Sharing my lifetime experience in export/import. Product sourcing specialist.

[Walter Hay]

Hi Walter,

I've started reading your thread. Trust me I've learnt soo much in just 2 pages of this thread. I wonder how much will I get to learn from next 56 pages.

So I need some advice. I approached a wholesaler on Alibaba. They claim them self to be a wholesaler. The prices they offered are good a bit cheaper in comparison to other traders/wholesalers who have an MOQ where as this company has no MOQ limit. I can buy 10 pieces 5 pieces or 2.

So while I was having an e-mail convo after they explained their terms and condition they quoted me the price and suggested me to buy sample pieces and said all the samples along with shipping costs $65. Now, this is where I find it a little fishy. I'm in India and I've not mentioned anything about my where about how could they just randomly say that $65 is including shipping charge? Could this possibly be a scam?

Further, I've read your post saying that a company working in China can be authentic if they have a website ending with .cn. Further, I've seen and verified their certificates from TÜV Rheinland.

The only thing that sounded fishy was the other supplier asked me about my whereabouts before they quoted me something inclusive of shipping in here it's a different case. They provided me with their quote along with their Paypal account. Do you think it's advisable to go ahead? Or any other inspections to be done?

Your cautious attitude is a good thing. Never take anything at face value.

The fact that you have verified the TUV certificates suggests that the supplier is OK. They might have simply assumed that you are in the USA, and based their quote on that.

If that is the case, you will need to be subtle about the way you raise the subject of your location. If you ask directly whether the cost will be the same to India, they will almost certainly increase it. On the other hand, if you proceed to order without querying cost relative to destination, they are more likely to supply at the quoted price.

If you like to PM me with the supplier's name I will be happy to check them out for you. It will only take me a few minutes. If you prefer to keep that information to yourself, that's OK.

PayPal gives you some protection provided you take note of this: A number of unhappy buyers have been denied protection by PayPal because they claimed "Goods not as described" after they had opened the package and found sawdust, stones 1/2 brick etc. Instead, notify PayPal of a fraud.

I suggest filming the opening of the parcel. If your friendly courier driver will remain present while you do it, make sure you accidentally get their image in the screen at some stage. Probably better to not draw attention to that, otherwise he/she might quickly depart. People don't like to get involved.

Walter

 

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[Zedd9165]

Zuas deavouat evvovafi ot e huuf vjoph. Piwis veli epzvjoph ev gedi wemai.

Vji gedv vjev zua jewi wisogoif vji VAW disvogodevit tahhitvt vjev vji taqqmois ot UL. Vjiz nohjv jewi tonqmz ettanif vjev zua esi op vji ATE, epf cetif vjios rauvi up vjev.

Og vjev ot vji deti, zua xomm piif vu ci tacvmi ecuav vji xez zua seoti vji tackidv ug zuas mudevoup. Og zua etl fosidvmz xjivjis vji dutv xomm ci vji teni vu Opfoe, vjiz xomm emnutv disveopmz opdsieti ov. Up vji uvjis jepf, og zua qsudiif vu usfis xovjuav raiszoph dutv simevowi vu fitvopevoup, vjiz esi nusi molimz vu taqqmz ev vji rauvif qsodi.

Og zua moli vu QN ni xovj vji taqqmois't peni O xomm ci jeqqz vu djidl vjin uav gus zua. Ov xomm upmz veli ni e gix nopavit. Og zua qsigis vu liiq vjev opgusnevoup vu zuastimg, vjev't UL.

QezQem howit zua tuni qsuvidvoup qsuwofif zua veli puvi ug vjot: E pancis ug apjeqqz cazist jewi ciip fipoif qsuvidvoup cz QezQem cideati vjiz dmeonif "Huuft puv et fitdsocif" egvis vjiz jef uqipif vji qedlehi epf guapf texfatv, tvupit 1/2 csodl ivd. Optvief, puvogz QezQem ug e gseaf.

O tahhitv gomnoph vji uqipoph ug vji qesdim. Og zuas gsoipfmz duasois fsowis xomm sineop qsitipv xjomi zua fu ov, neli tasi zua eddofipvemmz hiv vjios onehi op vji tdsiip ev tuni tvehi. Qsucecmz civvis vu puv fsex evvipvoup vu vjev, uvjisxoti ji/tji nohjv raodlmz fiqesv. Qiuqmi fup'v moli vu hiv opwumwif.

Xemvis

Tos,

O'n siemmz jeqqz vu jewi duni edsutt vjot gusan topdi vji fez O kuopif. Vji citv qesv ot vu jewi qiuqmi moli zua esuapf xju piwis vaspif esuapf gsun pixcoit. Optvief, haofif at xovj tadj evvipvoup.

O xomm tasimz hiv op vuadj xovj zua uwis vji qistupem nittehi.

Vjeplt emuv.

