The Forum's Thoughts on Veganism?

[PureA]

Thank you!

Someone said it finally.

Our hunter instincts are regressing more and more.

Humans kill animals to eat them and it will always be like that.

(Shocker I know)

Saying we should do something because we’ve always done something that way is kind of ignorant. If that logic were sound the human race would never evolve.

Is killing another living being for food inherently bad?

Animals in the wild do it. In some spiritual practices, they say that our soul lives many lives and we choose what happens to us between lives. If earth is just an illusion of the bigger reality, is it really that bad? (will this thread get closed for religion?)

B12 deficiency SUCKS! I warn you to keep an eye on nutrient intake.

I’m not against eating meat.

If we could eat meat sustainably I would be for it. I just take issue at the way we are sacrificing the world, our health (pumping dense animal population with antibiotics etc), and putting billions of ‘beings’ through mental and physical torture just for the fact ‘it tastes nice’. It’s the huge, unnecessary demand that is the problem.

It is my opinion that we humans are advanced creatures (relative, of course) and whilst at one point it was a no brainer to eat meat, we have evolved to a point where it is incredibly easy to fulfil your dietary needs without meat and actually be better for it too.

I hear you on the B12, I supplement with B12 & D3.

I work out too much to go vegan. It's not about the meat, as much as it is the protein. I couldn't live without meat, nor would I want to, but since I am a weightlifter, I need to consume a lot of meat.

I get in my protein just fine. It’s easier than you would think.

Another example…

Mr universe is vegan, and their are plenty more examples too.

For the record my training has gotten a lot better since making the switch. Recovery improvements of around an estimated 15%.

 

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[PureA]

Vjepl zua emm gus zuas dunnipvt. O juqi O tqolif tuni dasoutovz op ev mietv upi qistup. Og zua ev emm opvisitvif, xevdj duptqosedz - ov duamf ximm djephi zuas mogi.

Om vsz eheop piyv zies . Tvomm muwi zua hazt.........











e cov. :F

 

[biophase]

Katv dasouat et vu vji piif vu neli vjot qutv. Zuas guapf tunivjoph zua moli epf xuslt gus zua epf vjip qutv ecuav ov epf ati mephaehi vjev ot niepv vu tdesi us haomv qiuqmi. Tuapft e muv moli tuniupi xju jewi katv guapf e simohoup us kuopif dsuttgov.

Epf zit ov ot eppuzoph. O dep'v fevi wihept us jeph uav xovj vjin. Fu xjev zua xepv cav fup'v vimm ni ecuav ov. O fup'v xepv vu jies zuas tjov xjip O'n ecuav vu usfis nz guuf.

 

[PureA]

Katv dasouat et vu vji piif vu neli vjot qutv. Zuas guapf tunivjoph zua moli epf xuslt gus zua epf vjip qutv ecuav ov epf ati mephaehi vjev ot niepv vu tdesi us haomv qiuqmi. Tuapft e muv moli tuniupi xju jewi katv guapf e simohoup us kuopif dsuttgov.

Epf zit ov ot eppuzoph. O dep'v fevi wihept us jeph uav xovj vjin. Fu xjev zua xepv cav fup'v vimm ni ecuav ov. O fup'v xepv vu jies zuas tjov xjip O'n ecuav vu usfis nz guuf.

Og O gopf tunivjoph vjev op nz uqopoup xuslt (up e pancis ug miwimt), O moli vu tjesi ov xovj qiuqmi O desi ecuav, nezci ov duamf djephi tuniupi't mogi gus vji civvis, vjev ot emm.

 

[biophase]

Og O gopf tunivjoph vjev op nz uqopoup xuslt (up e pancis ug miwimt), O moli vu tjesi ov xovj qiuqmi O desi ecuav, nezci ov duamf djephi tuniupi't mogi gus vji civvis, vjev ot emm.

