Vegan / Vegetarians Only (Chat about lifestyle, opportunities, food, whatever...)

[socaldude]

I honestly sometimes remember about you and MTF and remind myself that being vegan is not a leftwing insanity but rather a compassionate, intelligent and rational choice.

I read your post as well. I understand your perspective.

I look at it like participating in a “cosmic purpose”. Not something that has to do with gender, politics or anything else.

A bunch of other metaphysical questions arise as well. Like, if a lion brutally kills a zebra in nature what is wrong with us doing the same? The answer is that we are not animals and the universe expects us to act that way.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

I was going to drop this rant into MJ's plant based thread, but didn't want to violate the spirit of that thread with this. I like meat but I see significant health benefits to the whole vegan lifestyle. I may alternate into that for windows alternated with a gigantic steak.

@Vigilante couple notes based on years of experience, I brought this into the plant-based thread as most people won't want to read any of the following, as one could ascertain to the reception your post received...

• Use the word "vegan" and you immediately lose most of the audience as it conjures up visions of purple haired socialists. Opt for "plant-based" whenever you can. I've tried to remove the word "vegan" from my life as it is a loaded word politically. Being compassionate and wanting to be healthy has nothing to do with The World Economic Forum, socialism, or Bill Gates.
• FACT: People don't want to hear you're completely healthy, not obese, and off medications if it involves anything plant-based, even here. I was saddened to hear the response I got here when I made it know I was not eating meat any longer, no one cared I felt awesome, feeling better at 53 years old than I did at 33. Instead, they just felt my way of eating was a threat to their own, so curse your results.
• Think "the Script" is a powerful brainwashing in a job culture? Oh boy, wait until you see the reception you get if people hear you are eating plant-based and don't want to eat their factory farmed trash. We live in a job culture, a meat culture, and an alcohol culture -- I do not participate in any of that normalized shit -- and I am proud of my results on all aspects of life; financial, health, spiritual, more...
• Anyone on medications due to food related illness is a victim of the vicious diet/sickness/pharma cycle -- there are few authorities willing to address this paradigm, and too many heavily capitalized, powerful interests that will keep it going long after you and I are gone. You're on your own (just like the VAX) to figure this out for yourself.
• There is no price on good health, so good for you in taking yours seriously.

 

[Vigilante]

@Vigilante couple notes based on years of experience, I brought this into the plant-based thread as most people won't want to read any of the following, as one could ascertain to the reception your post received...

• Use the word "vegan" and you immediately lose most of the audience as it conjures up visions of purple haired socialists. Opt for "plant-based" whenever you can. I've tried to remove the word "vegan" from my life as it is a loaded word politically. Being compassionate and wanting to be healthy has nothing to do with The World Economic Forum, socialism, or Bill Gates.
• FACT: People don't want to hear you're completely healthy, not obese, and off medications if it involves anything plant-based, even here. I was saddened to hear the response I got here when I made it know I was not eating meat any longer, no one cared I felt awesome, feeling better at 53 years old than I did at 33. Instead, they just felt my way of eating was a threat to their own, so curse your results.
• Think "the Script" is a powerful brainwashing in a job culture? Oh boy, wait until you see the reception you get if people hear you are eating plant-based and don't want to eat their factory farmed trash. We live in a job culture, a meat culture, and an alcohol culture -- I do not participate in any of that normalized shit -- and I am proud of my results on all aspects of life; financial, health, spiritual, more...
• Anyone on medications due to food related illness is a victim of the vicious diet/sickness/pharma cycle -- there are few authorities willing to address this paradigm, and too many heavily capitalized, powerful interests that will keep it going long after you and I are gone. You're on your own (just like the VAX) to figure this out for yourself.
• There is no price on good health, so good for you in taking yours seriously.

The more I have looked at this the more that I believe almost everybody could be off almost every medication, if they took a healthy approach towards intake and output.

There’s no denying the health benefits of eliminating garbage from your diet.

“But I like it” used to work for me. No longer.

I am now a older father of a younger child. If she is going to have an old dad, she still deserves a dad that can keep up with her.

