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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 11071" data-quote="DayIFly" data-source="post: 991286" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991286" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991286">DayIFly said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I tried to understand the geopolitics behind it. It seems like Russia doesn&#039;t want the Ukraine to become a member of NATO, because for them NATO is an extension of US influence. And coincidentally, new military bases seem to be strategically placed in such a way that in the future they would provide the US with first strike capabilities with the European nations as a shield. Russian missiles would need to fly over the ocean, but American ones are placed at their border and would arrive in minutes. Which would make them a vassal state negotiation-wise. If this is the long-term outlook for them, I honestly don&#039;t see any other option than what they&#039;re doing now. Or am I wrong? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Nailed it completely. This war would have eventually come given NATO&#039;s expansion eastward towards Russia. It&#039;s like Russia expanding in Latin America or Canada. No way the US can accept that.<br /> <br /> I only hope that Putin is going to end this quick, get it done and over with to stop more civilians from getting killed. Displace the government, install a puppet government if they have to, and let everyone get on with their lives. Zelensky himself is a US puppet who was put in place after the US staged a color revolution a decade ago to overthrow their previous government.<br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 89181" data-quote="Mathuin" data-source="post: 991359" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991359" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991359">Mathuin said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> *Bad thing happens*<br /> <br /> Celebrities: “How can I make this about me?”<br /> <br /> <div class="bbOembed bbMediaJustifier" data-media-site-id="twitter" data-media-key="1496877541772062727" data-xf-init="oembed" data-provider="twitter" data-id="1496877541772062727"> <a href="https://twitter.com/x/status/1496877541772062727" rel="external" target="_blank"><i class="fa--xf fab fa-twitter fa-twitter-square "><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" role="img" aria-hidden="true" ><use href="/community/data/local/icons/brands.svg?v=1749395433#twitter"></use></svg></i> https://twitter.com/x/status/1496877541772062727</a> </div><i><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/IAMannalynnemcc/status/1496877541772062727" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">View: https://mobile.twitter.com/IAMannalynnemcc/status/1496877541772062727</a></span></i> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> That&#039;s not all. I see some smaller brands on Twitter posting flat images of the Ukraine flag with their logo on top of that, saying they &quot;stand with Ukraine&quot;. Insensitive and crude.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><i> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="311467" data-url="https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.business-standard.com/article-amp/international/russia-ukraine-live-updates-putin-stock-market-india-russia-vladimir-putin-world-usa-highlights-122022500175_1.html" data-host="www.google.com" data-pending="false"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fbsmedia.business-standard.com%2F_media%2Fbs%2Fimg%2Farticle%2F2022-02%2F24%2Ffull%2F1645711961-8491.jpg&amp;hash=690332e18bf99da72028dc9679266afb&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.google.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.business-standard.com/article-amp/international/russia-ukraine-live-updates-putin-stock-market-india-russia-vladimir-putin-world-usa-highlights-122022500175_1.html" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> LIVE news: President Zelensky says Ukraine &#039;left alone&#039; to fight Russia </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Live news updates: Russian forces invade Ukraine in a massed assault by land, sea and air, the biggest attack by one state against another in Europe since World War Two.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Famp%2Fs%2Fwap.business-standard.com%2Farticle-amp%2Finternational%2Frussia-ukraine-live-updates-putin-stock-market-india-russia-vladimir-putin-world-usa-highlights-122022500175_1.html%2F&amp;hash=4d99f5ad4ade9343592ec766dc03b3e9&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.google.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.google.com </div> </div> </div> </div> </i><br /> <br /> Zelensky was probably betting that NATO will put troops on the ground which was why he behaved in that hardheaded manner that he did and escalated tensions with Russia.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 36008" data-quote="DWX" data-source="post: 991362" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991362" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991362">DWX said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> This lecture explains the conflict well. (It’s also six years old and eerie as hell given current times.)<br /> <br /> As someone who has only learned about this conflict through mainstream sources, I now understand why Russia has reacted in this way.<br /> <br /> It doesn’t make it right - ultimately, a country and her people are now facing grave perils - but it does shed light on the motivations.