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People will look at you like a crazy person if you start intermittent fasting, taking cold showers, walking more instead of driving, saving money, abstaining from alcohol, dressing better than an average slob, or traveling to exotic, uncomfortable destinations instead

Recently i lost 20 pounds by doing some intermittent fasting, and people thought it was insane eating just once a day, some even told me i would surely gain it all back or that i would develop some medical issue.

after a few days the hunger although still there does not feel uncomfortable at all, if you wouldn't try you wouldn't know, maybe that's why they thought it was absolutly insane.
 
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all my coworkers are overweight and its irritating me on a deep level now that i've known for awhile that the cure is reallly truly genuinely as simple as intermittent fasting.

It's so damn simple to get in shape, simpler than anyone would suspect, but they just don't give it a chance. Anytime the topic of weight comes up i always energetically endorse intermittent fasting, but nobody ever frickin gives it a try!

Is it that frickin hard to skip breakfast, eat late lunch and early dinner? or eat breakfast and big lunch and skip dinner? both ways would fit the 16/8 schedule.

30 days of that would show results guaranteed.
God helps those who help themselves...
 

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30 days of that would show results guaranteed.
30 days is all it took to convince me, although i went hardcore with just one meal a day, albeit a big healthy meal mostly vegetables and protein.

If anyone would like to try it in the healthiest way possible they should check out this channel:
Dr. Eric Berg DC
 

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the one comment i keep getting that really does actually piss me off is
"you're skinny cause of your fast metabolism" or
"how old are you? oh in ur 20's? ok dont wry that man weight will hit you eventually"
yup of course it got nothing to do with my diet and lifestyle....
 
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Thanks for the thread. You made me notice the health benefits of cold showers. Since to weeks I take at least one cold shower per day and since 1 week I take them as cold as possible. I feel GREAT after every single cold shower.

BTW today I took 2 cold showers. One in the morning and one after a workout. Almost talked myself out of the second shower. It's scary how you subconscious mind tries super hard to get you to take the easy option. Call it resistance, homeostasis or whatever but if you are not aware of this force that tries to get you to always take the easy route you have pretty much lost the battle before it has begun and that is not just for business but also for health, relationships etc.
 

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I'm glad to hear that, @MakeItHapen. Cold showers have anti-depressive effects and they make me feel great, too.

if you are not aware of this force that tries to get you to always take the easy route you have pretty much lost the battle before it has begun and that is not just for business but also for health, relationships etc.

Definitely, and that's the whole point of this exercise.
 

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wow, that felt good!
I definitely couldn't breathe for the first minute or so. But using aspects of the Wim Hof method really helped, especially holding the breath.
Day 1, success!

How many days in a row are others on?
 

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Cold showers.... rule.

I listened to a radio show on 1280theZone on my way to my Slowlane job and the DJ was going on and on about the joys of cold showers. He said you have to turn on the shower and step in right away... don't wait for anything... just act.

I did the same thing trading options on the stock market...
 

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I listened to a radio show on 1280theZone on my way to my Slowlane job and the DJ was going on and on about the joys of cold showers.

You'll be happy to know that you do grow out of this phase. It will pass.

I was out last night and had some ice cold beers. Really really cold.
 
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Honestly, I enjoyed hearing both @MTF (and @biophase)'s and @Real Deal Denver 's perspectives on this subject. I think that if we are just focusing on some of the best documented benefits of cold showers, such as it's ability to shock you out of tiredness and into a more alert mode, heal your torn muscles faster, improve blood circulation, and help you burn fat more efficiently, then it's fine to view it as cool little hack to help give you that extra edge. But I sense that @Real Deal Denver 's main concern is that we don't let our ability to undergo it go too much to our heads. I mean, being able to withstand a cold shower may or may not help you be better able to deal with other, less-related stresses that come from things like public speaking, taking big financial risks, keeping a cool head under gunfire, or handling public rejection from an extremely attractive woman. Sure, some people, perhaps some of you here, may be able to transfer the benefits over into other domains, such as the ones mentioned above. But let's be honest, there are tons of so-called "alpha males" running around, taking pride in their ability to perform certain feats of strength and endurance, but when it comes to other areas of their lives, they're just as immature and underdeveloped as any typical prepubescent boy. Perhaps the ability to use such practices as a form of "mental conditioning/training" is a skill or discipline in and of itself, a skill that can be used to dominate other domains, not just those that relate to strength and endurance. If this is the same skill that @Real Deal Denver values, then it's practically the same skill that @MTF values as well.