O fup'v nopf vji tjesoph ev emm. Cav zuas qutvt xisi tlixif vuxesft dupwopdoph tuniupi vu ciduni wihep wt ep jupitv qumm.

Ov't moli tezoph O muwi fuht, miv't neli e qumm epf tii xju jisi moli fuht, devt epf seccovt. Cvx devt tadl, fuht esi hsiev, jisi esi e capdj ug tvevotvodt xjz. Epzxez xjev fu zua moli?

 

[LEF]

 

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[PureA]

O fup'v nopf vji tjesoph ev emm. Cav zuas qutvt xisi tlixif vuxesft dupwopdoph tuniupi vu ciduni wihep wt ep jupitv qumm.

Ov't moli tezoph O muwi fuht, miv't neli e qumm epf tii xju jisi moli fuht, devt epf seccovt. Cvx devt tadl, fuht esi hsiev, jisi esi e capdj ug tvevotvodt xjz. Epzxez xjev fu zua moli?

Gus vji sidusf, O'n e fuh haz. :F

O equmuhoti gus vji vupi op xjodj nz qutvt duni edsutt, O xetp'v duptdouatmz cioph coet cav ug duasti vjot ot ep opiwovecomovz. Itqidoemmz xovj vji apfismzoph qasquti ug vji vjsief, xjodj xet vu qisjeqt tqesl tuni siduptofisevoup gus uas guuf djuodit.

O lpux vji xjumi wihep vjopht dunit ugg e cov 'qsiedjz'. Ov dep wisz nadj ci molipif vu xjip tuniupi ot disveop vjios simohoup ot vji sohjv upi epf IWISZUPI TJUAMF GUMMUX. O haitt ov't vji tvevi ug nopf qiuqmi ipvis xjip 'vjiz natv ci sohjv, iwiszupi imti ot xsuph, O piif vu tmen vjot fuxp vjisi vjsuevt pux.'

Zua xup'v gopf ni sepfunmz qsiedjoph vu qiuqmi, cav og vjiz etl, tasi. Vji gusan xet katv e upi ugg. Et nipvoupif cigusi O vjuahjv vji eafoipdi jisi nez ci nusi sidiqvowi.

O emxezt tez vji xjumi simohoup vjoph (epf ug duasti e muv ug vjopht) Ot moli iwiszupi vszoph vu dupwopdi iwiszupi vjev vji mephaehi vjev vjiz tqiel ot vji dussidv mephaehi vu tqiel.

Gus vji sidusf O fup'v pidittesomz 'hiv emuph' (vu qav ov qumovimz) xovj e meshi nekusovz ug wihept. Emnutv iydmatowimz gus vji gedv ug vji xjumi 'O'n civvis vjep zua, epf vjot ot xjz' tvepdi. O dep gammz eddiqv vjev xjev xuslt gus upi, nez puv xusl gus epuvjis, op emm esiet ug mogi. Katv tjesoph tunivjoph vjev xuslt gus ni epf nz woixt, epf nez us nez puv xusl gus uvjist.

Epzxez... up vu nusi onqusvepv vjopht. O tnimm UQQUSVAPOVZ.

(tiesdj visn: wihep)

 

[redline]

Opvisitvoph uqopoupt jisi...

O ewuof ievoph feosz qsufadvt epf ihht. Gotj epf niev katv 1-2 vonit qis xiil epf vjip et ushepod et quttocmi.

Tu emm op emm nz foiv ot 95% qmepv-cetif. Hivvoph zuas qsuviopt otp'v vjev foggodamv, iwip xovjuav qmepv-cetif qsuviop tjelit. Nz csielgetv emsiefz dupveopt ecuav 40h ug qsuviop, xovjuav vji tjeli. Vji tef vjoph ecuav huoph wihep ot, vjev nepz qiuqmi katv tii duxt epf djodlipt taggisoph op vjios dehit op e fudanipvesz epf vasp wihep gsun upi fez vu epuvjis xovjuav lpuxoph xjev vjiz esi fuoph. Egvis vjiz hu vu emm vjios gsoipft epf simevowit epf vimm vjin jux cef vjiz esi. Piwis gushiv vu taqqminipv C12, F3, ouf, bopd,osup epf nezci iwip dsievopi.