<br /> <br /> Worth a watch if you have time.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbMediaWrapper" data-media-site-id="youtube" data-media-key="JrMiSQAGOS4"> <div class="bbMediaWrapper-inner"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/JrMiSQAGOS4?wmode=opaque" loading="lazy" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe> </div> </div><i><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">View: https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4</a></span></i> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Haven&#039;t seen this before. Confirmation bias galore. I guess I&#039;m glad that it&#039;s supporting basically all of the conclusions I&#039;ve reached independently. I like how he&#039;s calling out the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; that is still being perpetuated even today...<br /> <br /> Was checking the news for a bit on TV and all they were talking about is how &quot;insane&quot; and &quot;irrational&quot; Putin is and generally ad hominem attacking him without any real coverage about the why and how these things are happening. What a waste of time. <br /> <br /> How can people be surprised that all of this is happening? It&#039;s an ongoing process for over a decade! It&#039;s like watching a trainwreck in slow motion... Is it ignorance? Or just an inability to look at alternative perspectives.<br /> <br /> This professor of polsci must be deluded, too, I guess.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">From Zelensky himself (Feb 25 Ukraine Time): <br /> <br /> Speaking in the early hours of the morning from Kiev, Zelensky said he had reached out to <i>“partners”</i> in the West to tell them Ukraine’s fate was at stake.<br /> <br /> <i>“I asked them – are you with us?”</i> Zelensky said. <i>“They answered that they are with us, but they don’t want to take us into the alliance. I’ve asked 27 leaders of Europe, if Ukraine will be in NATO, I’ve asked them directly — all are afraid and did not respond” <br /> <br /> “We were left by ourselves. Who is ready to go to war for us? Honestly, I don’t see anybody. Who is ready to give Ukraine guarantees of NATO membership? Honestly, everybody is afraid,”</i> the Ukrainian president added.<br /> <br /> Russia sent troops into Ukraine on Thursday, with President Vladimir Putin declaring a special military operation to <i>“demilitarize and de-nazify”</i> Ukraine. Moscow has since told Kiev that it would consider negotiating with the Zelensky government if it agrees to discuss neutral status for the country, among other things.<br /> <br /> In an address on Friday, Zelensky said that he is open to talk about Ukraine’s potential neutral status, but insisted that his country needs third party guarantees. <br /> <br /> <i>“We are not not afraid of Russia, we are not afraid to talk with Russia, talk about everything: security guarantees for our country and a neutral status. But we are not in NATO now – what security guarantees will we have? Which countries will give them?”</i> he said, before adding that there should be talks that could bring an end to the Russian military offensive.<br /> <br /> Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Thursday that <i>“neutral status and rejection of hosting [offensive] weapons systems”</i>are Putin’s <i>“red lines”</i> for Ukraine and that the ball was now in Kiev&#039;s court.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85205" data-quote="thechosen1" data-source="post: 991365" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991365" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991365">thechosen1 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> based on what?<br /> <br /> Just because you manage to stay on good terms with someone, doesn&#039;t mean you are their partner. I believe they used to call that diplomacy. Peacekeeping.<br /> <br /> At least, when other people did that, it was called diplomacy. For four years, Putin didn&#039;t move an inch on his conquest goals. I don&#039;t see how anybody can say Trump gave him a free pass or anything. He took Crimea in 2014, during the Obama years, and is taking the rest of Ukraine now, during Biden&#039;s years. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Hey, I have no idea. I&#039;m just prepping. What you say sounds great. It&#039;s just that Putin&#039;s strategy could be conceived as old fashioned divide and conquer. This country is F*cked socially. It seems pretty clear that he wants to destabilize us, which is a pretty easy thing to not want to do. Plus, hey, don&#039;t invade countries, is that so hard?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85205" data-quote="thechosen1" data-source="post: 991365" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991365" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991365">thechosen1 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I don&#039;t see how anybody can say Trump gave him a free pass or anything. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>C’on man, this is your 3rd Trump post. It’s getting annoying. Just because you can’t see it, doesn’t mean it isn’t there. But I don’t want to derail this thread with a talk about imbecile past president.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 55234" data-quote="Antifragile" data-source="post: 991372" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991372" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991372">Antifragile said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> C’on man, this is your 3rd Trump post. It’s getting annoying. Just because you can’t see it, doesn’t mean it isn’t there. But I don’t want to derail this thread with a talk about imbecile past president. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I said the first one and everyone of course made it all about him. It’s just fun to point out how people will take a situation like this... Russia invading Ukraine in 2022... and somehow blame it on the last guy, no longer in office...in America. It’s just odd.<br /> <br /> It was a reply. <br /> <br /> Deleting the rest because my opinion won’t change yours.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><b>Moscow is willing to negotiate terms of surrender with Kyiv, Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov. In exchange Ukraine would: a guarantee of neutral status and the promise of no weapons on its territory. Per RT.</b><br /> <br /> Question is - does he give in to Moscow? As saddening this may sound (surrendering your own Country because of an aggressor), I think at this point, to spare further bloodshed and to preserve civilian lives, this might be his only choice and it&#039;s something Zelensky has hinted towards literally hours ago:<br /> <br /> <i><b>&quot;But they don’t want to take us into the alliance&quot; (they = NATO).</b><br /> &quot;<b>Who is ready to go to war for us? Honestly, I don’t see anybody.&quot;</b></i></div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">All I have to say regarding the USA is how stupid we are.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbOembed bbMediaJustifier" data-media-site-id="twitter" data-media-key="1496989107943358467" data-xf-init="oembed" data-provider="twitter" data-id="1496989107943358467"> <a href="https://twitter.com/x/status/1496989107943358467" rel="external" target="_blank"><i class="fa--xf fab fa-twitter fa-twitter-square "><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" role="img" aria-hidden="true" ><use href="/community/data/local/icons/brands.svg?v=1749395433#twitter"></use></svg></i> https://twitter.com/x/status/1496989107943358467</a> </div><i><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://twitter.com/nickgillespie/status/1496989107943358467?s=20&amp;t=jkM4FnLxnbrlmYF0ZPmUsg" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">View: https://twitter.com/nickgillespie/status/1496989107943358467?s=20&amp;t=jkM4FnLxnbrlmYF0ZPmUsg</a></span></i><br /> <br /> <br /> John Kerry couldn&#039;t be dumber. We should have been focusing on more fracking, drilling and become energy independent and maybe an exporter. Instead, we focus on political correctness, gender, race, going &quot;woke&quot; and worrying about climate change. Wind and solar will not save us.<br /> <br /> Inflation will now get much worse and we have only ourselves to blame. I hated Trump and the Biden admin is even worse. I just shake my head in disgust. I personally don&#039;t think we should get involved but I also think we could be more independent than dealing with these bad actors.<br /> <br /> Expect more pain in the USA (and Europe even more).</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">If we have another Cold War with Russia, American defense contractors will make a ton of money over the next few decades. Money that could have been spent paying down our National Debt. It seems like someone is flying this plane right in to a mountain, and no one can do anything about it.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 14562" data-quote="loop101" data-source="post: 991384" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991384" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991384">loop101 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Money that could have been spent paying down our National Debt. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Comical. <br /> <br /> I don&#039;t buy it, call me crazy. <br /> When we see footage of both sides and bullets flying while people all over social media are being seen driving out the cities with mattresses tied to the roof of their cars Im calling B.S.<br /> <br /> This is 2022, not 1982. Can&#039;t trust anything at face value anymore.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85205" data-quote="thechosen1" data-source="post: 991365" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991365" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991365">thechosen1 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> based on what?<br /> <br /> Just because you manage to stay on good terms with someone, doesn&#039;t mean you are their partner. I believe they used to call that diplomacy. Peacekeeping.<br /> <br /> At least, when other people did that, it was called diplomacy. For four years, Putin didn&#039;t move an inch on his conquest goals. I don&#039;t see how anybody can say Trump gave him a free pass or anything. He took Crimea in 2014, during the Obama years, and is taking the rest of Ukraine now, during Biden&#039;s years. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Trump, Biden, Obama, or any politician is not your friend. They are there for their own self interest or agenda. Stop defending Trump or any other politician. They are all sh*t heads.<br /> <br /> I find it crazy that people are willing to fight physically or verbally with other people for a politician(or anyone) that doesn’t even know your name.<br /> <br /> Leave that sh*t to the sheep my man. I know your smarter than that.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 59606" data-quote="lludwig" data-source="post: 991379" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991379" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991379">lludwig said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> All I have to say regarding the USA is how stupid we are.