Sure, let’s blame capitalism

[Azure]

of course there was poverty, u wanna drive a Lamborghini down Nazi Bombed Stalingrad Lane?
the whole country was a wreck, millions upon millions dead, not very fair to compare that to "well developed western european nations"
I honestly think the way USSR bounced back after WW2 to be worthy of praise, going from a literal wasteland to putting the first human in space. I mean that's goddamn incredible!

as far as killed by the state, no worse than the CIA i say.

If they are unfair to compare, how can you claim the avg citizens of USSR lived a fairly similar life to that of the average American?

I can't really find any stats on the amount the CIA has killed, but if you can find a legitimate source that puts it higher than Stalins TENS OF MILLIONS, please feel free to let us know.

 

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[luniac]

Read up fam: 20th Century Democide

And as for your previous post about the USSR being “socialist right,” it’s all bullshit. In the bitter end there is only collectivism and individualism. Collectivism is responsible for tremendous bloodshed. SIX TIMES more so than all wars fought, both foreign and civil, in the entire world, during the 20th century.

It’s no secret that the US has killed hundreds of thousands of people during war. That number, however, is dwarfed by the 61 MILLION people slaughtered by the USSR alone.

Democide is horrifying and most people are completely unaware of it.

If they are unfair to compare, how can you claim the avg citizens of USSR lived a fairly similar life to that of the average American?

I can't really find any stats on the amount the CIA has killed, but if you can find a legitimate source that puts it higher than Stalins TENS OF MILLIONS, please feel free to let us know.

first provide me legitimate source of USSR slaughtering 61 MILLION and Stalin TENS OF MILLIONS.

otherwise we can agree to disagree.

 

[Chromozone]

The people on this forum are the closest to reality. It really is amazing that MJ's managed to gather so many like minded people together here.

IMO, I think part of the problem is that the advice that parents used to give 50 years ago was sound advice. However, that same advice is still being spouted even though it is now defunct. We all know the advice; go to school, get a degree, land a job and work your way up the ladder. Also, save money for a rainy day and invest in a house.

It seems to me that older generations genuinely believed that this was the way to prosperity. The thinking was that "if it worked for me, then it'll work for you."

The problem is that a few decades ago people kept on making more and more money because the economy in general was improving due technological advancement - NOT as a result of working your way up the ladder. The baby boomers don't generally realise this - that's why they keep telling the younger generations to follow the Scripted path.

The more gullible people still believe in the myth of the Script and then go on to become resentful and angry when they realise their degree isn't going to land them a job.

But, NEITHER the older generation or the younger generation talk about creating value and therefore wealth. They're completely ignorant on the topic.

 

[Azure]

first provide me legitimate source of USSR slaughtering 61 MILLION and Stalin TENS OF MILLIONS.

otherwise we can agree to disagree.

Okay, lets go with the "official" USSR count of 800 000 executions, 1.7 million deaths in Gulag camps, and 7 million dead from the 1932 famine directly caused by poor economic policy.

Show me anything comparable in a Western, capitalistic democracy in the 20th century.

 

[Thoelt53]

first provide me legitimate source of USSR slaughtering 61 MILLION and Stalin TENS OF MILLIONS.

otherwise we can agree to disagree.

I already did. If you care enough to educate yourself, I gave you hours of information to read. All sources cited. Otherwise remain ignorant.

Is being a Soviet sympathizer as bad as a Nazi sympathizer?

 

[luniac]

Okay, lets go with the "official" USSR count of 800 000 executions, 1.7 million deaths in Gulag camps, and 7 million dead from the 1932 famine directly caused by poor economic policy.

Show me anything comparable in a Western, capitalistic democracy in the 20th century.

The USSR was the result of revolution, of course there will be casualties. Those economic policies allowed Soviet economy to eventually withstand and defeat the nazis.
Don't know bout the accuracy of those numbers either. my gut tells me there's decades of propaganda and "red scare" MacArthur tactics floating around.

I already did. If you care enough to educate yourself, I gave you hours of information to read. All sources cited. Otherwise remain ignorant.

Is being a Soviet sympathizer as bad as a Nazi sympathizer?

lol ok buddy...

