Woooooooow. A whole pasta buffetI believe he made 3 threads on it.
Yes, I said 3.
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Free registration at the forum removes this block.Woooooooow. A whole pasta buffetI believe he made 3 threads on it.
Yes, I said 3.
Yes....I did as well. As tragic as this whole thing is, I believe that it will be meaningful for our "not my problem" culture that so much of our country has embraced. I am as much of a capitalist as the next person, but I hope that, at minimum, we get some sort of real universal healthcare out of this. I will pay more taxes if it means that me or one of my kids will have a viable way to visit a doctor, without going broke, if we were to fall into a situation where we couldn't provide for ourselves.I was.
Posted about it a few times. Nobody cared until now.
Yes....I did as well. As tragic as this whole thing is, I believe that it will be meaningful for our "not my problem" culture that so much of our country has embraced. I am as much of a capitalist as the next person, but I hope that, at minimum, we get some sort of real universal healthcare out of this. I will pay more taxes if it means that me or one of my kids will have a viable way to visit a doctor, without going broke, if we were to fall into a situation where we couldn't provide for ourselves.
I am not particularly optimistic though. I know how politics works, and I know that its usually the campaign contributors that get their way.
- almost THREE TIMES more people died this year from seasonal flu than coronavirus.
Brooks Brothers Says It Will Manufacture 150,000 Masks Per Day
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Before coronavirus, nobody was depressed knowing that so many people were dying every day.
Out of 14,707,000 deaths this year so far, there are so many sad stories, many of which are never reported just because they happened in poor countries that didn't get a hashtag
People aren't afraid of where it's at. They're afraid of where it's going.
But never forget that there always has been and always will be plentiful and immense suffering in the world, and feeling this or that way will not change that fact.
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The "if we do nothing" numbers are around 6 million people dead in the United States alone. Across the globe it's expected to be in the hundreds of millions.
The curve for C0VlD-19 is exponential. When unchecked, the number of infections doubles about every 2 days.
That's the problem.
Gilman (from the forum, who's been posting here) is a physician does a podcast. I was a guest the other week and we broke down many of the numbers.
Many of us have been watching Italy because that shows us where we're potentially going. Their entire healthcare system practically collapsed and patients were being treated in hallways. Someone was dying in Italy every 4 minutes. They literally couldn't cremate bodies fast enough.Coronavirus by the numbers. Insights of a data analyst
Chris Vaccaro is a data analyst who evaluates data for companies and university researchers, then finds trends to help make predictions and guide decisions. We discuss coronavirus data from around the world, and what we can expect based on data analysis. *What does a data analyst do exactly...podcast.gilmanwolsey.com
So that's kinda why you're seeing this reaction.
We don't know that. Spain is quickly catching up to them. NYC may also be.It's worse in Italy because of factors specific to their population.
On Nov 18, 2019 the Wuhan Institute of Virology posted an open post doc position for research into long lived SARS and related corona viruses in bats.
About a month later an epidemic of corona virus breaks out, attributed to eating bat meat.
I'm sure this is just a coincidence and totally not evidence of an accidental release of a bioweapon.
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Speculation aside, here's what we know. It's doubling every 30 hours or so, and that's just according to the officially acknowledged numbers. More disturbing, the number of fatalities is higher than the number of recoveries. What to make of that, I'm not certain, but it sure as hell doesn't look good. It means that of the resolved cases, half the people died and half recovered. How it will shake out in the coming weeks, we're just going to have to wait and see, but it sure doesn't look like a 3% fatality rate.
The curve for C0VlD-19 is exponential. When unchecked, the number of infections doubles about every 2 days.
Many of us have been watching Italy because that shows us where we're potentially going. Their entire healthcare system practically collapsed and patients were being treated in hallways. Someone was dying in Italy every 4 minutes. They literally couldn't cremate bodies fast enough.
The appalling situation in Italy is repeatedly used as a reference scenario. However, the true role of the virus in that country is completely unclear for many reasons – not only because points 3 and 4 above also apply here, but also because exceptional external factors exist which make these regions particularly vulnerable.
One of these factors is the increased air pollution in the north of Italy. According to WHO estimates, this situation, even without the virus, led to over 8,000 additional deaths per year in 2006 in the 13 largest cities in Italy alone. [7] The situation has not changed significantly since then. [8] Finally, it has also been shown that air pollution greatly increases the risk of viral lung diseases in very young and elderly people. [9]
Moreover, 27.4 percent of the particularly vulnerable population in this country live with young people, and in Spain as many as 33.5 percent. In Germany, the figure is only seven percent [10]. In addition, according to Prof. Dr. Reinhard Busse, head of the Department of Management in Health Care at the TU Berlin, Germany is significantly better equipped than Italy in terms of intensive care units – by a factor of about 2.5 [11].
My question: What efforts are being made to make the population aware of these elementary differences and to make people understand that scenarios like those in Italy or Spain are not realistic here?
Honestly, I'm skeptical. They've been studying these viruses for years.
On Nov 18, 2019 the Wuhan Institute of Virology posted an open post doc position for research into long lived SARS and related corona viruses in bats.
About a month later an epidemic of corona virus breaks out, attributed to eating bat meat.
I'm sure this is just a coincidence and totally not evidence of an accidental release of a bioweapon.
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Speculation aside, here's what we know. It's doubling every 30 hours or so, and that's just according to the officially acknowledged numbers. More disturbing, the number of fatalities is higher than the number of recoveries. What to make of that, I'm not certain, but it sure as hell doesn't look good. It means that of the resolved cases, half the people died and half recovered. How it will shake out in the coming weeks, we're just going to have to wait and see, but it sure doesn't look like a 3% fatality rate.
Yes.Do you genuinely think that the measures taken in India and similar countries will change anything given extreme population density and the articles I mentioned in my post?
It's not just Italy.Could you please comment this?
Yes. It absolutely can.Can it really be controlled at this point, now that it's very likely there are thousands upon thousands of newly infected each day?
Probably they learned from other countries that if you give people any notice, they'll use that warning time to flee the area, further spreading the disease.Now imagine that the shutdown is effective IMMEDIATELY with no prior warning whatsoever.
Without any context these numbers are tragic (and of course every death is). But world is filled with death and suffering every day; we just don't focus on it obsessively unless it's a global crisis and media reports it 24/7 (or much more painfully, until a loved one dies). Again, I need to emphasize it strongly that I'm not downplaying any of the deaths, but trying to offer a different, Stoic-influenced perspective that might help some people process what's going on.
Resignation and gloom won't help us right now. We can help others stay sane during the crisis through keeping calm, humor, hope, asking constructive questions and having constructive discussions (I love @GIlman's contributions in this thread), sharing good news (bad news equals high stress equals disrupted immune system - all the fear mongering of media can make even more people die), and reframing the current situation.
On the same page (worldometers.info) you can learn that while over 43,000 people died from coronavirus roughly from the beginning of this year (probably more given China's lies), there were over 14,707,000 deaths in total (so official coronavirus casualties are 0.29% of that number). Before coronavirus, nobody was depressed knowing that so many people were dying every day. We all just carried on with our lives, knowing full well that people were dying all around us but choosing not to dwell on it (the fact that most of the deaths didn't make any headlines helped).
Out of 14,707,000 deaths this year so far, there are so many sad stories, many of which are never reported just because they happened in poor countries that didn't get a hashtag (it's extremely sad, but that's what it often is - a tragedy in, say, Australia, like the recent bushfires nobody cares about anymore, is known globally while a much more disastrous situation in, say, Central African Republic, isn't even mentioned anywhere).
The uncomfortable reality is that people living in developed countries rarely, if ever, consider how much death and suffering happens all around the world. Until it happens to us, we don't care. Which is understandable - we wouldn't be able to live if we constantly pondered on this sad reality.
All the following data comes from worldometers.info:
Again, to emphasize, I'm obviously not attacking you, Andy (I hope it's clear I have TONS of respect for you). Just wanted to put the current situation in context because all I can see everywhere is doom and gloom constantly being heightened by social media, traditional media, and doomsday preppers. We don't need that; it's not constructive. We need to focus on solutions or ways to stay sane and healthy until it's over.
- In the last FIVE DAYS, more people died of HUNGER than coronavirus. The worst thing about it is that while people are dying of hunger, there are millions of people around the world carrying dozens or hundreds of excess pounds. None of those deaths make headlines because they rarely happen in rich countries.
- FIVE TIMES more people died this year from water-related diseases than coronavirus. Another completely preventable death limited mostly to poor countries while rich countries are wasting obscene amounts of water.
- almost THREE TIMES more people died this year from seasonal flu than coronavirus. But it's just the normal flu so who cares, right? It doesn't make headlines, either, yet it's just as tragic.
- almost TWO TIMES more mothers died during birth this year than people died from coronavirus. Again, most common in poor countries, virtually none of those tragic deaths are reported.
- over SIX TIMES more people committed suicide this year than people died from coronavirus. Another extremely sad and often preventable death that rarely gets reported.
Again, not trying to downplay any deaths and tragedies (I DO KNOW first-hand that it's no consolation at all for a person who lost their loved one - this is only a perspective for those of us who are unscathed), but we wouldn't even notice a 0.3% rise in deaths this year if they happened in, say, Myanmar (how many people know that THREE TIMES more people died in the aftermath of 2008 Cyclone Nargis in Myanmar?).
Probably they learned from other countries that if you give people any notice, they'll use that warning time to flee the area, further spreading the disease.
Imagine a 7-day 24-hour curfew with EVERYTHING (including supermarkets) closed (you can only leave your house in case of a medical emergency). Now imagine that the shutdown is effective IMMEDIATELY with no prior warning whatsoever.
That's what has just happened in St. Lucia (13 official cases, population of almost 179,000 people).
COVID-19: St Lucia is under a 24-hour shutdown effective immediately
St Lucia's Prime Minister Allen Chastanet gave an update to the nation earlier tonight in which he announced that St Lucia is under a 24-hour curfew, effective immediatelwww.loopnewsbarbados.com
If you had little or no food prior to the announcement, tough luck. 7 days of starvation here we go.
Effective immediate 24-hour curfews coming soon to a city near you?
Glad we have supplies for at least a couple of weeks as I'm worried Barbados will follow in their tracks.
I was acceptant of the idea of utilising Herd Immunity for the masses while protecting the vulnerable, either until everyone was clear or a vaccine could be released.
It seemed pretty clear who was at risk and so a sensible option, but having 3 people of 21 years and under, (with no underlying health problems, if we are to believe the reports) die in the UK recently has made me wonder. I wasn't too worried about my children contracting C0VlD-19 but I am now.
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