Edit: (Or maybe the word I'm looking for is "quality". Perhaps it's a certain quality. -shrug)
 
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Comfort is the enemy. Luckily I learned this lesson early on through being forced to face fears (real physical ones) and it has just rolled out into the rest of my life. The more you challenge yourself, the more uncomfortable you are, the stronger and more resilient you become in all facets of life.

Great writeup @MTF +REP
 

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Thanks for a great post! Never knew the effects of a cold shower until now. I appreciated the validation to many things I already do. I will say that when I'm expecting the cold shower it's much easier to prepare / handle it vs having the surprise of one because my kids have used up all the hot water. All in the attitude.
 
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Thanks for a great post! Never knew the effects of a cold shower until now. I appreciated the validation to many things I already do. I will say that when I'm expecting the cold shower it's much easier to prepare / handle it vs having the surprise of one because my kids have used up all the hot water. All in the attitude.

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Did the cold shower start to the day this morning! Brisk but woke me right up / lethargy went right down the drain in a jiffy! Thanks for the suggestion.
 

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Did the cold shower start to the day this morning! Brisk but woke me right up / lethargy went right down the drain in a jiffy! Thanks for the suggestion.

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After physiological needs, the most essential need of every human being is security and safety. You can't thrive as an entrepreneur if you constantly fear for your life the way people living in a war-torn country do.

However, if you're reading this, all of your basic needs are most likely well-taken care of. Fortunately, nowadays relatively few people (compared to history) lack safety and security which means that whenever you experience discomfort, it's likely the kind that will help you grow instead of putting your life at risk.

Which brings me to the point of this thread.... But first, the promised exercise which I guarantee will help you become a better entrepreneur and a better person, too.

Head to the bathroom. Get undressed (this isn't anything perverse, I promise). Turn on the cold water. Step into the shower and stand there for at least a minute (if you need some motivation, here are some benefits of cold showers).

If your initial reaction is to immediately turn the water to hot and say "screw it, that's bullshit, it's too uncomfortable"... YOU'RE WEAK.

(Obviously do it only if you're healthy. Shocking your body this way isn't safe if you suffer from heart-related disorders or any similar problems.)

And no, you aren't weak just because you don't like cold water. You're weak because I can safely assume that if you immediately seek the comfort of hot water and don't even try to endure willingly imposed discomfort just to test your strength, you probably make bad decisions in your business and personal life.

In the modern scripted society, the message we're being told is that you deserve comfort. You deserve to be protected from any kind of hardship. Ideally, you should never experience anything that will challenge you because it will crush your little fragile ego. You're considered crazy if you choose to forgo some pleasures in exchange to do the hard thing and reap long-term benefits.

And so, many people:
  • are bad learners because the moment they're faced with something difficult to solve, they back out, annoyed that they aren't as perfect as they thought (you can't look bad, better to do easy stuff just so you can look like you're competent),
  • experience mental breakdowns because they got a parking ticket or dropped their smartphone (which they immediately have to replace with another expensive iPhone because a single scratch will cut their precious sensitive soft fingers),
  • eat (sh*tty food) every two to three hours because they absolutely can't experience hunger (and if they skip a meal for some reason, they're starving and never fail to announce it to everybody around),
  • have extremely low pain tolerance (from my experience, women are much stronger than whingy men in this aspect),
  • avoid all kinds of challenges which leads them to living a mediocre life while being envious of and criticizing successful people (they fail to realize that people become successful not because of luck, but because they're willing to suffer).
Very few people willingly opt for discomfort.

If there's a staircase and an elevator, most will choose the elevator. Few understand that even if the stairs aren't as comfortable, they offer you the opportunity to engage in a natural and healthy movement which most desk-bound people desperately need.

If a person feels hungry, they immediately run to the kitchen to grab something to eat. Few skip a meal or two, even fewer skip an entire day of eating just so they can grow their willpower and/or reset their bodies. After all, you'll die of starvation if you skip your daily portion of highly processed foods, right?

If a person is scared of heights or have any other fear that repeated exposure could eliminate, they avoid any situations where they can experience this type of fear. Few deliberately - despite feeling the exact same fear as the weak people - engage in scary situations to overcome their fear.

If a person gets diagnosed with high blood pressure or cholesterol levels, they'll choose a pill over implementing healthy habits in their lives. Few understand that as uncomfortable as establishing healthy habits is in the beginning, it's the only viable solution to stay healthy (barring any unpreventable conditions).