 

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[CycleGuy]

The USSR was the result of revolution, of course there will be casualties. Those economic policies allowed Soviet economy to eventually withstand and defeat the nazis.
Don't know bout the accuracy of those numbers either. my gut tells me there's decades of propaganda and "red scare" MacArthur tactics floating around.



lol ok buddy...

Umm the soviets defeated the Nazis with winter and pure manpower... The "soviet economy" had no role in defeating the Nazis as you just stated.

Already in December 1941, Japan's entry into the war, and its consequent preoccupation with campaigns in the Pacific, allowed Stalin to move large quantities of men and equipment to the west, where they brought the German advance to a halt before Moscow. Unprepared for a winter war, poorly clad, and exhausted from months of rapid advance and bitter fighting, the German forces had to abandon the idea of taking the Russian capital. A whole string of generals succumbed to heart attacks or nervous exhaustion, and were replaced; Hitler himself took over as commander-in-chief of the army.

Why Hitler's grand plan during the second world war collapsed


MY MIND IS LITERALLY NUKED THAT SOMEONE ON AN ENTREPRENEUR FORUM WOULD DEFEND USSR COMMUNISTS IN ANYWAY

 

[luniac]

Umm the soviets defeated the Nazis with winter and pure manpower... The "soviet economy" had no role in defeating the Nazis as you just stated.



Why Hitler's grand plan during the second world war collapsed


MY MIND IS LITERALLY NUKED THAT SOMEONE ON AN ENTREPRENEUR FORUM WOULD DEFEND USSR COMMUNISTS IN ANYWAY

LOL yea because russian have genetic antifreeze while the nazis suffered from retardation, and were defeated by pure manpower of naked russian superfreaks, with no weapons or tanks or planes or artillery or war strategy and tactics...

are u serious?

 

[CycleGuy]

LOL yea because russian have genetic antifreeze while the nazis suffered from retardation, and were defeated by pure manpower of naked russian superfreaks, with no weapons or tanks or planes or artillery or war strategy and tactics...

are u serious?

https://goo.gl/opNc4F

 

[CycleGuy]

And this is commonly what is referred to as manpower

You're defending a communist country on an Entrepreneur forum. Go home, you're drunk.

 

[luniac]

And this is commonly what is referred to as manpower

You're defending a communist country on an Entrepreneur forum. Go home, you're drunk.

I'm drunk and correct,

i do believe USSR stands for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
The communist party was in power, the country as a whole wasn't totally communist.

 

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[luniac]

I'm drunk and correct

i do believe USSR stands for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
The communist party was in power, the country as a whole wasn't totally communist.

 

[CosmicMind]

I think part of the problem is that we don't teach personal responsibility in our education system.

Namely in that we have an education system that wants to think for you instead of how to think for yourself independent of outside influence.

During K-12 they basically say: Nope you don't know what you are talking about, college is the way to success. It's worth the enormous cost cause you are gonna make millions after you get a good job. #SMH

Isn't "education" suppose to teach people how to make intelligent decisions?
-And yet we have millions of 18 year olds who think borrowing 6 figures to learn something they could of read on wikipedia is smart.

Isn't "education" suppose to teach independent thinking?

I find it funny that our own education system is so resistant to its own thinking. Isn't questioning your own thinking a sign of advanced thought? Academia apparently doesn't think so.

 

[Thoelt53]

I think part of the problem is that we don't teach personal responsibility in our education system.

Namely in that we have an education system that wants to think for you instead of how to think for yourself independent of outside influence.

During K-12 they basically say: Nope you don't know what you are talking about, college is the way to success. It's worth the enormous cost cause you are gonna make millions after you get a good job. #SMH

Isn't "education" suppose to teach people how to make intelligent decisions?
-And yet we have millions of 18 year olds who think borrowing 6 figures to learn something they could of read on wikipedia is smart.

Isn't "education" suppose to teach independent thinking?

I find it funny that our own education system is so resistant to its own thinking. Isn't questioning your own thinking a sign of advanced thought? Academia apparently doesn't think so.

Correct. The education system pushes collectivism.

 

[CosmicMind]

You see, someone with a capitalistic mind would ask: How can we fix this problem, is there another way of doing things.

Here capitalism would actually save us. New solutions would come in to fix the education bubble. Prices would drop because innovation steps in.

"Learn how to code for only $9.99 a month with tons of 5 star reviews and reccomendations!" type of businesses would pop up. Instead of spending $100k to learn outdated stuff in college.

So here capitalism and free markets is actually inhibited because of government, accreditation, endowments, education bubbles etc.

So I don't know what people are blaming cause whatever it is, it can't be capitalism.

We would be way more ahead of all this BS if we were in a free market.
Just something to think about.

 

[Invictus]

The swing is happening towards more middle class youth working towards skilled trade professions. Electricians, plumbers, carpenters, welders, HVAC etc

I believe it's a great fit for a large portion of kids who were preached "go to college!" for their entire lives. Many types of trade positions are secure, pay a decent wage, and have room for growth. Especially considering if a fast lane minded person gets into a skilled trade position, then creates a large successful business from it.

I think this swing is going to get more intense as more 'liberal arts' get run down.

Now, not to say anyone was forced into anything, but they lived a Scripted existence that said, "Go to college! It will give you a good job. You don't want to be a garbage man / plumber / whatever". And every person that they were told to trust (Parents, counselors, teachers, etc) said that it didn't matter what they majored in, all that mattered was the degree. I mean, is it a surprise that they fell for it?

But now, they see that the degree is worthless. So they've begun to disregard the lessons they were told. "Oh, you're saying I shouldn't be a butcher/plumber/whatever? Well, you also said $50,000 of debt would be worth it for 'any' degree. So, I'm going to go apply now."

The Script can only screw you over so much.

 

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[Longinus]

LOL yea because russian have genetic antifreeze while the nazis suffered from retardation, and were defeated by pure manpower of naked russian superfreaks, with no weapons or tanks or planes or artillery or war strategy and tactics...

are u serious?

German forces were never prepared for a winter war, because they thought conquering Russia would be a piece of cake.

However, just like Napoleon, the Russians used scorched earth strategy and the (very long) supply lines were cut by partisans. This all slowed down the German Blitzkrieg in the East, which resulted in a German army with Summer clothes in a Russian Winter.

The Russians on the other hand were barely prepared for battle. Men were sent on the battlefield without a gun because they simply didn't have enough. Says enough about their "strong economy". Their only advantage was that they were familiar with their Winter and their huge population.

 

[luniac]

German forces were never prepared for a winter war, because they thought conquering Russia would be a piece of cake.

However, just like Napoleon, the Russians used scorched earth strategy and the (very long) supply lines were cut by partisans. This all slowed down the German Blitzkrieg in the East, which resulted in a German army with Summer clothes in a Russian Winter.

The Russians on the other hand were barely prepared for battle. Men were sent on the battlefield without a gun because they simply didn't have enough. Says enough about their "strong economy". Their only advantage was that they were familiar with their Winter and their huge population.

Men were sent on the battlefield without a gun because they simply didn't have enough.

prove this, how many men, what years of the war? where?

The russians must have body slammed the nazis to death, tanks included.

 

[Longinus]

Men were sent on the battlefield without a gun because they simply didn't have enough.

prove this, how many men, what years of the war? where?

The russians must have body slammed the nazis to death, tanks included.

Go read a book about Operation Barbarossa instead of talking shit on a forum and asking proof to anyone who proves you wrong.

 

[luniac]

Go read a book about Operation Barbarossa instead of talking shit on a forum and asking proof to anyone who proves you wrong.

i didn't talk shit, u talked shit. I aint claiming nothing, i'm demanding evidence.

 

[Contrarian]

Related:



Funny, I thought productive people having their savings continually taxed and inflated away from them before they have any chance to accumulate was damaging their health. I also thought that back when real capitalism actually existed, ordinary working people managed to escape the SCRIPT on a regular basis without having to be entrepreneurs.

I must be the crazy one.

 

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[Scot]

Well... this got interesting.

@luniac please buy literally any WWII history book.

And let’s just end this pissing match. Not really the point of this thread.

 

[luniac]

Well... this got interesting.

@luniac please buy literally any WWII history book.

And let’s just end this pissing match. Not really the point of this thread.

yea no problem, agreed.
Although any hack can write a WWII history book, author bias needs to be accounted for, and sources vetted.

 

[The-J]

The problem isn't capitalism or entitlement.

It's the fact that people are taking positions like these in the first place.

Nobody would have the gall to post a posting like that if they didn't think they could get applicants.

As far as capitalism goes, it does not promise an equal distribution of wealth. Nor should it. Capitalism is the most honest form of economy there is. Communism is just one giant lie, told to the people to keep them in line. Lenin and Stalin ate caviar with Molotov while their subjects died.

No, there's a bigger force at play here than capitalism, and MJ hit it right on the head. It's the same lie that the communists told. "Do this and you'll have safe, secure employment!" The worst part about the lie is that it actually applies to a lot of people. Probably even the majority. But the minority is too big to ignore. That majority that DID get safe, secure employment... well it's not really all that safe or secure, it's just employment.

College became a must in the US because back in the 70s, politicians saw the death of American manufacturing and wanted to move to a more skilled and professional based economy. Skilled workers who filled specific niches, rather than workers that can be trained to work an assembly line. Tech, finance, and research. That's what the US saw as the future. It came true, but there's still the vast majority who don't work in those fields. College ain't do shit for them.

Capitalism is great because it tells the truth. It's honest. The free market is based on the FACT that people are buying things at x price and selling other things at y price. It's people that lie. Politicians, parents, teachers. Capitalism does nothing but reflect what's real.

 

[G-Man]

Capitalism is great because it tells the truth. It's honest. The free market is based on the FACT that people are buying things at x price and selling other things at y price. It's people that lie. Politicians, parents, teachers. Capitalism does nothing but reflect what's real.

"Bullshit, kid. Your time is worth whatever someone else is willing to pay for it" - My grandpa, renowned economic philosopher, in between bites of a golf course hot dog

 

[biophase]

Don't dog walkers in Southern Cali make $75k/year?
(I keed, I keed)

I bet dog walkers can make $75k/yr. i think James Altucher laid out an entire biz plan on his podcast.

Basically walk dogs for $20-$30 a pop. Add poop cleaning services, offer to take to the vet and groomer. Offer to buy food and toys. Build customer list. Add dog sitting. Make $75k/yr

 

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[CycleGuy]

I bet dog walkers can make $75k/yr. i think James Altucher laid out an entire biz plan on his podcast.

Basically walk dogs for $20-$30 a pop. Add poop cleaning services, offer to take to the vet and groomer. Offer to buy food and toys. Build customer list. Add dog sitting. Make $75k/yr

I think it falls under the "brick layer" issue many discuss on this forum. You can be a dynamite dog walker but it's difficult(not impossible though) to turn it into a fastlane business. The element of scaling is very tough in that type of business. The barrier to entry is low, which creates tons of competition.

TBH I said the 75k/yr dog walker as a joke in reference to SoCal's high cost of living driving up the prices of basic services.

 

[biophase]

I think it falls under the "brick layer" issue many discuss on this forum. You can be a dynamite dog walker but it's difficult(not impossible though) to turn it into a fastlane business. The element of scaling is very tough in that type of business. The barrier to entry is low, which creates tons of competition.

TBH I said the 75k/yr dog walker as a joke in reference to SoCal's high cost of living driving up the prices of basic services.

The thing about dog walking or dog sitting is that it is a very customer loyal business. Once i find a good dog sitter or walker, there’s no reason to change, even if price moves up a little. Once the trust is built it is very easy to upsell little tasks like poo cleaning and monthly dog shopping.

$75k is only $1500 a week. This is how I’d structure it.

10 clients
5 walks a week, $125
1 backyard poop clean $25/week
$1500/wk
10 hours a day $75k/yr

Adjust based on work load. Add extras.

Offer a 3x a week for $95
Dogsitting when out of town. 2x visits a day for $50, feed, water, include 1 walk.
Take to groomer or vet $20-$40