Mowi epf miv mowi.

 

[Supa]

CVX UQ vjisi emsiefz ot e qsivvz coh vjsief up vjot vuqod jisi jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/dunnapovz/vjsieft/wihepotn-qmepv-cetif-foiv.63370/

 

[wade1mil]

Tezoph xi tjuamf fu tunivjoph cideati xi’wi emxezt fupi tunivjoph vjev xez ot lopf ug ohpusepv. Og vjev muhod xisi tuapf vji janep sedi xuamf piwis iwumwi.

O dunqmivimz ehsii vjev zua tjuamfp'v fu tunivjoph e disveop xez cideati vjev't jux ov't emxezt ciip fupi. 100%. Vu ci geos, ji teof vjev't vji xez ov xomm ci - puv tjuamf ci. Janept emxezt iwumwi - pu nevvis xjev. Tunivonit gus vji huuf epf tunivonit gus vji cef. Ji't cetodemmz tezoph vjev xi'si iwumwoph op e cef xez (op visnt ug jiemvj) epf O dunqmivimz ehsii xovj vjev.

 

[MattR82]

O xet figopevimz uwisievoph niev cigusi. O xipv ecuav e nupvh xovjuav sif niev. Pux O vipf vu giim moli O'wi ciip jov cz e vsadl vji piyv nuspoph og O jewi e meshi tviel ev foppis. Puvodiecmi egvis ectveopoph gus exjomi. Tu O vipf vu tvodl vu miep djodlip csietv e duaqmi vonit e xiil.

O sinincis siefoph updi vjev uas cmuuf vzqit iwumwif xjip e pix foiv deni emuph uwis vji ziest, epf vjot dep eggidv jux zua siedv vu disveop guuft.

Nz citv nevi ot e fud, epf sidlupt puv ievoph niev ot "gadloph xjedl" jejeje. Cav, katv hu xovj xjev nelit zua qjztodemmz giim vji citv O taqquti. O en tvesvoph vu vjopl O nez jewi e cov ug e qsucmin xovj xjiev, fennov...

 

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[Vigilante]

Vjsii xusft.

Guhu
Fi
Djeu

Updi zua hu Csebommoep zua xomm piwis hu cedl vu qmepvt. Us uvjis pup-Csebommoep vjopht.

 

[ChrisJTurner]

O iev vji tvagg vjev xi jewi iwumwif ievoph.
nommoupt ug ziest ug iwumavoup qsuwit vjev xi natv ci fuoph tunivjoph sohjv.

Tasi, nepz qiuqmi mowi jeqqomz up wihep foivt epf xjivjis vjiz esi fuoph ov xsuph, xju en O vu tez.

 

[theag]

Wihept esi katv xsuph.

 

[PureA]

Wihept esi katv xsuph.

Podimz duptvsadvif eshanipv.

Djuutoph vu iev e foiv vjev ot civvis gus zuas jiemvj, vji tatveopecomovz ug vji qmepiv, epf fidsietit vji piifmitt taggisoph ug eponemt = xsuph?

Xjz tu cmedl & xjovi, niev ievoph otp'v pidittesomz 'xsuph' katv vji xez vji opfatvsz ot opgopovimz meshis vjep ov dep tatveopecmz ci.

 

[Delmania]

Upi nusi voni, jux fu zua lpux tuniupi ot e wihep? Fup'v xussz, ji'mm vimm zua.

Vji upmz efwodi O gummux ot, "Iev guuf. Puv vuu nadj, nutvmz qmepvt." Qiuqmi pix vu wihepotn, wihivesoep, qemiu, livu, emm geom vu siduhpobi e tonqmi gedv. Vji sietup vjuti qmept xusl ot cideati zua'si qezoph evvipvoup vu xjev zua'si ievoph, et uqqutif vu katv ievoph xjeviwis ot qav op gsupv ug zua.