 

[REV5028]

I am now a older father of a younger child. If she is going to have an old dad, she still deserves a dad that can keep up with her.

That's such a touching reason to commit to a plant-based lifestyle. In addition to being healthy yourself, you're also setting a wonderful example for your daughter. My father does not take care of himself at all, and never really has. Even though I've been living a plant-based lifestyle for ~8 years, I don't drink much, I don't smoke, and I'm fairly active, at 31 I'm still struggling to prioritize going to the doctor, finding a therapist, going to the dentist, etc. I've recently realized that I've been allowing my father's choices to negatively influence me my entire life. It's really hard to overcome, but I'm getting there - I just had an eye exam and got new glasses after ~9 years.. Anyway, I really, truly appreciate that you're taking care of yourself to be there with/for your daughter and also setting a great example for her to also live a healthy life.

 

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[Bigguns50]

@Vigilante Good for you brother!

I am now a older father of a younger child. If she is going to have an old dad, she still deserves a dad that can keep up with her.

^^^ Powerful Motivator. I went whole food plant-based going on 6 years and life is GOOD because my physical, mental, and spiritual health are excellent. There's a lot to learn but there are excellent resources to follow. And the meals...awe man...my wife just made mashed potatoes and gravy and it's better than the crap I grew up with! So many great recipes out there.

 

[socaldude]

Even though I've been living a plant-based lifestyle for ~8 years, I don't drink much, I don't smoke, and I'm fairly active, at 31 I'm still struggling to prioritize going to the doctor, finding a therapist, going to the dentist, etc. I've recently realized that I've been allowing my father's choices to negatively influence me my entire life.

Sounds like me. And I'm your age too.

This is one the hardest things in my life. The toxic and dysfunctional relationships with those close to me.

The passive aggressive attacks on me being vegan and them ignoring my advice on better health and success.

Really makes me sad and mad thinking about it.

I think most of us came from this toxic background and environment.

 

[MTF]

I had an extensive medical check-up at a private clinic done today, the first such check-up in my life. Among dozens of other things, my doctor checked my arteries.

He said that I have the arteries of a newborn, not of an adult. He took pictures of my arteries and asked how long I've been meat-free since he wanted to show the pictures to his colleagues. He told me my arteries are so clean they inspire him to switch to plants. That's how rare it is to not have clogged arteries even at the relatively young age of 33.

I was vegetarian between 17 (I think, perhaps 16 or 18) and 30 and have been vegan since I was 30 (it'll be three years this August).

If that's not a testimony to the health benefits of a plant-based diet, then I don't know what is.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

I had an extensive medical check-up at a private clinic done today, the first such check-up in my life. Among dozens of other things, my doctor checked my arteries.

He said that I have the arteries of a newborn, not of an adult. He took pictures of my arteries and asked how long I've been meat-free since he wanted to show the pictures to his colleagues. He told me my arteries are so clean they inspire him to switch to plants. That's how rare it is to not have clogged arteries even at the relatively young age of 33.

I was vegetarian between 17 (I think, perhaps 16 or 18) and 30 and have been vegan since I was 30 (it'll be three years this August).

If that's not a testimony to the health benefits of a plant-based diet, then I don't know what is.

Congratulations, when you get to my age, you really start to notice things, especially when compared to other men your age.

 

[Jon822]

Our entire perception of aging is skewed because unhealthy eating and not moving is the norm. If you look at indigenous populations that are entirely plant-based (or close to it), they have 95 year old great-grandparents running around with their great grand-kids. Thinking that 50 is "old" in the sense of severely diminished physical ability is a modern fallacy that is perpetuated by companies lobbying to keep the masses consuming their products. It's sad.

 

[Nazca]

• Use the word "vegan" and you immediately lose most of the audience as it conjures up visions of purple haired socialists. Opt for "plant-based" whenever you can. I've tried to remove the word "vegan" from my life as it is a loaded word politically. Being compassionate and wanting to be healthy has nothing to do with The World Economic Forum, socialism, or Bill Gates.

I use the word "non-meat" or "non-carved" when I talk about my diet. Here in France (and everywhere in the world) I feel that the word "vegetarian" is wrongly used. I like the "plant-based" word you proposed.

