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Not to mention a dozen European countries, Morroco, most, if not all of Central and South America and even the more developed countries in Asia like Taiwan.

There is a whole bunch of location independent "lifestyle business" owners out there who travel and live in these countries without breaking the bank. They call themselves Digital Nomads. Now, a good chunk of them are broke bloggers who chose to live in Thailand because they cannot afford to live anywhere else, but many of them are also living excellent lives.
I have heard of decent programs that allow you to work for food and board too, with flexible time to travel.

Most of them are JOBS like fruit picking or manual labour or English teaching. I'm not sure if the rules have become stricter, but I'm sure they still exist.

Of course though, not all these jobs are 'sexy'. I never hear of a 'broke blogger' looking into such an option either.:rofl::rofl::rofl:

i think you’ve jumped to all three conclusions prematurely
Not really prematurely.

Most people can't travel or apply NLP due to lack of discipline, lack of mental fortitude and other reasons.

When I first travelled to NZ as a small kid, I disliked the entire trip as I got tired of the beautiful and picturesque scenery. Now I'm a different person.

Not everyone is cut out for the 'finer things' although they should try them out, the same way we approach college or coding.
 
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Most people can't travel or apply NLP due to lack of discipline, lack of mental fortitude and other reasons.

When I first travelled to NZ as a small kid, I disliked the entire trip as I got tired of the beautiful and picturesque scenery. Now I'm a different person.

This is very different to "NLP is BS" and "Travelling is the best way to empty your bank account, even if you're a millionaire."

It would serve everyone to avoid speaking in, and supporting, absolutes.
 

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... travelling, I believe that there are lots of ways to travel on the cheap, as long you have a budget. There's lots of discounts and cheap accoms parked all over the web to research.

For currency exchange, the USD still translates into good cash for many currencies. However, mine, the Malaysian ringgit is something like 1USD to 3.92 RM (as of now)...so I would need a bit more dough to have a nice travel.

You'll have to select certain places to visit, like markets or mainstream monuments. You can't visit them all!

And yes, social media overhype stuff, probably for their sales funnels to their 4-hr work week styled business and products. :happy::rofl:

Still costly actually lol. From MY/SG to say, Thailand for a week, with the cheapest air tickets and hotels, you still need $500 for everything, shopping and food etc. Places like Taiwan cost me around $750+ and I'm already scrimping on many things.

Imagine, what you can do with those hundreds of dollars...... buy more inventory, run ads, buy influencers, do all kinds of things with your hustle!

Travel a month through Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, India or Indonesia and tell me that again. If you avoid overpriced hotels you will spend less than being at home in Singapore. Guaranteed.

A month in those countries is still expensive, I would say you need to allocate a couple thousand USDs if you want to have a comfortable holiday. Not a fan of backpackers type of sweaty holiday lol

Imagine doing that several times a year. Imagine traveling to countries in Europe where their average food price (burgers etc.) makes the food here look cheap as dirt lol

Probably more likely $10,000 ("5 figures") in one month and 1-3 figures monthly after that.

Came across this gif just now...

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On the other hand, I still feel if he continued with the normal hustle instead of the guru direction, he could have made it big. Come on, he already has the best network by far : access to mj, bio, vig, jasonr.....:thumbsup:
 

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Traveling the world is not expensive. There’s no way someone would go broken traveling the world in moderation if they had a 5-figure location independent monthly income.

You know how you go broke traveling the world? When you don’t have any money when you start and you have no income while you travel.
 
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You know how you go broke traveling the world? When you don’t have any money when you start and you have no income while you travel.

THIS. Sorry, I just have not overcome my phobia of spending money.
 

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Still costly actually lol. From MY/SG to say, Thailand for a week, with the cheapest air tickets and hotels, you still need $500 for everything, shopping and food etc. Places like Taiwan cost me around $750+ and I'm already scrimping on many things.

A ticket from Singapore to Thailand and back will cost you roughly 80 USD. A good and fresh meal in a local restaurant will cost you 1-2 USD. You can spend a fortune on everything in life.

