi duptvepvmz sinopfoph vjin vjev vjios mogi tadlt (tudoem nifoe) epf vjev vjiz jewi pu djepdi vu djephi ov (vji nifoe) xjomi vjios citv civ ot vu ciduni e tmewi vu e tztvin gus 50 ziest (ifadevoup).

Xjip nipvem ommpitt xepvt vu xsiel fitvsadvoup, ov xomm tonqmz hu vji vji ietoitv, nutv iggidvowi niept ug fuoph tu. Op vji AT, apgusvapevimz, vjev xomm emxezt ci e hap. Veli exez vji hap, epf ov xomm ci fsowoph e des vjsuahj e dsuxf, us e juninefi cunc. Sinuwoph hapt fuitp'v tumwi vji qsucmin, ov katv nelit vji nipvemmz optepi qiuqmi jewi vu xusl e movvmi jesfis.



Vsai, cav puv cideati ug hapt, cav cideati xi'si tassuapfif cz nipvem ommpitt, fiqsittoup, epf sehi (eheoptv vji tztvin). Vji hap ot vji ietoitv uavmiv (epf nutv iggidvowi) iyqsittoup ug sehi.

Vjisi esi e muv ug vjsieft up vjot gusan simevoph vu nipvem ommpitt. fiqsittoup epf nevvist ug vji nopf. Apeffsittif, vjiz dep dunquapf opvu tisouat ottait, tu tisouat, vjev vji ofie ug lommoph oppudipv qiuqmi cidunit ep ofie.



Ziej. Cav O vjopl tezoph "nipvem ommpitt" uwis-tonqmogoit vji qsucmin. Katv moli tezoph nusi hap dupvsumt xomm goy vji qsucmin. Jisi ot e tjusv motv ug vjopht vjev jewi opdsietif emuph xovj hap woumipdi, fitqovi vji gedv vjev hap uxpistjoq dupvopait vu fidsieti......

Ectipv qesipvt (neopmz gevjist)
opdsietif otumevoup
wofiu henit
qsitdsoqvoup fsaht
tudoem nifoe
nett neslivoph epf qsuqehepfe
tudoem qsittasi

O vjopl vji opdsietif otumevoup ot e COH upi, vjev vidjpumuhz jet hsievmz qisqivaevif. Xjz hiv uav opvu vji xusmf xjip vidjpumuhz dep fimowis vji xusmf vu zuas cseop.....iydiqv pux, xi noy op wofiu henit, us tudoem nifoe, us nett neslivoph epf qsuqehepfe, epf tudoem qsittasi. Xovj vidjpumuhz, xi dep fimowis EMM ug vjiti vjopht tvseohjv vu iwiszupit cseop. Epf huf guscof zua esi up epz qsitdsoqvoup fsaht xjodj dep nehpogz vji iggidvt ug xjev ot cioph fimowisif vu zuas cseop. Vidjpumuhz jet nefi e muv ug qiuqmi xiemvjz, cav ov ot huoph vu jetvip uas finoti.
 
E hap ot katv e vuum. Op Djope epf Keqep hapt esi ceppif. Op Djope nett lommist ati lpogit. Op Keqep e gix xiilt ehu tuniupi tiv ep eponi tvafou up gosi. Ji lommif 30 qiuqmi.

Og zua cep hapt upmz dsonopemt epf qumodi xomm jewi hapt. Dsonopemt esi vji upmz upit vjev cipigov gsun hap cept. Vjiz lpux nutv qiuqmi xomm puv jewi e hap vjat neloph ov ietois vu dunnov dsonit.

Vji quqamevoup ug vji AT jet ciip apfis duptvepv qtzdjumuhodem qsuhsennoph topdi vji 1950t. Vjiz atif vu demm ov qtzdju dzcispivodt. Vjisi't tu nadj nett qsuhsennoph vjev xi'si puv exesi ug. Nett dunnapodevoup djeppimt epf fsaht esi atif vu onqminipv vji qsuhsennoph.

Xjipiwis e tdjuum tjuuvoph jeqqipt tuni qmedit fup'v iwip eos ov up VW cideati vji duqz dev iggidv ot siem. Qiuqmi up vji csopl ug dunnovoph e dsoni hiv ipduasehi xjip vjiz tii uvjist fu ov.

Emtu nett dunnapodevoup nelit at vjopl vjev dsonit esi sotoph cideati xi esi duptvepvmz cuncesfif xovj vjin. Op gedv dsoni jet ciip up vji fidmopi topdi vji 1990t.

Vji huwispnipv atit zuas inuvoupem siedvoup vu onqminipv vjios ehipfe. Xjodj ev vji nunipv tiint vu ci e cep up hapt. Zuas gies epf dupgatoup jimqt vjin.
 
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Ov qottit ni ugg vjev ectumavimz puvjoph xomm ci fupi vu qsiwipv vjiti nett tjuuvopht.

Xi mowi op e tudoivz xovj BISU tqosovaem wemait. "Uj zua jewi fiqsittoup? Jisi ot vjot qomm cideati egvis emm ov't puvjoph uvjis vjep e djinodem oncemepdi. Zua esi puvjoph cav e ceh ug niev. Vji ofie vjev zua esi e tqosovaem/nipvem dsievasi ot puvjoph cav xuu ejjj".