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People will look at you like a crazy person if you start intermittent fasting, taking cold showers, walking more instead of driving, saving money, abstaining from alcohol, dressing better than an average slob, or traveling to exotic, uncomfortable destinations instead of staying at a 5-star hotel at the beach.

What's the moral?

If you can't tolerate willingly imposed discomfort that you can easily escape if you decide it's too difficult to handle, how likely are you to tolerate discomfort that you're guaranteed to experience on your entrepreneurial journey - discomfort that you can't evade?

The next time you experience discomfort, don't run away from it like every other weak person. Look at it as an opportunity to get stronger. Embrace the difficulty and the pain involved in handling the uncomfortable situation.

Rinse and repeat, and with each passing year, fewer things will bother you. Which is a nice side benefit: thanks to welcoming more discomfort in my life, I'm a much more laid-back person today than I was just a few years ago.

I still sometimes fail and find myself incapable of dealing with some situations, but just like entrepreneurship, it's a journey. You can start it today with a simple cold shower.

Bump. This is a powerful thread to read in conjunction with the David Goggins discussion that's currently taking place.
 

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Wtf. Why must you torture me?!?

Ffs. <insert more imaginative cursing.>

Hold my beer.
 
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What? If you tried the cold shower exercise, it certainly wasn't anyone but yourself who tortured you...
:innocent: :halo:

(By the way, since you're an INSIDERS, I'm guessing you don't see any ads, but the ad appearing in your post is almost like it's a custom illustration for the purpose...:playful:)
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I got in the habit of doing this in the middle of (our) winter.

Houses in New Zealand aren't big on this whole "insulation" thing (central heating? LOL)

That was some good times.
 
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“In the modern scripted society, the message we're being told is that you deserve comfort. You deserve to be protected from any kind of hardship. Ideally, you should never experience anything that will challenge you because it will crush your little fragile ego. You're considered crazy if you choose to forgo some pleasures in exchange to do the hard thing and reap long-term benefits.”

This is why we have words like “nerd.” The word (once spelled “nurd”) likely originated as the reverse of the word “drunk.” Losers couldn’t stand that sober, intelligent, talented, creative, diligent people actually got results; to live with themselves, they coined a dumb pejorative. In other words, “If you stay sober long enough to achieve anything, there’s something wrong with you.”

For the society to criticize people who can delay gratification in order to get somewhere is sad, indeed.
 
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What? If you tried the cold shower exercise, it certainly wasn't anyone but yourself who tortured you...
:innocent: :halo:

(By the way, since you're an INSIDERS, I'm guessing you don't see any ads, but the ad appearing in your post is almost like it's a custom illustration for the purpose...:playful:)
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Yea I don’t see those ads anymore (THANK GOD) but that’s actually hilarious! Thanks for sharing!

ANNNNNNNND...
Here’s the update. Don’t keep reading if you can’t handle silly kid stories.

I did it. Omg. I’m a wussy girl who screams at cold showers. So loud.

But get this! In a twist of New Year’s Eve fun I totes inspired my kids to do it first as an <insert deep announcer’s voice> Ultimate Challenge (that would get a popsicle as reward) and they did it!!!!

So when it was my turn I had little people screaming at me from the other side of the shower curtain “YOU CAN DO IT MAMAAAAA!!! 30 more seconds!!”

Soo looks like we’re gonna hafta turn this into some kinda regular thing. They immediately wanted to know what the next challenge was.

This was WAY more fun than I thought it was gonna be! Don’t make me do anything else. Hahaha lmfao!
 

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I've been doing this for a while and it's great. Whenever I do it, I have the old Offspring song that goes "the more you suffer, the more it shows you really care!" running through my head. It actually helps, believe it or not.
 

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Believe it or not, cold showers can actually become enjoyable once you've made it a habit!
 
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I started doing cold showers after my workouts last week as a result of this thread and reading Can't Hurt Me. I definitely struggled at first, as I seem to get a headache from the cold after a bit.

However, last night, I was going to give myself a break from it, and then I realized that I really like how much they wake me up and refresh me, so I hopped right into one! Going to definitely try to keep it up now, and it gives me a good laugh as well to watch my own reactions during it.
 

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Whenever I do it, I have the old Offspring song that goes "the more you suffer, the more it shows you really care!" running through my head. It actually helps, believe it or not.

Lol you know they meant that ironically right
 

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@MTF Damn dude, I was reading this after wasting countless hours on youtube with stupid crap filling my head. I wish I caught this earlier but I'm glad I did overall.

Thank you for this post. +rep
 

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