How to Learn Code, Start a Web Company, $15k+ per month within 9 months

SunnyDftw · Sep 19, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 33771" data-quote="Fox" data-source="post: 562709" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562709" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562709">Fox said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Lots of factors but is it getting results, the design and a clear "path" with strong Call-to-Action(s)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have a Canadian company. I bill through that just like any other company. I also have a great accountant. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Would you say it's necessary to start a business, or just do this as a freelance guy? What's the difference? <br /> <br /> I know you're a busy guy and I appreciate you taking the time to answer questions after already providing so much free info. I've been learning code for a few months now(html/css/JS/C...) but wasn't sure what direction I wanted to go in. Had a few app ideas, few web site ideas, maybe once I got enough experience hoped to join a start up company as a web dev, etc but it was all still up in the air. <br /> <br /> This thread inspired me, and I'll be keeping the you posted on my progress.</div>

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Thiago Machado · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper">Just wanted to share some minor success I've been having after reading this thread.<br /> <br /> A good friend of mine is one of the most sought after personal trainers in my city and is looking to venture into online fitness coaching. I noticed his facebook page and instagram profile were looking pretty amateurish and he still didn't build a website. He has a great reputation where I live, but no online presence. So I offered to fix his social media pages for free. I made him some custom graphics, facebook timeline cover, etc.<br /> <br /> Now, must I remind you, I did this as genuinely as possible. Not once did I expect to receive anything in return (he's a real friend).<br /> <br /> <b>I went above and beyond, over-delivered, and low-and-behold: he was <u>BLOWN AWAY!</u><br /> </b><br /> Immediately, his new online presence caught people's attention. He said that everyone was complimenting him on the work that was done. They asked him "what agency are you using?"<br /> <br /> Now, this is a guy who train's very wealthy people.<br /> Luckily, 2 of his clients approached him and asked who did it.<br /> <br /> <b><u>I now have 2 hot leads from a dentist and heart surgeon (and my friend wants to put me on a monthly retainer to manage his marketing.)</u></b><br /> <br /> So I learned through first-hand experience:<br /> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Good things come to those who act.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Be empathetic.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Show genuine interest and that you care about the person.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Provide massive value.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">And deliver solid results.</li> </ul>By doing these simple things, you shouldn't worry so much about cold-calling or figuring out where the next job is coming from.<br /> <br /> Thanks <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/33771/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="33771" data-username="@Fox">@Fox</a></div>

Fox · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper">Excellent work, great to hear that. If you get those 2 jobs and do the same expect to get 4 more leads.</div>

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Andy Black · Sep 20, 2016

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Thiago Machado · Sep 20, 2016

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goodguude · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper">Hey!<br /> <br /> What do you think of the following tactic to approach new customers (in my case lawyers):<br /> <br /> 1) Build a first website for them without them knowing (not indexed by google of course)<br /> 2) Email them with a link to this website and saying that this could be theirs<br /> 3) Call them to speak with them in person about the website sent in the email.<br /> <br /> To "unprofessional" for this kind of clients? Or worth a try?</div>

vshetty.vs · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 40465" data-quote="goodguude" data-source="post: 562882" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562882" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562882">goodguude said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hey!<br /> <br /> What do you think of the following tactic to approach new customers (in my case lawyers):<br /> <br /> 1) Build a first website for them without them knowing (not indexed by google of course)<br /> 2) Email them with a link to this website and saying that this could be theirs<br /> 3) Call them to speak with them in person about the website sent in the email.<br /> <br /> To "unprofessional" for this kind of clients? Or worth a try? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> What if they don't want it. Isn't that effort down the drain.<br /> <br /> Anyway try it first</div>

goodguude · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 26056" data-quote="vshetty.vs" data-source="post: 562885" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562885" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562885">vshetty.vs said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What if they don't want it. Isn't that effort down the drain.<br /> <br /> Anyway try it first </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> That's the risk. But one could use a mockup - website (with edited names, addresses, etc of course) for more than one potential client and if they accept the deal, I could further customize it.<br /> <br /> But I have the feeling, that potential clients tend to be more interaction - friendly if I already provide something tangible when approaching them.</div>

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Thiago Machado · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper">Do you have a friend that's a lawyer <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/40465/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="40465" data-username="@goodguude">@goodguude</a> ?</div>

goodguude · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23591" data-quote="Thiago Machado" data-source="post: 562894" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562894" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562894">Thiago Machado said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Do you have a friend that's a lawyer <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/40465/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="40465" data-username="@goodguude">@goodguude</a> ? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Unfortunately not. Since I just turned 20, most of my friends are students.<br /> But maybe I have some connections to some lawyers through one of my current clients.</div>

Fox · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper">I've been meaning to try a technique where you build just the front page (1-3hrs work) and then pitch using that. After today I'm officially looking for work but I do have some decent leads. I'll update how things go.</div>

Thiago Machado · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 40465" data-quote="goodguude" data-source="post: 562897" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562897" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562897">goodguude said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Unfortunately not. Since I just turned 20, most of my friends are students.<br /> But maybe I have some connections to some lawyers through one of my current clients. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Try to get someone's approval first.<br /> <br /> What I did was point out a problem my friend was having and offered to solve it. <br /> <br /> The last thing you want is to design something that no-one wants to buy.<br /> <br /> Ask friends, relatives, etc if they know any lawyers. If they do, ask for their contact info, call them, and offer to design them a website for free (if their on the fence, you can also say that if they don't like it, that they can cancel the hosting subscription within 30 days, so there won't be any money spent on their part. It's all about creating an irresistible offer.)<br /> <br /> If you absolutely have no connections whatsoever, just google "lawyers in ______" and check the one's with no website. Call them up and offer to do one.<br /> <br /> Do a great job and ask for referrals.</div>

Andy Black · Sep 20, 2016

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swebe3qn · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 40465" data-quote="goodguude" data-source="post: 562889" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562889" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562889">goodguude said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> That's the risk. But one could use a mockup - website (with edited names, addresses, etc of course) for more than one potential client and if they accept the deal, I could further customize it.<br /> <br /> But I have the feeling, that potential clients tend to be more interaction - friendly if I already provide something tangible when approaching them. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I tried to do the sell Wordpress websites once, but I failed. This thread motivated to start a web design business again. Luckily, I already know a good amount of HTML, CSS, JS and PHP.<br /> <br /> Yesterday I talked to a guy who owns an agency since January. He suggested to build a website for my own agency and some mockup websites on subdomains instead of doing websites for free. For example personaltrainer.agencydomain.com or lawyer.agencydomain.com. I think this is a good way to build a portfolio and get started immediately, since it also takes some effort and time to find people you can do a website for free. <br /> <br /> I've also talked to a very famous personal trainer here in Austria. He wants to meet me next week. He trains a lot of celebrities and rich people and maybe I could get some leads if I build his website for free.</div>

SuperDuper · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/33771/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="33771" data-username="@Fox">@Fox</a><br /> Sorry for the question. <br /> <br /> 1) Does changing the text in someone's page affect their ranking in google if they're already high ranked? Can you alter as much text as you want without having a negative impact on the client's page?<br /> <br /> 2) Would it also make sense to learn to write copy or should that already be done by the client?<br /> <br /> 3) When you redo someone's site, how do you get to their HTML/CSS so that you could edit their site. That part confuses me.</div>

DaRK9 · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 39207" data-quote="swebe3qn" data-source="post: 562946" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562946" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562946">swebe3qn said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> since it also takes some effort and time to find people you can do a website for free. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><div class="bbMediaWrapper" data-media-site-id="youtube" data-media-key="q6RHTcDJSxs"> <div class="bbMediaWrapper-inner"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/q6RHTcDJSxs?wmode=opaque" loading="lazy" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe> </div> </div><br /> While that might work, to someone with any web experience it's obvious that you don't have an actual portfolio. <br /> <br /> I've actually used this against my competitors. People have shown me the competitions "portfolio" and I asked where the real websites were and how they were helping the business owner.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="tumblr_leb0kmYHJj1qfweiyo1_r1_500.gif" data-src="/community/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2F66.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_leb0kmYHJj1qfweiyo1_r1_500.gif&hash=31986812f64b1e7cf4081a1535ebd4bd" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2F66.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_leb0kmYHJj1qfweiyo1_r1_500.gif&hash=31986812f64b1e7cf4081a1535ebd4bd" data-url="http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leb0kmYHJj1qfweiyo1_r1_500.gif" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="tumblr_leb0kmYHJj1qfweiyo1_r1_500.gif" title="" width="" height="" loading="lazy" /> </div> <br /> <br /> <br /> If you are a SaaS company with micro-sites this is a bit different.</div>

Lex DeVille · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 39207" data-quote="swebe3qn" data-source="post: 562946" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562946" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562946">swebe3qn said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Yesterday I talked to a guy who owns an agency since January. He suggested to build a website for my own agency and some mockup websites on subdomains instead of doing websites for free. For example personaltrainer.agencydomain.com or lawyer.agencydomain.com. I think this is a good way to build a portfolio and get started immediately, since it also takes some effort and time to find people you can do a website for free. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> It's good to get started immediately, but I think this route has a high-chance of going nowhere for several reasons.<br /> <br /> 1. You start a habit of building instead of doing.<br /> <br /> 2. You don't get the same value for yourself. You don't get to experience what it's like to <i>really</i> help someone.<br /> <br /> 3. Mockups won't refer themselves. Clients who get a free website will refer you all day long if it's good.<br /> <br /> You could find someone on Google who'd gladly take a free website in about 10 minutes if you try.</div>

Fox · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 42497" data-quote="SuperDuper" data-source="post: 562947" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562947" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562947">SuperDuper said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/33771/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="33771" data-username="@Fox">@Fox</a><br /> Sorry for the question.<br /> <br /> 1) Does changing the text in someone's page affect their ranking in google if they're already high ranked? Can you alter as much text as you want without having a negative impact on the client's page?<br /> <br /> 2) Would it also make sense to learn to write copy or should that already be done by the client?<br /> <br /> 3) When you redo someone's site, how do you get to their HTML/CSS so that you could edit their site. That part confuses me. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> 1) I seriously doubt it unless its highly non relevant to the original content. I trust Google to do its own thing and reward the site for being better. I also do correct alt="#" tags for images and name the images with keywords (sometimes) and other basic but helpful SEO. I am working on my SEO skills at the moment so my newer sites will be better set up. <br /> <br /> 2) Learn Copy. The more you can do the easier to sell and the more you can charge. I rewrite nearly all content<br /> <br /> 3) Super basic question that could be researched on Youtube or by taking a Udemy course. Quick answer in their public html folder. Don't F*ck around with those if you don't know what you are doing - its not like a word document.</div>

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swebe3qn · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper">Good points, <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/23652/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="23652" data-username="@DaRK9">@DaRK9</a> and <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/13831/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="13831" data-username="@SinisterLex">@SinisterLex</a> <br /> <br /> "As I mentioned, I am also looking for business owners who need a website and I am willing to do it for free. Once I've found one I prefer the real client 1000 times over the mockups but currently I think it is better than doing nothing." <br /> <br /> That's what I wanted to write first, but YOU'RE RIGHT. I should reach out to more potential clients instead of doing mockups. Thanks!</div>

Fox · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 39207" data-quote="swebe3qn" data-source="post: 562946" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562946" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562946">swebe3qn said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Yesterday I talked to a guy who owns an agency since January. He suggested to build a website for my own agency and some mockup websites on subdomains instead of doing websites for free. For example personaltrainer.agencydomain.com or lawyer.agencydomain.com. I think this is a good way to build a portfolio and get started immediately, since it also takes some effort and time to find people you can do a website for free. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/13831/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="13831" data-username="@SinisterLex">@SinisterLex</a> already nailed it with lots of good points. <br /> <br /> In any area look at what is actually working for people and not what people suggest. Do what they do - not what they say. <br /> What I have listed here is what I believe makes the most money and has seen the most results. Its real world data, not speculation. <br /> How much is this guy making and is this what he does himself?<br /> <br /> I think it is also a bad idea on multiple levels. No real interaction, no actual experience and no real feedback. There is a lot of side tasks that go into making someone a website, you won't experience any of these doing it for yourself. I would see this like cutting your own hair a few times and then thinking you are a barber. Real people have real requirements and real problems, thats the goal here. <br /> <br /> Stick with actual companies and learn how to solve problems. A mockup website for no one doesn't solve anyones problems, including your own. <br /> <br /> Remember its not design - its solving needs and providing value.</div>

Fox · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 39207" data-quote="swebe3qn" data-source="post: 562959" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562959" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562959">swebe3qn said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Once I've found one I prefer the real client 1000 times over the mockups <b>but currently I think it is better than doing nothing.</b> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Its not, start learning how to sell (even if its free), its the biggest skill in this game. Everything else falls into place if you have sales. <br /> <br /> Also guys I suggest doing some free to start but if you can charge even a few hundred then do so. Sometimes a job is easier to get when you charge a small amount since people take you more serious and respect your time more.</div>

Fox · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper">First cold call - fail. Looks like I am a bit rusty haha. <br /> <br /> One trick to getting past the secretary - be super casual. <br /> <br /> "Hi its Fox here from Cold Call Design, is the person in charge of websites available please?" - <b>BAD</b><br /> <br /> "Hi, I want to talk to Mike, its Fox" - <b>Good</b></div>

QDF · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 33771" data-quote="Fox" data-source="post: 562962" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562962" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562962">Fox said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Its not, start learning how to sell (even if its free), its the biggest skill in this game. Everything else falls into place if you have sales.<br /> <br /> Also guys I suggest doing some free to start but if you can charge even a few hundred then do so. Sometimes a job is easier to get when you charge a small amount since people take you more serious and respect your time more. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Exactly. At first, I was advertising "no deposit" and was attracting nothing but cheap time-wasters who had no sense of urgency to move forward with the project. <br /> <br /> I cut that off fast. Get the customer even a little bit invested into the project, even if it's only $50 or $100 bucks.</div>

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Thiago Machado · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>Update:</b><br /> <br /> So my friend told me to write up what I could do for him on a monthly basis (more so on the social media side. He wants to put out content + run targeted facebook ads + etc)<br /> Sent him a proposal with samples, mockups, etc.<br /> He agreed to the monthly retainer I proposed.<br /> The deal is good for both parties.<br /> He's super happy and is refering me to many of his upscale clients.<br /> And I got a client, great portfolio piece, and am potentially in the making of a successful case study with him if all goes well.<br /> <br /> Everybody wins.<br /> <br /> Next up: appointment with the 2 leads he gave me.</div>

SunnyDftw · Sep 20, 2016

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 33771" data-quote="Fox" data-source="post: 561550" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=561550" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-561550">Fox said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Doing a bit of research today (along with 8 hours copywriting) and can across this...<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/13172/" target="_blank">View attachment 13172</a><br /> <br /> Top search on a highly competitive search term BUT the website looks like this...<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.somjen.com/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.somjen.com/</a><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/13173/" target="_blank">View attachment 13173</a><br /> <br /> Here is a company pumping money into Adwords with a website that looks like a 12 year olds school project. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>This is a good example, but these aren't common right? I run into some sites in my research that are just okay, but not great.<br /> <br /> What are you opinions on websites that have all the info, but the layout is just dull, very basic? Is it worth it to pursue or more worthwhile to find businesses that have no website at all?<br /> <br /> My own orthodontist has a website, very very basic, I was considering offering my services to him, but wasn't sure.</div>

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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 42403" data-quote="SunnyDftw" data-source="post: 562972" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=562972" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-562972">SunnyDftw said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> This is a good example, but these aren't common right? I run into some sites in my research that are just okay, but not great.<br /> <br /> What are you opinions on websites that have all the info, but the layout is just dull, very basic? Is it worth it to pursue or more worthwhile to find businesses that have no website at all?<br /> <br /> My own orthodontist has a website, very very basic, I was considering offering my services to him, but wasn't sure. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><a href="http://fvdthemes.com/html/dentalclinic/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">http://fvdthemes.com/html/dentalclinic/</a><br /> or<br /> <a href="http://dev.loonars.com/templates/dentality/src/version3/index.html" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">http://dev.loonars.com/templates/dentality/src/version3/index.html</a><br /> Ctrl+S<br /> Use Brackets or any editor and edit to put his info in.<br /> <br /> Use <a href="https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/capture-webpage-screensho/mcbpblocgmgfnpjjppndjkmgjaogfceg?hl=en" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">https://chrome.google.com/webstore/...eensho/mcbpblocgmgfnpjjppndjkmgjaogfceg?hl=en</a><br /> <br /> to screenshot the page.<br /> <br /> Print out a high quality version of the mockup and bring it in next time you go in.<br /> <br /> I've found it's easier to print out mockups when trying to get a client. Otherwise they "will look at it later" or ask you to "just send it to me"<br /> <br /> I also make a print-out of their current site.</div>

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