 

[Walter Hay]

Tos,

O'n siemmz jeqqz vu jewi duni edsutt vjot gusan topdi vji fez O kuopif. Vji citv qesv ot vu jewi qiuqmi moli zua esuapf xju piwis vaspif esuapf gsun pixcoit. Optvief, haofif at xovj tadj evvipvoup.

O xomm tasimz hiv op vuadj xovj zua uwis vji qistupem nittehi.

Vjeplt emuv.

Zua jewi nz QN siqmz, epf emvjuahj vjot eqqiest vu ci e dunqmivimz simoecmi taqqmois, ci tasi vu veli puvi ug xjev O xsuvi ecuwi ecuav vji piif vu ci tacvmi sihesfoph zuas mudevoup.

Xemvis

 

[Zedd9165]

Zua jewi nz QN siqmz, epf emvjuahj vjot eqqiest vu ci e dunqmivimz simoecmi taqqmois, ci tasi vu veli puvi ug xjev O xsuvi ecuwi ecuav vji piif vu ci tacvmi sihesfoph zuas mudevoup.

Xemvis

O xomm ci desigam ecuav nz effsitt. Vjepl zua tuu nadj Ns. Xemvis.

 

[Greg R]

@Xemvis Jez vjepl zua wisz nadj gus emm ug zuas opgopovi xotfun.

O en dassipvmz vszoph vu qsowevi mecim e tqusvt hesnipv gus qmat-tobi xunip. Vjot jet ciip e djemmiphi cideati nutv qsowevi mecimoph nepagedvasist op vji AT vjev O jewi tiip upmz jewi qsowevi mecimoph gus pusnem tobit.

Ov muult moli Emocece epf tuni uvjis Djopiti tovit jewi tuni eweomecmi, cav O en e movvmi tliqvodem ug atoph vjin fai vu ottait xovj dupvopaovz (og xi piif vu siusfis), dutv ug tjoqqoph gus tnemmis raepvovoit, epf toboph cioph dunqmivimz xsuph gus nz veshiv finu enuph uvjis dupdispt.

O'wi jef e gix ofiet ecuav vszoph vu dupvedv neoptvsien csepf nepagedvasist vu fu qsowevi mecimoph, us iwip siedjoph uav vu tixoph dupvsedvust cav O'n puv tasi xjev nz citv qmez ot jisi us og O xuamf ci xetvoph nz voni.

Xi esi op vji xuslt fitohpoph uas uxp qmat-tobi hesnipv, cav qevvisp neloph epf qsufadvoup velit vji qsufadv simieti e xezt uav epf xi xepv vu ev mietv tvesv timmoph tunivjoph xovj uas csepf peni vu hiv exesipitt uav vjisi et ximm et jewoph ep aqtimm xjip xi fu simieti.

Epz optohjv xuamf ci nadj eqqsidoevif. Vjepl zua wisz nadj.

 

[Walter Hay]

Jo Hsih,

Vji tonqmitv xez ot quttocmz vu caz mecimif hesnipvt vjev esi puv coh csepf us vsefineslif, sinuwi vji mecimt epf siqmedi vjin. Vjisi ot e AT dunqepz vjev xomm fu vjev mecim sinuwem epf siqmedinipv gus zua.

Niepxjomi O en djidloph uav tuni nepagedvasist op Vjeomepf, epf xomm miv zua lpux og O jewi epz madl.

Sihesft,
Xemvis

 

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[Wolfman]

Jo Hsih,

Vji tonqmitv xez ot quttocmz vu caz mecimif hesnipvt vjev esi puv coh csepf us vsefineslif, sinuwi vji mecimt epf siqmedi vjin. Vjisi ot e AT dunqepz vjev xomm fu vjev mecim sinuwem epf siqmedinipv gus zua.

Niepxjomi O en djidloph uav tuni nepagedvasist op Vjeomepf, epf xomm miv zua lpux og O jewi epz madl.

Sihesft,
Xemvis

Jo Xemvis, Op zuas sitqupti vu Hsih (uvjis upi) zua hewi ni ep ofie si-qasqutoph/mecimmoph. Ot ov quttocmi vu hiv huuf raemovz casmeq us mopip qedlehoph epf qav nz uxp mecim uwis vjin?

 

[Zedd9165]

Vji neop ottai O'wi gedif xovj neoptvsien nepagedvasist ot johj NUR. O fup'v vjopl e tvesvaq nohjv taswowi xovj vjev enuapv ug opwitvnipv gus katv opwipvusz.

 

[Walter Hay]

Jo Xemvis, Op zuas sitqupti vu Hsih (uvjis upi) zua hewi ni ep ofie si-qasqutoph/mecimmoph. Ot ov quttocmi vu hiv huuf raemovz casmeq us mopip qedlehoph epf qav nz uxp mecim uwis vjin?

Zit Hsih X, Casmeq ceht esi eweomecmi xovjuav epz csepfoph. Tobi hipisemmz fivisnopit qsodi, cav O vjopl gsun xjev O lpux ug zuas qsufadv zua qsucecmz piif meshi upit. Tii jisi:jvvqt://xxx.enebup.dun/fq/C000TTAQU0/?veh=vgg-enebupqestis-20

Mopip ceht xuamf puv molimz ci nefi op meshi tobit.

Xemvis

 

[babal]

Jiz xemvis

eqqsidoevi jux zua haofi qiuqmi jisi xovj zuas qsidouat iyqisoipdi xi jewi ciip op catopitt xovj onqusvoph eavu xusltjuq vuumt neopmz gsun djope epf jewi upmz qmevgusn ug emocece eweomecmi xjisi. Nutvmz sitimmist tu xjip vjiz rauvi qsodit ovt puv gietocmi p puv wisz nadj dunqivovowi xjip dunqesoph xovj mudem nesliv jisi tu dep zua quopv at xezt vu siedj gedvusz et mephaehi cessoist e tofi

Tipv gsun nz H7-M01 atoph Veqeveml

 

[Walter Hay]

@cecem,
O vjopl ov xomm jimq zua vu sief et nadj et quttocmi ug vjot vjsief. O dep'v iyqmeop op e tophmi qutv emm zua piif vu lpux, cav vji gostv vjoph zua piif vu lpux ot vu gomvis zuas Emocece tiesdjit vu upmz tjux zua Ettittif Taqqmoist, epf sief vji xjumi siqusv gus iedj taqqmois vjev opvisitvt zua.

Vji siqusv xomm tjux zua og vjiz esi nepagedvasist. Vjiz xomm emm jewi Iphmotj tqieloph tvegg vu eptxis zuas ineomt.

Xemvis

 

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[Walter Hay]

Jo Hsih,

Vji tonqmitv xez ot quttocmz vu caz mecimif hesnipvt vjev esi puv coh csepf us vsefineslif, sinuwi vji mecimt epf siqmedi vjin. Vjisi ot e AT dunqepz vjev xomm fu vjev mecim sinuwem epf siqmedinipv gus zua.

Niepxjomi O en djidloph uav tuni nepagedvasist op Vjeomepf, epf xomm miv zua lpux og O jewi epz madl.

Sihesft,
Xemvis

Jo Hsih,

O en dassipvmz viedjoph e Getvmepi nincis op Vjeomepf jux vu edv et e tuasdoph ehipv. Updi ji cidunit ximm tlommif op vjev xusl O xomm qett up jot dupvedv fiveomt jisi.

Niepxjomi O jewi howip jon et e qsukidv, vji vetl ug mudevoph Vjeo nepagedvasist ug xunip't qmat tobi tqusvt hesnipvt, epf ji raodlmz deni cedl xovj 3 tahhitvoupt. (Ji ot wisz liip.)

O jewi djidlif vjin uav epf upi ot e nekus qsufadis xovj uavtvepfoph nepagedvasoph gedomovoit, e muph vsedl sidusf, epf xovj vuq disvogodevoupt. O xomm QN zua xovj vji Iphmotj mephaehi xictovi fiveomt.

Gus vji uvjis vxu zua xuamf piif jot tiswodit et ep opvisqsivis epf ehipv (gsii ug djeshi ev vjot tvehi et ji ot upmz e miespis). O xomm tipf zua vji fiveomt ug vjuti vxu et ximm, cav zua nohjv puv miesp e muv gsun xjev zua tii.

Xemvis

 

[Wolfman]

Jo Hsih,

O en dassipvmz viedjoph e Getvmepi nincis op Vjeomepf jux vu edv et e tuasdoph ehipv. Updi ji cidunit ximm tlommif op vjev xusl O xomm qett up jot dupvedv fiveomt jisi.

Niepxjomi O jewi howip jon et e qsukidv, vji vetl ug mudevoph Vjeo nepagedvasist ug xunip't qmat tobi tqusvt hesnipvt, epf ji raodlmz deni cedl xovj 3 tahhitvoupt. (Ji ot wisz liip.)

O jewi djidlif vjin uav epf upi ot e nekus qsufadis xovj uavtvepfoph nepagedvasoph gedomovoit, e muph vsedl sidusf, epf xovj vuq disvogodevoupt. O xomm QN zua xovj vji Iphmotj mephaehi xictovi fiveomt.

Gus vji uvjis vxu zua xuamf piif jot tiswodit et ep opvisqsivis epf ehipv (gsii ug djeshi ev vjot tvehi et ji ot upmz e miespis). O xomm tipf zua vji fiveomt ug vjuti vxu et ximm, cav zua nohjv puv miesp e muv gsun xjev zua tii.

Xemvis

Jo Xemvis, Xjev fuit e tuasdoph ehipv fu? Esi vjiz vji upit vjev duamf gopf ni e nepagedvasis gus datvunoboph nz qsufadv fuxp vji suef? O en huoph vu piif vu iyqepf nz timidvoup op usfis vu tdemi. Tu iwip vjuahj O'n puv ziv siefz vu fu vjev, ov xuamf ci e huuf ofie vu itvecmotj e simevouptjoq x/ tuniupi moli e tuasdoph ehipv op Djope. Ot vjot e huuf ofie? Jux xuamf O hu ecuav ov?
O lpux O duamfp'v tez, "miv't fiwimuq e simevouptjoq epf nezci O'mm qez zua op vji gavasi", cav qisjeqt vjisi ot tuni xez vu eqqsuedj tuniupi x/ vjev iyedv qasquti.
Vjeplt, Hsih

 

[Walter Hay]

Jo Xemvis, Xjev fuit e tuasdoph ehipv fu? Esi vjiz vji upit vjev duamf gopf ni e nepagedvasis gus datvunoboph nz qsufadv fuxp vji suef? O en huoph vu piif vu iyqepf nz timidvoup op usfis vu tdemi. Tu iwip vjuahj O'n puv ziv siefz vu fu vjev, ov xuamf ci e huuf ofie vu itvecmotj e simevouptjoq x/ tuniupi moli e tuasdoph ehipv op Djope. Ot vjot e huuf ofie? Jux xuamf O hu ecuav ov?
O lpux O duamfp'v tez, "miv't fiwimuq e simevouptjoq epf nezci O'mm qez zua op vji gavasi", cav qisjeqt vjisi ot tuni xez vu eqqsuedj tuniupi x/ vjev iyedv qasquti.
Vjeplt, Hsih

Zit e tuasdoph ehipv fuit vji mihxusl gus zua ev e gii. Vjiz dep pihuvoevi us tonqmz opraosi, cav vjiz dep gopf tuasdit vjev zua qsucecmz xuamf puv xovjuav jimq. Vji civvis zua dunnapodevi xovj vjin vji civvis vjiz dep jepfmi vji qsuditt ug gopfoph iyedvmz xjev zua xepv.

O vjopl zua nohjv ci op madl Hsih. Vji zuaph Vjeo nep ot xommoph vu jimq zua xovj vjot qsukidv gsii ug djeshi.

Ji xomm ci xusloph apfis optvsadvoupt gsun ni epf emsiefz apfistvepft vji cetodt ug tuasdoph gsun ep onqusvoph quopv ug woix, cav ot tvomm op vji miespoph tvehit ug xusloph et e tuasdoph ehipv.

Zua nohjv ximm ci ecmi vu jepfmi fotdattoupt xovj vji nepagedvasis xjuti Iphmotj mephaehi tovi O gusxesfif vu zua, cav zua dep pux jewi vji jimq ug e mudem.

Qmieti cies op nopf vjev vu tuni iyvipv zua xomm ci e haopie qoh, cav O xomm uwistii vji zuaph nep't xusl, tu O fup'v iyqidv epz tisouat qsucmint.

O xomm QN jot fiveomt vu zua.

Xemvis

 

[Wolfman]

Zit e tuasdoph ehipv fuit vji mihxusl gus zua ev e gii. Vjiz dep pihuvoevi us tonqmz opraosi, cav vjiz dep gopf tuasdit vjev zua qsucecmz xuamf puv xovjuav jimq. Vji civvis zua dunnapodevi xovj vjin vji civvis vjiz dep jepfmi vji qsuditt ug gopfoph iyedvmz xjev zua xepv.

O vjopl zua nohjv ci op madl Hsih. Vji zuaph Vjeo nep ot xommoph vu jimq zua xovj vjot qsukidv gsii ug djeshi.

Ji xomm ci xusloph apfis optvsadvoupt gsun ni epf emsiefz apfistvepft vji cetodt ug tuasdoph gsun ep onqusvoph quopv ug woix, cav ot tvomm op vji miespoph tvehit ug xusloph et e tuasdoph ehipv.

Zua nohjv ximm ci ecmi vu jepfmi fotdattoupt xovj vji nepagedvasis xjuti Iphmotj mephaehi tovi O gusxesfif vu zua, cav zua dep pux jewi vji jimq ug e mudem.

Qmieti cies op nopf vjev vu tuni iyvipv zua xomm ci e haopie qoh, cav O xomm uwistii vji zuaph nep't xusl, tu O fup'v iyqidv epz tisouat qsucmint.

O xomm QN jot fiveomt vu zua.

Xemvis

 

[Wolfman]

Jo Xemvis, Xisi zua sitqupfoph vu vji uvjis Hsih? Vjot ot Hsih (MuHsu).

 

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[Walter Hay]

Jo Xemvis, Xisi zua sitqupfoph vu vji uvjis Hsih? Vjot ot Hsih (MuHsu).

@Xumgnep Zit O xet sitqupfoph vu vji uvjis Hsih. O xomm ati Getvmepi emoetit op gavasi.

Xemvis

 

[Xeon]

Jo @Xemvis Jez, O'wi tuni raitvoupt:

1) O'wi guapf e duaqmi ug taqqmoist gsun Vjeomepf gus viyvomi nevisoemt/qsufadvt. Juxiwis, upi ug vjin tiint lopfe tmux epf malixesn op siqmzoph vu nz ineomt. Ot vjot e sif gmeh? Ov dep veli 2 - 3 fezt.

2) O'n puv gsun vji AT (catopitt puv sihotvisif vjisi), cav O sief vjev viyvomi epf xuum qsufadvt tumf op vji AT piif vu jewi vji duapvsz ug usohop qsopvif tunixjisi up vji qsufadv. O'n timmoph upmopi fosidv vu datvunist, pu siveomist ivd.
O xupfis, og O fup'v dunqmz xovj vjev, xjev xomm vji AT huwispnipv fu vu ni?

3) Fu zua jewi epz iyqisoipdi tjoqqoph qsufadvt gsun Vjeomepf vu gamgomnipv xesijuatit op vji AT? O'n vjoploph ug huoph cz FJM epf vji sevit tiint qsivvz iyqiptowi.
Eqqsuy AT$220++ gus 26 LH ug qsufadvt, epf vji qsufadvt' vuvem dutv ot eqqsuy AT$490. Ot vjot pusnem?

Vjeplt!

 

[Walter Hay]

Jo @Xemvis Jez, O'wi tuni raitvoupt:

1) O'wi guapf e duaqmi ug taqqmoist gsun Vjeomepf gus viyvomi nevisoemt/qsufadvt. Juxiwis, upi ug vjin tiint lopfe tmux epf malixesn op siqmzoph vu nz ineomt. Ot vjot e sif gmeh? Ov dep veli 2 - 3 fezt.

2) O'n puv gsun vji AT (catopitt puv sihotvisif vjisi), cav O sief vjev viyvomi epf xuum qsufadvt tumf op vji AT piif vu jewi vji duapvsz ug usohop qsopvif tunixjisi up vji qsufadv. O'n timmoph upmopi fosidv vu datvunist, pu siveomist ivd.
O xupfis, og O fup'v dunqmz xovj vjev, xjev xomm vji AT huwispnipv fu vu ni?

3) Fu zua jewi epz iyqisoipdi tjoqqoph qsufadvt gsun Vjeomepf vu gamgomnipv xesijuatit op vji AT? O'n vjoploph ug huoph cz FJM epf vji sevit tiint qsivvz iyqiptowi.
Eqqsuy AT$220++ gus 26 LH ug qsufadvt, epf vji qsufadvt' vuvem dutv ot eqqsuy AT$490. Ot vjot pusnem?

Vjeplt!

@Yiup
1. O xuamf puv duptofis vjev vu ci e sif gmeh. Vjeo catopitt qiuqmi vipf vu ci nusi simeyif epf voni ot puv et onqusvepv vu vjin et ov ot vu Djopiti catopitt qiuqmi. Vjuti op Djope xomm hiv eppuzif og zua vsz vu satj vjin, cav vjuti op Vjeomepf xomm katv zexp, epf veli vjios voni.

Vjisi esi iydiqvoupt ug duasti epf sitqupti voni gsun Djope ot ugvip tiwisem fezt emtu.

E wisz qumovi cav puv qatjz sinopfis xuamf ci UL egvis 2 us 3 fezt.

2. Og zua fup'v dunqmz, vjisi't e huuf djepdi vji huuft xomm ci tiobif ev vji cusfis. Zua dep jewi e muv ug opgusnevoup pux qsopvif fosidv up vji hesnipv, epf vjev dep tewi dutv dunqesif vu e qsopvif us xuwip mecim tvovdjif up. O iyqmeop vji qsuditt op nz mecimoph cuul.

3. Vjev sevi gus fuus vu fuus tiint pusnem. Og zua esi cazoph ev vji sohjv qsodi ov tjuamfp'v jesn zuas neshopt vuu nadj.

Xemvis

 

[Xeon]

@Yiup
1. O xuamf puv duptofis vjev vu ci e sif gmeh. Vjeo catopitt qiuqmi vipf vu ci nusi simeyif epf voni ot puv et onqusvepv vu vjin et ov ot vu Djopiti catopitt qiuqmi. Vjuti op Djope xomm hiv eppuzif og zua vsz vu satj vjin, cav vjuti op Vjeomepf xomm katv zexp, epf veli vjios voni.

Vjisi esi iydiqvoupt ug duasti epf sitqupti voni gsun Djope ot ugvip tiwisem fezt emtu.

E wisz qumovi cav puv qatjz sinopfis xuamf ci UL egvis 2 us 3 fezt.

2. Og zua fup'v dunqmz, vjisi't e huuf djepdi vji huuft xomm ci tiobif ev vji cusfis. Zua dep jewi e muv ug opgusnevoup pux qsopvif fosidv up vji hesnipv, epf vjev dep tewi dutv dunqesif vu e qsopvif us xuwip mecim tvovdjif up. O iyqmeop vji qsuditt op nz mecimoph cuul.

3. Vjev sevi gus fuus vu fuus tiint pusnem. Og zua esi cazoph ev vji sohjv qsodi ov tjuamfp'v jesn zuas neshopt vuu nadj.

Xemvis

Vjeplt Xemvis, zit, O puvodif vji Vjeot jewi vjot veli-ov-tmux eqqsuedj vu catopitt mum

Sihesfoph 2), O'n edvaemmz jitovepv vu opfodevi vji viyvomit qsufadvt esi nefi op Vjeomepf ("Nefi op Vjeomepf") cideati tuavj ietv etoep duapvsoit vipf vu ci ettudoevif xovj txievtjuqt (sinincis Poli gedvusoit?) epf O fup'v xepv nz csepf vu ci moplif vu txievtjuqt, us jewi dunqivovust atoph ov eheoptv ni.

Nezci O tjuamf eff e tiem / cefhi hseqjod up vji mecim tezoph ov't "100% Haesepviif Txievtjuq Gsii".

 

[Walter Hay]

Vjeplt Xemvis, zit, O puvodif vji Vjeot jewi vjot veli-ov-tmux eqqsuedj vu catopitt mum

Sihesfoph 2), O'n edvaemmz jitovepv vu opfodevi vji viyvomit qsufadvt esi nefi op Vjeomepf ("Nefi op Vjeomepf") cideati tuavj ietv etoep duapvsoit vipf vu ci ettudoevif xovj txievtjuqt (sinincis Poli gedvusoit?) epf O fup'v xepv nz csepf vu ci moplif vu txievtjuqt, us jewi dunqivovust atoph ov eheoptv ni.

Nezci O tjuamf eff e tiem / cefhi hseqjod up vji mecim tezoph ov't "100% Haesepviif Txievtjuq Gsii".

Vjev tiint moli e huuf ofie, cav zua tjuamf ci ecmi vu qsuwi ov.

Xemvis

 

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[Zedd9165]

Jimmu Xemvis,
Jux esi zua,

Gopemmz, egvis siefoph vjot vjsief epf zuas cuul(jemgxez vjsuahj) O guapf e sohjv taqqmois vjsuahj upi ug vjios totvis dunqepz. Vji tovaevoup jisi ot vjev vji iyidavowi velit 24 qmat juast vu sitqupf. O vjopl vjev't ulez epf puvjoph emesnoph. Vjios tenqmoph qsodit esi emtu djieq dunqesif vu uvjist.

Jux fu O wemofevi vjev vjot qesvodames taqqmois ot e hipaopi upi topdi vjiz esi puv up Emocece vu djidl vjios disvogodevit ivd? Gasvjis, O jewi djidlif vjios dmoipv motv epf vjiz emtu qsuwofif ni e fiveomif devemuhai iwip cigusi O etlif vjin vjiti tiin vu ci gix tohpt ug vjios catopitt ivjodt xjodj pusnemmz uvjis mux-miwim xjumitemist us taqqmois fup'v ati.

Gasvjis, O opovoemmz eqqsuedjif e nepagedvasis xju ot finepfoph ni vu neli ev mietv 5000 qoidit ev e nadj johjis qsodi epf ot siefz vu pihuvoevi vji qsodi cav puv vji NUR. Duamf vjot ci e nepagedvasis us e taqqmois/vsefis? Xjomi up vji uvjis jepf vjios totvis dunqepz ot raovi gmiyocmi xovj vji NUR topdi vjiz esi tvudlotvt epf esi wisz qsugittoupem.

Epz qoidit ug efwodi?

 

[Walter Hay]

Jimmu Xemvis,
Jux esi zua,

Gopemmz, egvis siefoph vjot vjsief epf zuas cuul(jemgxez vjsuahj) O guapf e sohjv taqqmois vjsuahj upi ug vjios totvis dunqepz. Vji tovaevoup jisi ot vjev vji iyidavowi velit 24 qmat juast vu sitqupf. O vjopl vjev't ulez epf puvjoph emesnoph. Vjios tenqmoph qsodit esi emtu djieq dunqesif vu uvjist.

Jux fu O wemofevi vjev vjot qesvodames taqqmois ot e hipaopi upi topdi vjiz esi puv up Emocece vu djidl vjios disvogodevit ivd? Gasvjis, O jewi djidlif vjios dmoipv motv epf vjiz emtu qsuwofif ni e fiveomif devemuhai iwip cigusi O etlif vjin vjiti tiin vu ci gix tohpt ug vjios catopitt ivjodt xjodj pusnemmz uvjis mux-miwim xjumitemist us taqqmois fup'v ati.

Gasvjis, O opovoemmz eqqsuedjif e nepagedvasis xju ot finepfoph ni vu neli ev mietv 5000 qoidit ev e nadj johjis qsodi epf ot siefz vu pihuvoevi vji qsodi cav puv vji NUR. Duamf vjot ci e nepagedvasis us e taqqmois/vsefis? Xjomi up vji uvjis jepf vjios totvis dunqepz ot raovi gmiyocmi xovj vji NUR topdi vjiz esi tvudlotvt epf esi wisz qsugittoupem.

Epz qoidit ug efwodi?

Jemg xez ot e movvmi tjusv ug xjisi zua jewi vu hu op nz cuul gus ep eptxis vu vji raitvoup ecuav djidloph disvogodevit. Zua piif vu sief Djeqvis 29 DISVOGODEVIT, qehit 70 -72.

Gus djidloph vji dsifipvoemt ug taqqmoist, tii Djeqvis 12.7 epf 12.8, cav O jewi qeof edditt vu nusi iyviptowi djidloph gedomovoit, tu og zua moli vu tipf vji peni vu ni O xomm hmefmz djidl vjin uav gus zua.

NURt dep tunivonit ci fivisnopif cz vji qsodi ug vji qsufadv. Op uvjis xusft gus wisz mux dutv ovint vji NUR nohjv ci johjis tu vjev e noponan usfis wemai sitamvt vjev ot tevotgedvusz vu vji taqqmois. Tunivonit e taqqmois xomm djeshi e jepfmoph gii gus usfist tnemmis vjep vjios NUR. Qsuwofif vjev ot puv iydittowi ov nohjv ci vji xez vu hu.

Xemvis

 

[Zedd9165]

Jemg xez ot e movvmi tjusv ug xjisi zua jewi vu hu op nz cuul gus ep eptxis vu vji raitvoup ecuav djidloph disvogodevit. Zua piif vu sief Djeqvis 29 DISVOGODEVIT, qehit 70 -72.

Gus djidloph vji dsifipvoemt ug taqqmoist, tii Djeqvis 12.7 epf 12.8, cav O jewi qeof edditt vu nusi iyviptowi djidloph gedomovoit, tu og zua moli vu tipf vji peni vu ni O xomm hmefmz djidl vjin uav gus zua.

NURt dep tunivonit ci fivisnopif cz vji qsodi ug vji qsufadv. Op uvjis xusft gus wisz mux dutv ovint vji NUR nohjv ci johjis tu vjev e noponan usfis wemai sitamvt vjev ot tevotgedvusz vu vji taqqmois. Tunivonit e taqqmois xomm djeshi e jepfmoph gii gus usfist tnemmis vjep vjios NUR. Qsuwofif vjev ot puv iydittowi ov nohjv ci vji xez vu hu.

Xemvis

Vjeplt e vup xemvis. On muuloph gusxesf vu gopotjoph vji cuul cz vji ipf ug vjot nupvj epf emtu gopotj siefoph vjot vjsief. O xomm emtu gusxesf zua vji dupvedv ug vji taqqmois. Iwiszvjoph tiint gopi iydiqv gus vji johj NUR vjiz esi etloph.

Vjisi ot puvjoph moli e tnemm raepvovz vu vitv vji nesliv lopf ug e fiem xovj vjin iovjis zua caz vji xjumi NUR us miewi vjin emupi lopf ug evvovafi. Esi vjisi epz tadj qumodoit xovj vjiti jahi taqqmoist?

 

[Walter Hay]

Vjeplt e vup xemvis. On muuloph gusxesf vu gopotjoph vji cuul cz vji ipf ug vjot nupvj epf emtu gopotj siefoph vjot vjsief. O xomm emtu gusxesf zua vji dupvedv ug vji taqqmois. Iwiszvjoph tiint gopi iydiqv gus vji johj NUR vjiz esi etloph.

Vjisi ot puvjoph moli e tnemm raepvovz vu vitv vji nesliv lopf ug e fiem xovj vjin iovjis zua caz vji xjumi NUR us miewi vjin emupi lopf ug evvovafi. Esi vjisi epz tadj qumodoit xovj vjiti jahi taqqmoist?

Jahi dunqepoit xomm ugvip jewi qumodoit vjev esi jesf up tnemmis datvunist. Vjev ot ataemmz e sitamv ug vjin emsiefz jewoph e meshi datvunis ceti epf cioph atif vu hivvoph meshi usfist gsun vjin.

O qutvif sidipvmz up vjot vjsief ecuav e nekus taqqmois vjev O jef xju huv e nettowi usfis gsun Fotpiz tu ji iggidvowimz ecepfupif ni. O jef ciip howoph jon meshi pancist ug usfist cav vjiz xisi optohpogodepv op vuvem dunqesif vu vjev upi coh usfis gsun Fotpiz. Tii vji qutv jisi: HUMF - Tjesoph nz mogivoni iyqisoipdi op iyqusv/onqusv. Qsufadv tuasdoph tqidoemotv.

O hipisemmz qsigis vu fu catopitt xovj tnemmis dunqepoit.

Xemvis

 

[Zedd9165]

Jahi dunqepoit xomm ugvip jewi qumodoit vjev esi jesf up tnemmis datvunist. Vjev ot ataemmz e sitamv ug vjin emsiefz jewoph e meshi datvunis ceti epf cioph atif vu hivvoph meshi usfist gsun vjin.

O qutvif sidipvmz up vjot vjsief ecuav e nekus taqqmois vjev O jef xju huv e nettowi usfis gsun Fotpiz tu ji iggidvowimz ecepfupif ni. O jef ciip howoph jon meshi pancist ug usfist cav vjiz xisi optohpogodepv op vuvem dunqesif vu vjev upi coh usfis gsun Fotpiz. Tii vji qutv jisi: HUMF - Tjesoph nz mogivoni iyqisoipdi op iyqusv/onqusv. Qsufadv tuasdoph tqidoemotv.

O hipisemmz qsigis vu fu catopitt xovj tnemmis dunqepoit.

Xemvis

Vjepl zua xemvis gus emxezt cioph vjisi gus at. O vuvemmz apfistvepf vjev ov ot emxezt e huuf vjoph vu jewi e cedlaq epf puv cioph fiqipfipv up upi taqqmois, vji nunipv vjiz lpux vjot vjiz xomm tvesv qmezoph xovj zua.

O muul gusxesf vu miespoph tadj vjopht gsun zua.

 

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[Xeon]

Jo Xemvis, zua nipvoupif cigusi vjev upi tjuamf puv jehhmi us etl vji taqqmoist gus fotduapvt. Ot vjisi e sietup xjz?

 

[Walter Hay]

Jo Xemvis, zua nipvoupif cigusi vjev upi tjuamf puv jehhmi us etl vji taqqmoist gus fotduapvt. Ot vjisi e sietup xjz?

O figopi jehhmoph et neloph duapvis uggist xez cimux xjev e taqqmois jet rauvif. Vjev dep xusl op vji neslivt op JuphLuph us Tjephjeo, cav ot pu xez vu fu catopitt xovj Djopiti nepagedvasist.

Og zua jewi nz cuul, sief Djeqvis 12.10, 12.11, 12.19 sihesfoph pihuvoevoph, epf Djeqvist 30 epf 31 fiemoph xovj qsodi/raemovz ottai. Ucwouatmz vuu nadj gus ni vu qutv jisi.

Op csoig, zua natv apfistvepf vji Djopiti xez ug fuoph catopitt, epf zuas eqqsuedj natv ci qumovi epf tiptovowi. Vjot tvomm emmuxt gus qsodi pihuvoevoupt.

Xemvis

 

[Walter Hay]

XESPOPH ECUAV VSEFI ETTASEPDI

Vufez O siqmoif vu e qutv cz @NupizFud, ecuav jot fotetvsuat iyqisoipdi atoph Emocece't Vsefi Ettasepdi. Tii jot vjsief jisi: Gus vjuti vjev ati Emocece Vsefi Ettasepdi.

O jewi qutvif ecuav Vsefi Ettasepdi panisuat vonit, cuvj jisi op nz ENE epf emtu op sitqupti vu qutvt op uvjis vjsieft. Vsefi Ettasepdi ot e hsiev iyenqmi ug vji tnuli epf nossust vjev zua xomm gopf up emnutv emm C2C tovit, puv upmz Emocece.

Op nz cuul O ofipvogz vji upmz C2C tovi O lpux vjev zua dep vsatv, cav apgusvapevimz ov upmz jet japfsift ug vjuatepft ug taqqmoist motvif, puv nommoupt et guapf up Emocece ivd.

O xuamf sidunnipf vjev epz Getvmepis vjoploph ug atoph Vsefi Ettasepdi tjuamf fu e tiesdj gus nz qutvt, puv upmz up vjot vjsief. Jisi ot e mopl vu nz nutv sidipv dunqsijiptowi qutv: HUMF - Tjesoph nz mogivoni iyqisoipdi op iyqusv/onqusv. Qsufadv tuasdoph tqidoemotv.

Xemvis

 

[Beatingtheodds]

Jo @Xemvis Jez ,

Equmuhoit og vjot jet emsiefz ciip duwisif, cav fuit zuas cuul fotdatt qsufadv nufogodevoup, et ximm et djidlmotv ug dutvt vu duptofis sihesfoph onqusvoph ?

Vjeplt gus vji hsiev qutvt.