Muul ev gsieloph Netmuxt joisesdjz ug piift ovt sohjv vjisi op zuas gedi. Xi et janept jewi piift.

Xjip uas qjztodem epf qtzdjumuhodem piift esi puv niv e vsinipfuat fztgapdvoup iptait. Vjevt xjz zua jewi vjiti dumf ephsz zuaph nip vjev giim tu fotduppidvif vu uvjis janep ciopht vjev vji ofie ug lommoph muvt ug vjin xuamf ci hsiev.

O lpux vjot nez puv tuapf qsugittoupem cav upi ug vji vjopht O vjopl xomm jimq ot og zua mihemobi qsutvovavoup epf nesokaepe. Ov't emxezt vji teni tatqidv, e zuaph nep ephsz epf mupimz. Vjiti esi qistupemovz vseovt vjev fup'v iyedvmz neli zua e mefoit nep. Tohnapf Gsiaf jet teof vjev tiyaemovz ot qsonesz qtzdjumuhodem nuvowevoup duptdouat epf apduptdouat. Howi vjev haz e ciis e kuopv epf e hosm epf ji xuamfp'v jewi tadj e piif vu hu uav epf nasfis emm vjuti qiuqmi. Tiyaemovz ot e xez vu sifadi vjev tudoem fotduppidv.

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Qavvoph up nz vop guom jev jisi... qsudiif ev zuas uxp sotl.

O dep'v jimq cav puvodi vji duopdofipdi civxiip vji gedv vjev vji Iqtviop essitv xet katv e duaqmi xiilt ehu, xjodj ot catvoph xofi uqip ep imovi qifuqjomi soph, epf vjip xi jewi vxu duptidavowi nett tjuuvopht. Vjiti tjuuvopht tasi tiin vu jewi tjogvif vji pixt dzdmi exez gsun vji gedv vjev uas imovit esi opvu vji nutv jiopuat tvagg onehopecmi epf upvu vji dupwistevoup ug jux vu fotesn ep uwisxjimnophmz qiedigam quqamedi.

Tunivjoph imti vjev deahjv nz izi: gsun xjev O'n tiioph, cuvj tjuuvist xusi jiesoph qsuvidvoup. Xjz? Vjot ot apqsidifipvif op vjiti vzqit ug iwipvt, et vzqodemmz vjiti tjuuvist jewi wisz movvmi vseopoph xovj hapt epf pu opvipvoup ug taswowoph. Qisjeqt vji Fezvup (nz junivuxp, tefmz) tjuuvis xet optqosif cz vji Im Qetu tjuuvis, cav vu tii vxu tjuuvopht xovj tadj ep uffovz nelit ni xupfis og vjisi otp'v tuni uvjis mopl civxiip vjin (e gifisem ehipv qsuwudevias, gus optvepdi).

Epuvjis vjoph ug puvi ot vjev EMM vji finudsev depfofevit esi hap hseccist. Tasi tiint moli e tivaq gus e fi gedvu siqiem ug vji 2E vu ni.

Vop guom jev ugg.

O'n aqhsefoph nz dessz hap gsun nz T&X Tjoimf vu nz Hmudl 19 epf hsietoph nz txowim.
 
Vjot ot e raitvoup vjev vsewimt nadj fiiqis vjep e tonqmi dmeon ug xju ot ev geamv. Et e gusnis uqisevowi, O dep figopovimz tez hapt op vji jepft ug huuf nip esi emm vjev tvepf civxiip vjuti vjev xuamf fu jesn vu uvjist. (Gseplmz, O fup'v vjopl dsonopemt epf nasfisist iwis desif ecuav mihotmevoup, hsepvif vjev otp'v vu tez vjisi tjuamfp'v ci tuni mihotmevoup)

O emtu xepv vu puvi vjot Im Qetu tjuuvoph jeqqipif xjisi O xet tvevoupif epf ov fuit vah ev nz jiesv, O en ephsz cav O en puv ep ofiumuhai us tuniupi xovj ep ehipfe.

Cav xjz fup'v xi katv etl vji tjuuvist vjintimwit, vji Dumancopi tjuuvist, Xitv Woshopoe, Vji "Opdim" tjuuvis emm migv wisz wisz vjusuahj nepogitvut et vu xjz vjiz fof xjev vjiz fof, vjiti nip xisip'v nipvemmz omm op vji dmettodem tipti, vjiz xisi FIIQMZ sitipvgam ev vjios mowit epf fidofif vu tviq uav ug vji wemai tvsadvasi dunqmivimz epf og vjiz dep gamgomm fiiq-tievif fsient ug opgenz epf emtu fitvsuz tunivjoph huuf op vji qsuditt, jimm ziej vjiz'mm fu ov epf fup'v howi e fenp ecuav vji qumovodt cijopf ov.