Maybe you should rephrase your orgiginal statement: "The choices I make while travelling are the best way to empty my bank account."

Imagine doing that several times a year.

I did that several times a year, for years. I still saved more than I would when being at home (Germany).

countries in Europe where their average food price (burgers etc.) makes the food here look cheap as dirt lol
I can not think of any country in Europe which would do that. Singapore currently ranks as the top most expensive city in the world. Check it out: Singapore and Hong Kong Top World’s Most Expensive Cities
 

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I'm so confused right now... and I feel like I wasted my time writing on the "well defined" thread, many great posts from different people wasted after becoming such a joke...

Also, NLP is not BS but it doesn't work if you don't do it.

I've met some guys that became obsessed with NLP, they think that once mastered they'd be demi-gods or something, for me is obvious that they're just trying to mask their lack of self-esteem. A subconscious manifestation of their own perception of inadequacy.

I know people that make you feel weird when you talk to them, as if they were trying hard not to make it obvious that they're trying some tricks with you. They should remember that NLP is just a model of communication built on top of your own skill. If your basic skill is crappy, using NLP makes you look creepy AF.

And now I'm even more confused, if Andrew is an NLP Master practitioner why does he need a whole year to get rid of approach anxiety? Why doesn't he get an NLP partner and recondition each other?

And those fricking tags LOL!
 
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$2,500 - $3,000 a month is a very realistic budget per month (all in) for most of South America and Europe (not Zurich or Monaco of course). This includes a nice apartment, gym, food, flights, insurance, dates, sightseeing, and good food. It is going to nice places and doing fun things.

You could do it cheaper or you could just learn to make more money and do it right. The difference between spending 1500 and 2500 in a cheaper country is massive. Think amazing sushi a few times a week and a maid versus staying a hostel listening to drunk tourists trying to make toast at 3:20am.

"But Fox you could save all that and invest it in..."

Yes but I am happy taking an extra one or two years to get to my end goal so that I can see a bunch of nice places along the way. I know I could be making more if I locked down in one city and worked hard but I enjoy seeing the world and moving around. For me travel is the end goal so might as well start early ;)
 

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Is there proof he has ever had an iOS business?

I agree that you can't trust anyone. However, he did. I remember when he started it. It was in the News Stand (which I don't think exists anymore). Not sure about the current status of things now.

Also, NLP is not BS but it doesn't work if you don't do it.

I personally don't get the whole NLP thing. I tried it for a day, then realized that it took time away from trying to find success in my own business.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it works, but nothing replaces hard work, grinding it out, and pushing through your own barriers. In other-words, just doing it. Unfortunately, you can't build a big business off of the advice, "Just do it."
 
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I moved back to Boulder, Colorado - because the women I fell in love with could not leave my heart for the life of me.

Jesus Christ. I don't know Andrew personally but anyone who has done this and sees nothing wrong with it should NOT be giving advice to men on their dating lives.

To find a girl who is more into Law of Attraction and NLP than I am, and someone who is naturally attracted to me for who I am at my core.

Big red flag. Law of Attraction is cancer if not balanced with healthy pessimism. To infer that you're super into the Law of Attraction means that you're somehow F*cked in the head denying reality. Like sure, I'm into Law of Attraction but guess what else I'm really into. PESSIMISM.

Sometimes you just won't be able to stop Rome from falling, conquer Russia, or prevent 9/11. And that shit is your fault and you should be have a constant healthy paranoia about it SO THAT YOU CAN PREVENT IT. The Law of Attraction diehards (like Andrew seems to proclaim himself to be) don't want to do that, they want to think up happy horseshit all the time and catastrophe after catastrophe ensues.
 

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I personally don't get the whole NLP thing. I tried it for a day, then realized that it took time away from trying to find success in my own business.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it works, but nothing replaces hard work, grinding it out, and pushing through your own barriers. In other-words, just doing it. Unfortunately, you can't build a big business off of the advice, "Just do it."
NLP is just a set of tools and it's great when you need it, if you don't need it is pretty much useless.

