The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

[Kak]

 

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[Ludachris]

I am a member on a site/app called NextDoor. It's a neighborhood community app for neighbors to communicate. I came across this post from someone in our neighborhood:

Today I passed 23 people (counted) playing soccer and volleyball at the park (in our neighborhood). I don't think this is wise considering the current situation. I know the kids need exercise, but surely we can be safer than this. Not being a gestapo, just a concerned senior

Some of the responses:

Oh brother. People have way too much time on their hands now to be concerned with some kids getting some vitamin D. Jesus.

Well then maybe it would not be in your best interest to go hang out with them

Sounds just a little gestapo-y. Can we just all take a chill pill and stop tattling on each other? If you don't like it, stay in your house. Simple

This is the mentality that has brought about the strict shut down orders here in CA, and may even result in marshal law at some point. It just goes to show you that people really don't truly understand what a pandemic is, or they can't comprehend what can happen if they don't do their part to try and fight one. This is all just a stupid, ridiculous inconvenience to them that they'll roll their eyes over and make jokes about with others.

We had to turn down an invite from some other parents this morning to bring our kids out to the lake today for some "social distancing" fun. I suppose many won't be able to accept it unless people they know are in the hospital. It won't be real until our local hospitals are overwhelmed. It feels like those who are trying to do their part are at the mercy of those with the cavalier attitudes. It's times like this that you learn a lot about the character of those around you.

 

[Trevor Kuntz]

F*ck racists AND F*ck governments who try to deflect blame instead of accepting responsibility, in this case, both the Chinese Communist government and the US federal government.

 

[Trevor Kuntz]

The only reason to intentionally use the word "foreign" or "Chinese" to describe the virus is to deflect blame and encourage racism.

You're going to tell me that the rise in violence against Asian Americans is not related to this?

I'm Asian American. I've been getting nasty looks these past few months, and I live in one of the most liberal states there is.

The term "Chinese" is used in a derogatory way here in many part of the US to refer to all Asian ethnicities. We would not use the term "Colored" in the US (and it's perfectly fine to use it in other countries), because of the connotation that it carries in this country. This is no different.

There's really no need to continue spreading hate on purpose.

Sorry to hear about your experiences, Anne. Some people are total shit.

 

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[Kak]

F*ck racists AND F*ck governments who try to deflect blame instead of accepting responsibility, in this case, both the Chinese Communist government and the US federal government.

Totally agree.

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

My dad mentioned this to me over a call earlier: what's the end game that social distancing plays into? Are we waiting around for a cure? Or are we just trying to postpone the virus inevitably infecting all of us and wreaking havoc?

I've been hanging inside BTW. I'm just curious if there is a long term plan for this thing, or if stay inside is just mean to push back the inevitable death tolls.

 

[andrewsyc]

I haven't read this entire thread but I stocked up on Chloroquine and Azithromycin, they won't be here for a couple of weeks but I figure since it's likely inevitable, might as well get it. Got enough for 15+ treatments.
My sister is the nurse of the family, I'll give them to her. Folks are past 70 so it's a good bet.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/19/f...ibiotic-combo-could-reduce-C0VlD-19-duration/

 

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[Ludachris]

My dad mentioned this to me over a call earlier: what's the end game that social distancing plays into? Are we waiting around for a cure? Or are we just trying to postpone the virus inevitably infecting all of us and wreaking havoc?

I've been hanging inside BTW. I'm just curious if there is a long term plan for this thing, or if stay inside is just mean to push back the inevitable death tolls.

I've read multiple articles about this, and others have said it here too - the end game is to try and keep the initial spread lower in the beginning so that it doesn't overwhelm the healthcare system, which would result in more loss of life. It won't necessarily prevent people from getting it, it will just delay it over time, allowing the heathcare system to keep up. Google the term "flatten the curve" and you'll get all of the info you need on it.

 

[AA1980]

The trend in reported cases isn’t looking good.

I don’t see how we avoid an economic depression either.

 

[Tammyanne]

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[MoneyDoc]

Here is a short Video to stay sane while waiting! First one I should mention is our support towards each other on this site Fastlaneforum!!!
copy n paste:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10157316383269773

View: https://www.facebook.com/tammyakosco/videos/10157316383269773/?t=188

Why did you quote his post?