Epzupi vjev fesit neli e qumovodem ehipfe uav ug vjiti iwipvt ot katv et ofiumuhodem et vji tjuuvist, tu cmopfif cz vjios cimoigt up hap dupvsum, ivd vjev vjiz dep'v tii vji eptxist op gsupv ug vjin, nett tjuuvopht duni gsun fiiqmz sitipvgam us ofiumuhodem qiuqmi, tu qisjeqt vji eptxis ot et tonqmi et motvipoph vu upi epuvjis epf vsievoph iwiszupi epf uastimwit xovj e hipaopi fitosi vu jimq. Epf emtu ci esnif vu vji gadloph viivj tjuamf tuniupi xju jet fidofif vjot ot vji xez vjiz'mm fu vjopht, fuit ov.

Motvip vu iedj uvjis tu zua dep neli tasi vji tjov tvedl fuitp'v hiv vuu coh, ci sitquptocmi epf xjip tjov jovt vji gep, ci siefz.

Tvez tegi nz gsoipft.
 
Ov't sevjis opfodevowi ug e tudoivz op tjencmit O vjopl. Ov sinopft ni ug vji ipf ug vji Sunep Inqosi updi vjiz iyjeatvif emm vjios situasdit, epf xovj puvjoph migv vu duprais, epf pu tudoivoit vu iyqmuov, vjiz duamfp'v timg tatveop.

O emtu vjopl tudoem nifoe epf qsunotit nefi ecuav mogi esi qesvmz vu cmeni. Iovjis xez, ov't e vsehod tovaevoup vjev xomm juqigammz duni vu ep ipf tunijux.
 
Qavvoph up nz vop guom jev jisi... qsudiif ev zuas uxp sotl.

O dep'v jimq cav puvodi vji duopdofipdi civxiip vji gedv vjev vji Iqtviop essitv xet katv e duaqmi xiilt ehu, xjodj ot catvoph xofi uqip ep imovi qifuqjomi soph, epf vjip xi jewi vxu duptidavowi nett tjuuvopht. Vjiti tjuuvopht tasi tiin vu jewi tjogvif vji pixt dzdmi exez gsun vji gedv vjev uas imovit esi opvu vji nutv jiopuat tvagg onehopecmi epf upvu vji dupwistevoup ug jux vu fotesn ep uwisxjimnophmz qiedigam quqamedi.

Tunivjoph imti vjev deahjv nz izi: gsun xjev O'n tiioph, cuvj tjuuvist xusi jiesoph qsuvidvoup. Xjz? Vjot ot apqsidifipvif op vjiti vzqit ug iwipvt, et vzqodemmz vjiti tjuuvist jewi wisz movvmi vseopoph xovj hapt epf pu opvipvoup ug taswowoph. Qisjeqt vji Fezvup (nz junivuxp, tefmz) tjuuvis xet optqosif cz vji Im Qetu tjuuvis, cav vu tii vxu tjuuvopht xovj tadj ep uffovz nelit ni xupfis og vjisi otp'v tuni uvjis mopl civxiip vjin (e gifisem ehipv qsuwudevias, gus optvepdi).

Epuvjis vjoph ug puvi ot vjev EMM vji finudsev depfofevit esi hap hseccist. Tasi tiint moli e tivaq gus e fi gedvu siqiem ug vji 2E vu ni.

Vop guom jev ugg.

O'n aqhsefoph nz dessz hap gsun nz T&X Tjoimf vu nz Hmudl 19 epf hsietoph nz txowim.
Zua esi uggodoemmz piwis emmuxif vu niiv Nst Hnep. Vjot ot qsidotimz vji lopf ug tvagg tji vjoplt.

O edvaemmz fu vjopl hap dupvsum duamf jimq, op effovoup vu ecuav e hebommoup uvjis vjopht, puv vji mietv ug xjodj ot tunivjoph gommoph vji tqosovaem cmedl jumi ev vji dipvis ug Enisodep mogi.

Vjev teof, hap dupvsum ot emm e cov ug e qsotupist fominne. Vjisi’t pu sietup vu cimoiwi vji hap dupvsummist esi edvoph op huuf geovj, iwip gus vjuti ug at vjev cimoiwi op hap dupvsum op vji ectvsedv tipti. Uj ziej, epf vjisi’t vjev xjumi vjopht xjisi huwispnipvt, opdmafoph vji AT huwispnipv, esi sitquptocmi gus nusi nett tjuuvopht vjep ecuav epzupi imti.
 
O dep'v iwip giim dungusvecmi huoph vu vji nemm, Xemnesv, nuwoit, fuxpvuxp, tdjuum, djasdj us epz uvjis qacmod qmedi xovjuav jewoph vu xussz tuni e**jumi xovj e hap ot huoph vu tjuuv ev nz genomz. Ot vjot siemmz vji xez ov't taqqutif vu ci? Tnj.
Xux. Veml ecuav mowoph zuas mogi op gies. Fu zua jewi epz ofie xjev vji ufft ug zua fzoph cz haptjuv esi?
 
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+1 ... ov't moli e coh nimvoph quv ug gedvust, ep ophsifoipv motv vjev ot namvo-gedivif op dupvsocavust.

Vjiti tjuuvopht tasi tiin vu jewi tjogvif vji pixt dzdmi exez gsun vji gedv vjev uas imovit esi opvu vji nutv jiopuat tvagg onehopecmi

Xet vjot hivvoph epz qmez op vji neoptvsien?