It also is the most effective when applied by someone else, if you do it by yourself it takes a lot of work and it may not be worth it.
 

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NLP is just a set of tools and it's great when you need it, if you don't need it is pretty much useless.

Several NLP techniques and courses that utilize it (Tony Robbin's UPW, Landmark Forum, etc.) have been instrumental in me being extremely happy and living a life where I feel fulfilled, and being grateful for what I have.

I agree, it's a set of tools that can be weilded. And like any tool, it can hurt you too. A band saw can make it much faster to cut through wood. Or you can not know how to use it, never research it, and still be successful because you never needed a band saw to begin with. Or it can also cut your F*cking hand off.
 

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$2,500 - $3,000 a month is a very realistic budget per month (all in) for most of South America and Europe (not Zurich or Monaco of course). This includes a nice apartment, gym, food, flights, insurance, dates, sightseeing, and good food. It is going to nice places and doing fun things.

You could do it cheaper or you could just learn to make more money and do it right. The difference between spending 1500 and 2500 in a cheaper country is massive. Think amazing sushi a few times a week and a maid versus staying a hostel listening to drunk tourists trying to make toast at 3:20am.

"But Fox you could save all that and invest it in..."

Yes but I am happy taking an extra one or two years to get to my end goal so that I can see a bunch of nice places along the way. I know I could be making more if I locked down in one city and worked hard but I enjoy seeing the world and moving around. For me travel is the end goal so might as well start early ;)

Well, at least I know where my problem is now. Lack of money lol
 
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I have never seen an online thread so lovingly savage with the best of intentions.
except theag, he's just savage period.
 

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As far as I know from reading his posts Andrew discovered a way to hack the ranking system in the news stand on the app store, kind of like what people did with google back in the day. And just the same as what happened to the people who did that with google, Andrew lost it all one day in an update.

The way he made money off his magazines was promoting affiliate offers. I cant help but think that if he had learned how to create real businesses that provide value (like what JasonR, who he said he was living with and who inspired him), in each niche he had a magazine promoting offers in(or even just one), they would have had a huge kickstart and would still be doing well today.

However he didn't do that, and now, still has no idea how to create a real business or provide real value, yet is teaching people how to.

None of his results are "I became a millionaire with his coaching he taught me exactly what to do from his vast experience". His "results", even the one he was so proud of in his well defined man thread that he used to defend himself, are literally "I talked to a guy who was down and he felt better the next day". That kickstarter book cover makes me sick, hes taken credit for all that persons hard work to raise that money, yet how much impact did he really have? how much more could that guy have made with proper advice from someone who's built a real business and made millions on kickstarter.

Also, I'm not sure if its NLP or what, but I have read something about returning to your comfort zone. Not sure how its worded exactly. Like lotto winners who lose all their money and go back to their old job. Theres a theory that they subconsciously did it deliberately because thats where they saw themselves.

I cant help but think, that despite all of his NLP, if you read Andrews story, he was broke, living at home, chasing a girl, and trying to get rich quick selling affiliate crap online, and then he managed to trick apple, now he was rich, travelling, and partied once near 2 models. Then subconsciously, despite all his NLP, he's ruined it all, he's back to his comfort zone, he's in his old city, with his parents, chasing the same girl, broke and trying to make money selling affiliate crap online.

Also I'd be interested to know how successful the girl who is "just as into NLP and LOA as he is" is.

You need to get your hands dirty and build a real business Andrew. Look at where you are and look where Jason is, you started in the same place, what you are doing isn't working. Create real value. Print 1000s of your own custom product by hand. Run ads to real products that don't lie to people, lose $1000s until you find a profitable one. Get copied. Sell the business and do it all over in a new niche. This is the stuff you are claiming you can teach people how to do. Only when you have done it will you have some idea of what you can do. Hughjassle has done it and just from his free threads on this forum I was able to do this. Same with Jason and Biophase and Vig and Vicks threads, not to mention Mjs book.