Stopped eating meat and drastically reduced milk consumption 4 years ago, and it's been one of my best life choice.

I feel healthier and it is amazing to discover new food. The meat culture let people think there is no alternative to meat. Big laugh when I released many plant-based food have more proteins than meat itself.

Also what's funny from meat defenders is that they only talk about proteins. They don't talk about other nutrients. They play checkers instead of playing chess.

 

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[MTF]

Congratulations, when you get to my age, you really start to notice things, especially when compared to other men your age.

Thank you. My goal is to constantly get healthier and stronger so that if any aging-related deterioration begins, I start from a very high level (and not merely a mediocre one).

Peter Attia's Outlive really emphasized this point. The sooner you take care of your health, the longer your healthspan will be. Even if you lose strength and overall health, there's a huge difference dropping from 10/10 to 5/10 than from 5/10 to 1/10 when you can't be independent anymore.

I'm very happy with these results but I'm only getting started. The diet is definitely important but Attia says that exercise is even more important than nutrition (health-wise, not weight-wise by itself) and can cancel out a lot of unhealthy behaviors (not that it justifies engaging in them, it just helps reduce their impact).

 

[SharpeningBlade]

Very inspiring to hear your arteries are so pure, @MTF.

I have to check out that book by Peter Attia.

Dr. David Sinclair and Bryan Johnson are doing some really interesting work in the field of longevity and both are adhering to plant-based eating habits.

 

[heavy_industry]

Our entire perception of aging is skewed because unhealthy eating and not moving is the norm. If you look at indigenous populations that are entirely plant-based (or close to it), they have 95 year old great-grandparents running around with their great grand-kids. Thinking that 50 is "old" in the sense of severely diminished physical ability is a modern fallacy that is perpetuated by companies lobbying to keep the masses consuming their products. It's sad.

It's estimated that the natural human lifespan is ~120 years, on average.

We're genetically programmed to reach this age. We're supposed to be young until 100.

The only reason why we fall dead at 80, is because we're adding bad fuel into the system. Of course the engine will break sooner.

• Remove sugar.
• Remove alcohol.
• Remove seed oils (not fruit oils - olives, avocados etc.)
• Remove anything that causes inflammation.

 

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[constant]

It's estimated that the natural human lifespan is ~120 years, on average

Where did you get this number?

 

[heavy_industry]

Where did you get this number?

The science nerds have figured it out. This is what they've concluded by looking at human DNA.

Some stories from the Bible also tell of populations of people living more than 120 years. This is not scientific evidence, but I believe it is true, based on what the science says today.

 

[redshift]

I had an extensive medical check-up at a private clinic done today, the first such check-up in my life. Among dozens of other things, my doctor checked my arteries.

He said that I have the arteries of a newborn, not of an adult. He took pictures of my arteries and asked how long I've been meat-free since he wanted to show the pictures to his colleagues. He told me my arteries are so clean they inspire him to switch to plants. That's how rare it is to not have clogged arteries even at the relatively young age of 33.

I was vegetarian between 17 (I think, perhaps 16 or 18) and 30 and have been vegan since I was 30 (it'll be three years this August).

If that's not a testimony to the health benefits of a plant-based diet, then I don't know what is.

Thanks for sharing MTF. That's very inspiring. What kind of plant-based foods do you eat? Is there any fake-meat etc involved as well?

 

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[MTF]

Thanks for sharing MTF. That's very inspiring. What kind of plant-based foods do you eat? Is there any fake-meat etc involved as well?