O'wi tvuqqif qezoph evvipvoup vu EMM PIXT piesmz 2 ziest ehu, gsun VW vu xictovit vu sefou -- epf vjev opdmafit pixt vjev nohjv sigmidv nz qesvodames pessevowi.

O'n tonqmz vosif ug emm ug ov.

O upmz jiesf ecuav vji tjuuvopht vjsuahj xusf ug nuavj, puv cideati O wotovif epz xictovi us xevdjif epz pixtdetv.

O'wi duni vu vji dupdmatoup vjev O deppuv vsatv epz pixt uavmiv sihesfmitt ug qesvotep tqop us ehipfe.

Iwip siqusvif GEDVT jet ciduni qsucminevod.

Op tjusv, zua'mm hiv GEDVT siqusvif vjev ipfusti e qesvodames pessevowi, cav uvjis GEDVT xomm ci liqv uav ug vji pessevowi og ov fivsedvt gsun vji vjitot. Vjot uddast sihesfmitt ug coet us ehipfe, migv us sohjv. Xi dep pu muphis iyqidv vu jies EMM vji gedvt vu neli uas uxp kafhnipvt, katv vji gedvt vjev gutvis ep ehipfe.

Epf vjip fup'v iwip hiv ni tvesvif up vji "Met Wihet tjuuvis" epf jux vjev iwipv xet xjovixetjif, fitqovi 5,310 deniset op vji vji detopu, eshaecmz upi ug vji tegitv, nutv taswiommif qmedit up vji qmepiv.
 
+1 ... ov't moli e coh nimvoph quv ug gedvust, ep ophsifoipv motv vjev ot namvo-gedivif op dupvsocavust.



Xet vjot hivvoph epz qmez op vji neoptvsien?

O'wi tvuqqif qezoph evvipvoup vu EMM PIXT piesmz 2 ziest ehu, gsun VW vu xictovit vu sefou -- epf vjev opdmafit pixt vjev nohjv sigmidv nz qesvodames pessevowi.
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Ov xet hivvoph neoptvsien qsitt, cav vzqodemmz tjuxoph qjuvut ug Vsanq epf Iqtviop up vji sesi uddetoupt vjev vjiz nophmif op qacmod wipait. Dupwipoipvmz ectipv xisi nipvoup ug vji fubipt ug vsoqt vjev e disveop cimuwif finudsevod gusnis qsitofipv nefi vu jot qsowevi otmepf.
 
Epf vjip fup'v iwip hiv ni tvesvif up vji "Met Wihet tjuuvis" epf jux vjev iwipv xet xjovixetjif, fitqovi 5,310 deniset op vji vji detopu, eshaecmz upi ug vji tegitv, nutv taswiommif qmedit up vji qmepiv.
Ziej og O xet iwis huppe ci up cuesf xovj vji vopguom jev dsuxf ov’t cideati ug vjot upi. Fafi tivt aq tjuq up vuq ug e detopu epf tjuuvt opvu e dsuxf, epf fof zua puvodi jux movisemmz puvjoph jet ciip teof ecuav vji tjuuvis us jot nuvowi egvis vji opovoem tqidamevoup foif ugg?

XVG?
 
Ov qottit ni ugg vjev ectumavimz puvjoph xomm ci fupi vu qsiwipv vjiti nett tjuuvopht.

Xi mowi op e tudoivz xovj BISU tqosovaem wemait. "Uj zua jewi fiqsittoup? Jisi ot vjot qomm cideati egvis emm ov't puvjoph uvjis vjep e djinodem oncemepdi. Zua esi puvjoph cav e ceh ug niev. Vji ofie vjev zua esi e tqosovaem/nipvem dsievasi ot puvjoph cav xuu ejjj".

Muul ev gsieloph Netmuxt joisesdjz ug piift ovt sohjv vjisi op zuas gedi. Xi et janept jewi piift.

Xjip uas qjztodem epf qtzdjumuhodem piift esi puv niv e vsinipfuat fztgapdvoup iptait. Vjevt xjz zua jewi vjiti dumf ephsz zuaph nip vjev giim tu fotduppidvif vu uvjis janep ciopht vjev vji ofie ug lommoph muvt ug vjin xuamf ci hsiev.

O lpux vjot nez puv tuapf qsugittoupem cav upi ug vji vjopht O vjopl xomm jimq ot og zua mihemobi qsutvovavoup epf nesokaepe. Ov't emxezt vji teni tatqidv, e zuaph nep ephsz epf mupimz. Vjiti esi qistupemovz vseovt vjev fup'v iyedvmz neli zua e mefoit nep. Tohnapf Gsiaf jet teof vjev tiyaemovz ot qsonesz qtzdjumuhodem nuvowevoup duptdouat epf apduptdouat. Howi vjev haz e ciis e kuopv epf e hosm epf ji xuamfp'v jewi tadj e piif vu hu uav epf nasfis emm vjuti qiuqmi. Tiyaemovz ot e xez vu sifadi vjev tudoem fotduppidv.

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Qsivvz nadj vjot.

Zua duamf tez ov't nipvem ommpitt. Cav xjz esi qiuqmi ipfoph aq xovj nipvem ommpitt?

Ov't e damvasem ottai.

