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Needs to be said... sell the DAMN motorcycle.

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“This is my life and my identity. If I couldn’t ride then life wouldn’t be worth living. At least I’ll have a smile on my face when I go...”

- some dumb motorcycle rider
 
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I disagree that most motorcycle accidents are caused by someone else. I think most are caused by stupid decisions by the pilot. I don’t have data and I’m not going to look for it. I’m basing it on observing myself and groups of other riders.

When a group of lads get together you can bet your bottom dollar that ego rears its head.

On a motorbike you’re always an inch from death. That inch is a twist of your right wrist, doing something stupid at the wrong time for the wrong reasons.

I’ve been in groups going faster than anyone would normally - because the guy in front is worrying about the guys behind him, and because the guys behind are trying to keep up with the guy in front.

Competitiveness is almost a given when lads get together, but running round a track too fast for the rep is one thing, blasting down country roads (or slicing through traffic) is quite another.

A rocket and an ego is a deadly cocktail.

Maybe I will create that thread after all...

Ugh, another day another story of someone's life getting totally f*cked up all because they needed to ride a motorcycle.

It seems like every week I hear a story from someone a degree or two away from my life gets into a horrific motorcycle accident. A few weeks ago the story was death. This week's story is someone whose looking at never walking again, brain damage, and all kinds of crap.

The worst of it? He wore a helmet and like many motorcycle accidents, it was NOT his fault.

Want to screw up your life permanently or worse, even die? Buy a motorcycle and ride it. And then be stubborn about it.

Now before you curse me a heathen, I've owned a motorcycle. And I loved it.

However I didn't love the fact that someone else's mistake would kill me, or permanently disfigure me.

I soon realized that owning one was a deathwish, and when some 92 year old grandma runs me over paralyzing me, I didn't want to regret the next 40 years of my life.

To this day, I DO NOT regret selling my motorcycle. I now look at riding a bike like smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. Yea, no way.

What I did was find an alternative to get the same rush, the same feeling, the same windy freedom.

At first it was a convertible car.

Now it's a street legal side by side UTV.

Now I can get the same enjoyment of riding a motorcycle without the stress AND I can ride in the hills.

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Sell the damn bike.

Now go think. You will thank me later. (Inside joke some folks here might recognize, LOL).
At nineteen I lost someone in a motorcycle crash on a dark lonely road. We had thought we'd be best allies for a lifetime. Life was not the same after that.
One evening my date picked me up with his Harley. He had a career which required alertness and decisiveness. The dew fell as we rode. Not four miles covered we toppled into a long skid. Time slowed to the speed of melting ice. The 800 pound thing snaggled along and dragged us by our legs across the road into the oncoming lane.
It was another reminder that the only way someone gets on a motorcycle is by believing that death has to really be nothing special, just like life. Like all of life.

And now there's a 74-year-old Irishman around here who still rides his Harley wearing a leather skullcap. He says he's going to ride until he dies. That's because he's broke, he laughs. And he has no one.

It's all connected: self-worth, self-sufficiency, self-preservation, and those who love you.
 
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Totally agree.

There is a saying here that if you want to die fast, go buy a bike.

Every biker rider I know has got into some sort of accident that hurt their bodies before.
 

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Yeah, scooters are generally safer than power bikes. Still, the risk is significant.
My girlfriend rode on the back of her friend's scooter while we were in Bali some months ago.
Boom-crash-fall! Left her knees and elbows scraped up. And that was best case scenario.
Yeah true. It actually took me a year of visiting Asia before I started riding. Not a great place to learn and doubling is dangerous.
 
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Ugh, another day another story of someone's life getting totally f*cked up all because they needed to ride a motorcycle.

It seems like every week I hear a story from someone a degree or two away from my life gets into a horrific motorcycle accident. A few weeks ago the story was death. This week's story is someone whose looking at never walking again, brain damage, and all kinds of crap.

The worst of it? He wore a helmet and like many motorcycle accidents, it was NOT his fault.

Want to screw up your life permanently or worse, even die? Buy a motorcycle and ride it. And then be stubborn about it.

Now before you curse me a heathen, I've owned a motorcycle. And I loved it.

However I didn't love the fact that someone else's mistake would kill me, or permanently disfigure me.