My diet changes depending on the season and where I am (as that affects access to certain foods) but my staples usually are:

• Fruits - I'm not sure if it's that great but I love fruits above everything else and probably eat too much of them (I should get my blood test results this week so I'll know what my blood sugar levels are like). When available, I eat tons of blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, and other berries and cherries plus dragonfruits, mangoes and papayas if I have access to high-quality ones. Other than that, fruit-wise I mostly eat bananas, grapes, and apples plus avocados in salads and sandwiches.
• Legumes - beans and lentils, primarily red kidney beans, chickpeas, and beluga lentils. I guess falafel and hummus also belong to this category. This also includes lentil and chickpea flour.
• Soy - tempeh (my favorite, plus since it's fermented, it's healthier than regular soy), tofu (smoked preferably, the regular one doesn't taste great), textured vegetable protein (that's dried defatted soy so tons of protein with very few calories), and unsweetened oil-free soy milk for smoothies. It's been a while (a few months already) but I also used to regularly eat soy-based yogurts with clean ingredients.
• Vegetables - depends on what's available but my staples are broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, zucchini, bell peppers, carrots, tomatoes, cucumbers, radish, red onions, chives, olives, sprouts, micro greens, and salad greens (I make huge salads with vegetables and beans). I also like asparagus and all kinds of peas (green, yellow, long, short, whatever).
• Mushrooms - primarily regular white mushrooms and chanterelles in season. Otherwise I'm not a huge fan of mushrooms.
• Nuts and seeds - these I try to limit but it's hard. I primarily eat peanuts in the form of peanut butter (usually added to smoothies), cashew nuts, walnuts, pecans, Brazil nuts, and pistachios but I also eat almonds, macadamia nuts, hazelnuts, etc. I also add pumpkin and sunflower seeds to my salads.
• Oils - only coconut oil and olive oil.
• Superfoods, spices etc. - I add tons of different things to my smoothies, from flax, chia, and hemp seeds to maca, spirulina, chlorella, camu camu, and cacao. I also use various spices and herbs but mostly salt, pepper, smoked paprika, curry, garlic powder and a mix of Italian herbs plus soy sauce. I also sprinkle a ton of nutritional yeast on my veggies.
• Sweeteners - I use date syrup only (which is just dates and water) or dates.
• Protein powders - I only consume 100% rice protein and pea protein with zero additives and/or sweeteners.
• Carbs - I try to limit carbs not necessarily because I'm a low carb believer but because I don't like the crash that comes after them, particularly for me after rice. I sometimes eat quinoa. If I eat less healthy carbs, it's usually bread (but high-quality European one, not the crap people call bread in other countries lol). If I eat pasta, it's pretty much always vegetable pasta (100% chickpea pasta is great) but if it's traditional, it'll be whole wheat pasta. I used to eat potatoes, sweet potatoes and oats quite often but these days I eat them rarely as I don't digest them well.

I do sometimes eat out but will usually pick stuff highest in protein and with the lowest risk of added sugar and/or seed oils. I also primarily go to vegan restaurants that serve healthy food. I don't consume:

• Seed oils. Rapeseed oil or sunflower oil goes into almost everything vegan, which is why I don't eat these vegan alternatives.
• Shitty fake meat like Impossible burgers. If you consider all kinds of soy products fake meat, then I do eat soy products as mentioned but they aren't highly processed. I don't like the taste of fast food vegan stuff and don't go to restaurants that serve it (stuff like vegan sausages, ham, etc.).
• Most regular sweets and snacks. Usually if I eat stuff like chocolate it's at least 70% but most often I eat 100% dark chocolate (pure stuff only for hardcore people haha).
• Sugary drinks and soda - I do drink pure carrot juice regularly which is probably not great but as far as I know doesn't have as much fructose as fruit juices. I'm trying not to drink fruit juices at all as I used to drink them relatively often (pure 100% juices, mostly orange and apple, but still not great for you).
• Most vegan alternatives like vegan cheese, yogurt, butter, eggs, fish, milk (except for pure soy milk), etc. I sometimes eat vegan cheese made with coconut oil (it has clean ingredients but doesn't offer much nutrition) but it's very rare these days.
• Caffeine. I never liked coffee and stopped drinking tea a few years ago. I sometimes have peppermint tea which is caffeine-free as it's a herbal tea.
• Alcohol/drugs/nicotine. I've never had any alcohol, drugs, or nicotine.

Wow that took me a long time to write but I hope it'll help someone. Overall, I'm a freak when it comes to reading labels. I put down approximately 99% of packaged stuff right after looking at the ingredients. My biggest diet problem is eating too much. Because even if you eat healthy stuff, you can still gain weight. And you won't believe the amounts I can consume. Hence, in the last few weeks I've really focused on eating lots of protein (aiming for at least 100-150 grams a day) as that does help me feel more satiated.

