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izraelinspired

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Hello Great people!

I completed high school last year, but don't even know what course to study in the university.

In the country I am from, if you don't enter the university after you're done with your secondary school you are seen as a failure.

So I need your advice. I have read millionaire fastlane and it really changed my life.

I started learning how to trade the forex market while in high school, but dues to wrong informations out there I spent so long learning the wrong thing, but recently this year I came across the right material and I started re-learning again, while dumping the old stuff.

I have a talent in drawing. I love to draw, which made me study Art and Humanity in secondary school. But now I have this idea of studying Fine and Applied art, but I don't think it is worth spending 5yrs of my life doing, since I could learn everything online

So now the big question:

Do you think a degree in fine art Is worth learning in school? I really need help on this

Any advice is welcomed
 

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It depends. You need to focus on what you want to achieve.

If I could draw, I would build a brand around myself and then sell my paintings as digitals or self printing them, doesn’t really matter. If you have a brand of loyal followers they’ll support you.
 

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I would say that if you are passionate about Fine Arts then go ahead and pursue the degree. If the program won't put a major dent in your finances - or if you have a sponsor for the program.

I specialized in Marketing in undergrad but I wanted to specialize in Data Analytics. I eventually learned analytics through courses online but I think I should have chosen analytics in college as well. The connections you make with like minded individuals is priceless. Also, most people pick majors where they have no interest at all - so you are likely to perform above average if you do. Also college might give you sort of a safe space where you can constantly experiment different ideas or interests.

Point to be noted that college success ≠ success in life
 

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Hello Great people!

I completed high school last year, but don't even know what course to study in the university.

In the country I am from, if you don't enter the university after you're done with your secondary school you are seen as a failure.

So I need your advice. I have read millionaire fastlane and it really changed my life.

I started learning how to trade the forex market while in high school, but dues to wrong informations out there I spent so long learning the wrong thing, but recently this year I came across the right material and I started re-learning again, while dumping the old stuff.

I have a talent in drawing. I love to draw, which made me study Art and Humanity in secondary school. But now I have this idea of studying Fine and Applied art, but I don't think it is worth spending 5yrs of my life doing, since I could learn everything online

So now the big question:

Do you think a degree in fine art Is worth learning in school? I really need help on this

Any advice is welcomed
My personal opinion is that you study things that are aligned with your values rather that focusing on what skill to pick up in university.

If your personal vision is financial well being for yourself I think studying a business related degree is still the best fit, and you can take up a minor in entrepreneurship or related modules.

I know there will be people pitching coding as a useful skill but computer science isn't coding. Just like psychology isn't sales, and mathematics isn't business analytic, and English literature isn't self-publishing.

If you see things as an mean to an end, and the end is financial well-being, then take up a business related degree. If there is a higher purpose/passion/interest that is more important to you than your goal of personal financial well-being, then study whatever that is. If it is art so be it.

Another thing to factor in is COST. Absolutely no need to go heavily indebted for any piece of paper.

If your top concern is job security after graduation always go for a professionally linked degree like accounting and engineering. They will almost find a job no matter how tough the economy is.
 
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In the country I am from, if you don't enter the university after you're done with your secondary school you are seen as a failure.
How much of this is the reason you’re thinking of getting a degree?
 

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I'm a musician. I went to music college and studied with various private teachers. Here are a couple of things I learned:

1) If you want to improve your skills, then consider find an artist you admire, and ask to pay them for lessons, or if you can be their apprentice or something like that.

For half the price you pay for art school, you could probably study with 2-3 or your favourite artists and learn 10x more.

2) If you want to make money from art, then start a local art club. It's pretty easy to have classes of 5-10. You could make more than your friends getting STEM jobs :rofl: Have all your students on a recurring monthly contract (use Stripe), and schedule 4-5 classes during the week. Have a payment option for 4 classes a month, 8 classes a month, 12 classes a month, etc.

You can then either put your time into:
  • growing your art school... and even selling it in the future
  • doing your own art
  • anything you like
Growing a full time art school to sell could be fastlane, or you can have it as a very comfortable "lifestyle" business that gives you a better than full time income, working part time hours.
 

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I think, for the most part, it doesn't matter.

Let me elaborate. From what I've observed in life, and specially because we get into the school/academic system very early in life, we obsess with always getting 'the right answer'. In life, there is no such thing.
All answers can be the right answer, or the wrong one. It depends on how things play out for you. Can you somehow predict this? Not really. There are a lot of variables in play that no one outside from you really know, and in the worst case, not even you.

Having said that, there is a tendency to try to mitigate the downside/risk. That is the practical approach, which is, since you are getting a piece of paper that validates your knowledge in a certain society, we tend to also take into account the needs of said society.
Moreover, I would also argue that last bit should also be the prime focus. It really doesn't matter what you do, as long as you can do something from someone else. The more people you can do it for, the more impact and success inside your society structure you will have. This kind of fits with what @SamRussell is poiting out.