I soon realized that owning one was a deathwish, and when some 92 year old grandma runs me over paralyzing me, I didn't want to regret the next 40 years of my life.

To this day, I DO NOT regret selling my motorcycle. I now look at riding a bike like smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. Yea, no way.

What I did was find an alternative to get the same rush, the same feeling, the same windy freedom.

At first it was a convertible car.

Now it's a street legal side by side UTV.

Now I can get the same enjoyment of riding a motorcycle without the stress AND I can ride in the hills.

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Sell the damn bike.

Now go think. You will thank me later. (Inside joke some folks here might recognize, LOL).

In India, most men are addicted to motorcycles. It's the primary means of transport. They start riding it before the legal age. Despite many measures by the government, they won't wear helmets. In cities, we can witness minor accidents almost every day.
 

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Damn... I drive almost everyday a bike now I live in Canggu... And the worst of all. It's the most convenient way to get around here in the area. But I know also in Canggu and the rest of Bali, many accidents happen with people driving motorbikes.

I even almost had an accidents two times, and my cousin as well... But still I can not see the danger of it...

Edit: And I really drive like crazy sometimes, all because of getting the rush.
 

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While I appreciate great advice, my critical mind is also learnt to check the stats, if there are any. I know it is about our families and friends so we can easily get emotional and forget about the reality which is...

"The NHTSA reports that 13 cars out of every 100,000 are involved in a fatal accident, but motorcycles have a fatality rate of 72 per 100,000. Motorcyclists are also at a greater risk of a fatal accident per mile traveled. For every mile traveled, motorcyclists have a risk of a fatal accident that is 35 times higher than a car driver. In 2004, there were 37,304 people in cars killed in traffic accidents in the United States. That same year, 4,008 motorcyclists were killed on U.S. roads."

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Injuries and Fatalities
Motorcycle accidents are inherently more dangerous than car accidents for drivers and occupants because riders are not protected by steel and are typically thrown from the bike during a collision. There are several common injuries associated with motorcycle accidents:

  • Concussion and brain damage. This risk is especially great for riders who are not wearing an approved helmet.
  • Road rash or soft tissue damage as the body slides across the road.
  • Joint injuries and breaks in the pelvis and shoulders.
  • Biker’s arm in which nerves in the upper arm are damaged. This leads to permanent paralysis of the arm.
  • Facial disfigurement. 35% of motorcycle accidents result in impact on the chin.
Motorcycle accidents have a high likelihood of resulting in injury. According to the Hurt Report, 98% of multiple vehicle collisions and 96% of single vehicle accidents result in injury to a motorcyclist. Motorcyclists are 26 times more likely to die in a traffic accident than someone in a car and five times as likely to be hurt.

Sport and supersport motorcycles account for a disproportionate number of motorcycle accidents and fatalities. Supersport motorcycles have a death rate that is four times higher than that of conventional motorcycles while sport bikes have a fatality rate that is twice as high as conventional motorcycles."

 
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My wife made me ditch my motorcycle when she got pregnant. Once in a while, I fantasize about getting another one. Then I look at my daughter.

Me too!

When I look at her though, I imagine her riding one because daddy does. That puts me off.

I do miss my GSXR750 though :-(
 

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I ride. And I enjoy it.
And I know it is dangerous. I really try to ride defensively as much a I can. But, when the biz sometimes gets to me, I put my helmet on on take a ride through the hills.

Of course, I grew up riding bicycles without helmets and elbow pads, and when I was a kid, no one used seat belts, if they had them in the car. And we never had lanyards and harnesses to tie off to in construction. Sure, it is safer now, and that is good.
Perhaps before long it will be illegal to climb a tree in the back yard without safety netting.

I dunno. What some people call crazy now, was normal at one time.

Guess I am a heathen ;)
 

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Other countries have it more worse than Korea, but still, it’s bad. The drivers here are terrible (due to the ridiculously easy driving test) and motorcyclists can get away with anything.

They’ll speed through sidewalks, they’ll run red lights, they’ll go anywhere they want and it doesn’t matter if it’s their turn or not. Especially the food delivery bikers who make their money by the amount of deliveries completed.

It’s crazy..

When I was younger I enjoyed riding dirt bikes and motorcycles, but nowadays I see them as too much of a risk. One mistake and you can be gone.

And like mentioned previously throughout the thread, YOU may be a good driver, but that doesn’t mean other people won’t hit you. I’d rather take my chances walking or just riding the subway than a motorcycle.

P.S, MJ, that looks like a smaller version of the bat-mobile, haha.
 
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I'm cringing right now thinking about how I rode around in Chiang Mai with no helmet and sandals. That was only two years ago.

Hahhh, I've got the same experience in Indonesia. I had a helmet, but weaving through large trucks on a street bike (not a moped) wasn't the smartest thing I've ever done. I'll never ride a motorcycle on the street again. Dirtbikes in the woods? Definitely.
 

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Ugh, another day another story of someone's life getting totally f*cked up all because they needed to ride a motorcycle.

It seems like every week I hear a story from someone a degree or two away from my life gets into a horrific motorcycle accident. A few weeks ago the story was death. This week's story is someone whose looking at never walking again, brain damage, and all kinds of crap.

The worst of it? He wore a helmet and like many motorcycle accidents, it was NOT his fault.

Want to screw up your life permanently or worse, even die? Buy a motorcycle and ride it. And then be stubborn about it.

Now before you curse me a heathen, I've owned a motorcycle. And I loved it.

However I didn't love the fact that someone else's mistake would kill me, or permanently disfigure me.

I soon realized that owning one was a deathwish, and when some 92 year old grandma runs me over paralyzing me, I didn't want to regret the next 40 years of my life.

To this day, I DO NOT regret selling my motorcycle. I now look at riding a bike like smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. Yea, no way.

What I did was find an alternative to get the same rush, the same feeling, the same windy freedom.

At first it was a convertible car.

Now it's a street legal side by side UTV.

Now I can get the same enjoyment of riding a motorcycle without the stress AND I can ride in the hills.

View attachment 28004

Sell the damn bike.

Now go think. You will thank me later. (Inside joke some folks here might recognize, LOL).
I 100% agree. I'm sure we'll see a lot more of them happening. I've been telling people the same thing.
 

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If you drive like everything can kill you (because it can), you'll greatly reduce your chance of an accident.

Yes! This is how I drive. I always assume the other guy is going to do something unsafe/wrong/illegal. It's saved me more times than I can count.

I would NEVER get a motorcycle. I used to ride a regular bike all the time and I got in enough accidents (one of which everyone was surprised didn't kill me and to this day is a legend in my family) that I know riding anything faster would be foolish on my part. I'm not a bad rider, but there are a lot of hazards out there.
 
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I was reading where a Celeb Gifted a New Bike to her Brother and he had Fatal accident on it...but I hope she focused on that day he was all smiles when she gave it to him I know that is a heavy load for her.

These days people go extreme to get to an early grave.

Have you seen the videos on Ytube of people climbing buildings or hopping over barriers for Selfies and dying and unedited.

People swallowing DETERGENT that looks like candy as a CHALLENGE.

Road Rage.

Vaping.

We are all headed to a grave why speed the process.

And lets not pretend Lambos/fast cars are not in the same category. :)
I believe that's called Darwinism.
 

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I have done my motorbike and other vehicle tests.When I am driving I am always thinking "what if".ie "What if" that car pulls out-A kid is on his scooter "What if" they go straight into the road.If you have to brake hard because of a hazard how will it affect that VEEEE-HIKKEL....Sorry my USA typing is taking over.
 

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As someone who frequents many dashcam and roadcam forums, they have scared me from my dream of owning one instantly.

So many videos of these people on the fourms that are you and me that I talk to everyday, just suddenly sending a video of them sitting at an intersection at a red light and getting ran over and paralyzed for life.

People think "oh I'll just be a safe motorcycle driver", yeah the problem is many drivers don't see bicyclists because they don't pay enough attention. Additionally, usually the driver will get off without penalty in the U.S Court system, and you'll be getting off without two legs.

Get rid of it, if you aren't convinced, look up some dashcam videos of motorcyclist sitting there waiting at a stop sign and getting killed by a speeding vehicle.
 
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I like the idea of MJ’s UTV!!

It really is nearly the same feeling, and far more relaxing. Open cockpit, engine roar, wind in your face, no windshield. And I'm in a cage.

I really try to ride defensively as much a I can.

Unfortunately in the grand scheme of things, that probably won't matter much. You're surrounded by distracted drivers. I sold my bike before the smartphone zombification, I can't imagine how bad it is now. Stay safe my friend, may the gods be with you.

And lets not pretend Lambos/fast cars are not in the same category.

They aren't. One has a margin of error, the other does. I know, because I used that margin to survive a horrific accident that, if on a bike, I wouldn't be here.
 

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As someone who used to ride bikes professionally,

I FULLY SUPPORT THIS MESSAGE.

I miss bikes EVERY DAY, but won't get one (perhaps just a dirtbike again for private property), but it truly is just the wild wild west

I do miss my GSXR750 though :-(

Yes. Gixxers forever. Such such babes
 
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Horrific crash earlier this year 7 dead.



Not long after 2 more riders died in the I-93 tunnel going under Boston. The tunnel has claimed the lives of many riders over the past 18 years.

 

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I've sold my road bike after witnessing an ambulance taking rider screaming in pain with his jeans covered in blood. Probably an accident wasn't his fault as it looked like the car was turning left on a crossroad and didn't saw him, but that doesn't matter for him.

Next season I bought a dirtbike as it seemed much safer. Riding in fields in the middle of nowhere, no cars, no people, mostly low-speed balance training. But after improving skills, that wasn't fun so I've started training hills and jumps. On one jump everything went horribly wrong: my legs lost the bike mid-air and arms instinctively gripped the bike, opening the full throttle. On landing the bike instantly accelerated in wheelie leaving me on the ground. Luckily and thanks to full enduro equipment I've got only some burns on my belly (on soil, not pavement...) and the bike broke the rear frame.

I was extremely lucky not to break something, especially the spine. My daughter was 3 y.o. and my wife was pregnant at the time, so only a thought that something worse could've happened was enough.

Fixed the bike, not riding since then. It's collecting dust in the garage and I won't sell it cause then I'll definitely get the urge to buy another one which may be irresistible. Maybe I'll ride it again some time, maybe not.

Dirtbikes are safer cause everything depends on you when no one else is around. But I doubt there's a safe way to really learn to ride them, as you have to ride slightly above your skill to learn something. As local pro-enduro riders say "If you haven't fallen you haven't been training". Oh, and one of them had 11 broken bones...
 
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They aren't. One has a margin of error, the other does. I know, because I used that margin to survive a horrific accident that, if on a bike, I wouldn't be here.

You lost me there my friend. One has a better survival rate but both still in the same category of increased fatalities.

How many celebs killed or seriously injured in exotic fast cars we can go all the way back to James Dean and as recent as last week. Do I still want one. Hell yea.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oECVrMKaorY
 
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You lost me there my friend. One has a better survival rate but both still in the same category of increased fatalities.

How many celebs killed or seriously injured in exotic fast cars we can go all the way back to James Dean and as recent as last week. Do I still want one. Hell yea.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oECVrMKaorY
Im not sure I understand your point.

A wreck in any car at 100mph+ and your odds of survival start to drop fast. If we’re talking supercars or heavily modified cars with a roll cage and harnesses, high speed wrecks become more survivable.

Even a wreck at 70-80mph in a regular production car is quite survivable. Sadly I’ve done it twice. Had I been on a bike at the same speeds in the same accidents I’d have been dead the first time.

100mph+ on a bike? Forget about it.
 

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Im not sure I understand your point.

That is mutual my friend.

If someone says they survived a luxury fast car wreck that is confirming what I am saying that the risks certainly increase with exotic fast cars. Of course not at the same rate as motorbikes but let's ask the Doctors in Trauma Centers.

:) OK in advance for the next reply to the "I am a Doctor in Trauma Centers" my point is the risks are heightened for both that is all, not who or what has better chances of survival.
 

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You lost me there my friend. One has a better survival rate but both still in the same category of increased fatalities.

How many celebs killed or seriously injured in exotic fast cars we can go all the way back to James Dean and as recent as last week. Do I still want one. Hell yea.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oECVrMKaorY

I’m afraid I don’t understand your point either. Being in a car whether it is an exotic or regular car, you have a much higher chance of survival compared to being on a motorcycle.

Take a Lambo and a motorcycle, drive them both to 30 mph and slam both into a parked car. Which person will have a better chance of survival?

My biggest worry in my exotic is that it’s so low to the ground that I worry people don’t see me. And I’m don’t like the low hood angle and chance of SUVs rolling over me.
 

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I'll have to play devils advocate here...

First of all I completely agree with the fact that riding a motorcycle is dangerous, and it can lead to VERY real consequences such as death or becoming disabled....

But so can snowboarding, parashute jumping, rafting, paragliding, MTB downhil and bmx racing and other extreme sports...

Should we stop engaging in these activities all-together?

The point is - sure the death and trauma are very real possibilities...

But ultimately that's why people engage in extreme sports isn't it?

We like to overcome adversity - some enjoy it less, some more, but there is something very thrilling about being an inch from a tragedy and still surviving.

The feeling of beating the fear of death for a second is MINDBLOWING.

I think that's the whole point.

The risk is very real... and I think that is the EXACT reason, why people like extreme sports.

And sure riding can be compared to cigaretes... maybe even cocaine - the dopamine rush from it is much more powerful, than the rush from smoking.

Maybe one day I'll look back at myself and think ''Woah, I was very, very wrong about this...''

But for now:

“This is my life and my identity. If I couldn’t ride then life wouldn’t be worth living. At least I’ll have a smile on my face when I go...”

- some dumb motorcycle rider
 
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I'll have to play devils advocate here...

First of all I completely agree with the fact that riding a motorcycle is dangerous, and it can lead to VERY real consequences such as death or becoming disabled....

But so can snowboarding, parashute jumping, rafting, paragliding, MTB downhil and bmx racing and other extreme sports...

Should we stop engaging in these activities all-together?

The point is - sure the death and trauma are very real possibilities...

But ultimately that's why people engage in extreme sports isn't it?

We like to overcome adversity - some enjoy it less, some more, but there is something very thrilling about being an inch from a tragedy and still surviving.

The feeling of beating the fear of death for a second is MINDBLOWING.

I think that's the whole point.

The risk is very real... and I think that is the EXACT reason, why people like extreme sports.

And sure riding can be compared to cigaretes... maybe even cocaine - the dopamine rush from it is much more powerful, than the rush from smoking.

Maybe one day I'll look back at myself and think ''Woah, I was very, very wrong about this...''

But for now:
I didn’t ride because it was dangerous. I rode because I wanted to get better at it, then because I loved getting a bend right and feeling my knee gently scraping the tarmac. Being close to death didn’t factor into it.

It wasn’t until I became a parent that it occurred to me that it’s not just about me. And I’m ashamed to say it wasn’t until our youngest was two years old.

And now I’ve seen the devastation losing my younger brother had on my parents I’m dumbfounded I didn’t think of my parents and family as I got a few thrills.

Oh, and I now know the worry I put my mum through when I was riding the bike for a decade. It’s the same worry I have when the kids are out playing near the road in our estate.

I didn’t think I’d change my mind either. But I did in an instant.

I rode bikes. I don’t identify as a biker. I identify as a dad, parent, husband, son, business owner...

Just my 2c.
 

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I didn’t ride because it was dangerous. I rode because I wanted to get better at it, then because I loved getting a bend right and feeling my knee gently scraping the tarmac. Being close to death didn’t factor into it.

It wasn’t until I became a parent that it occurred to me that it’s not just about me. And I’m ashamed to say it wasn’t until our youngest was two years old.

And now I’ve seen the devastation losing my younger brother had on my parents I’m dumbfounded I didn’t think of my parents and family as I got few thrills.

Oh, and I now know the worry I put my mum through when I was riding the bike for a decade. It’s the same worry I have when the kids are out playing near the road in our estate.

I didn’t think I’d change my mind either. But I did in an instant.

I rode bikes. I don’t identify as a biker. I identify as a parent, husband, son, and business owner.
Just my 2c.

Yeah, from the rational stand-point I completely agree with you.

I guess I just haven't matured enough yet...
 

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