 

[Timmy C]

I am going to try eating a vegetarian diet after all of my current meal prep is finished.
I tried going vegan for a few months in the past and noticed my health and energy declined and it was very bad for me.
I will give vegetarian a try instead and see how my body goes with that.

The biggest issues for me when i went vegan in the past was that I ate literally twice as much as before but had less than half the energy. I couldn't even work out for 15 minutes without wanting to pass out.

Is this a good resource on vegetarian diets?

Nutritional advice - Vegetarian Society

vegsoc.org

 

[Matt Sun]

I am going to try eating a vegetarian diet after all of my current meal prep is finished.
I tried going vegan for a few months in the past and noticed my health and energy declined and it was very bad for me.
I will give vegetarian a try instead and see how my body goes with that.

The biggest issues for me when i went vegan in the past was that I ate literally twice as much as before but had less than half the energy. I couldn't even work out for 15 minutes without wanting to pass out.

Is this a good resource on vegetarian diets?

Nutritional advice - Vegetarian Society

vegsoc.org

I know you said vegetarian but if you still want some vegan dishes here and there def the guy to follow is Derek the cannadian body builder:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5DH1JwolyU&t=1190s

 

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[kendamakid]

My diet changes depending on the season and where I am (as that affects access to certain foods) but my staples usually are:

• Fruits - I'm not sure if it's that great but I love fruits above everything else and probably eat too much of them (I should get my blood test results this week so I'll know what my blood sugar levels are like). When available, I eat tons of blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, and other berries and cherries plus

@MTF this is a great summary. Essentially it's a whole food plant based diet. This is different than what people classify as a vegan or vegetarian diet. You are limiting your oils which is great. I'm sure you have a fantastic lipid and other blood panels. A lot of what you follow has been validated thru science. Easy books to read would be The China Study by T Colin Campbell and the documentary Forks over Knives

This is not always the easiest diet to follow if you travel a lot or want to eat out at restaurants. But you are showing great discipline.

Bravo

 

[MTF]

I'm sure you have a fantastic lipid and other blood panels.

Yeah, my doctor said that my cholesterol levels are very rare to see. 126 total cholesterol, 43 HDL, 73 LDL, 51 triglycerides.

 

[mikecarlooch]

My diet changes depending on the season and where I am (as that affects access to certain foods) but my staples usually are:

• Fruits - I'm not sure if it's that great but I love fruits above everything else and probably eat too much of them (I should get my blood test results this week so I'll know what my blood sugar levels are like). When available, I eat tons of blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, and other berries and cherries plus dragonfruits, mangoes and papayas if I have access to high-quality ones. Other than that, fruit-wise I mostly eat bananas, grapes, and apples plus avocados in salads and sandwiches.
• Legumes - beans and lentils, primarily red kidney beans, chickpeas, and beluga lentils. I guess falafel and hummus also belong to this category. This also includes lentil and chickpea flour.
• Soy - tempeh (my favorite, plus since it's fermented, it's healthier than regular soy), tofu (smoked preferably, the regular one doesn't taste great), textured vegetable protein (that's dried defatted soy so tons of protein with very few calories), and unsweetened oil-free soy milk for smoothies. It's been a while (a few months already) but I also used to regularly eat soy-based yogurts with clean ingredients.
• Vegetables - depends on what's available but my staples are broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, zucchini, bell peppers, carrots, tomatoes, cucumbers, radish, red onions, chives, olives, sprouts, micro greens, and salad greens (I make huge salads with vegetables and beans). I also like asparagus and all kinds of peas (green, yellow, long, short, whatever).
• Mushrooms - primarily regular white mushrooms and chanterelles in season. Otherwise I'm not a huge fan of mushrooms.
• Nuts and seeds - these I try to limit but it's hard. I primarily eat peanuts in the form of peanut butter (usually added to smoothies), cashew nuts, walnuts, pecans, Brazil nuts, and pistachios but I also eat almonds, macadamia nuts, hazelnuts, etc. I also add pumpkin and sunflower seeds to my salads.
• Oils - only coconut oil and olive oil.
• Superfoods, spices etc. - I add tons of different things to my smoothies, from flax, chia, and hemp seeds to maca, spirulina, chlorella, camu camu, and cacao. I also use various spices and herbs but mostly salt, pepper, smoked paprika, curry, garlic powder and a mix of Italian herbs plus soy sauce. I also sprinkle a ton of nutritional yeast on my veggies.
• Sweeteners - I use date syrup only (which is just dates and water) or dates.
• Protein powders - I only consume 100% rice protein and pea protein with zero additives and/or sweeteners.
• Carbs - I try to limit carbs not necessarily because I'm a low carb believer but because I don't like the crash that comes after them, particularly for me after rice. I sometimes eat quinoa. If I eat less healthy carbs, it's usually bread (but high-quality European one, not the crap people call bread in other countries lol). If I eat pasta, it's pretty much always vegetable pasta (100% chickpea pasta is great) but if it's traditional, it'll be whole wheat pasta. I used to eat potatoes, sweet potatoes and oats quite often but these days I eat them rarely as I don't digest them well.