I actually bought one of your "products" from a marketplace post when I was broke and vulnerable.

You sold me hopes and dreams and a quick fix. I couldn't even go past the third little video. It was rubbish. I didn't complain and ask for a refund because I couldn't be bothered, I knew you would try to say "oh you didn't finish the program how could you know if it works or not?" It was like $20 anyway too so I didn't care.

I'm just ranting now, but seriously, you dont need any help, you dont need anymore NLP, you just need to get your F*cking hands dirty and build a real business, its not easy or fast, but the process, not the event will turn you into a well defined man. That is what you should have taken from Mjs book.
 

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Travel a month through Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, India or Indonesia and tell me that again. If you avoid overpriced hotels you will spend less than being at home in Singapore. Guaranteed.

+1! I spent a week in Phucket in a nice resort, I was wasted every day from Sun up to Sun Down to Sun Up, I did almost every attraction there, bought too many items to bring back... and still some how managed to spend less than a month of my living expenses. And I dont really live a fancy lifestyle.
This is only one of my adventures. Travelling doesn't have to break the bank at all if you financially prepare for it and take your time planning it.
 
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Several NLP techniques and courses that utilize it (Tony Robbin's UPW, Landmark Forum, etc.) have been instrumental in me being extremely happy and living a life where I feel fulfilled, and being grateful for what I have.

Tony Robbins is about the only person who I will listen to. But isn’t he focused more on NAC - neuro associative conditioning? which seems a bit different than NLP. I am probably wrong though. All of these fancy acronyms get confusing after while.
 

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Tony Robbins is about the only person who I will listen to. But isn’t he focused more on NAC - neuro associative conditioning? which seems a bit different than NLP. I am probably wrong though. All of these fancy acronyms get confusing after while.

/shrug

i studied the seminal NLP text (the structure of magic) and a lot of what tony does has a huge overlap from what i could tell.
 

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After hearing about some of the goings on recently I decided to un-ignore Andrew and do a quick catch-up on things.

Wow. Just wow.

My takeaway: Almost everyone was not only rooting for, but practically begging Andrew to just "come clean" and be genuine. Like a few dozen shepherds trying to get back 1 lost sheep.

Sure there was some sarcasm along the way, and some trolling, but the overall message was practically a Star Wars moment - most folks were seeing "the good inside" this lost soul and begging him to return to the light. A dozen outstretched hands being slapped away and those dozen hands coming back to try again.

Even the hard-hitting & extremely blunt posts dripped with more respect than you gave them in return - it was patient explanation after patient argument after patient example - for pages and pages. No matter how much you ignored and pressed on they kept trying to guide you. These are folks who didn't respect what you were doing AT ALL but respected YOU enough to calmly and patiently explain why.

Man. I hope you find your way back one day.
 
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First of all I don't want to shoot down the OT since I don't know him.

Funny thing is I'm reading TMF at the moment and literally just now put it next to me after finishing the part about false guru's. Logged into the forum to catch up on the topics and ironically came across this thread.

Makes me only more aware of the message and this whole community together.

Btw @MJ DeMarco I'm loving it!
 

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There’s no way someone would go broken traveling the world in moderation if they had a 5-figure location independent monthly income.
Cheapest way travel online. lol
 
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Had a message I decided to toss. I'll complete it.

Again, I'm not out to troll just like in your other thread. There are way too many trolls on the internet. There is too much false self and too much ego on the internet.

First thing:

You have not mastered the emotional freedom technique (EFT). It is a powerful technique and devastatingly emotionally draining. If you haven't added physical movement to your efforts and found your unique center then you are still far from home and your awakening.

In fact, the technique is so devastatingly powerful for anyone that dream changes (your subconscious) are normal. Even deeper into it, you can feel physical changes in your body from posture, tone of voice, mannerisms, behaviors, and even all the way up to how sensations actually feel for you.

You have not sat in the gap. Find the gap. See my tag.