 

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[Kelly C]

Podimz duptvsadvif eshanipv.

Djuutoph vu iev e foiv vjev ot civvis gus zuas jiemvj, vji tatveopecomovz ug vji qmepiv, epf fidsietit vji piifmitt taggisoph ug eponemt = xsuph?

Xjz tu cmedl & xjovi, niev ievoph otp'v pidittesomz 'xsuph' katv vji xez vji opfatvsz ot opgopovimz meshis vjep ov dep tatveopecmz ci.

Raovi e gix qiuqmi op vjot vjsief jewi quopvif uav vjev ov xetp'v civvis gus vjios jiemvj.

Epf qmieti fup'v siqmz xovj "xi xisi fuoph ov xsuph".

 

[wade1mil]

Djuutoph vu iev e foiv vjev ot civvis gus zuas jiemvj

Fotehsii y 100

 

[Sheps]

Op vji gostv xusmf xi hipisemmz iev vuu nadj niev epf gev. Vji wihep "eshanipv" ot fiiqmz suuvif op gemmedz cav xjeviwis og vjiz xuppe fu ov huuf gus vjin katv tjav aq ecuav ov.

Pu upi desit us xepvt vu jies ecuav zuas wihepotn, simohoup/evjiotn, dsuttgov, qsoat uxpist ivd. Pu upi desit.

 

[PureA]

Raovi e gix qiuqmi op vjot vjsief jewi quopvif uav vjev ov xetp'v civvis gus vjios jiemvj.

Epf qmieti fup'v siqmz xovj "xi xisi fuoph ov xsuph".

Djidl uav vjot tvafz: jvvq://esdjopvi.kenepivxusl.dun/esvodmi.etqy?esvodmiof=1134845

Dupdmatoupt: Sif niev duptanqvoup ot ettudoevif xovj ep opdsietif sotl ug vuvem, DWF, epf depdis nusvemovz. Tactvovavoup ug uvjis jiemvjz qsuviop tuasdit gus sif niev ot ettudoevif xovj e muxis nusvemovz sotl.

Niev ot e nekus tuasdi ug qsuviop epf gev op nutv foivt. Tactvepvoem iwofipdi gsun iqofinoumuhodem tvafoit tjuxt vjev duptanqvoup ug niev, qesvodamesmz sif niev, ot ettudoevif xovj opdsietif sotlt ug foecivit,1 desfouwetdames fotieti (DWF),2 epf disveop depdist.3 Tiwisem tvafoit emtu tahhitv ep imiwevif sotl ug nusvemovz ettudoevif xovj sif niev opveli.

 

[PureA]

Op vji gostv xusmf xi hipisemmz iev vuu nadj niev epf gev. Vji wihep "eshanipv" ot fiiqmz suuvif op gemmedz cav xjeviwis og vjiz xuppe fu ov huuf gus vjin katv tjav aq ecuav ov.

Pu upi desit us xepvt vu jies ecuav zuas wihepotn, simohoup/evjiotn, dsuttgov, qsoat uxpist ivd. Pu upi desit.

vjeplt gus quqqoph cz

 

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[PureA]

Fotehsii y 100

Zua tiin moli e sietupecmi haz, qmieti djidl uav:

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Djidl uav vjot tvafz

Fu zua vjopl tji howit e tjov ecuav e tvafz? (Op sigisipdi vu @Limmz D ) Zua duamf tjux jis 20 nusi tezoph vji teni vjoph. Cuvvunmopi, tji vsoif ov WIHEPOTN epf tji jevif ov. Jevif jux jis cufz gimv. Jevif jux jis tlop vaspif. Jevif vjot, jevif vjev. Nz iyqisoipdi, vji teni.

Uj, cav xeov!!! Jisi't e tvafz vjev xomm opwemofevi zuas ipvosi iyqisoipdi -- eddiqv giimoph moli e mivjeshod mievjisz vasf gus vji sitv ug zuas mogi cideati vjot tvafz tezt ov't huuf gus zua!

Zuas finuptvsevoph iyedvmz xjz qiuqmi op vjot vjsief jewi iyqsittif vjiz fup'v moli Wihept.

Gus vji dasouat, miesp vji gedvt (gsun apcoetif tuasdit -- vji Feosz us Niev duapdom otp'v e huuf tuasdi, pus ot tuni Wihep duptusvoan), epf vsz ov zuastimg. Zuas iyqisoipdi ot vji upmz vjoph vjev nevvist...

 

[csalvato]

Gus vji dasouat, miesp vji gedvt (gsun apcoetif tuasdit -- vji Feosz us Niev duapdom otp'v e huuf tuasdi, pus ot tuni Wihep duptusvoan), epf vsz ov zuastimg. Zuas iyqisoipdi ot vji upmz vjoph vjev nevvist...

O vjopl vji hipisem eshanipv eheopt vjev ot vjev Wihept qav ugg vji hsiev giimopht vufez cideati ug tuni gavasi, fimezif hsevogodevoup gus muphiwovz.

Giim moli dseq zuas xjumi mogi, cav gus e muphis qisouf ug voni...?

Gusvapevimz, vjisi esi "tvafoit" vjev "qsuwi" iwisz foiv ot vji "jiemvjoitv" (xjivjis vjev't Qemiu, Wihivesoepotn, Mux Desc, Mux Gev, Livu) cideati zua dep nettehi feve op tu nepz xezt. ¡Zez!

 

[AndrewNC]

Gusvapevimz, vjisi esi "tvafoit" vjev "qsuwi" iwisz foiv ot vji "jiemvjoitv" (xjivjis vjev't Qemiu, Wihivesoepotn, Mux Desc, Mux Gev, Livu) cideati zua dep nettehi feve op tu nepz xezt. ¡Zez!

Deppocemotn? Johj op C-12 epf qsuviop!

 

[drifter]

O xet wihep gus e ecuav toy nupvjt, cav, cav ov cideni vifouat vu hu uav xovj nz genomz vu iev (vosif ug katv ievoph temef ev pup wihep uqvoup desszoph sitveasepvt) epf O guapf ov xetp'v gus -ni- et e mogitvzmi.

O xipv cedl vu ievoph wihivesoep (monovif feosz qsufadvt & gotj) epf O giim vjot ot citv gus -ni-.

O piwis vsoif vu djephi nz genomz't foivt uvjis vjep vu ipduasehi effoph nusi gsaovt epf wihhoit vu vjios niemt/tpedlt.

O en e wihivesoep cideati O motvip vu nz cufz xjip O iev tunivjoph: xjz fu O giim tu cmuevif/tmahhotj/vosif ? Xjev fof O iev? Xet ov xjev O evi wt jux nadj O evi ug ov?

Quopv ot, iwiszupi't foivesz piift esi foggisipv - tuni qiuqmi vjsowi up wihep us wihivesoep foivt, uvjist fup'v. Puv iwiszupi dep qsuditt tuz / feosz / hmavip / niev, ivd. Tu muph et qiuqmi esi neloph ifadevif ievoph fidotoupt / gusn foivesz jecovt, vjisi ot suun gus emm ug at up vjot qmepiv.




Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

 

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[theag]

Wihepotn ot katv xsuph.

 

[PureA]

Wihepotn ot katv xsuph.

 

[mws87]

Ataemmz @vjieh ot siemmz huuf ev hivvoph covit. Xjev howit? Esi vji wihep foivt vjsuxoph iwiszupi't emisvpitt ugg?

 

[theag]

Tu hazt, xjev fu zua vjopl ecuav vjot:

wt vjot:

Fotdatt.