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I can't even imagine how people way older than me can keep living without going crazy from all the trauma they've accumulated along the way.

Perhaps the next action is a simple one: you need to see a therapist to address the trauma, which seems to have kickstarted a downhill spiral. I think part of you understands that talking about it can help, which is why you feel reasonable to talk about it here ... in some aspect, it helps to share/talk. If not here, one on one with someone.

(there some posts on this forum too).

Several AYA stories posted on the INSIDERS forum.
 
I know you and I disagree on this... But, have you ever considered if your dismissal of using your very clear talent, intellect for something other than your own mental gocart track might be the culprit?

I have no clear talents. Just got lucky by being in the right place at the right time.

Have you considered starting a foundation about something you are passionate about? Something that does matter to you? Define what isn't meaningless to you and start there.

I have some time ago. Then realized it would make no difference anyway, other people do it better, and it would require too much work. And since I can't be bothered to do it, it's clear it's not that meaningful to me.

I think I have most interest in sports and nature as that helps me feel better but ultimately, as with other things, one engages in these activities to forget about the futility of life. We're speaking from two completely different perspectives so there's no way I can see things as you do (or you as me).

I watch you, as a friend, essentially waiting to die. I hate that for you man. You achieved what you set out to do, which is awesome, build a great lifestyle that fits your definition of a great lifestyle. Now you don't know what to do with yourself.

The greatest irony is that I'm waiting to die, yet terribly afraid of death at the same time...

Start with that traumatic event... What caused it? I don't need to know, but is it something you are passionate about preventing? Or even decreasing the likelihood of such an event for others?

Hard to prevent a sudden, unexpected death...

You know I am here for you brother and I believe in you.

Thanks, Kyle.

And here is the thing, meaning of life is one of those existential questions. We tend to ask it when we have too much free time. And down a rabbit hole we go.

From my point of view, doing something just to not have enough free time to think about it isn't solving the problem. The moment you aren't so busy you're back to square one, unless you plan to be busy your entire life, constantly dodging the reality.

Perhaps the next action is a simple one: you need to see a therapist to address the trauma, which seems to have kickstarted a downhill spiral. I think part of you understands that talking about it can help, which is why you feel reasonable to talk about it here ... in some aspect, it helps to share/talk. If not here, one on one with someone.

I've talked with a few people about this but it hasn't helped. I understand that not keeping it in might help but at the same time it's probably not just the trauma in itself but me being extremely weak. Other people have had way worse traumas and prosper.

Resilience: Hard-Won Wisdom for Living a Better Life

I read this book. All my respect for this guy ended when I read this after I finished his book and wanted to learn more about him:

On January 10, 2018, ahead of an investigative report released by St. Louis CBS affiliate KMOV the same evening, Greitens publicly disclosed that he had engaged in an extramarital affair with his hairstylist in 2015.[176] He and his wife issued a joint statement in which he acknowledged the affair, called it "a deeply personal mistake", and said that "we dealt with this together honestly and privately."[177] KMOV played a recording made by the hairstylist's then-husband in which she said that Greitens had invited her to his home, where she consented to having her hands taped to exercise rings above her head while she was undressed, after which she was blindfolded. In the recording, the hairstylist added that while she was blindfolded, Greitens took pictures of her without her consent and threatened to share them if she ever went public with the affair.[178] She alleges Greitens told her: "You're not going to mention my name. Don't even mention my name to anybody at all, because if you do, I'm going to take these pictures, and I'm going to put them everywhere I can. They are going to be everywhere, and then everyone will know what a little whore you are."[179] The woman tried to leave, but reported to a Special Investigative Committee on Oversight of the Missouri House of Representatives that Greitens pulled her into a "bear hug," "so that she was now lying on the basement floor, crying."[179] She further testified that Greitens then coerced her into performing oral sex on him, after which he permitted her to leave. The woman also testified to the committee that in a later encounter Greitens slapped her and that, in their final encounter, he "smacked [her] and grabbed [her] and shoved [her] down on the ground."[180]

What a hypocrite that guy is, talking about living a better life with principles and then doing this.

Then again, what else would you expect from a politician.
 
The greatest irony is that I'm waiting to die, yet terribly afraid of death at the same time...


As most here, I read lots of your post's and really just wish you to get better, in this regard, people who died and came back don't tell such a terrifiying story:











“The most glorious feeling”

In 1994, orthopedic surgeon Tony Cicoria called his mom from a pay phone during a lake house trip. They’d hung up but he still had the phone in his hand when a blue flash came out. He hadn’t realized there’d been a lightning storm brewing. He felt his body fly backward—and then, confusingly, forward. Cicoria turned around to see his own body lying on the ground. “I’m dead,” he thought. No grief. No ecstasy. Just a fact.

After watching a woman start CPR, Cicoria moved on, floating up the stairs to see his kids getting their faces painted, realizing that they’d be OK. “Then I was surrounded by a bluish-white light … an enormous feeling of well-being and peace,” he told the New Yorker. “The highest and lowest points of my life raced by me. I had the perception of accelerating, being drawn up… There was speed and direction. Then, as I was saying to myself, ‘This is the most glorious feeling I have ever had’—slam! I was back.” (Weird side note: The doctor who revived Cicoria became overwhelmed with the urge to play and write piano music.)
 
I have no clear talents. Just got lucky by being in the right place at the right time.



I have some time ago. Then realized it would make no difference anyway, other people do it better, and it would require too much work. And since I can't be bothered to do it, it's clear it's not that meaningful to me.

I think I have most interest in sports and nature as that helps me feel better but ultimately, as with other things, one engages in these activities to forget about the futility of life. We're speaking from two completely different perspectives so there's no way I can see things as you do (or you as me).



The greatest irony is that I'm waiting to die, yet terribly afraid of death at the same time...



Hard to prevent a sudden, unexpected death...



Thanks, Kyle.



From my point of view, doing something just to not have enough free time to think about it isn't solving the problem. The moment you aren't so busy you're back to square one, unless you plan to be busy your entire life, constantly dodging the reality.



I've talked with a few people about this but it hasn't helped. I understand that not keeping it in might help but at the same time it's probably not just the trauma in itself but me being extremely weak. Other people have had way worse traumas and prosper.



I read this book. All my respect for this guy ended when I read this after I finished his book and wanted to learn more about him:



What a hypocrite that guy is, talking about living a better life with principles and then doing this.

Then again, what else would you expect from a politician.
Bro, all I can really say at this point is that if you don’t decide to do something different than what you are doing, you can’t expect different or better.

Yet, this thread, in the past couple of days, is filled with suggestions and thoughts to try to help, all of which were, as expected, dismissed. The ideas that I presented were intentionally esoteric, leaving tons of latitude for you to find something that fits you. Still, dismissed. Not even slightly explored.

What do you have to lose for trying something? Anything? You hate your life and you’re terrified of death. You’re stuck in a pretty ugly place and making the decision to put the walls up and live there.

I won’t even pretend to understand how you are feeling. That’s not the point. I can’t and don’t. I just wish you well.
 
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There are some depression-related things that people, including doctors and therapists, regularly overlook. Maybe these will apply to @MTF or maybe not, but I think they are worth being aware of for anyone who is dealing with depressive experiences.

1. Get Your Testosterone Levels Checked
Thanks to aging, the body can produce less testosterone over time. If your T drops and your estrogen is still producing at the same rate, then you end up with too much estrogen. That will affect your emotions, energy levels, physical appearance, weight and mindset. Doctors usually don't think to check this in their haste to prescribe SSRIs.

2. Pay Attention to Inflammation
Low T can lead to inflammation. Inflammation can also come from the things you eat, toxins in your environment, viruses, and a bunch of other places. When the body gets inflamed, it affects the brain too.

Review your diet. Even "healthy" diets can have inflammatory foods. For instance, I eat almost exclusively organic, grass-fed grass-finished beef, organic veggies, organic almond butter blah blah... thing is, if I have more than a spoonful of almond butter per day, I've found my body will balloon right up with inflammation. Looks like I gained 10 pounds that week. So I have to manage that. I've heard 6 grams of sugar is all it takes to cause an inflammatory response (that's like 1 cookie).

3. A Good Therapist Matters
If you get a poor therapist who doesn't pay attention to their own language patterns, then they can accidentally plant negative thoughts in your mind that will cause you to feel worse after talking with them. This has happened to me before. I didn't understand why I felt so terrible after talking with the therapist, and it wasn't until reflecting back on the experience later that it started to make sense.

It might be worth finding a good conversational hypnotherapist since they understand the linguistic aspect better, and how important it is to manage subtle verbal commands. Regular therapists and doctors usually do not have training in hypnotherapy and are not aware of the ways in which their words can direct attention to the wrong places.

The T.V. show, Dexter featured a therapist named Emmett Meridian who used this exact approach to get his patients to off themselves. That isn't to say therapists are killers normally, but inexperience can lead to negative outcomes all the same, and you don't want to be on the wrong end of that.
 
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There are some depression-related things that people, including doctors and therapists, regularly overlook. Maybe these will apply to @MTF or maybe not, but I think they are worth being aware of for anyone who is dealing with depressive experiences.

1. Get Your Testosterone Levels Checked
Thanks to aging, the body can produce less testosterone over time. If your T drops and your estrogen is still producing at the same rate, then you end up with too much estrogen. That will affect your emotions, energy levels, physical appearance, weight and mindset. Doctors usually don't think to check this in their haste to prescribe SSRIs.

2. Pay Attention to Inflammation
Low T can lead to inflammation. Inflammation can also come from the things you eat, toxins in your environment, viruses, and a bunch of other places. When the body gets inflamed, it affects the brain too.

Review your diet. Even "healthy" diets can have inflammatory foods. For instance, I eat almost exclusively organic, grass-fed grass-finished beef, organic veggies, organic almond butter blah blah... thing is, if I have more than a spoonful of almond butter per day, I've found my body will balloon right up with inflammation. Looks like I gained 10 pounds that week. So I have to manage that. I've heard 6 grams of sugar is all it takes to cause an inflammatory response (that's like 1 cookie).

3. A Good Therapist Matters
If you get a poor therapist who doesn't pay attention to their own language patterns, then they can accidentally plant negative thoughts in your mind that will cause you to feel worse after talking with them. This has happened to me before. I didn't understand why I felt so terrible after talking with the therapist, and it wasn't until reflecting back on the experience later that it started to make sense.

It might be worth finding a good conversational hypnotherapist since they understand the linguistic aspect better, and how important it is to manage subtle verbal commands. Regular therapists and doctors usually do not have training in hypnotherapy and are not aware of the ways in which their words can direct attention to the wrong places.

The T.V. show, Dexter featured a therapist named Emmett Meridian who used this exact approach to get his patients to off themselves. That isn't to say therapists are killers normally, but inexperience can lead to negative outcomes all the same, and you don't want to be on the wrong end of that.
Great final point Lex! I didn't find therapy useful but loooove hypnotherapy. It's how I made my internal voice positive which has been invaluable.
 
I am thinking of buying reMarkable 2 - does anyone here own one? Thoughts?


My usage would be:
1. Read PDFs and mark them up directly.
2. Take notes during meetings (ditching my regular notepads)
3. Reading e-books when my kindle isn’t around


edit: :rofl: I lasted about half an hour and then pulled the trigger. Who cares, It will be either great or in a pile of electronic gadgets rarely used. This is all @Kak ‘s fault. Started with iPhone 13 pro and his “just buy the damn thing” attitude.
 
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There's too many books to read and very little time, so I'm gonna stick to this list for now
1. The millionaire fastlane (65% completed)
2. Spin Selling (to get good at sales)/ Unscripted
3. TGRRE
4. New Sales, Simplified.
5. Mindset.
 
As most here, I read lots of your post's and really just wish you to get better, in this regard, people who died and came back don't tell such a terrifiying story:

Thank you. I appreciate it.

I wish I could believe these stories but most scientists agree that we see what we believe we will see after we die, depending on our religion/personal beliefs. And the term clinical death isn't really death yet, just the first stage we can still go back from (so by definition, not death).

Having said that, I still find these stories curious (attempting to get more comfortable with the concept, I spent some time reading about various experiences/opinions what happens later), so thank you for sharing that.

Bro, all I can really say at this point is that if you don’t decide to do something different than what you are doing, you can’t expect different or better.

Yet, this thread, in the past couple of days, is filled with suggestions and thoughts to try to help, all of which were, as expected, dismissed. The ideas that I presented were intentionally esoteric, leaving tons of latitude for you to find something that fits you. Still, dismissed. Not even slightly explored.

What do you have to lose for trying something? Anything? You hate your life and you’re terrified of death. You’re stuck in a pretty ugly place and making the decision to put the walls up and live there.

I won’t even pretend to understand how you are feeling. That’s not the point. I can’t and don’t. I just wish you well.

I'm trying to do something about it. Currently en route to live in in the Canary Islands for a couple of months. I'll be able to do things I love most that boost my mood (surfing, swimming, hiking, enjoying nature and countryside) plus try some new stuff (I want to learn how to freedive and refocus on krav maga).

I hope it will help heal a little. It's likely that my depression is in large part fueled by the season (that's most certainly true as the symptoms reappear each year at roughly the same time) and by the place where I live (monotony, little growth).

There are some depression-related things that people, including doctors and therapists, regularly overlook. Maybe these will apply to @MTF or maybe not, but I think they are worth being aware of for anyone who is dealing with depressive experiences.

1. Get Your Testosterone Levels Checked
Thanks to aging, the body can produce less testosterone over time. If your T drops and your estrogen is still producing at the same rate, then you end up with too much estrogen. That will affect your emotions, energy levels, physical appearance, weight and mindset. Doctors usually don't think to check this in their haste to prescribe SSRIs.

2. Pay Attention to Inflammation
Low T can lead to inflammation. Inflammation can also come from the things you eat, toxins in your environment, viruses, and a bunch of other places. When the body gets inflamed, it affects the brain too.

Review your diet. Even "healthy" diets can have inflammatory foods. For instance, I eat almost exclusively organic, grass-fed grass-finished beef, organic veggies, organic almond butter blah blah... thing is, if I have more than a spoonful of almond butter per day, I've found my body will balloon right up with inflammation. Looks like I gained 10 pounds that week. So I have to manage that. I've heard 6 grams of sugar is all it takes to cause an inflammatory response (that's like 1 cookie).

3. A Good Therapist Matters
If you get a poor therapist who doesn't pay attention to their own language patterns, then they can accidentally plant negative thoughts in your mind that will cause you to feel worse after talking with them. This has happened to me before. I didn't understand why I felt so terrible after talking with the therapist, and it wasn't until reflecting back on the experience later that it started to make sense.

It might be worth finding a good conversational hypnotherapist since they understand the linguistic aspect better, and how important it is to manage subtle verbal commands. Regular therapists and doctors usually do not have training in hypnotherapy and are not aware of the ways in which their words can direct attention to the wrong places.

The T.V. show, Dexter featured a therapist named Emmett Meridian who used this exact approach to get his patients to off themselves. That isn't to say therapists are killers normally, but inexperience can lead to negative outcomes all the same, and you don't want to be on the wrong end of that.

Thank you, Lex.

I checked my (free) testosterone levels a month ago and they were fine.

As for inflammation, I also did tests that would indicate it and they showed nothing (unless I need a more sensitive test). Any resources that suggest what specific kinds of foods may cause that? How do you know it's really almond butter that's causing you these issues?

As for the third point - thanks for pointing it out. I'll keep that in mind if I'll look for one.
 
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One of the saddest things in today's world are people who meet with their friends or family only to play with their phones most of the time.

Today I saw a father with two teenage daughters in a restaurant. Most of the time, the girls played with their phones, ignoring the father or responding curtly in that vicious, cruel way only ungrateful teenagers are capable of. The resigned father pulled out his phone, too.

What a sad, sad thing.

I wished I could slap these girls and make them realize that one day they'll regret being glued to their stupid phones instead of enjoying a shared meal with their father.

If you're doing this while hanging out with your family or friends, just stop. It's one of the most disrespectful things you can do to someone. And if you really care that little about them that you prefer your phone, then just don't meet with them.
 
I actually agree with you @MTF regarding the meaningless bit. And I doubt any person of reasonable intelligence can really think it is ultimately meaningful (and yes, that’s an unapologetic challenge to anyone to prove otherwise).

I think most people talk about purpose and meaning largely as a means of marketing themselves and selling their ideas to others. People love aspiring to some greater meaning.

Does Elon Musk really believe that electric cars, going to Mars and all this stuff is ultimatey meaningful? Deep inside, I highly doubt it. But he’s managed to “convince” the market otherwise, and make himself very very rich in the process. And he’s done it by peddling meaning to them, knowing very well that human beings are suckers for deeper meaning.

Call me cynical, but this is what I think the reality is, even though you could never get someone like Elon to agree (too much self-interest in the opposite direction, of course).

But I don’t share your perspective. Yes, it is ultimately meaningless to build a huge company in the grand scheme of things. If there is no God, then obviously none of this matters. And if there is a God, then life in Heaven will be VERY different than earthly life, so once there, whatsoever you’ve done on earth will be irrelevant. Who will care whether you’ve built a giga corporation and provided value to millions or you just pushed keys in a corporation, had a nice family life, etc.? God certainly won’t - you’ll still be in Heaven, in ultimate bliss, just as blissful as the guy who added value.

But, and here’s where I differ from you, even though these things are not ultimately meaningful, they can still be meaningful to you. To you, it may be meaningful to become the kind of person who can build a billion dollar company for example.

Life doesn't require a deity to matter.

Our lives don't require external justification or validation, from other people or a deity.

The purpose of life is to be happy, find the things that mean something to you, and have more of them.

Whether that is building a healthy, loving family, developing a skill, or enjoying pursuits doesn't matter; as long as they hold meaning to you.
 
Any resources that suggest what specific kinds of foods may cause that? How do you know it's really almond butter that's causing you these issues?

I don't have any specific resources. My diet is super simple. Mostly a result of reduction over time. I can tell you the ingredients I eat from one week to the next off the top of my head. If you eat simple enough, then it's easy to figure out what's causing issues just by removing suspected culprits.

Do you think hypnotherapy is better than other forms of therapy (CBT, Act, etc.) and if so why?

I wouldn't say it's better necessarily. Just another tool for the toolbox. CBT therapists are often trained in hypnotherapy, so there can be overlap between the two.

I'm not a therapist, so I can't speak from experience about which approach works best for patients. That said, I prefer Dr. Albert Ellis's Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy (REBT) since it can be used by the individual experiencing mental challenges without necessarily needing to involve a therapist.

Ellis's book A Guide to Rational Living covers the approach well enough.
 
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Fact checkers are a great business model. Not only do they fill the need people have to know the "truth" but companies and public figures spend millions on PR and will send you a lot of money to make them look good
 
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Fact checkers are a great business model. Not only do they fill the need people have to know the "truth" but companies and public figures spend millions on PR and will send you a lot of money to make them look good
It’s so refreshing for someone to truly get it and see it for exactly what it is.
 
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Building a huge corporation sounds like a nightmare, perhaps even worse than working for one. I love my freedom and don't want to trade it for something that would ultimately lead me to the exact same place I am in now (reminds me of that "Mexican Fisherman" story).
I’m with you on this. As we all know, there’s many ways to skin a cat.

When people pursue these big ideas, they're merely distracting themselves from the fact that it's all meaningless. I'm aware this sounds very nihilistic but it doesn't make it any less true.
“It doesn’t make it any less true” … for you, at this moment. Maybe your opinion will change over time? I personally find so much of life fascinating and genuinely awesome. I marvel at a child bursting with pride because you praise them in public, or a dog unable to walk straight because it’s wagging it’s tail furiously.

I'm barely in my early thirties and my life has already turned much darker after a traumatic event two years ago that still haunts me to this day.
Life is bitter-sweet. I didn’t appreciate life and what I have until I lost my brother then dad. I wasn’t sleeping properly (still aren’t tbh) and my wife sent me to see the doctor to check I wasn’t depressed. He said I wasn’t depressed, just sad. With that incredible sadness comes a new appreciation. Life is a gift. Life is short. What will you do with it?

I can't even imagine how people way older than me can keep living without going crazy from all the trauma they've accumulated along the way.
Ask them? Ask if they have any regrets. Ask how they keep going when they’ve experienced so much trauma and loss. Those old dears sitting on a bench watching us scurry about in a rush? They often have a slight smile on their face. I expect some actually see the wind move the leaves in the trees. Maybe they’ve found a peace that allows them to sleep at night?
 
It’s so refreshing for someone to truly get it and see it for exactly what it is.
The phrase common sense is becoming increasingly ironic.

Phoned up regarding possibly staying on with my phone provider. Their 'upgrades' include signing up to a 24 month plan than I can get on a rolling contract elsewhere, unless I downgrade to 50GB monthly data, then it's a significant saving... my average data usage is 220GB.
 
Phoned up regarding possibly staying on with my phone provider. Their 'upgrades' include signing up to a 24 month plan than I can get on a rolling contract elsewhere, unless I downgrade to 50GB monthly data, then it's a significant saving... my average data usage is 220GB.

I'm in the market for a new ISP. My current one offers a plan that is double the speed of my current one at a lower price. I called them asking if they could just move my account to that plan.

The answer? "It's only for new users, so you have to first close the current contract then start a new one."

Canceling a ISP contract is painful and takes weeks.

I can't wait to move to an entirely new ISP soon.
 
I’m with you on this. As we all know, there’s many ways to skin a cat.


“It doesn’t make it any less true” … for you, at this moment. Maybe your opinion will change over time? I personally find so much of life fascinating and genuinely awesome. I marvel at a child bursting with pride because you praise them in public, or a dog unable to walk straight because it’s wagging it’s tail furiously.


Life is bitter-sweet. I didn’t appreciate life and what I have until I lost my brother then dad. I wasn’t sleeping properly (still aren’t tbh) and my wife sent me to see the doctor to check I wasn’t depressed. He said I wasn’t depressed, just sad. With that incredible sadness comes a new appreciation. Life is a gift. Life is short. What will you do with it?


Ask them? Ask if they have any regrets. Ask how they keep going when they’ve experienced so much trauma and loss. Those old dears sitting on a bench watching us scurry about in a rush? They often have a slight smile on their face. I expect some actually see the wind move the leaves in the trees. Maybe they’ve found a peace that allows them to sleep at night?
Great post Andy.

MTF is struggling but this too shall pass. If you let it. If you open up to the idea that the questions you ask cannot be answered with simple logic, they reside on an emotional level.

How can you appreciate a dog wagging tail so hard it can't walk straight? It's not a logical argument, it's something you feel.

When people say "what's the meaning of life?" I often feel it's like asking "how does colour white taste and smell like?". You could look for logical arguments to feel different but you won't find them. Have you ever told someone else "stop feeling so angry!" Did it ever work? Or "why are you so sensitive?" - did that work?

The directionality of how we feel is usually backwards too. Most people think "when I get this or that, I'll feel this way or that way". But in reality being happy is a fleeting moment after some action. We can be in a state of flow writing a piece, then for a brief moment feel a sense of happiness. As soon as we realize we are happy, that feeling just goes away, it is not totally gone but is reduced to barely noticeable. The other day I went for a run and 2km into it started feeling a rush of positive emotion, I could feel the fresh air entering my lungs, colour of the trees and road were move vivid. I even noticed the most minor things and saw beauty in them - like a neighbour's house with wood and beams. I had a grin on my face and was just happy. I then noticed how happy I was and poof, it all went away and I was back to "normal". Not sad, but "normal" in a way that most of our lives we notice less and are comfortably numb.

Nothing I say to you @MTF can make you feel better, only what you do can. There is meaning to life that cannot be logically described but can be felt and should be felt.
 
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Is your business struggling to pay the bills?

Can't find good workers because government decided to print trillions of dollars and pay people to sit at home?

Well, accelerate your bankruptcy by
giving everyone a raise !
 
Facebook and Instagram have been down for a bit ... and I can almost feel the world is already a better place.
 

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