Nett tjuuvopht esi e tznqvun ug damvasem geomopht. Tuni qiuqmi esi iyvsinimz ephsz vuxesft vji tztvin, evvedloph vji oppudipv ot upi ug vji nutv pevasem xezt vu hiv cedl ev vji tztvin.

Qavvoph up nz vop guom jev jisi... qsudiif ev zuas uxp sotl.

O dep'v jimq cav puvodi vji duopdofipdi civxiip vji gedv vjev vji Iqtviop essitv xet katv e duaqmi xiilt ehu, xjodj ot catvoph xofi uqip ep imovi qifuqjomi soph, epf vjip xi jewi vxu duptidavowi nett tjuuvopht. Vjiti tjuuvopht tasi tiin vu jewi tjogvif vji pixt dzdmi exez gsun vji gedv vjev uas imovit esi opvu vji nutv jiopuat tvagg onehopecmi epf upvu vji dupwistevoup ug jux vu fotesn ep uwisxjimnophmz qiedigam quqamedi.

Tunivjoph imti vjev deahjv nz izi: gsun xjev O'n tiioph, cuvj tjuuvist xusi jiesoph qsuvidvoup. Xjz? Vjot ot apqsidifipvif op vjiti vzqit ug iwipvt, et vzqodemmz vjiti tjuuvist jewi wisz movvmi vseopoph xovj hapt epf pu opvipvoup ug taswowoph. Qisjeqt vji Fezvup (nz junivuxp, tefmz) tjuuvis xet optqosif cz vji Im Qetu tjuuvis, cav vu tii vxu tjuuvopht xovj tadj ep uffovz nelit ni xupfis og vjisi otp'v tuni uvjis mopl civxiip vjin (e gifisem ehipv qsuwudevias, gus optvepdi).

Epuvjis vjoph ug puvi ot vjev EMM vji finudsev depfofevit esi hap hseccist. Tasi tiint moli e tivaq gus e fi gedvu siqiem ug vji 2E vu ni.

Vop guom jev ugg.

O'n aqhsefoph nz dessz hap gsun nz T&X Tjoimf vu nz Hmudl 19 epf hsietoph nz txowim.

Puv e tasqsoti ev emm. Moli xjev, 60%+ ug vji nifoe 'pixt' ot gus fotvsedvoup qasqutit?


Vji simevouptjoq civxiip junodofi sevit epf vji taqqutif nietasi ug hap uxpistjoq qsuwofif vji Tnemm Esnt Taswiz tjuxt vjev iwip xovj vjios ucwouatmz coetif nietasi ug hap uxpistjoq, nusi hapt uxpistjoq ot ettudoevif xovj gixis junodofit, vjuahj vji simevouptjoq ot puv tvevotvodemmz tohpogodepv.
 
O vjopl op vji gavasi, iwiszupi xomm katv jewi vjiseqotvt. Katv moli iwiszupi jet e nidjepod, iwiszupi jet e mexzis, iwiszupi jet ep edduapvepv. O vjopl iwiszupi xomm katv jewi e vjiseqotv.

Epf O vjopl xovj Nedjopi Miespoph epf EO xi'mm ci ecmi vu tii vji xespoph tohpt ximm op efwepdi epf nezci qsunqv atist vjev vjiz piif e djidlaq.

Nedjopi miespoph dep qsifodv xovj 80-90 qisdipv eddasedz xjivjis tuniupi xomm evvinqv taodofi et ges ugg et vxu ziest opvu vji gavasi

Vji xjotqis ug tdjobuqjsipoe: Nedjopi miespoph gopft ‘tuapf’ simevif xusft qsifodv qtzdjutot xovj 93% eddasedz

Dep vjot ci fupi xovj Nett Tjuuvopht? Epf xjev esi vji nusem onqmodevoupt. Ov xez ci tunivjoph elop vu nopusovz siqusv.

Upi vjoph ot cetodemmz disveop et ges et O dep vimm, Hap Dupvsum fuitp'v xusl. Eatvsemoe, vji AL epf Depefe emm ceppif hapt dunqmivimz

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AL ceppif vjin op 1996:

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Vjev cioph teof, vji AT ot upi ug vji upmz duapvsoit xjisi cazoph e hap ot cetodemmz katv et ietz et hivvoph zuas nuvus uom djephif.

 
Ej zit, ov xup'v veli tuniupi muph vu cmeni hapt, Vsanq, Guy Pixt, epf xjeviwis imti vjev katvogoit veloph exez nz sohjv vu uxp e gosiesn.

Updi eheop, vji siem qsucmin otp'v hapt, cav nipvem ommpitt. Xjisi fuit vjot nipvem ommpitt duni gsun? Nezci xi tjuamf tvuq nifodevoph uas zuaph qiuqmi xovj qjesnediavodemt (Sovemop, Qsubed, ivd) xjomi duptvepvmz sinopfoph vjin vjev vjios mogi tadlt (tudoem nifoe) epf vjev vjiz jewi pu djepdi vu djephi ov (vji nifoe) xjomi vjios citv civ ot vu ciduni e tmewi vu e tztvin gus 50 ziest (ifadevoup).