I do sometimes eat out but will usually pick stuff highest in protein and with the lowest risk of added sugar and/or seed oils. I also primarily go to vegan restaurants that serve healthy food. I don't consume:

• Seed oils. Rapeseed oil or sunflower oil goes into almost everything vegan, which is why I don't eat these vegan alternatives.
• Shitty fake meat like Impossible burgers. If you consider all kinds of soy products fake meat, then I do eat soy products as mentioned but they aren't highly processed. I don't like the taste of fast food vegan stuff and don't go to restaurants that serve it (stuff like vegan sausages, ham, etc.).
• Most regular sweets and snacks. Usually if I eat stuff like chocolate it's at least 70% but most often I eat 100% dark chocolate (pure stuff only for hardcore people haha).
• Sugary drinks and soda - I do drink pure carrot juice regularly which is probably not great but as far as I know doesn't have as much fructose as fruit juices. I'm trying not to drink fruit juices at all as I used to drink them relatively often (pure 100% juices, mostly orange and apple, but still not great for you).
• Most vegan alternatives like vegan cheese, yogurt, butter, eggs, fish, milk (except for pure soy milk), etc. I sometimes eat vegan cheese made with coconut oil (it has clean ingredients but doesn't offer much nutrition) but it's very rare these days.
• Caffeine. I never liked coffee and stopped drinking tea a few years ago. I sometimes have peppermint tea which is caffeine-free as it's a herbal tea.
• Alcohol/drugs/nicotine. I've never had any alcohol, drugs, or nicotine.

Wow that took me a long time to write but I hope it'll help someone. Overall, I'm a freak when it comes to reading labels. I put down approximately 99% of packaged stuff right after looking at the ingredients. My biggest diet problem is eating too much. Because even if you eat healthy stuff, you can still gain weight. And you won't believe the amounts I can consume. Hence, in the last few weeks I've really focused on eating lots of protein (aiming for at least 100-150 grams a day) as that does help me feel more satiated.

I am total opposite to your diet (I eat lot of meat)

But I respect so much that you called out seed oils, fake meats, and vegan alternatives.

This shows there’s a difference between someone who just doesn’t eat meat, and still stays away from all the garbage, and someone who eats toxic fake plant foods stuffed with seed oils and 96 ingredients

Like it's absurd. This "NotMilk" for example, is a combination of Water and Sunflower oil. That's the drink!

 

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[MTF]

This shows there’s a difference between someone who just doesn’t eat meat, and still stays away from all the garbage, and someone who eats toxic fake plant foods stuffed with seed oils and 96 ingredients

There's no difference between vegan fast food places and regular fast food restaurants. It's the same bad stuff, regardless if it's made with animals or plants. Unfortunately, most vegans I know don't understand that. Eating plants doesn't mean it's healthy for you. Try eating poison ivy if you don't believe me lol.

Like it's absurd. This "NotMilk" for example, is a combination of Water and Sunflower oil. That's the drink!