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbOembed bbMediaJustifier" data-media-site-id="twitter" data-media-key="1496989107943358467" data-xf-init="oembed" data-provider="twitter" data-id="1496989107943358467"> <a href="https://twitter.com/x/status/1496989107943358467" rel="external" target="_blank"><i class="fa--xf fab fa-twitter fa-twitter-square "><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" role="img" aria-hidden="true" ><use href="/community/data/local/icons/brands.svg?v=1749395433#twitter"></use></svg></i> https://twitter.com/x/status/1496989107943358467</a> </div><i><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://twitter.com/nickgillespie/status/1496989107943358467?s=20&amp;t=jkM4FnLxnbrlmYF0ZPmUsg" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">View: https://twitter.com/nickgillespie/status/1496989107943358467?s=20&amp;t=jkM4FnLxnbrlmYF0ZPmUsg</a></span></i><br /> <br /> <br /> John Kerry couldn&#039;t be dumber. We should have been focusing on more fracking, drilling and become energy independent and maybe an exporter. Instead, we focus on political correctness, gender, race, going &quot;woke&quot; and worrying about climate change.<br /> <br /> Inflation will now get much worse and we have only ourselves to blame. I hated Trump and the Biden admin is even worse. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I read we became an energy exporter in 2019 and 20. Did that change? I don&#039;t think the stats for 2021 have been compiled yet.<br /> <br /> We&#039;re not energy independent, but with our own coal and natural gas powering our power plants, increased near-record pumping of our own oil, combined with investments in the solar grid, more fuel efficient cars, a big push for transportation to go electric, I mean, we&#039;re closer to energy independence than we&#039;ve been in my lifetime. Electric cars are sexy now. Our oil imports are at pre-1995 levels, which is impressive considering our population growth, though surely lockdowns have a role to play in that as well. But they were on the decline in 2019 too.<br /> <br /> What more did you want? Mandates?<br /> <br /> Of course none of this makes John Kerry smart. Our leaders are unbelievably tone deaf. He thought we were past the era of threatened international borders? Good grief. And that guy used to be Secretary of State.<br /> <br /> Biden says America stands up to bullies. Putin moves 100,000+ soldiers into Ukraine so Biden sends 7,000 soldiers... To Germany.<br /> <br /> My dad pointed out old men have trouble standing up.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 81807" data-quote="Prince33" data-source="post: 991386" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991386" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991386">Prince33 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Comical.<br /> <br /> I don&#039;t buy it, call me crazy.<br /> When we see footage of both sides and bullets flying while people all over social media are being seen driving out the cities with mattresses tied to the roof of their cars Im calling B.S.<br /> <br /> This is 2022, not 1982. Can&#039;t trust anything at face value anymore. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>What? Ok, you&#039;re crazy.<br /> <br /> Apparently someone is trying to give Black_Dragon competition for the forum&#039;s 2022 Rivoli Of The Year award...</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/f3bfc15b-9f39-4e54-83fd-52a45ac7742c-webp.42302/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/38/38928-edc930157e7754aa5a461a4182440d1c.jpg?hash=vGy0jQQGbz" class="bbImage " style="" alt="F3BFC15B-9F39-4E54-83FD-52A45AC7742C.webp" title="F3BFC15B-9F39-4E54-83FD-52A45AC7742C.webp" width="224" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/881d4830-86dc-46eb-9963-07baf797336a-webp.42301/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/38/38927-2b4e420524c7c179a1b47ab915194545.jpg?hash=wURg-3T-Ph" class="bbImage " style="" alt="881D4830-86DC-46EB-9963-07BAF797336A.webp" title="881D4830-86DC-46EB-9963-07BAF797336A.webp" width="200" height="254" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> Can a war finally wake people up enough to end this pathetic woke garbage. <br /> <br /> It really puts things in perspective. It was mentioned earlier on this thread that the west are busy hiding from a virus, destroying their economy’s and dollars, trying not to offend a man who says they are a women while Russia is busy working.<br /> <br /> The women above saying she wishes she was putins mother and that idiot saying they’re going to catch covid makes me think not.<br /> <br /> How the F*ck do we actually fix the west? <br /> <br /> Also, if covid wasn’t enough to do it, maybe China invading Taiwan will be. It’s time to bring back local manufacturing.<br /> <br /> My predictions. Russia drains the swamp in Ukraine. Biden’s approval rating hits 0. People wake up and realise they need some actual leaders and vote trump back in.<br /> <br /> No WW3, not even close. <br /> <br /> I hope I’m right, I’m taking the positive approach. <br /> <br /> Yes some of this is offtopic and yes some of this is about trump sorry antifragile, no I’m not using a war and peoples suffering to push some kind of point or agenda I think it’s a relevant part of the prediction in a sense that for us lucky not to be in Ukraine this is how I think we will be affected.