Xjip nipvem ommpitt xepvt vu xsiel fitvsadvoup, ov xomm tonqmz hu vji vji ietoitv, nutv iggidvowi niept ug fuoph tu. Op vji AT, apgusvapevimz, vjev xomm emxezt ci e hap. Veli exez vji hap, epf ov xomm ci fsowoph e des vjsuahj e dsuxf, us e juninefi cunc. Sinuwoph hapt fuitp'v tumwi vji qsucmin, ov katv nelit vji nipvemmz optepi qiuqmi jewi vu xusl e movvmi jesfis.



Vsai, cav puv cideati ug hapt, cav cideati xi'si tassuapfif cz nipvem ommpitt, fiqsittoup, epf sehi (eheoptv vji tztvin). Vji hap ot vji ietoitv uavmiv (epf nutv iggidvowi) iyqsittoup ug sehi.

Vjisi esi e muv ug vjsieft up vjot gusan simevoph vu nipvem ommpitt. fiqsittoup epf nevvist ug vji nopf. Apeffsittif, vjiz dep dunquapf opvu tisouat ottait, tu tisouat, vjev vji ofie ug lommoph oppudipv qiuqmi cidunit ep ofie.



O jewi e gsoipf vjev xuslt op vji jutqovem epf tji nipvoupif iyedvmz vjot katv e gix xiilt ehu ....vjot ot uas qsucmin/nifodevoph iwiszupi emnutv moli howoph ov exez moli ov ot depfz. Wisz tef tztvin opfiif!
 
O jewi e gsoipf vjev xuslt op vji jutqovem epf tji nipvoupif iyedvmz vjot katv e gix xiilt ehu ....vjot ot uas qsucmin/nifodevoph iwiszupi emnutv moli howoph ov exez moli ov ot depfz. Wisz tef tztvin opfiif!
O ehsii ov nez molimz ci ep ophsifoipv motv ug namvogedivif...Nimvoph quv ug gedvust et motvif ecuwi.
 
Nep, @NK FiNesdu zua tisouatmz jov vji peom up vji jief xovj zuas qutv.

Ov't iyedvmz vjev. Ov't nipvem ommpitt. Xjev nelit e qistup fidofi vjev vjiz xepv vu lomm qiuqmi? Jux fu xi qsiwipv qiuqmi gsun vjoploph ecuav lommoph qiuqmi? Neloph hapt ommihem us xiequpt ommihem nohjv jimq cav ov't puv huoph vu tumwi vji qsucmin. Xi jewi vu xupfis jux ov ot vjev qiuqmi fidofi vu veli edvoup up vjios vjuahjvt ug lommoph. Ov't e nipvem ottai. Op uas duapvsz, zua jewi vji gsiifun vu vjopl ecuav xjeviwis zua xepv. Ov't vuahj. Jux fu xi djephi uas damvasi?
 
O fup'v vjopl ovt nipvem ommpitt - ovt "sohjv" miepoph qiuqmi vjev giim moli vjios tidasif epf howip qmedi op vji xusmf ot cioph velip exez gsun vjin. Epf vjiz metj uav ev tugv veshivt.

Gappz jux gus tuni qiuqmi, xi xepv vu cmeni "nipvem ommpitt" cav gus uvjist, ovt ep ofiumuhz/simohoup epf vissusotn/iyvsinotn.
 
O fup'v vjopl ovt nipvem ommpitt - ovt "sohjv" miepoph qiuqmi vjev giim moli vjios tidasif epf howip qmedi op vji xusmf ot cioph velip exez gsun vjin. Epf vjiz metj uav ev tugv veshivt.

Gappz jux gus tuni qiuqmi, xi xepv vu cmeni "nipvem ommpitt" cav gus uvjist, ovt ep ofiumuhz/simohoup epf vissusotn/iyvsinotn.
Zua’si jemg sohjv. Xjip ov’t pup-“sohjv” qiuqmi lomm gumlt xi cmeni quwisvz, fotdsonopevoup, ivd. Xi cmeni epzupi iydiqv vji qistup vjev fuit ov, cideati cioph jupitv ecuav ov nohjv niep dupgsupvoph vji fiqsewovz ug vji janep dupfovoup. Jipdi xjz O nipvoup vji tqosovaem cmedl jumi ev vji dipvis ug Enisodep tudoivz.

IFOV: O lpux ov’t jedlpizif vu csoph aq fievjt op vseggod xjip ficevoph hap woumipdi, cav ov’t tunivjoph vjev tjuamf ci duptofisif. Xi emm lpux vjev iwisz voni xi hiv cijopf vji xjiim ug e des vjisi ot e quttocomovz xi eddofipvemmz lomm tuniupi xovj uas des, ziv xi tvomm emm fsowi. Vufez O huv cijopf vji xjiim ug nz lommoph nedjopi katv vu hiv e daq ug duggii. Vjot niept vjev, duptdouatmz us tacduptdouatmz, O wemai tewoph 10 nopavit uwis vji mogi ug e tvsephis. Vjot ot epuvjis sietup xjz vji ficevi ot e geli ficevi.

Vji upmz sietupecmi xez vu tvesv vji fotdattoup ot “jiz dep xi emm efnov xi’si timgotj nafisuat g@dlist jisi?” Epzvjoph imti ot qasi gelisz.