I would also add that, for the most part, most jobs/careers have a range of salaries based on the supply and demand of AVERAGE requirements for the job, and in that average you will kind of get around the same money for them. This all changes of course when you start growing in experience and knowledge and especially if you are a top performer in any field, but that is a whole other discussion. (Eg. a lot of people go into CS thinking they will work for a FAANG salary, in reality they will most likely work for a bunch of medium tier companies, or even very good companies, but they pay salaries nowhere near FAANG).

So, what is the actionable takeaway?
1) Focus on process
Think about what your day to day will look like in a certain field. What is that you are actually aiming for? Don't think about the end goal for now, think about the process. In that picture, are you happy enough with that? Is that good enough not to make your life miserable?
A lot of people go into 'safe' bets, thinking about the end goal, instead of thinking about the process. They go into medicine just to find out that those fat checks that they were promised will only come after years and years of griniding and slowly becoming a top professional. They never even took into account that they hate talking with people, or that they hate the long hospital hours.

2) Focus on other people
What will you do that will be of value for others? At the end of the day, doing things for yourself is a hobby, doing things for others is a living. As long as we live in a capitalistic society, you need to provide others with value in some shape or another.
This is the same for anything you do in life. Trading the markets won't really earn you a living, unless you do it for other people. The name of that game is called Assets Under Management, not trading your account. One provides value for others and will give you a lot of income. The other, for the most part, is not sustainable in the long run.

3) Focus on sustainability
No, Im not going into an all 'go green' 'save the planet' schpiel here. What I mean is, life is the longest thing you'll ever do, but at the same time it's too short to be doing ONLY things you don't like.
Kind of tied to no.1 really. Focus on things that you can see yourself growing into, things that challenge you and that you think are worth it. If you ever start thinking "this is stupid" it probably is (for you at least!)

If getting an art degree gets you closer to your objective, makes sense in 1, 2 and 3 in your life, then it's probably fine enough. Degrees are no different than starting any other business in life. Some degree of due dilligence, some amount of testing the product in the market you want to sell to and, unfortunatelly some degree of luck.

There are no silver bullets out there.

Good luck.. and probably... don't trade forex unless you undestand what M0, M1, M2, GDP are, what is the expected and historical volatility and what the expected return for a given time frame would be based on that sole metric. You'll be unpleasently surprised.
 

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but I don't think it is worth spending 5yrs of my life doing, since I could learn everything online
Go with your gut. Your mind will rationalize with logic, and your heart will tug with emotion; your gut just knows what's right.
If you're already thinking it might not be worth your time, then find something that will be worth your time.

Also, conventional wisdom (i.e. you're not a success if you don't go to higher education) is for conventional people. Do you truly just want to be like everyone else? Or do you want to blaze your own trail through life?

"The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek."​

- Joseph Campbell
 

izraelinspired

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Go with your gut. Your mind will rationalize with logic, and your heart will tug with emotion; your gut just knows what's right.
If you're already thinking it might not be worth your time, then find something that will be worth your time.

Also, conventional wisdom (i.e. you're not a success if you don't go to higher education) is for conventional people. Do you truly just want to be like everyone else? Or do you want to blaze your own trail through life?

"The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek."​

- Joseph Campbell
Wow! what an amazing reply! God bless you for this
 

izraelinspired

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What are your goals in life?

Would investing your time & energy into a Fine Arts Degree assist you in achieving those goals?
Very good question! I will ponder on this
 

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Are there any opportunities you seek that require a degree?
 

izraelinspired

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I think, for the most part, it doesn't matter.

Let me elaborate. From what I've observed in life, and specially because we get into the school/academic system very early in life, we obsess with always getting 'the right answer'. In life, there is no such thing.
All answers can be the right answer, or the wrong one. It depends on how things play out for you. Can you somehow predict this? Not really. There are a lot of variables in play that no one outside from you really know, and in the worst case, not even you.

Having said that, there is a tendency to try to mitigate the downside/risk. That is the practical approach, which is, since you are getting a piece of paper that validates your knowledge in a certain society, we tend to also take into account the needs of said society.
Moreover, I would also argue that last bit should also be the prime focus. It really doesn't matter what you do, as long as you can do something from someone else. The more people you can do it for, the more impact and success inside your society structure you will have. This kind of fits with what @SamRussell is poiting out.

I would also add that, for the most part, most jobs/careers have a range of salaries based on the supply and demand of AVERAGE requirements for the job, and in that average you will kind of get around the same money for them. This all changes of course when you start growing in experience and knowledge and especially if you are a top performer in any field, but that is a whole other discussion. (Eg. a lot of people go into CS thinking they will work for a FAANG salary, in reality they will most likely work for a bunch of medium tier companies, or even very good companies, but they pay salaries nowhere near FAANG).