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/msg-webp.42303/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/38/38929-cd6557098e3bd93b8fc877672d60e06d.jpg?hash=xPcHtNObXj" class="bbImage " style="" alt="msg.png" title="msg.png" width="200" height="203" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> Messages from a family member. Asking about their parent&#039;s safety, it seems like they&#039;ve been taken by Russian forces without a fight. They live at home but their city has been taken over by Russian forces.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 53200" data-quote="Antti" data-source="post: 991262" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991262" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991262">Antti said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> That&#039;s all true but then Ukraine will be a Russian puppet state for the foreseeable future. If they want to stay independent the only option is to fight back and try to inflict casualties on Russians. Steady stream of Russian soldiers going back home in bodybags can turn public opinion against Putin surprisingly quickly. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> The worst thing that can happen in this conflict is for the Ukrainians and Russians to drag this into a neverending war like what&#039;s going on in some countries in the middle east. Looking at how the world is cheering on for Ukrainians to fight the Russians to the last man, I fear the worst will come true.<br /> <br /> Honestly, if the world really wants to help Ukraine, stop donating or funding their military and let Putin end this quick. Ukraine may become Belarus but at least the people can get on with their lives and jobs instead of living in fear with missiles flying over their heads. This sounds very unpatriotic and spineless but I&#039;m viewing this entirely from a human lives angle.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 50816" data-quote="Xeon" data-source="post: 991398" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991398" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991398">Xeon said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> This sounds very unpatriotic and spineless but I&#039;m viewing this entirely from a human lives angle. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I suppose your advice would be the same for Poland, Taiwan, Lithuania, etc? Why stop there? Let Putin invade east Germany, China invade India.<br /> <br /> As long as everybody lays down arms and little to no lives are lost, everybody can get on with their lives... <br /> <br /> You&#039;re right. This does sound spineless. What kind of life is worth living if nothing in life is worth fighting for?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 72777" data-quote="BizyDad" data-source="post: 991400" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991400" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991400">BizyDad said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I suppose your advice would be the same for Poland, Taiwan, Lithuania, etc? Why stop there? Let Putin invade east Germany, China invade India.<br /> <br /> As long as everybody lays down arms and little to no lives are lost, everybody can get on with their lives...<br /> <br /> You&#039;re right. This does sound spineless. What kind of life is worth living if nothing in life is worth fighting for? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Yeah sure but for how long and at what cost?<br /> <br /> I mean, if the Ukrainians want to fight endless decades of war, are ok with no jobs, constantly living in fear, in a constant state of hunger, then God bless them.<br /> <br /> If the enemy they&#039;re facing right now is someone they can defeat in weeks or months, sure. But Russia has not even gotten serious in the war, Moscow is intact and Ukraine is already in ruins. *facepalm*</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 50816" data-quote="Xeon" data-source="post: 991402" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991402" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991402">Xeon said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Yeah sure but for how long and at what cost?<br /> <br /> I mean, if the Ukrainians want to fight endless decades of war, are ok with no jobs, constantly living in fear, in a constant state of hunger, then God bless them.<br /> <br /> If the enemy they&#039;re facing right now is someone they can defeat in weeks or months, sure. But Russia has not even gotten serious in the war, Moscow is intact and Ukraine is already in ruins. *facepalm* </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>It has been estimated that 75% of Russian conventional forces are tied in this operation. Do you think they can continue that for decades? Putin is counting on this being a quick and relatively painless (for Russians) operation. A prolonged war could be catastrophic for him.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I don&#039;t know who to believe. <br /> <br /> Do I believe Putin when he says that he just wants to make Ukraine a buffer zone and leave the rest alone? Or do I believe the other side&#039;s propaganda, that says Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet empire and storm into Romania, Poland, Lithuania, and the Czech Republic? <br /> <br /> My gut tells me the former. <br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 100104" data-quote="doster.zach" data-source="post: 991267" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991267" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991267">doster.zach said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/42289/" target="_blank">View attachment 42289</a><br /> <br /> The real threat. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Please, step it up.