 

[Tammyanne]

Here is a short Video to stay sane while waiting! First one I should mention is our support towards each other on this site Fastlaneforum!!!
copy n paste:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10157316383269773

View: https://www.facebook.com/tammyakosco/videos/10157316383269773/?t=188

Who seen this:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojrtwXqqc6g

 

[andrewsyc]

My dad mentioned this to me over a call earlier: what's the end game that social distancing plays into? Are we waiting around for a cure? Or are we just trying to postpone the virus inevitably infecting all of us and wreaking havoc?

I've been hanging inside BTW. I'm just curious if there is a long term plan for this thing, or if stay inside is just mean to push back the inevitable death tolls.

Once the meds arrive from my previous post I'll go about as usual. When you have the meds it just makes it mild or nothing at all, plus I won't be contagious.
You can take antivirals as prophylactics.

President Trump is pushing hard on those meds, FDA is going as fast as they can. I understand all the hurdles entities like the FDA have and fortunately both the anti-malarial and the antibiotic are well known and have been around for many decades, just a matter of repurposing them.

 

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[Tammyanne]

Why did you quote his post?

I did huh...I wanted to Post on C0VlD-19 forum

 

[Tammyanne]

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Ya, Right!

 

[MoneyDoc]

I did huh...I wanted to Post on C0VlD-19 forum

What does @Rivoli post have to do with your video?

 

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[Tammyanne]

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Good one!

 

[Mckenzie]

China Is Avoiding Blame by Trolling the World

Beijing is successfully dodging culpability for its role in spreading the coronavirus.

www.google.com.au

 

[lowtek]

This is terrifying...

DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

The Department of Justice has secretly asked Congress for the ability to detain arrested people "indefinitely" in addition to other powers.

www.rollingstone.com

As far as I know, they've had that for years. NDAA granted the government the right to indefinite detention about a decade ago. This was passed under Obama, along with the democratically controlled congress in his first term. This is to say nothing of Obama drone striking United States citizens, including a 16 year old boy.

The article is laughable, as if the democrats suddenly care about the constitution. They've been chomping at the bit to de facto repeal the 2A for decades, and completely forgot about closing down Gitmo, or that blanket spying on American Citizens (metadata my a$$) is unconstitutional, or that drone striking citizens without a trial is also illegal, as soon as Obama got in office

Obvious propaganda is obvious.

President Obama Signs Indefinite Detention Bill Into Law

 

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[Xeon]

One question I've been curious about. During Jan - Feb period, scientists put the Reproduction Number of C0VlD-19 below SARS, but we now know it's far higher than SARS.

Could it be that the true R0 of C0VlD-19 is actually higher than smallpox and chicken pox, perhaps a bit below measles? Maybe around 12.0? I didn't live through any measles outbreak, but was measles really that contagious? Chickenpox is said to have a higher R0 than Covid 19, but back then in my population-dense school environment, I don't even remember chickenpox spreading like Covid 19 and most of us didn't get chickenpox vaccine shots in the 1990s.

 

[JamesQB8]

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-C0VlD-19-1b767def5894

Some potentially bad science for sure but some very good points. I like to use the Bruce Lee principle of taking what is useful and disregarding what is not.

 

[lowtek]

What does that have to do with what I posted?

I'm pretty sure that my post wasn't partisan...what is the purpose of you trying to make it so?

Nothing you personally said was partisan. I wasn't attacking you. I agree with your central premise that it is scary.

However, the article you linked is clearly partisan, to the point of delusion. I was attacking it.



The implication of this statement is that the democrats are white knights of the constitution, standing up for our rights to the tyrannical Trump administration.

This is obviously contrary to reality, which is what I was pointing out.

Sure, the democrats are going to oppose it. But not because they are pro constitution. It will be because they are anti Trump.

 

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[Kak]

This is terrifying...

DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

The Department of Justice has secretly asked Congress for the ability to detain arrested people "indefinitely" in addition to other powers.

www.rollingstone.com

Holy crap that is bad. Wow.

 

[Kak]

Who cares why they oppose it?!?!

You seem to care more about the political aspects of it than the Constitutional aspects of it.

There's never an excuse to use crisis to overturn Constitutional rights. If Obama did this, they should have removed him from office. If Trump tries to do this, they should remove him from office.

There's nothing partisan about protecting the Constitution.