So, what is the actionable takeaway?
1) Focus on process
Think about what your day to day will look like in a certain field. What is that you are actually aiming for? Don't think about the end goal for now, think about the process. In that picture, are you happy enough with that? Is that good enough not to make your life miserable?
A lot of people go into 'safe' bets, thinking about the end goal, instead of thinking about the process. They go into medicine just to find out that those fat checks that they were promised will only come after years and years of griniding and slowly becoming a top professional. They never even took into account that they hate talking with people, or that they hate the long hospital hours.

2) Focus on other people
What will you do that will be of value for others? At the end of the day, doing things for yourself is a hobby, doing things for others is a living. As long as we live in a capitalistic society, you need to provide others with value in some shape or another.
This is the same for anything you do in life. Trading the markets won't really earn you a living, unless you do it for other people. The name of that game is called Assets Under Management, not trading your account. One provides value for others and will give you a lot of income. The other, for the most part, is not sustainable in the long run.

3) Focus on sustainability
No, Im not going into an all 'go green' 'save the planet' schpiel here. What I mean is, life is the longest thing you'll ever do, but at the same time it's too short to be doing ONLY things you don't like.
Kind of tied to no.1 really. Focus on things that you can see yourself growing into, things that challenge you and that you think are worth it. If you ever start thinking "this is stupid" it probably is (for you at least!)

If getting an art degree gets you closer to your objective, makes sense in 1, 2 and 3 in your life, then it's probably fine enough. Degrees are no different than starting any other business in life. Some degree of due dilligence, some amount of testing the product in the market you want to sell to and, unfortunatelly some degree of luck.

There are no silver bullets out there.

Good luck.. and probably... don't trade forex unless you undestand what M0, M1, M2, GDP are, what is the expected and historical volatility and what the expected return for a given time frame would be based on that sole metric. You'll be unpleasently surprised.
Thank you so so much for the time spent on enlightening me! I really appreciate your effort.

I got all what you were saying.

About trading forex, it is not what you think. Nowadays companies are looking for traders to manage there fund for speculative purposes. The earning potential is just amazing.

Once again i really appreciate your advice, and from what you said about focusing on the process instead of the end goal is really true.

I was just focusing on the end goals.

God bless you for sharing this with me.
 

izraelinspired

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I'm a musician. I went to music college and studied with various private teachers. Here are a couple of things I learned:

1) If you want to improve your skills, then consider find an artist you admire, and ask to pay them for lessons, or if you can be their apprentice or something like that.

For half the price you pay for art school, you could probably study with 2-3 or your favourite artists and learn 10x more.

2) If you want to make money from art, then start a local art club. It's pretty easy to have classes of 5-10. You could make more than your friends getting STEM jobs :rofl: Have all your students on a recurring monthly contract (use Stripe), and schedule 4-5 classes during the week. Have a payment option for 4 classes a month, 8 classes a month, 12 classes a month, etc.

You can then either put your time into:
  • growing your art school... and even selling it in the future
  • doing your own art
  • anything you like
Growing a full time art school to sell could be fastlane, or you can have it as a very comfortable "lifestyle" business that gives you a better than full time income, working part time hours.
I love this!!! You-re mindset is amazing!!
 
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Hello Great people!

I completed high school last year, but don't even know what course to study in the university.

In the country I am from, if you don't enter the university after you're done with your secondary school you are seen as a failure.

So I need your advice. I have read millionaire fastlane and it really changed my life.

I started learning how to trade the forex market while in high school, but dues to wrong informations out there I spent so long learning the wrong thing, but recently this year I came across the right material and I started re-learning again, while dumping the old stuff.

I have a talent in drawing. I love to draw, which made me study Art and Humanity in secondary school. But now I have this idea of studying Fine and Applied art, but I don't think it is worth spending 5yrs of my life doing, since I could learn everything online

So now the big question:

Do you think a degree in fine art Is worth learning in school? I really need help on this

Any advice is welcomed
Hello. My name is Robert Bryan, I am an inventor but my career for many years was as a professional artist. I did manage to make over 6 figures not as a fine artist but as a 3d artist. My first job I got was a concept/3d artist artist for the robotics company Boston Dynamics
View: https://youtu.be/fn3KWM1kuAwhttps://youtu.be/fn3KWM1kuA
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I am also a high school drop out and got my education at the library and then online. I've always got the job over the guy who went to college. Its the content of your portfolio that matters, not the degree. If you are passionate and work everyday towards your goals, you do not need college. I also believe that college will slow you down.

Set your bar high and study every day. If you are looking to be financial wealthy, this is NOT at lucrative career path. However it will help with big ideas when you decide to become an entrepreneur as I am able to utilize my art skills to render product designs and do all my own graphics. Keep in mind that its not a lot of money doing fine art and I was not able to support my family until I moved onto 3d art. But both are slow lane endeavors and I would encourage you to use your art skills to create scalable products or services if you are looking to have financial security and escape the rat race. I hope that helps. attached is some of my old drawings
 

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