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="Idealisticbaboon_c071b8_9375076.png" data-src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.discordapp.com%2Fattachments%2F463065037104218128%2F946648557052629033%2FIdealisticbaboon_c071b8_9375076.png&amp;hash=49c444c099f07eef698aae3e93ca53b6" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.discordapp.com%2Fattachments%2F463065037104218128%2F946648557052629033%2FIdealisticbaboon_c071b8_9375076.png&amp;hash=49c444c099f07eef698aae3e93ca53b6" data-url="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463065037104218128/946648557052629033/Idealisticbaboon_c071b8_9375076.png" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="Idealisticbaboon_c071b8_9375076.png" title="" width="" height="" loading="lazy" /> </div><br /> <br /> As for the war itself...I don&#039;t know.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 58450" data-quote="Madame Peccato" data-source="post: 991410" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991410" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991410">Madame Peccato said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I don&#039;t know who to believe.<br /> <br /> Do I believe Putin when he says that he just wants to make Ukraine a buffer zone and leave the rest alone? Or do I believe the other side&#039;s propaganda, that says Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet empire and storm into Romania, Poland, Lithuania, and the Czech Republic?<br /> <br /> My gut tells me the former.<br /> ... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>This is just the way they frame this.<br /> <br /> Russia wants a multipolar world order where the US cannot dictate the terms of deals or else ... but has to negotiate to get things.<br /> All of this is primarily about the economy, less about territory. The west frames this as &quot;a maniac wants the Cold War times back&quot;.<br /> But while Putin is not that kind of maniac, at the same time Russia will take this further (economically speaking) and make sure that the global dominance of the US has an end.<br /> On the way there anything war related is in the cards, but not in the &quot;conquer the world&quot; sense, but as a means to an end.<br /> <br /> I personally have not read it, but from what I have heard if you read Brzezinski&#039;s &quot;The Grand Chessboard&quot; you can see past the emotional spins that both sides add to the narrative right now.<br /> <br /> I think even back then it was suggested (by think tanks) that the Ukraine is a perfect candidate to force Russia&#039;s hand.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Just saw the latest Zelensky speech video on Reddit.<br /> <br /> 1) He says Moscow wants to negotiate on Ukraine&#039;s neutral status<br /> <br /> 2) He wants Ukraine to join NATO <span style="font-size: 22px">-_-</span></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 81807" data-quote="Prince33" data-source="post: 991386" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991386" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991386">Prince33 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Comical.<br /> <br /> I don&#039;t buy it, call me crazy.<br /> When we see footage of both sides and bullets flying while people all over social media are being seen driving out the cities with mattresses tied to the roof of their cars Im calling B.S.<br /> <br /> This is 2022, not 1982. Can&#039;t trust anything at face value anymore. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I don&#039;t understand your point. My point is that America would be better off getting out of debt, instead of incurring more debt, but we seemed destined to financially self-destruct.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47734" data-quote="Black_Dragon43" data-source="post: 991420" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991420" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991420">Black_Dragon43 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It’s sad to see so many here falling for Russian propaganda…<br /> <br /> Russia is the enemy of the West and our values - freedom, democracy, rule of law and free market capitalism. There is no if or but here.<br /> <br /> Russian aggression in Ukraine is not justified and Russia has no reasonable grievances to speak of. They have been trying to provoke the Ukranians for months now into conflict. Putin has lied repeatedly, just a few days ago he has said he has no plans to invade Ukraine and now lo and behold, a well-planned campaign is under way.<br /> <br /> I hate to break it to some of you, but there is good and evil in the world. It’s not all a grey, complex mess as some of you like to think it is. It is precisely this “widsom” of seeing everything in grey and being unable to see white and black that has crippled us - we are no longer able to differentiate good from evil.<br /> <br /> Putin is a dictator and a killer - someone who has personally ordered the MURDER of his opposition in brutal ways, including through radioactive poisoning ON FOREIGN TERRITORY. If you think he has any “principles” or that you can trust his word or negotiate with him, you still don’t understand who you’re dealing with. Putin does not negotiate.<br /> <br /> For those who think Ukraine or the International Community should give in to Russia’s demands to avoid war, this is a big error. First of all, Russia knows that if Ukraine does not enter NATO, then it will be colonised - by Russia. Sooner or later, Russia will get a puppet government in there… by force, by election, by hook or crook, it doesn’t matter. Ukraine will become like Belarus today.