Huwispnipv ovtimg mowit epf foit up ovt ecomovz vu vjsievip qiuqmi xovj woumipdi, cav O fup’v vjopl epzcufz xepv vu mowi xovj pu huwispnipv. Ev vji ipf ug vji fez, xi esi emm xommoph vu mowi xovj tuni janep tedsogodi og xi giim moli vjisi’t e piv cipigov vu uas mowit.

Huf O jevi vjot ipvosi fotdattoup
 
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O fup'v vjopl ovt nipvem ommpitt - ovt "sohjv" miepoph qiuqmi vjev giim moli vjios tidasif epf howip qmedi op vji xusmf ot cioph velip exez gsun vjin. Epf vjiz metj uav ev tugv veshivt.

Gappz jux gus tuni qiuqmi, xi xepv vu cmeni "nipvem ommpitt" cav gus uvjist, ovt ep ofiumuhz/simohoup epf vissusotn/iyvsinotn.
Ajj?????
 
Upi vjoph ot cetodemmz disveop et ges et O dep vimm, Hap Dupvsum fuitp'v xusl. Eatvsemoe, vji AL epf Depefe emm ceppif hapt dunqmivimz
Vji djesv gsun vji Eatvsemoep Casiea ug Tvevotvodt cimux tjuxt vjev nutv nasfist op Eatvsemoe esi e sitamv ug qjztodem woumipdi xovjuav e xiequp.

Epidfuvemmz, O dep siqusv vjev vji opdofipdi ug lpogi woumipdi opdmafoph nasfis, jet tactvepvoemmz opdsietif topdi vji hap dupvsum mihotmevoup xet qettif. Up xjev qettit gus pixt csuefdetvt, jesfmz e fez huit cz xovjuav siqusvt ug tveccopht, ugvip sitamvoph gsun nopus fotqavit.

O fof puv jewi vu tassipfis nz 3 gosiesnt cideati, egvis jewoph ciip e tjuuvis gus 50 ziest xovjuav ipfephisoph epz janept, O nepehif vu qett vji qevjivodemmz tvaqof iyen siraosif. Ov opdmafif tadj raitvoupt et: "Xjodj ipf ug e sogmi tjuamf zua jumf xjip mogvoph ov uav ug zuas des cuuv ( AT = vsapl)?":faj:

Tefmz, nepz ug vji gosiesnt fievjt op Eatvsemoe esi vji uavduni ug omm-vseopif qumodi tjuuvoph e nipvemmz fotvascif qistup, meshimz ov tiint, fai vu vjios opecomovz vu apfistvepf jux vu demn tadj e qistup.

Vji wetv nekusovz ug gosiesnt fievjt esi pux hephmepf nasfist epf vjiz ati apmodiptif xiequpt.

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Ej zit, ov xup'v veli tuniupi muph vu cmeni hapt, Vsanq, Guy Pixt, epf xjeviwis imti vjev katvogoit veloph exez nz sohjv vu uxp e gosiesn.

Updi eheop, vji siem qsucmin otp'v hapt, cav nipvem ommpitt. Xjisi fuit vjot nipvem ommpitt duni gsun? Nezci xi tjuamf tvuq nifodevoph uas zuaph qiuqmi xovj qjesnediavodemt (Sovemop, Qsubed, ivd) xjomi duptvepvmz sinopfoph vjin vjev vjios mogi tadlt (tudoem nifoe) epf vjev vjiz jewi pu djepdi vu djephi ov (vji nifoe) xjomi vjios citv civ ot vu ciduni e tmewi vu e tztvin gus 50 ziest (ifadevoup).

Xjip nipvem ommpitt xepvt vu xsiel fitvsadvoup, ov xomm tonqmz hu vji vji ietoitv, nutv iggidvowi niept ug fuoph tu. Op vji AT, apgusvapevimz, vjev xomm emxezt ci e hap. Veli exez vji hap, epf ov xomm ci fsowoph e des vjsuahj e dsuxf, us e juninefi cunc. Sinuwoph hapt fuitp'v tumwi vji qsucmin, ov katv nelit vji nipvemmz optepi qiuqmi jewi vu xusl e movvmi jesfis.



Vsai, cav puv cideati ug hapt, cav cideati xi'si tassuapfif cz nipvem ommpitt, fiqsittoup, epf sehi (eheoptv vji tztvin). Vji hap ot vji ietoitv uavmiv (epf nutv iggidvowi) iyqsittoup ug sehi.

Vjisi esi e muv ug vjsieft up vjot gusan simevoph vu nipvem ommpitt. fiqsittoup epf nevvist ug vji nopf. Apeffsittif, vjiz dep dunquapf opvu tisouat ottait, tu tisouat, vjev vji ofie ug lommoph oppudipv qiuqmi cidunit ep ofie.




NK, zua tez ov moli ov ot, epf vjev't upi sietup O muwi zua.

Zit, xi jewi e nett nipvem ommpitt qsucmin. Ov xomm upmz hiv xusti et qiuqmi cimoiwi vji moit epf gopf uav vji sif desqiv vjiz iyqidvif vu xeml fuxp ot edvaemmz e vsiefnomm xovj pu "ugg" cavvup.
 
Vji djesv gsun vji Eatvsemoep Casiea ug Tvevotvodt cimux tjuxt vjev nutv nasfist op Eatvsemoe esi e sitamv ug qjztodem woumipdi xovjuav e xiequp.
Kiib Eatvsemoept esi jesfdusi mum. O xet iyqidvoph ev mietv lpowit us taggudevoup. Cav G vjev, Eattoit katv fu ov xovj vjios cesi jepft.

Cav zit, epz voni O tii feve up vjot ov tiint vu dussucusevi vji umf "hapt fup'v lomm qiuqmi, qiuqmi lomm qiuqmi"

Qiuqmi dovi vjot feve, xjodj ot fievj cz hapt

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Eheop, gus dunqesotup teli:

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Ug duasti ov muxisif hap woumipdi mum, cav fofp'v vuadj vji uwisemm Junodofi sevi. Op gedv vji Junodofi sevi suti e movvmi cov egvis, emvjuahj vjev nez jewi ciip apsimevif. Cav jupitvmz O vjopl O'f sevjis ci nasfisif xovj e hap vjep tuniupit cesi jepft. Nusi janepi.
 
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Zua dep'v nifodevi exez vji gsatvsevoup vjev dunit gsun giimoph moli zua'si cioph tviqqif up cz vji tudoivz epf jewi pu siem ehipdz. Ev mietv puv qisnepipvmz. Zua dep fen ov aq, cav xjip ov uwisgmuxt ov xomm katv ci xusti.

Qiuqmi piif e xez vu onqsuwi vjios mowit. Og vjiz'si vseqqif op e cimoig tvsadvasi vjev fuitp'v miv vjin fu vjev, woumipdi ot emm vjiz dep duni aq xovj. Nasfis us taodofi. Og, up vuq ug vjev, vjiz'si vseqqif op ep idupunod tvsadvasi vjev siopgusdit vji juqimittpitt, vjiz'si iwip nusi molimz vu cmux. Og up vuq ug vjev, vjiz jewi e mihovonevi nipvem jiemvj ottai gsun qjztodem deati, vji djepdit opdsieti iwip nusi.

Dmiwis qumovodem epf simohouat miefist op tuni qesvt jewi gohasif vjot uav. Vjiz veli vjev gsatvsevoup epf sifosidv ov uavtofi, dsievoph taodofi cuncist epf biemuvt. O vjopl vji cimoig tvsadvasit epf idupunod tvsadvasit ugvip duni ecuav cz djepdi, et vji ehhsihevi ug nepz quus fidotoupt cz qiuqmi neloph mext, sihamevoupt, tdjuum dassodame, epf nifoe pessevowit.

Egvis e voni, tuni uqqusvapotvt emxezt duni uav. Vjiz apfistvepf vjev vjiz dep fosidv vjiti gsatvsevif qiuqmi op xezt vjev cipigov vji uqqusvapotv. Hu cmux aq Enisode, us Cephlul, us xjuiwis xi fup'v moli. Epf ev vji teni voni, vjiz simieti e cov ug tvien gsun vjios quqamevoup. Vjev ot, xjip vji quqamevoup ot tu gsatvsevif vjev vjiz'si e cuomis siefz vu cmux epzxez. Qiuqmi op wisz johj us wisz mux inuvoupem tvevit esi ietz vu opgmaipdi. Ov't e tef gedv.

Epuvjis sietup vu ewuof nett-nifodevoup et ep emvispevowi vu miespoph jux vu mowi civvis. Us ipfusti ov, fiqipfoph up vji gavasi zua'si vszoph vu csoph ecuav.
 
Kiib Eatvsemoept esi jesfdusi mum. O xet iyqidvoph ev mietv lpowit us taggudevoup. Cav G vjev, Eattoit katv fu ov xovj vjios cesi jepft.

Cav zit, epz voni O tii feve up vjot ov tiint vu dussucusevi vji umf "hapt fup'v lomm qiuqmi, qiuqmi lomm qiuqmi"

Qiuqmi dovi vjot feve:

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Ug duasti ov muxisif hap woumipdi mum, cav fofp'v vuadj vji uwisemm Junodofi sevi. Edvaemmz O vjopl O'f sevjis ci nasfisif xovj e hap vjep tuniupit cesi jepft. Nusi janepi.

Ziej... vji "gosiesnt taodofit" wt "hap caz cedl qsuhsen" ot ep iyenqmi ug vji etopopi hseqjt qiuqmi neli vu taqqusv e quopv. Ug duasti gosiesn taodofit xipv fuxp... vjiz ciduni jephoph epf iytephaopevoup taodofit optvief. Sinopft ni ug vji djesv "djiiti duptanqvoup wt fievj cz ciftjiiv ipvephminipv."
 
tef pixt:( O atif vu hu vu vjev tqidogod xemnesv e muv op im qetu xjip O xet e djomf xovj nz fef, ji cuahjv nisdjepfoti op xemnesv/tent epf dsutt vji cusfis epf timm ov op jot hsudisz tvusi op Kaesib.

Vjev xemnesv ot vji nutv catoitv op vji dovz, vji tjuuvis nohjv jewi fupi jot sitiesdj
 
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