I agree with @lowtek that the article was a bit ridiculous and I originally posted based on the headline.

I also agree wholeheartedly with @JScott post. Protection of our rights should be apolitical. But who are we kidding. People think the government gives us our rights when they were really written to protect us from government.

The framers foresaw times just like these where society would be tempted to surrender liberty for safety. To adopt collectivist ideology for little reason other than fear of taking care of themselves. There is a reason Ben Franklin said this:



We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Life free or die.

 

[Rabby]

Every disaster is an opportunity to centralize government in general, and restrict individual rights. This one won't be any different. They'll try to pass the ban on encryption (in Congress now), and maybe they'll create a new "Department of Medical Security" that inspects people the way the TSA microwaves and molests you when traveling through the airport, but even more invasive. The solution to all this is to lobby on your own behalf when you can, support one or more think/policy tanks that you agree with, and not just let it go. I hope I'm not crossing the political line by posting this, but it's a non-partisan issue. Enjoy liberty? Don't cave. Politicians will always take advantage of disasters and the end result will be that you are less free. They will have "solved a problem," and they'll glorify themselves taking credit for your subjugation. Pretty simple historical lesson, repeated thousands of times in written history. So, expect it along with any other consequences of the pandemic, and be prepared to work against it like anything else about the pandemic.

 

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[lowtek]

Who cares why they oppose it?!?!

You seem to care more about the political aspects of it than the Constitutional aspects of it.

There's never an excuse to use crisis to overturn Constitutional rights. If Obama did this, they should have removed him from office. If Trump tries to do this, they should remove him from office.

There's nothing partisan about protecting the Constitution.

Who cares why they oppose it?!?!

You seem to care more about the political aspects of it than the Constitutional aspects of it.

There's never an excuse to use crisis to overturn Constitutional rights. If Obama did this, they should have removed him from office. If Trump tries to do this, they should remove him from office.

There's nothing partisan about protecting the Constitution.

I care about reasons because I have the capacity to be forward thinking and model the future.

Three facts:
1) We are headed for a recession
2) No incumbent president has been reelected in a recession
3) The virus will be around in 2021 and beyond.

If the democrats are opposing the DoJ because they are genuinely interested in protecting the constitution, then we have nothing to worry about.

If they are opposing the DoJ because they are opposed to the Trump admin, then there is no reason to believe such constitutional assaults won't be undertaken by the Biden administration in the very near future.

 

[Mckenzie]

Coronavirus Could Overwhelm U.S. Without Urgent Action, Estimates Say (Published 2020)

Immediate steps to limit social contact in parts of the United States where few cases have been identified are needed to slow the outbreak, a model suggests.

www.nytimes.com

 

[EVMaso]

Here's an interesting thread from someone who seems legit. It's an account of how one of their employees in China experienced life under Coronavirus lockdown, as well as his co-founder's take from Peru.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1241505683813437441

View: https://twitter.com/micjm/status/1241505683813437441

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1241505685533151232

View: https://twitter.com/micjm/status/1241505685533151232

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1241505687122763776

View: https://twitter.com/micjm/status/1241505687122763776

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1241505687881932801

View: https://twitter.com/micjm/status/1241505687881932801


Meanwhile people here are still playing in the parks . . .

 

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[EVMaso]

And his co-founder's take from Peru:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1241505688594997248

View: https://twitter.com/micjm/status/1241505688594997248

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1241505689375137798

View: https://twitter.com/micjm/status/1241505689375137798

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1241505690096549889

View: https://twitter.com/micjm/status/1241505690096549889

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1241505691606511616

View: https://twitter.com/micjm/status/1241505691606511616

 

[Rabby]

Huh? What is the line of logic here?

Why does opposing Trump mean that they'd want to assault the Constitution?

You might as well have said: "If they are opposing the DoJ because they are opposed to the Trump admin, then there is no reason to believe outlawing red and green crayons won't be undertaken by the Biden administration in the very near future."

What support do you have that opposing Trump means they are more or less likely to assault the Constitution? I know a lot of people who oppose Trump who don't want to assault the Constitution...by your line of logic above, that wouldn't be possible?

He's saying they're against Trump right now, so they'll oppose whatever he does. But that doesn't mean that they will care about the Constitution later, or that they care about it right now. It's a question of motives.