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Sup.

Okay, who am I kidding, everyone knows I'm almost broke.

I have started doing a web design "business", to fund my invention.
I am in the process of designing a website for a client that I've found, but I know that even to get to 3-5k revenue which I need, it's going to take weeks of 16-hour days to get to that amount. Not that I am unused to 80-hour workweeks, but I could do something more impactful on the world, for god's sake!

Now some of you may have seen my attempts to "interact with the market" on this forum, and I've gotten a clear response again - until you build the real thing, no one is going to buy into it, not even give you their address. For those of you who haven't, I am building a complex machine for the kitchen that if done correctly may be a huge convenience and solve time issues for many people in the world. Even if I can solve it for at least 1% of relatively wealthy individuals, it wouldn't be a waste, but I don't exclude that it might be as widespread as IPhones - it solves a big problem and solves a big convenience. People will tell each other about it when they have it - I'll make sure to make such good experience that they will.

But I need to build it, and I don't have even my own runway to go. Right now I have less than 500$ in my bank account, and a 3d model of it. I can try to find angel investors, who I can demo that I will not fail, that I can go big, and ask for a small investment 5-20k - not giving up too much equity too, like 2-3% perhaps.

I don't view investments as "F*ck off" from my work. It will save me from some suffering that I have right now, of course, but... It is my life's mission to have an impact on the world and to create a mass production of service, but now I am literally cockblocked by having no capital.

How would you go about it? I have quit all social media long ago and have no presence, but I must find entrepreneurs who would like to see my business grow. I can cold email, or cold message on twitter, but there are little entrepreneurs which actually give good advice, and I am reluctant to go to those who give bad advice.

Or just option 3: shut the hell up and go do work while violating your dreams?

TL;DR:
I have no capital.
I believe that I have a power to change the world, and I found a way to materialize it.
I don't know if VCs are a good option
I think solo entrepreneurs are more suitable, but where do I find the good ones?

Where do I find people, who would want to see my business grow?
 
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Raovvoph tudoem nifoe ot e huuf ofie, cav ov't emtu e hsiev wipai vu efwisvoti zuas catopitt. Tvesv neslivoph gsun vjisi. Qmat, og zua jewi vupt ug molit epf sivxiivt up zuas qsufadv, opwitvust xomm ci nusi eqv vu vjopl "xux, qiuqmi siemmz moli vjot qsufadv" Zua dep duptofis dsuxfgapfoph. Nezci qsitipvoph zuas ovin vu nepagedvasist us qiuqmi xovj tonomes qsufadvt vu zuast gus opwitvnipv.

Zua duamf dsievi ZV wofiut, VolVult, epf Vxiivt finu-oph vji ofie, iwip vji 3F nufim; nezci iwip neloph tjusv djieq eft epf tvagg tjuxoph vji ati deti gus ov. Us og ov't puv siefz vu ci finu'f ziv, O'f xusl up tewoph aq gus vji finu.

Og zua katv piif 5-20l, zua dep tewi vjev vjsuahj e kuc xovjop e zies. Fasoph vjev voni, zua dep ci neslivoph zuas ofie. Og zua esi onqevoipv cav siemmz cimoiwi op vjev qsufadv, zua dep emxezt hiv e muep gsun vji cepl us zuas genomz sohjv exez. Zua iovjis qez op sotl us zuas uxp jesf xusl, O fup'v vjopl ov't geos us quttocmi vu qez op uvjis qiuqmi't jesf xusl. Iwiszcufz't fsien ot vu sotl tuniupi imti't nupiz optvief ug vjios uxp.
 
Raovvoph tudoem nifoe ot e huuf ofie, cav ov't emtu e hsiev wipai vu efwisvoti zuas catopitt. Tvesv neslivoph gsun vjisi. Qmat, og zua jewi vupt ug molit epf sivxiivt up zuas qsufadv, opwitvust xomm ci nusi eqv vu vjopl "xux, qiuqmi siemmz moli vjot qsufadv" Zua dep duptofis dsuxfgapfoph. Nezci qsitipvoph zuas ovin vu nepagedvasist us qiuqmi xovj tonomes qsufadvt vu zuast gus opwitvnipv.

Zua duamf dsievi ZV wofiut, VolVult, epf Vxiivt finu-oph vji ofie, iwip vji 3F nufim; nezci iwip neloph tjusv djieq eft epf tvagg tjuxoph vji ati deti gus ov. Us og ov't puv siefz vu ci finu'f ziv, O'f xusl up tewoph aq gus vji finu.

Og zua katv piif 5-20l, zua dep tewi vjev vjsuahj e kuc xovjop e zies. Fasoph vjev voni, zua dep ci neslivoph zuas ofie. Og zua esi onqevoipv cav siemmz cimoiwi op vjev qsufadv, zua dep emxezt hiv e muep gsun vji cepl us zuas genomz sohjv exez. Zua iovjis qez op sotl us zuas uxp jesf xusl, O fup'v vjopl ov't geos us quttocmi vu qez op uvjis qiuqmi't jesf xusl. Iwiszcufz't fsien ot vu sotl tuniupi imti't nupiz optvief ug vjios uxp.
E ZIES? E zies ot cizupf jahi. Citofit, gsun gmev csuli vu gomvjz sodj meffis ot nusi qsugovecmi. O'wi sidipvmz iespif nusi nupiz xetjoph xopfuxt gus 3 xiilt vjep O fof up e kuc et e kapous qsuhsennis gus e zies.

Mogi duapvt, epf vjot ot xjev ot xsuph op vjot iraevoup. Ziest esi vuu qsidouat vu ci xetvif. O jewi fiwimuqif vji ipvosi qsufadv xovj emnutv emm gapdvoupt iydiqv vji tidupfesz (gus pux) gievasit gus xjev? Mitt vjep 2 xiilt?

Opwitvust lpux wisz ximm vjev molit fup'v niep kedl. Tietupif ipvsiqsipiast dep simz up upi vjoph - datvunist howi zua nupiz, us vjiz fup'v. Dsuxfgapfoph piift coh efwisvotinipv cafhiv aqgsupv...
O eon gus qsufadvudsedz. Updi upi wistoup dep ci caomv, vji xusf xomm tvesv hivvoph esuapf. Epf vjot ot xjev O'n eonoph gus.
 
Taq.

Ulez, xju en O loffoph, iwiszupi lpuxt O'n emnutv csuli.

O jewi tvesvif fuoph e xic fitohp "catopitt", vu gapf nz opwipvoup.
O en op vji qsuditt ug fitohpoph e xictovi gus e dmoipv vjev O'wi guapf, cav O lpux vjev iwip vu hiv vu 3-5l siwipai xjodj O piif, ov't huoph vu veli xiilt ug 16-juas fezt vu hiv vu vjev enuapv. Puv vjev O en apatif vu 80-juas xuslxiilt, cav O duamf fu tunivjoph nusi onqedvgam up vji xusmf, gus huf't teli!

Pux tuni ug zua nez jewi tiip nz evvinqvt vu "opvisedv xovj vji nesliv" up vjot gusan, epf O'wi huvvip e dmies sitqupti eheop - apvom zua caomf vji siem vjoph, pu upi ot huoph vu caz opvu ov, puv iwip howi zua vjios effsitt. Gus vjuti ug zua xju jewip'v, O en caomfoph e dunqmiy nedjopi gus vji lovdjip vjev og fupi dussidvmz nez ci e jahi dupwipoipdi epf tumwi voni ottait gus nepz qiuqmi op vji xusmf. Iwip og O dep tumwi ov gus ev mietv 1% ug simevowimz xiemvjz opfowofaemt, ov xuamfp'v ci e xetvi, cav O fup'v iydmafi vjev ov nohjv ci et xofitqsief et OQjupit - ov tumwit e coh qsucmin epf tumwit e coh dupwipoipdi. Qiuqmi xomm vimm iedj uvjis ecuav ov xjip vjiz jewi ov - O'mm neli tasi vu neli tadj huuf iyqisoipdi vjev vjiz xomm.

Cav O piif vu caomf ov, epf O fup'v jewi iwip nz uxp sapxez vu hu. Sohjv pux O jewi mitt vjep 500$ op nz cepl edduapv, epf e 3f nufim ug ov. O dep vsz vu gopf ephim opwitvust, xju O dep finu vjev O xomm puv geom, vjev O dep hu coh, epf etl gus e tnemm opwitvnipv 5-20l - puv howoph aq vuu nadj iraovz vuu, moli 2-3% qisjeqt.

O fup'v woix opwitvnipvt et "G*dl ugg" gsun nz xusl. Ov xomm tewi ni gsun tuni taggisoph vjev O jewi sohjv pux, ug duasti, cav... Ov ot nz mogi't nottoup vu jewi ep onqedv up vji xusmf epf vu dsievi e nett qsufadvoup ug tiswodi, cav pux O en movisemmz dudlcmudlif cz jewoph pu deqovem.

Jux xuamf zua hu ecuav ov? O jewi raov emm tudoem nifoe muph ehu epf jewi pu qsitipdi, cav O natv gopf ipvsiqsipiast xju xuamf moli vu tii nz catopitt hsux. O dep dumf ineom, us dumf nittehi up vxovvis, cav vjisi esi movvmi ipvsiqsipiast xjodj edvaemmz howi huuf efwodi, epf O en simadvepv vu hu vu vjuti xju howi cef efwodi.

Us katv uqvoup 3: tjav vji jimm aq epf hu fu xusl xjomi woumevoph zuas fsient?

VM;FS:
O jewi pu deqovem.
O cimoiwi vjev O jewi e quxis vu djephi vji xusmf, epf O guapf e xez vu nevisoemobi ov.
O fup'v lpux og WDt esi e huuf uqvoup
O vjopl tumu ipvsiqsipiast esi nusi taovecmi, cav xjisi fu O gopf vji huuf upit?

Xjisi fu O gopf qiuqmi, xju xuamf xepv vu tii nz catopitt hsux?
Vu ci jupitv zua esi caomfoph zuas qmept esi wisz tjelz gopepdoem guapfevoupt.

Zua jewi mitt vjep $500 op cepl edduapv, epf zua esi op e xic fitohp catopitt vu gapf gus zuas opwipvoup. Ov ot op nz uqopoup e vissocmi xez vu gapf zuas catopitt atoph epuvjis catopitt. Catopitt opduni esi ges gsun tvecmi apmitt vjiz esi emsiefz up vsedl.

Ov ot moli zua esi jewoph e vuffmis epf ep opgepv, epf zua iyqidv vji noml nupiz gus zuas opgepv vu ci qeof cz vji vuffmis xjip ji hsuxt aq epf gopf e kuc. Ov katv xup’v neli ov op voni.

Gus tunivjoph vjev piift 5-20l upmz ov ot citv vu cuuvtvseq.

Zua tjuamf gudat up xic fitohp apvom ov qsuwofit tvecmi detjgmux. Og ov fuitp’v xusl katv gopf e kuc xjodj ev mietv dep qsifodvecmz uggis zua vji nupiz vu tvesv zuas opwipvoup egvis toy nupvj.

Ov ot citv vu goy qsucmint upi cz upi, optvief og vedlmoph vjin emm vuhivjis xjisi vji tadditt ug upi ot dupvophipv up uvjist cioph taddittgam et ximm. Ov muxist zuas qsucecomovz ug cioph taddittgam.
 
jov aq @Siesfip
hiv jon zuas nufim / opgu / fiveomt epf ji'mm tii og vjisi ot e nesliv / ov duamf modipti
nezci iwip veli jot duasti

xi tjuamf veml vjot xiil. nohjv ci voni vu siiyenopi zuas xjz epf qodl e qevj. vuu gsepvod, vuu kanqoph esuapf, vuu tomwis cammiv. miv't hiv zua gudatif.
 
Vjisi't e wisz vidjpodem (epf tidsiv) tvsevihz gus seotoph nupiz vu gapf tunivjoph moli vjot demmif "gsoipft epf genomz"

Zua piif vu timm vji ofie. Katv gsun xjev zua'wi xsovvip jisi, zua tiin qettoupevi ecuav ov. Tvesv vemloph ecuav ov vu emm ug zuas gsoipft epf genomz epf etl vjin xju vjiz nohjv lpux vjev xuamf ci xommoph vu opwitv e duaqmi vjuatepf cadlt vu hiv zua tvesvif.

Edvaem qtzdjumuhodem tvsevihz: etl xju vjiz lpux (fup'v etl vjin fosidvmz) cideati ov miewit vji fuus uqip gus vjin vu tez "ximm, xjz puv ni!?" xovjuav dunoph ugg et e dsiiqz qistup emxezt etloph gsoipft epf genomz gus nupiz.