I'm not making a wild assumption here even though I didn't read all of your original post. You have shown cursory knowledge of a lot of things, even women.

I am assuming now that you don't have a mental illness. You need to find your awakening. At the early stages and development of my mental illness, I suffered from an affinity and interest in receiving mental pain. I also happened to be naive with women and life. I severely underestimated its challenges. Your thread proves that you wanted mental pain.

Many men suffer from this phenomenon. So men even go so far as to say they want a woman who acts like a B word.

Men suffer from too much stress and societal abuse in this age. It is only natural to be inclined to unproductive pain from the factors of society.

Get your awakening

Second Thing:

I'm not entirely against the whole guru thing you did for dating. I think it was just a misguided attempt to find something successful.

If you really have the chops to teach men how to date on high level then it should sound scientific. This is only thing I've said in that thread.

I do suggest that you read a book I suggested call The Polygamous Sex by Esther Villar. She's a feminist.

Your love for a dominatrix indicates that you have self-esteem issues, hence my first point: you love unproductive mental pain.

Your body is not meant to be stimulated and activated by physical, emotional, or mental trauma. It is meant to avoid those things.

Please read the book I mentioned.

Here is why there is a dating guru paradox and why people don't generally like your thread:

1. Sex is about power and emotions. If you are emotionally maladjusted it's normal for you to have problems dating, most men are. That guy needs a therapist, not a dating coach.

2. Assuming that everything with dating is not instinctual and provided to you at birth, you don't have the credentials to be teaching dating.

3. Assuming that you can teach dating to someone, see point #1 or point #2.

4. Assuming that you do have the unlicensed (a.k.a street) credentials, why would you want to explain it to every guy even if they paid you? It's really not worth explaining because they have a different mindset than you and wouldn't believe you anyway.


I do encourage you to learn about women and love them. They represent half the population on the earth.


Examine your life deeply and how it has resulted with women though.

Last thing, assume for a second that most people are climbing the mountain and you instead want to reach the moon.

What's at the final frontier?

And,

Will you even want women when you can have them?


I messed up for a second.

This is the last thing.

You are loved. People in this world are cruel and self-interested. Everyone's family doesn't really care if members of it live or die. Some will be sad others will not. There is real love though in this world and it's closer to you than anything else. Put your hand on your chest. 24/7 and 365. It doesn't quit on you. When it's done, you're done.

If you want to know about women and what they think then start analyzing every relationship you have and start with your mother. This is where therapists start.

 
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I've no doubt Andrew is a gem. Although a very lost one.

I hope these comments and suggestions will open up his eyes and help him make a right turn in his life. Just imagine what he could accomplish with similar energy directed elsewhere. Oh boy.

As per gut instinct. I totally agree with Andrew's point that one should listen to gut instinct. After few Skype message exchanges with Andrew my gut instinct insisted me to GTFO ASAP and at the same time my BS alarms turned on too...

Although I couldn't find a better resolution video, it pretty much sums up how my first free (should I say NLP consultancy session) went:

 

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I've no doubt Andrew is a gem. Although a very lost one.

I hope these comments and suggestions will open up his eyes and help him make a right turn in his life. Just imagine what he could accomplish with similar energy directed elsewhere. Oh boy.

As per gut instinct. I totally agree with Andrew's point that one should listen to gut instinct. After few Skype message exchanges with Andrew my gut instinct insisted me to GTFO ASAP and at the same time my BS alarms turned on too...

Although I couldn't find a better resolution video, it pretty much sums up how my first free (should I say NLP consultancy session) went:

When did you have your sessions?
 
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When did you have your sessions?

It wasn't a session per se., it was just a free consultancy. At least that's how it made me feel. I can't recall, but it was definitely months ago.
 

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It wasn't a session per se., it was just a free consultancy. At least that's how it made me feel. I can't recall, but it was definitely months ago.
You are not the only one to "come out" now and post negative feedback about their experience with Andrew. Why did you wait until now vs. a month ago?
 
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