<br /> <br /> Zelensky knows that the only hope his country has is to enter NATO - then Russia cannot interfere as easily. Not that they won’t… they’ll simply say that they don’t consider Ukraine joininig is valid… just like how they recognize two independent countries within Ukraine’s borders despite what the rest of the International Community says.<br /> <br /> Without entering NATO, there will be NO UKRAINE. Now, Putin has no right to demand control over another nation’s destiny. And such demand is so absurd, that it should not be tolerated or even considered. It doesn’t matter what Ukraine’s history was - point is Ukraine is now an independent country and has to be respected as such. Putin’s demands are a blatant infringement of international laws. In my opinion, the international community should put a blockade on Russia’s oil, close down Russia’s access to international waters, and demand that Putin stop the invasion and guarantee that he will not continue Russian expansion beyond territories he has already gained in Georgia, Belarus and parts of Ukraine. And NO GUARANTEE that Ukraine will not join NATO - they’re a free country and he needs to respect that.<br /> <br /> 50% of Russia’s income comes from oil and gas. Just turn it off. Pay double the price, buy it from the Americans (as Trump wanted), until Putin gives in. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I&#039;ve read that the Ukraine leader closed newspapers who were talking about him and locked up his competitors and who knows, maybe he killed a few people himself. Everyone&#039;s saying we are fighting democracy but Ukraine doesn&#039;t sound much like a democracy if that is true.<br /> <br /> Imagine Biden locking up Trump and shutting down Fox News because they were on the right.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Nobody would or should support suppressing the Press. But its definitely depressing to see people here trying to rationalise the insane ambitions of a Fascist dictator. Putin has always in ALL his writings from his earliest days in power wrote about taking back Ukraine as it was the jewel in the crown of the Russian Empire.<br /> <br /> Ukraine knew from day one of independence the precarious position they were in so they did EVERYTHING in their power to keep Russia happy. They even wrote it into law that they wouldn&#039;t join Nato.<br /> <br /> The rational response from Russia would have been to help Ukraine reach peace and prosperity and develop the best relations possible but fascist dictators are NOT rational actors. Instead Russia began underminig Ukraine in every way pushing the Ukranians towards Nato and the West.<br /> <br /> No one in their right mind would like to see any country end up like Belarus, a grotesque fascist puppet state under Putins direct control.<br /> <br /> And as for Trump I don&#039;t think the American public know just how close they came to a a coup d&#039;état. <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001324r/episodes/downloads" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">BBC Radio 4 - The Coming Storm - Downloads</a><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/trump-putin-webp.42304/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/38/38930-83a27311cbe330c92afce64015d39164.jpg?hash=hIdm5uuO5t" class="bbImage " style="" alt="Trump Putin.jpg" title="Trump Putin.jpg" width="320" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a></div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 72777" data-quote="BizyDad" data-source="post: 991388" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991388" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991388">BizyDad said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What? Ok, you&#039;re crazy.<br /> <br /> Apparently someone is trying to give Black_Dragon competition for the forum&#039;s 2022 Rivoli Of The Year award... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="EFKtX1i.png" data-src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEFKtX1i.png&amp;hash=f91bbb3a71067bb596024e78ea217f57" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEFKtX1i.png&amp;hash=f91bbb3a71067bb596024e78ea217f57" data-url="https://i.imgur.com/EFKtX1i.png" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="EFKtX1i.png" title="" width="" height="" loading="lazy" /> </div></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">My worry is that, depending on how the West handle the conflict, China may grow emboldened with Taiwan.<br /> <br /> Then the West is in real trouble.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">Not much you can do about War.<br /> <br /> Enjoy life, and leave Ukraine if you are there.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47734" data-quote="Black_Dragon43" data-source="post: 991435" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991435" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991435">Black_Dragon43 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> The problem here is that you guys in the West think that Putin is like you. You think Putin is a goodie goodie and just wants to be happy, and his country prosperous. You think that at heart he is good.<br /> <br /> And many people think that because that&#039;s how you&#039;re trained in the West. &quot;We all want to be happy&quot;, &quot;men are fundamentally good&quot;, &quot;don&#039;t think in black and white&quot;, &quot;look at things from the other guy&#039;s POV&quot; etc. etc.<br /> <br /> The trouble is that those assumptions are wrong. Not everyone wants to be happy. Not everyone is fundamentally good. Not everyone cares for your well being.<br /> <br /> In Communist times, the secret service forces would ENJOY torturing people. They would enjoy raping your wife in front of you. They would enjoy killing your sons and daughters in front of you. They wouldn&#039;t do it just out of duty... no, they would actively enjoy it.<br /> <br /> That is unimaginable to most of you, I&#039;m sure. Because you&#039;ve been trained in relativism for many years. And relativism tells you, let&#039;s all be happy, there is no good and evil, good and evil are solely in your mind. Hippies.<br /> <br /> <i>&quot;His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.&quot; </i> -- A Psychological Analysis of Adolph Hitler: His Life and Legend<br /> <br /> Deception is at the heart of war, as Sun Tzu would say. War isn&#039;t about being a goodie goodie... it&#039;s about achieving your objectives regardless of what&#039;s involved. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Do people really think the us isn’t controlled by evil people? Do people really think you live in a democracy? You have 2 parties and even with only 2 parties they still very likely rigged your last election. Not only did they rig it but they put the most inept puppet in that they could. They could have probably legitimately won the election if they chose a decent candidate but they don’t want that because they can’t control it, they want a demented puppet.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 76668" data-quote="David Fitz" data-source="post: 991422" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991422" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991422">David Fitz said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;ve read that the Ukraine leader closed newspapers who were talking about him and locked up his competitors and who knows, maybe he killed a few people himself. Everyone&#039;s saying we are fighting democracy but Ukraine doesn&#039;t sound much like a democracy if that is true.<br /> <br /> Imagine Biden locking up Trump and shutting down Fox News because they were on the right. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Also all of your media and social media is censored and controlled. People are killed all the time who speak out against the narrative.<br /> <br /> I’m not saying Putin is good but F*ck man have a look around do you really think whoever is controlling the west is any better?<br /> <br /> They are freezing peoples bank accounts in Canada for simply donating to protests.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Putin isn&#039;t stupid. He knows very well what he is doing. Some of you think that Putin really believes that Ukraine is Russian territory, and there is a genocide going on in there and he&#039;s actually protecting those people. That&#039;s wrong. Putin doesn&#039;t care about anyone&#039;s well being but his own. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Putin knows very well that what he&#039;s saying is just a pretext to justify his actions. He doesn&#039;t believe the pretext, but he wants you to believe it. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> USA invaded Iraq for no reason, they said there was wmds and there wasn’t any and no one cares. How is that any better? I’m not old enough to know what usa excuse for being in Vietnam was but I’ve been there and seen people in the street with deformities from the agent orange they sprayed while over there. That’s as evil as it gets.<br /> <br /> I’m not saying Russia is good or Ukraine is good, I don’t know anything about them, what I do know is that the last thing we need is to get involved in this shit. Are you really going to fight and risk your life so you can go home and have Trudeau, or Biden, or scomo, or Boris Johnson, or Jacinta tell you how to live your life.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 22018" data-quote="MitchC" data-source="post: 991442" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=991442" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-991442">MitchC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Do people really think the us isn’t controlled by evil people? Do people really think you live in a democracy? You have 2 parties and even with only 2 parties they still very likely rigged your last election. Not only did they rig it but they put the most inept puppet in that they could. They could have probably legitimately won the election if they chose a decent candidate but they don’t want that because they can’t control it, they want a demented puppet.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Also all of your media and social media is censored and controlled. People are killed all the time who speak out against the narrative.<br /> <br /> I’m not saying Putin is good but f*ck man have a look around do you really think whoever is controlling the west is any better?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> USA invaded Iraq for no reason, they said there was wmds and there wasn’t any and no one cares. How is that any better? I’m not old enough to know what usa excuse for being in Vietnam was but I’ve been there and seen people in the street with deformities from the agent orange they sprayed while over there. That’s as evil as it gets. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> &quot;America good. America hero. Russia bad. China bad. Iran bad. Aliens come. American heroes save the world. American color revolutions in sovereign countries good. America bombed and invaded 70+ countries good. America the beautiful.&quot;</div>
 
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