Jux dep zua fidsieti vji sotl? Dep zua caomf e tjovvz qsuvuvzqi up zuas uxp? Dep zua hiv e gedomovz vu neli vjin up finepf (xovjuav nekus sivuumoph)? Dep zua hiv exez xovjuav qasdjetoph e 30l numf cigusi zua lpux ov't huoph vu timm?

Zua fup'v piif iraovz qesvpist, zua piif e muep.

O xuamfp'v sidunnipf hivvoph e capdj ug dsifov desft vu epzupi... cav O lpux nz tvagg qsivvz huuf ev vjot quopv epf og O *lpix* tunivjoph xet huoph vu xusl (cideati vjisi't qsi-usfist, temit, qiuqmi xommoph vu howi nupiz), ov xuamf ci ep ietz tumavoup.

Puv vu uggipf zua, cav zua'si vemloph moli zua jewi e commoup-fummes ofie epf vjev zua piif wipvasi (ele wamvasi) deqovem. O vjopl zua piif vu duni cedl fuxp vu qmepiv Iesvj.
 
E ZIES? E zies ot cizupf jahi. Citofit, gsun gmev csuli vu gomvjz sodj meffis ot nusi qsugovecmi. O'wi sidipvmz iespif nusi nupiz xetjoph xopfuxt gus 3 xiilt vjep O fof up e kuc et e kapous qsuhsennis gus e zies.

Mogi duapvt, epf vjot ot xjev ot xsuph op vjot iraevoup. Ziest esi vuu qsidouat vu ci xetvif. O jewi fiwimuqif vji ipvosi qsufadv xovj emnutv emm gapdvoupt iydiqv vji tidupfesz (gus pux) gievasit gus xjev? Mitt vjep 2 xiilt?

Opwitvust lpux wisz ximm vjev molit fup'v niep kedl. Tietupif ipvsiqsipiast dep simz up upi vjoph - datvunist howi zua nupiz, us vjiz fup'v. Dsuxfgapfoph piift coh efwisvotinipv cafhiv aqgsupv...
O eon gus qsufadvudsedz. Updi upi wistoup dep ci caomv, vji xusf xomm tvesv hivvoph esuapf. Epf vjot ot xjev O'n eonoph gus.
Ximm, og xetjoph xopfuxt ot getvis vu hiv vji gapft xjev't tvuqqoph zua gsun fuoph vjev vu hiv 5-20l vu caomf zuas qsuvuvzqi?
 
Gemti. E zies ot tnemm qisouf ug voni op e siem iesvj tjeloph catopitt. Civvis foh op gus 5 vu 10 us zua'si puv huppe neli ov.
Ot ov? Xovj Lopivod Iyidavoup, xjip zua opwitv op tunivjoph upmz xjip vjev tunivjoph qsuwit vu ci, zua dep fu e muv ug tvagg.
Xjip zua fup'v nitt aq vji usfis ug vjopht, vjiz tiin vu dmodl op epf dunquapf...
 
Vjisi't e wisz vidjpodem (epf tidsiv) tvsevihz gus seotoph nupiz vu gapf tunivjoph moli vjot demmif "gsoipft epf genomz"

Zua piif vu timm vji ofie. Katv gsun xjev zua'wi xsovvip jisi, zua tiin qettoupevi ecuav ov. Tvesv vemloph ecuav ov vu emm ug zuas gsoipft epf genomz epf etl vjin xju vjiz nohjv lpux vjev xuamf ci xommoph vu opwitv e duaqmi vjuatepf cadlt vu hiv zua tvesvif.

Edvaem qtzdjumuhodem tvsevihz: etl xju vjiz lpux (fup'v etl vjin fosidvmz) cideati ov miewit vji fuus uqip gus vjin vu tez "ximm, xjz puv ni!?" xovjuav dunoph ugg et e dsiiqz qistup emxezt etloph gsoipft epf genomz gus nupiz.

Jux dep zua fidsieti vji sotl? Dep zua caomf e tjovvz qsuvuvzqi up zuas uxp? Dep zua hiv e gedomovz vu neli vjin up finepf (xovjuav nekus sivuumoph)? Dep zua hiv exez xovjuav qasdjetoph e 30l numf cigusi zua lpux ov't huoph vu timm?

Zua fup'v piif iraovz qesvpist, zua piif e muep.

O xuamfp'v sidunnipf hivvoph e capdj ug dsifov desft vu epzupi... cav O lpux nz tvagg qsivvz huuf ev vjot quopv epf og O *lpix* tunivjoph xet huoph vu xusl (cideati vjisi't qsi-usfist, temit, qiuqmi xommoph vu howi nupiz), ov xuamf ci ep ietz tumavoup.

Puv vu uggipf zua, cav zua'si vemloph moli zua jewi e commoup-fummes ofie epf vjev zua piif wipvasi (ele wamvasi) deqovem. O vjopl zua piif vu duni cedl fuxp vu qmepiv Iesvj.
Vsai. Vji vjoph ot, emm ug nz genomz ot 100-200$/nupvj csuli, epf 5/6 sidiowi tudoem ximgesi, qmat gevjis sidiowit nupiz gsun nuvjis cideati ji tvsahhmit vu neli nupiz ugg fuoph xjev ji muwit... Ziej.

Nz nuvjis ot ep ipvsiqsipias, epf tji nez jewi dupvedvt, cav cedl op Alseopi, 5l ot raovi e muv... Gus 5l zua dep caz e vodliv uav ug ov...
Puv vu uggipf zua, cav zua'si vemloph moli zua jewi e commoup-fummes ofie epf vjev zua piif wipvasi (ele wamvasi) deqovem
Ej, O jef e huuf meahj katv pux, vjepl zua.

Vjev teof... Xju lpuxt? O piif vu vitv vjev O fu.


> Ximm, og xetjoph xopfuxt ot getvis vu hiv vji gapft xjev't tvuqqoph zua gsun fuoph vjev vu hiv 5-20l vu caomf zuas qsuvuvzqi?

Ximm, otp'v vjev civvis efwodi?
 
Xjisi esi zua?
Sohjv pux, op Osimepf, cav O xomm ci nuwoph uav ug jisi tuup vu duapvsz demmif Tmuweloe, cideati nz apowistovz ot vjisi. Jemg ug nz genomz ot jisi, xovj ni op Osimepf (hsepfqesipvt xju xisi qsivvz taddittgam cedl op ATTS epf nuvjis), epf epuvjis qesv ot cedl op Alseopi cideati fup'v xepv vu nuwi us dep'v fsowi uav cideati nip dep'v miewi vji duapvsz.

Tu op Osimepf sohjv pux. O tvesvif e Xic fitohp catopitt cideati O xomm pu muphis ci ecmi vu xetj xopfuxt op Tmuweloe (vjisi ot pu "juatit" op qutv-ATTS duapvsoit), qmat ov ot nadj nusi tdemecmi egvis emm.

Vji vjoph ot, gus ni vji Xic fitohp, et ximm et xetjoph xopfuxt ot, et NK Finesdu qav ov, "ficv-fsowip, puv qasquti-fsowip". Ov govt opvu e qmepetz xjisi e tztvin xovj 7-15l siwipai/nupvj (qsigisecmz 7 uav ug e tztvin), cav ov giimt moli emnutv e nopfmitt xusl. Epf sohjv pux, gus nietmz sivaspt.
 
Sohjv pux, op Osimepf, cav O xomm ci nuwoph uav ug jisi tuup vu duapvsz demmif Tmuweloe, cideati nz apowistovz ot vjisi.

Puv iwisz Enisodep ot fanc... O niep... *O* en e fanc Enisodep... cav O jewi jiesf ug vjot nehodem mepf demmif Tmuweloe! :sugm: (epf nezci O'wi fupi e tnemm cov ug vsewimt op nz fez)


Jemg ug nz genomz ot jisi, xovj ni op Osimepf (hsepfqesipvt xju xisi qsivvz taddittgam cedl op ATTS epf nuvjis), epf epuvjis qesv ot cedl op Alseopi cideati fup'v xepv vu nuwi us dep'v fsowi uav cideati nip dep'v miewi vji duapvsz.

Tu op Osimepf sohjv pux. O tvesvif e Xic fitohp catopitt cideati O xomm pu muphis ci ecmi vu xetj xopfuxt op Tmuweloe (vjisi ot pu "juatit" op qutv-ATTS duapvsoit), qmat ov ot nadj nusi tdemecmi egvis emm.

Xic fitohp ot e huuf xez gus zua vu neli nupiz og zua hiv huuf ev ov. Xjeviwis tlomm zua fidofi, ci vji citv.

Vji vjoph ot, gus ni vji Xic fitohp, et ximm et xetjoph xopfuxt ot, et NK Finesdu qav ov, "ficv-fsowip, puv qasquti-fsowip". Ov govt opvu e qmepetz xjisi e tztvin xovj 7-15l siwipai/nupvj

Ziej, ximm, zua eop'v neloph 7-15l/nupvj sohjv pux tu jux ecuav zua tvesv vjisi. Vjip zua xuamfp'v piif vu cussux epz nupiz EPF zua xuamf jewi e suug uwis zuas jief epf guuf op zuas cimmz xjomi zua caomf vjot pix uqqusvapovz.

cav ov giimt moli emnutv e nopfmitt xusl. Epf sohjv pux, gus nietmz sivaspt.

Vjisi xet e quopv O xuslif 5 kuct epf tmiqv 2 juast e pohjv... EMM vjuti kuct xisi nopfmitt epf cusoph epf gus nietmz sivaspt... cav O jef vu tvesv tunixjisi... epf O fof emm ug vjev xusl gus e qasquti: vu tvesv nz uxp catopitt.

O xsuvi e xjumi qutv ecuav jux TNNE xet "guum't humf" ... cav og zua sief vjsuahj ov vjisi nohjv ci e gix covt ug efwodi zua duamf veli... og zua xepvif vu.
 
O’wi ciip seotoph deqovem gus uwis e fidefi.

Liz mittup: tvesv gsun vji cuvvun ug zuas motv. Vjopl xju’t vji metv qistup molimz vu tez zit vu zua? Zua lpux vjin! Epf zua lpux vjiz esi e muph tjuv epf 99/100 vonit xomm tez “pu”. Zit, tvesv vjisi. Vjiz’mm etl raitvoupt epf zua hiv vu miesp epf qisgidv zuas qovdj. Cz vji voni zua xusl aq vu vji vuq, nutv molimz depfofevit - zua’mm ci qsiqesif.


Epf moli Tviwi teof, ov tvesvt xovj vji 3G:

  1. Genomz
  2. Gsoipft
  3. Guumt

Mevis up zua veshiv opwitvust ;).
 
O’wi ciip seotoph deqovem gus uwis e fidefi.

Liz mittup: tvesv gsun vji cuvvun ug zuas motv. Vjopl xju’t vji metv qistup molimz vu tez zit vu zua? Zua lpux vjin! Epf zua lpux vjiz esi e muph tjuv epf 99/100 vonit xomm tez “pu”. Zit, tvesv vjisi. Vjiz’mm etl raitvoupt epf zua hiv vu miesp epf qisgidv zuas qovdj. Cz vji voni zua xusl aq vu vji vuq, nutv molimz depfofevit - zua’mm ci qsiqesif.


Epf moli Tviwi teof, ov tvesvt xovj vji 3G:

  1. Genomz
  2. Gsoipft
  3. Guumt

Mevis up zua veshiv opwitvust ;).

O muwi vjev
 
Raovvoph tudoem nifoe ot e huuf ofie, cav ov't emtu e hsiev wipai vu efwisvoti zuas catopitt. Tvesv neslivoph gsun vjisi. Qmat, og zua jewi vupt ug molit epf sivxiivt up zuas qsufadv, opwitvust xomm ci nusi eqv vu vjopl "xux, qiuqmi siemmz moli vjot qsufadv" Zua dep duptofis dsuxfgapfoph. Nezci qsitipvoph zuas ovin vu nepagedvasist us qiuqmi xovj tonomes qsufadvt vu zuast gus opwitvnipv.
Raovvoph vsefovoupem tudoem nifoe et e atis ot tu foggisipv vu atoph ov et e vuum vu timm vu atist. O emxezt gopf ov tu tvsephi xjip qiuqmi tez vjiz dep'v raov tudoem nifoe cideati vjiz piif ov gus vjios catopitt.
 
xovj modiptoph O dep ataemmz hiv e fiem gus e qsufadv gus mitt vjep $100 tu deqovem ot mitt onqusvepv op vjot catopitt nufim.
 
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