I hate sunflower oil with a passion. They often add it (or canola oil) to everything. In some countries (like Australia), I couldn't find clean soy milk. It always had either some oil or "natural flavorings," whatever that stuff is.

 

[MakeItHappen]

I had an extensive medical check-up at a private clinic done today, the first such check-up in my life. Among dozens of other things, my doctor checked my arteries.

He said that I have the arteries of a newborn, not of an adult. He took pictures of my arteries and asked how long I've been meat-free since he wanted to show the pictures to his colleagues. He told me my arteries are so clean they inspire him to switch to plants. That's how rare it is to not have clogged arteries even at the relatively young age of 33.

I was vegetarian between 17 (I think, perhaps 16 or 18) and 30 and have been vegan since I was 30 (it'll be three years this August).

If that's not a testimony to the health benefits of a plant-based diet, then I don't know what is.

That's fantastic MTF!

Happy for you.

 

[Goodfella999]

Where do most of you get your protein from? I dont eat meat or pork but I do eat a lot of fish. I find if I have too many legumes/split peas/lentils I get too much gas.

 

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[kendamakid]

There's no difference between vegan fast food places and regular fast food restaurants. It's the same bad stuff, regardless if it's made with animals or plants. Unfortunately, most vegans I know don't understand that. Eating plants doesn't mean it's healthy for you. Try eating poison ivy if you don't believe me lol.



I hate sunflower oil with a passion. They often add it (or canola oil) to everything. In some countries (like Australia), I couldn't find clean soy milk. It always had either some oil or "natural flavorings," whatever that stuff is.

@MTF , if you are looking for clean soy milk, I've found the best is in the Asian Grocery stores and the asian soy milk brands often sold as a soya beverage. The ingredients are usually just filtered watered, whole soybeans and sodium bicarbonate as an acidity regulator. They don't have the usual sugar additives, or thickeners.

I wholeheartedly agree about vegan fast food being just as bad as regular fast food restaurants. The food really falls into the category of Ultra Processed Foods (UPFs) which is probably not good for one's health.

 

[MTF]

Where do most of you get your protein from? I dont eat meat or pork but I do eat a lot of fish. I find if I have too many legumes/split peas/lentils I get too much gas.

Your body adjusts to more legumes but it's still a mistake to rely on them too much for protein as they have too many calories for the amount of protein they give (perhaps except for some varieties of lentils). So they're good as a base but not to eat exclusively for protein.

Vegan-wise for protein, I prioritize some kind of soy (tempeh is better than tofu due to being fermented and offering more health benefits), pea protein or rice protein (in smoothies, combined with soy milk for even more protein), or clean protein bars (I eat awesome protein bars that have only dates, peanuts, and rice protein).

Then you have "accidental" protein from various vegetables, nuts, seeds, and carbs. Sprinkle your veggies with nutritional yeast and you'll get a few grams of protein more. Without focusing on the aforementioned protein-rich stuff, I can usually get at least 80 grams from these foods. Combine that with more protein-dense foods and you can hit 150 g or more. It gets much harder if you're cutting, though.

 

[MTF]

@MTF , if you are looking for clean soy milk, I've found the best is in the Asian Grocery stores and the asian soy milk brands often sold as a soya beverage. The ingredients are usually just filtered watered, whole soybeans and sodium bicarbonate as an acidity regulator. They don't have the usual sugar additives, or thickeners.

I wholeheartedly agree about vegan fast food being just as bad as regular fast food restaurants. The food really falls into the category of Ultra Processed Foods (UPFs) which is probably not good for one's health.

Thanks for the tip. I have no problems finding it in Europe (and I can almost always get organic one, too) but it's often hard outside of it. I'll check Asian stores when traveling in the future.

 

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[Timmy C]

So I haven't transitioned fully to vegetarian yet, but these are the breakfasts I have made up for the week so far.

 

[Matt Sun]

So I haven't transitioned fully to vegetarian yet, but these are the breakfasts I have made up for the week so far.

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Nice! This was breakfast/lunch today, it was much more delicious than the picture shows, got to love spices: