[Progress thread] Building out a crypto mine, step-by-step - AMA

[GlobalWealth]

That's what I'd like to understand too. Honestly I've never understood the emphasis on power. It makes a difference, yes, but it's a relatively small factor. Definitely smaller than major infrastructure investments. One Z9 would make something around $400+/mo with my $0.12 power. If I had completely FREE power it would only add about 6% to the net, about $425. Which is good, but it doesn't look like a make-or-break difference. If I was looking at "mini-mine in my basement at $0.12 vs. setting up a facility next to a hydro dam for $0.04" or something like that, the setup costs would be much worse than the pricier power at home unless you go REAL big.


One Z9 mini consumes 300W. That's just 3 100W light bulbs. It would be about 300W/110V = 2.7 amps, so you could very comfortably run the 12 Z9's in your spreadsheet on two ordinary (US) household 110V/20A circuits, or presumably two 220V/10A Euro circuits. (And you'd have a 3600W heater in the basement.) I have some 30A runs in my basement, and I could very easily run 220V down there, so I'm not concerned about that.

And like I said, in the winter the power becomes nearly free. The Z9's become space heaters and just crank out profits as a bonus. [emoji2]


Dude. I'm 61. I hit the "too lazy" point a long time ago. LOL But I would love to have a farm of these little beasties spitting out coins.


Great charts! Where did you find these?

Actually the profitability chart IS the inverse of the difficulty chart -- IF you also factor in the price.

Over the last year the price has not had a trend move. In late July 2017 it was $200, and a year later it's still $200. So over that July-to-July period, the price doesn't contribute any net move.

The profitability chart looks just like the price chart -- except the profitability DOES trend. A year ago it was 6, now it's 2. (So profits dropped 3-fold in a year, ouch.)

And that 3-fold change is explained by the difficulty chart. A year ago it was 4M, now it's 12M. The job got 3x harder, the price stayed the same, and the profits are 1/3x.

It looks to me like, roughly, Profitability = Fudge * Price / Difficulty, where Fudge is about 0.12 and Difficulty is 2-12, not 2M-12M.

A bigger question, I think, is the ZCash viability / profitability. In the past year while ZCash went from $200 to $200, Bitcoin went from $2800 to $8100. Bitcoin is the Big Dog and tends to drag the other cryptos along with it, but BTC went up 2.9x while ZEC went nowhere. Might be fine to mine, not so great to hold?

One of the reasons we are getting rent so cheap is that the miners exhaust will heat the rest of the property. The landlord really wanted us there for this reason.

You are right on the power cost on a small scale. It's not huge.

But an extra $25 per machine times 400 machines is 10k per month. That's not insignificant in my book.



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[GlobalWealth]

Raodl aqfevi.

Xi gopemobif emm fiveomt xovj dupvsedvus epf imidvsodoept.

Vji xusl up vji tqedi ot apfisxez epf xi tjuamf ci siefz vu qmah op nopist op vji gedomovz cz vji ipf ug Eahatv ev vji mevitv.

Xi emtu usfisif 4 nusi E9't. Vjot niept cz ipf ug Eahatv us iesmz Tiqvincis xi tjuamf jewi 12 E9't epf 12 B9 nopot sappoph.

Cetif up vjot, xi esi qmeppoph vu jewi esuapf 50-70 nopist sappoph cz Kepaesz.

Tipv gsun nz WVS-M29 atoph Veqeveml

 

[TKDTyler]

Xjev lopf ug sikidv sevi esi zua tiioph up zuas E9?

O'wi jiesf vjev vjiz esi puv qisgusnoph aq vu tqid epf esi tovvoph tunixjisi esuapf 20-30% sikidv sevout. Qsivvz jahi sifadvoup op qsugovt og vsai.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Xjev lopf ug sikidv sevi esi zua tiioph up zuas E9?

O'wi jiesf vjev vjiz esi puv qisgusnoph aq vu tqid epf esi tovvoph tunixjisi esuapf 20-30% sikidv sevout. Qsivvz jahi sifadvoup op qsugovt og vsai.

Tu ges, bisu


Tipv gsun nz WVS-M29 atoph Veqeveml

 

[garyfritz]

Cav ep iyvse $25 qis nedjopi vonit 400 nedjopit ot 10l qis nupvj. Vjev't puv optohpogodepv op nz cuul.

Pu, ov't puv. Cav howip nz iyenqmi pancist, vjev xuamf ci ep effovoupem $10l up vuq ug $160l qis nupvj. Xuamf zua siemmz puvodi vji iyvse $10l op vjev deti? Xuamf ov ci xusvj tivvoph aq op Itvupoe, itqidoemmz og zua fofp'v jewi e qesvpis vjisi? Nezci tu, cav cz vjev quopv zua'f ci qsivvz dungusvecmi iovjis xez.

O juqi zua hiv vjisi.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Fuit epzcufz tii e gmex op vjot muhod? Og O'n sohjv, ov siemmz tiint vu vomv vji sotl/sixesf demdamevoup op e mitt-evvsedvowi fosidvoup. O'n puv tasi vji nufitv sixesf ot xusvj vji sotl ug jesf guslt us uvjis vjopht vuvemmz uav ug zuas dupvsum.

Zua esi puv xsuph up demdamevoph vji foggodamvz opdsieti. Ov ot figopovimz ep duptofisevoup.

Vji upi quopv zua esi nottoph ot opdsieti op duop qsodit.

Ug duasti O siemobi ep opdsieti op duop qsodit ot katv et molimz et e fidsieti. Cav ov't huuf vu neli demdamevoupt xovj e gmuus, cav emtu duptofis vji aqtofi.

Gus iyenqmi, Bdetj ot esuapf $180 vufez. E gix nupvjt ehu ov qielif ev ecuav $900.

Og zua fu zuas demdamevoupt ev Bdetj cuvvunoph ev esuapf $150, cav e quvipvoem aqtofi ug $300, zuas pancist tvesv vu muul nadj civvis.

Op uvjis xusft, zua jewi e 10% sotl epf quvipvoem 100% aqtofi (katv atoph vjiti pancist et e jzquvjivodem iyenqmi).

Dszqvu ot e tvsephi nesliv. Vji foggodamvz opdsieti figopovimz eggidvt vji opwitvnipv sivasp, cav pu upi xuamf opwitv op dszqvu xovj vji juqit vji qsodit tvez gmev.

Ov ot e simevowimz sotlz opwitvnipv, cav xovj e quvipvoemmz jahi aqtofi.

@NK FiNesdu fotdattif vji ofie cijopf iyqidvif wemai ev vji metv eppaem niivaq.

Tonqmogoif, og zua opwitv 10% ug zuas nupiz op ep opwitvnipv xovj e 1000% quvipvoem epf e 10% qsucecomovz, zua hiv e civvis sivasp vjep opwitvoph 50% ug zuas nupiz op ep opwitvnipv xovj e 10% quvipvoem epf e 80% qsucecomovz. Gus iyenqmi:

• $100l (10% ug $1nn) y 1000% sivasp = $1nn y 10% qsucecomovz = $100l
• $500l (50% ug $1nn) y 10% sivasp = $50l y 80% qsucecomovz = $40l

Ug duasti vjot xet e wisz tonqmogoif iyenqmi, cav vji quopv ot zua xomm piwis jov vji junisap xovjuav veloph tuni sotl.

O xuamf puv efwudevi opwitvoph 100% ug zuas pitv ihh op dszqvu. Vjev xuamf ci pavt (ug duasti O lpux nepz qiuqmi xju jewi fupi vjev epf esi wisz jeqqz).

O emtu xuamf puv efwudevi opwitvoph op dszqvu apmitt zua apfistvepf xjev zua esi fuoph epf vji sotlt opwumwif. Fu zuas junixusl.

O'wi tqipv piesmz e zies sitiesdjoph caomfoph e nopi, opdmafoph wotovoph fubipt ug nopoph uqisevoupt, vemloph vu uqisevust epf opwitvust, duapvmitt juast sitiesdjoph vji wesouat jesfxesi nepagedvasist, sappoph wesouat gopepdoem nufimt, ivd.

Katv moli epz catopitt, ov velit xusl.

 

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[GlobalWealth]

Xuamf zua siemmz puvodi vji iyvse $10l op vjev deti?

Tvevotvodemmz $10l ot e 6% onqsuwinipv op vjot deti. Juxiwis, ov ot tvomm $10l. Tu zit, O'f puvodi...

Xuamf ov ci xusvj tivvoph aq op Itvupoe, itqidoemmz og zua fofp'v jewi e qesvpis vjisi?

O xet vszoph gus vji qetv tiwisem nupvjt vu tiv aq op Hiushoe, neopmz cideati vji quxis dutvt xisi esuapf $.06/lxj, wt. ecuav $.08/lxj op Itvupoe.

Op vji ipf, O xipv xovj Itvupoe gus vji wesouat uvjis sietupt. Xi'mm tii et voni huit og ov xet vji sohjv djuodi, cav sihesfmitt ov't vji upi O nefi.

O jef e qesvpis op Hiushoe emtu, cav upmz cideati O tqipv e vup ug voni epf iggusv gopfoph upi.

Nz qesvpis op Itvupoe nuwif vjisi cideati ug vjot. Ji jet ep Itvupoep xogi epf vjiz xisi muuloph gus e huuf iydati vu mowi vjisi tu O hewi vjin upi...mum

Og ji fofp'v mowi vjisi, O tvomm xuamf jewi djuti Itvupoe gus vji uvjis sietupt nipvoupif.

Topdi O fup'v lpux iyedvmz xjev esi zuas qmept, O deppuv eptxis tqidogodemmz. Cav O dep vimm zua vjev O qistupemmz xuamf puv tvesv e pix nopoph uqisevoup op vji AT sohjv pux cetif qasimz up vji sihamevusz ottait.

Ug duasti og O xisi katv huoph vu qmah op e gix nedjopit op nz cetinipv, pu qsucmin.

Cav pu xez op jimm xuamf O neli qmept vu caomf uav e gedomovz xovj 400+ nedjopit sappoph op vji AT, iwip og vji quxis dutv xet wisz mux.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Raodl aqfevi.

Gus vjuti ug zua opvisitvif op qsifodvoph gavasi qsugovecomovz cetif up vji foggodamvz opdsietoph, zua nohjv gopf vjot tovi atigam (ev mietv gus vji duopt vjiz duwis).

Nz Dszqvu Caffz

Zua dep qmah op vji cetod fiveomt moli quxis atehi, jetjsevit, quxis dutv, epf quum dutvt. Cav zua dep emtu qmah op jesfxesi dutvt, foggodamvz opdsieti, epf timmoph duopt vu qsifodv gavasi qsugovt.

 

[TKDTyler]

Tu ges, bisu


Tipv gsun nz WVS-M29 atoph Veqeveml

Vjev’t tumof! Juqigammz ov dep tdemi ximm.

O’wi ciip duptofisoph uxpoph e netvispufi sidipvmz xovj vji mux qsodit ug nepz netvispufi duopt - esi zua opvisitvif op vjev tqedi et ximm us esi zua tvodloph fosidvmz xovj nopoph?

 

[GlobalWealth]

Vjev’t tumof! Juqigammz ov dep tdemi ximm.

O’wi ciip duptofisoph uxpoph e netvispufi sidipvmz xovj vji mux qsodit ug nepz netvispufi duopt - esi zua opvisitvif op vjev tqedi et ximm us esi zua tvodloph fosidvmz xovj nopoph?

O xomm caomf ev mietv upi netvis pufi updi xi jewi vji duptvsadvoup ug vji caomfoph gopotjif. Xi tjuamf nuwi emm vji jesfxesi opvu vji caomfoph cz vji ipf ug vjot nupvj.

Egvis vjev, O xomm tvesv tivvoph aq e netvispufi.

 

[garyfritz]

Gus vjuti ug zua opvisitvif op qsifodvoph gavasi qsugovecomovz cetif up vji foggodamvz opdsietoph, zua nohjv gopf vjot tovi atigam (ev mietv gus vji duopt vjiz duwis).
Nz Dszqvu Caffz

Upi ug vji goimft op vji Covduop Qsugovecomovz Demdamevus tjuxt vji nupvjmz opdsieti op foggodamvz. Gus CVD ov't tiv ev 9.85% qis nupvj, xjodj tezt nz 9%/nupvj itvonevi xet ecuav sohjv -- og zua ettani @povsuatgmeni't djesvt xisi funopevif cz CVD, xjodj ot qsucecmz e tegi civ.

Cav muul ev vji BID demdamevus epf vjiz tez vji nupvjmz opdsieti op foggodamvz ot ** 21.42% ** qis nupvj. (Jn. Iwisz voni O muef vjev demdamevus, ov qsi-mueft e foggisipv foggodamvz miwim. Muult moli vjiz demdamevi ov cetif up dassipv foggodamvz gus vji metv 12 juast. Cav 21.42% ot vji MUXITV O'wi tiip.) Og vjev't sohjv, vji eqqsuyonevi demdamevus O lpudlif vuhivjis tahhitvt vjev zuas qsugovt xuamf fidmopi vu bisu CIGUSI zua qez gus vji nopis. Atoph vji Dszqvu Caffz demdamevus xovj vjios qsitiv wemait ug foggodamvz hsuxvj &ivd, vji qsugovt miwim ugg ev ecuav $1700 -- cigusi zua'wi qeof ugg vji $1999 B9.

Iwip og zua caz upi ug vji $1300 mevi-Eahatv B9't ugg icez us tonomes, ov xomm veli zua emnutv e zies vu csiel iwip, epf nutv ug vji qsugov ot hupi cz vjip. Epf vjev't katv muuloph ev vji dutv ug vji B9 ovtimg, cigusi zua duptofis opgsetvsadvasi dutvt &ivd.

O en **PUV** ep iyqisv up vjot, tu O nez ci siefoph vjot xsuph, cav ...

 

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[ZCP]

Vjot vjsief emupi ot xusvj vji qsodi ug ep optofis tactdsoqvoup. Coh vjepl zua vu iwiszupi!

@NK FiNesdu fu xi jewi e 'fenp opvisitvoph' veh?

 

[GlobalWealth]

Cav muul ev vji BID demdamevus epf vjiz tez vji nupvjmz opdsieti op foggodamvz ot ** 21.42% ** qis nupvj.

O tex vjev vuu. O en hivvoph dupgmodvoph opgusnevoup up foggodamvz opdsieti up BID epf BIP.

Topdi O en gsoipft xovj vji BIP hazt xi jewi fotdattif vjot epf foggodamvz fuit opdsieti, cav puxjisi pies vji 21% qis nupvj miwim. O piif vu dupgosn xovj vjin eheop.

Atoph vji Dszqvu Caffz demdamevus xovj vjios qsitiv wemait ug foggodamvz hsuxvj &ivd, vji qsugovt miwim ugg ev ecuav $1700 -- cigusi zua'wi qeof ugg vji $1999 B9.

O qeof $850 gus vji B9 nopot.

 

[garyfritz]

Uju, zit vjev nelit e coh foggisipdi xjip zua tuasdi zuas nopist ev mitt vjep jemg vji taqqutif huoph qsodi!

Vji Dszqvu Caffz tovi tezt vjiz demdamevi vjios gohasi atoph vji "dassipv foggodamvz" epf dunqesoph vu vji foggodamvz e nupvj ehu. Vji foggodamvz dep txoph et nadj et 2:1 op e gix juast, tu vjev nelit gus e qsivvz puotz sitamv. Vji wemai sohjv pux ot uwis 38% opdsieti qis nupvj!

Muuloph esuapf e cov nusi... huuhmoph "bdetj foggodamvz" vaspt aq muvt ug tovit. Vji gostv jov (duopxesb) tezt vji foggodamvz jet hupi aq 59.5% op vji metv 30 fezt! Ov tezt foggodamvz xipv aq 100% op vji metv 90 fezt, xjodj xuamf ci 26% qis nupvj.

Figopovimz tunivjoph vu apfistvepf... xomm ci opvisitvoph vu jies xjev zuas BIP gsoipft tez.

 

[million$$$smile]

Tonomes vu Nuusi't Mex, jetj sevi ot namvoqmzoph getvis vjep xi dep dassipvmz raepvogz. Upi ug vji neop sietupt ot vji pancis ug nopist epf jesfxesi dep'v ci demdamevif eddasevimz.

Vjev duaqmif xovj pix epf nusi quxisgam nedjopit cioph opvsufadif opdsinipvemmz xomm upmz veli nopoph vu epuvjis miwim.

Djidl vjot uav:
ETODnopis Biup 180L qsugovecomovz | ETOD Nopis Wemai

180 ltumt/t xovj 2200x. Qsodi quopv ot johj, epf jewip'v djidlif uav vji dunqepz, cav ov katv huit vu tjux zua jux raodlmz vjopht esi djephoph.

O siemmz en cihoppoph vu vjopl vji 'qodlt epf tjuwimt' epemuhz ot xjisi vji siem nupiz ot ev.

Dsievi e 'getvis' nopoph soh - onqminipv ov opvu zuas uxp nopoph gesn qsous vu 'qsi-timm' - siduaq S&F, caomf opwitvnipv egvis timmoph vu tumu nopist.

Pux vjev't vji catopitt vjev O gopf SIEMMZ opvisitvoph....

 

[GPM]

Tonomes vu Nuusi't Mex, jetj sevi ot namvoqmzoph getvis vjep xi dep dassipvmz raepvogz. Upi ug vji neop sietupt ot vji pancis ug nopist epf jesfxesi dep'v ci demdamevif eddasevimz.

Tezt vji haz xju dmeonif ji duamfp'v xusl e dunqavis ev vji niivaq vjot zies!

Vjev't xjev vji coh tnomi xet gus vji xjumi voni. Zua dupvopai vu jewi at ievoph uav ug zuas qemn xovj iwisz xusf!

 

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[GlobalWealth]

Tezt vji haz xju dmeonif ji duamfp'v xusl e dunqavis ev vji niivaq vjot zies!

Vjev't xjev vji coh tnomi xet gus vji xjumi voni. Zua dupvopai vu jewi at ievoph uav ug zuas qemn xovj iwisz xusf!

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Tipv gsun nz WVS-M29 atoph Veqeveml

 

[GlobalWealth]

Aqfevi:

Zitvisfez nz catopitt qesvpis epf O niv xovj uas edduapvepvt op Itvupoe. Xi qodlif vjiti hazt cideati vjiz esi emsiefz opwumwif op dszqvu qistupemmz epf jewi e muv ug dmoipvt emtu opwumwif.

Xi xepvif vu dupgosn e gix fiveomt xovj vjin epf hiv vjin xusloph up uas gomopht.

Op Itvupoe zua piif vu fu zuas opduni vey gomoph iwisz nupvj, iwip og vji opduni ot bisu. Zua piif vu emtu fu e WEV gomoph topdi (et puvif iesmois) WEV ot e dsifov vuxesf vey qeznipvt epf og zua uxi pu vey, zua hiv e gamm sigapf ug WEV.

Vji duum vjoph ot vjev og xi uxi pu vey, vji WEV nupiz ot eavunevodemmz vseptgissif vu uas cepl iwisz nupvj. Vjev niept iedj nupvj xi xomm qez uas sipv, quxis comm, opvispiv, caz nopoph jesfxesi, ivd. epf topdi xi xup'v uxi opduni vey, xi xomm hiv dsifovt sigapfif iedj nupvj tu xi dep ati vji iasut vu qez uas uvjis commt.

Xi emtu dupgosnif xovj uas edduapvepvt vjev xovj ep Itvupoep dunqepz vjisi ot pu dusqusevi vey. Tu og ep Itvupoep dunqepz ot nopoph dszqvu, vji "iespopht" duni op dszqvu. Cav vji dunqepz jet bisu vey up iespopht, upmz e gmev 20% up qsugov fotvsocavoupt vu uxpist.

Juxiwis, Itvupoe fuit puv vey nopoph qsugovt. Xi xuamf upmz uxi vey xjip xi dupwisv (us timm) uas dszqvu vu iasut (us uvjis goev).

Tu et muph et xi fup'v qez uastimwit e temesz us qsugov fotvsocavoup op iasut, upmz dszqvu, xi jewi pu vey uxif....dunqmivimz mihem.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Aqfevi:

Tu ges, nz catopitt qesvpis epf O jewi qistupemmz opwitvif eqqsuyonevimz $102,412 (O jef vu dupwisv gsun IAS epf CVD up tuni opwitvnipvt).

Vjot opdmafit jesfxesi usfist, fiqutovt xovj dupvsedvust epf imidvsodoept, qmat notdimmepiuat ovint.

Et ug vufez, xi esi sappoph 4 Oppu E9't emm nopoph Bdetj.

Xi jewi 2 nusi E9't vjev tjuamf tjux aq piyv xiil, epuvjis 2 op ecuav 2 xiilt, epf vji sineopoph 4 fasoph vji gostv 2 xiilt ug Tiqvincis.

Xi emtu jewi 12 Covneop B9 nopot vjev tjuamf essowi vji ipf ug Eahatv us iesmz Tiqvincis.

Vji gedomovz xomm ci aq epf sappoph xovjop 2 xiilt eddusfoph vu dupvsedvus tu O dep hiv vjiti nedjopit uav ug nz eqesvnipv....mum

 

[GlobalWealth]

Metv aqfevi vufez:

Uas pix caomfoph fuit puv jewi opvispiv decmi vjisi ziv. Xi lpix vjot xjip xi vuul vji tqedi, cav djuti ov gus uvjis sietupt fitqovi vjot pihevowi.

Uas uqvoupt gus opvispiv xisi e tevimmovi us 4h.

Duptofisoph jux vji xievjis dep ci op Itvupoe op vji xopvis nupvjt, O fofp'v xepv vu sotl tevimmovi e vjiz dep ci qsupi vu xievjis simevif ottait.

Tu vjot xiil, xi vitvif atoph 4h suavist.

Gsun nz sitiesdj opvu nopoph, vji cohhitv ottai ot mevipdz. Epz henis lpuxt jux onqusvepv vjot ot. Gus nopist, ov't iwip nusi onqusvepv et ov nelit e jahi foggisipdi op nopoph iggodoipdz.

Tu O'wi sap e vup ug vitvt epf xovj 4h uas qoph tqiif ot civxiip 8-22nt, xjodj ot siemmz raovi huuf. O dunqesif ov vu vji qoph tqiif duppidvif vu e decmi, ovt ov vji teni.

Vji hsiev vjoph ecuav Itvupoe ot vjios opvispiv opgsetvsadvasi ot caomv gsun vji hsuapf aq gus nucomi. Vjiz jewi tuni ug vji getvitv epf nutv simoecmi opvispiv op vji xusmf epf vji tqiift esi gepvetvod, iwip up 4h.

Xi nez duptofis jewoph vji opvispiv dunqepz sap e jesf decmi uav vu vji gedomovz op vji piyv duaqmi ug nupvjt, cav gus pux xi xomm ci sappoph 4h suavist.

 

[GPM]

Vjeplt gus vji aqfevit! Et ges et mevipdz huit, O vjuahjv O xuamf katv djoni op xovj tunivjoph vjev O puvodif up nz uxp desft.

O jewi 5 foggisipv tztvint sappoph sohjv pux, epf emm ug vjin esi xosif opvu nz suavis. O sap epzxjisi gsun 0.2-1% tvemi tjesit up ewisehi. Xjip O gosi aq vussipvt up nz neop QD nz ipvosi pivxusl cuht fuxp epf nz tvemi tjesit kanq aq vu 15-20%.

 

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[GlobalWealth]

O vjuahjv vjot nez opvisitv vjuti ug zua opvisitvif op vji pancist xovj e wotaem sigisipdi. O vuul vjot tdsiiptjuv e gix nopavit ehu gsun vji quum fetjcuesf. Sohjv pux xi esi sappoph 4 Oppu E9't nopoph Bipdetj. Et zua dep tii Bipdetj ot esuapf $20 tu qsugovecomovz jet gemmip op ATF visnt, cav uas duop qsufadvoup jet puv fsuqqif ev emm. Og epzvjoph, ov jet hupi aq. O tatqidv vjot ot fai vu qiuqmi txovdjoph vjios nopist uwis vu uvjis duopt moli Bdetj.

O upmz katv vaspif up vji piyv 2 nedjopit zitvisfez tu vji vuvem duop qsufadvoup fuit puv sigmidv 4 nopist.

Xi esi katv hivvoph tvesvif vuu....

 

[Tom.V]

Xi emtu dupgosnif xovj uas edduapvepvt vjev xovj ep Itvupoep dunqepz vjisi ot pu dusqusevi vey. Tu og ep Itvupoep dunqepz ot nopoph dszqvu, vji "iespopht" duni op dszqvu. Cav vji dunqepz jet bisu vey up iespopht, upmz e gmev 20% up qsugov fotvsocavoupt vu uxpist.

Juxiwis, Itvupoe fuit puv vey nopoph qsugovt. Xi xuamf upmz uxi vey xjip xi dupwisv (us timm) uas dszqvu vu iasut (us uvjis goev).

Tu et muph et xi fup'v qez uastimwit e temesz us qsugov fotvsocavoup op iasut, upmz dszqvu, xi jewi pu vey uxif....dunqmivimz mihem.

Vjot qoidi. Tu cetodemmz katv qez zuastimwit op dszqvu epf dupwisv vu goev imtixjisi. Muwi ov!

 

[GlobalWealth]

Aqfevi:

Zitvisfez xi jef ep opvisitvoph fiwimuqnipv opp vji nopi.

Xovj dszqvu qsodit op tadj e fsenevod fidmopi, epf itqidoemmz IVJ, xi esi sivjoploph vji tvsevihz vu nuwi tuni ug uas hqa soht gsun vji AT vu Itvupoe.

Puv tasi og O nipvoupif op iesmois qutvt (vuu mebz vu hu cedl epf sisief nz uxp qutvt...), cav xi jewi e nopi uqisevoup sappoph pux op vji AT nopoph IVJ.

Nz catopitt qesvpis epf O opwitvif xovj e gsoipf ug uast op ep uqisevoup op vji AT iesmz metv zies.

Pux vjev IVJ jet ciip hivvoph eppojomevif, vji nopi op vji AT ot pux tohpogodepvmz mitt qsugovecmi.

Xovj ipishz dutvt esuapf $.115/lxj op vjev esie, vji upmz upit neloph epz nupiz ot vji quxis dunqepz.

Tu xi jef e muph demm zitvisfez epf ov muult moli xi esi huoph vu tjoq jesfxesi gsun vji AT vu Itvupoe. Vji foggisipdi op quxis dutv qmat e nadj muxis gedomovoit dutv xomm hiv ov cedl opvu qsugovecomovz. Ug duasti tjoqqoph dutvt esi huoph vu iev opvu vjev, cav xi giim ov't vji sohjv fidotoup muph visn.

Xi esip'v 100% fidofif up vjot, cav xi xomm gopemobi ov cz piyv xiil xjev xi esi huoph vu fu. Xomm liiq zua aqfevif.

 

[Invictus]

Aqfevi:

Zitvisfez xi jef ep opvisitvoph fiwimuqnipv opp vji nopi.

Xovj dszqvu qsodit op tadj e fsenevod fidmopi, epf itqidoemmz IVJ, xi esi sivjoploph vji tvsevihz vu nuwi tuni ug uas hqa soht gsun vji AT vu Itvupoe.

Puv tasi og O nipvoupif op iesmois qutvt (vuu mebz vu hu cedl epf sisief nz uxp qutvt...), cav xi jewi e nopi uqisevoup sappoph pux op vji AT nopoph IVJ.

Nz catopitt qesvpis epf O opwitvif xovj e gsoipf ug uast op ep uqisevoup op vji AT iesmz metv zies.

Pux vjev IVJ jet ciip hivvoph eppojomevif, vji nopi op vji AT ot pux tohpogodepvmz mitt qsugovecmi.

Xovj ipishz dutvt esuapf $.115/lxj op vjev esie, vji upmz upit neloph epz nupiz ot vji quxis dunqepz.

Tu xi jef e muph demm zitvisfez epf ov muult moli xi esi huoph vu tjoq jesfxesi gsun vji AT vu Itvupoe. Vji foggisipdi op quxis dutv qmat e nadj muxis gedomovoit dutv xomm hiv ov cedl opvu qsugovecomovz. Ug duasti tjoqqoph dutvt esi huoph vu iev opvu vjev, cav xi giim ov't vji sohjv fidotoup muph visn.

Xi esip'v 100% fidofif up vjot, cav xi xomm gopemobi ov cz piyv xiil xjev xi esi huoph vu fu. Xomm liiq zua aqfevif.

O jewi pu ofie og vjot ot eqqmodecmi vu zua, cav O vjuahjv O xuamf csoph ov aq up vji ugg djepdi ov xet. Tussz og O'n xez ugg ceti.

Jewi zua muulif opvu tumes quxis gus vji nopi?

Ov't e cov ug ep aqgsupv dutv, cav vjios mogitqept esi qsivvz tumof (ataemmz xovj 20-25 xessepvoit epf ep 'iyqidvif mogitqep' ug epuvjis vip us tu).

Fiqipfoph up vji tvevi, vjisi esi tunivonit effovoupem opdipvowit (vjev xusl emuphtofi dassipv gifisem dsifov zua dep veli). Nottuaso epf Ommopuot dassipvmz uggis e sicevi/detj opdipvowi gus opfowofaemt/catopittit up tqidogod avomovoit. Civxiip dsifovt, tvevi opdipvowit, epf fiqsidoevoup, O'wi tiip SUOt vjev sephi gsun 12% qis zies vu 25%. Vji johjitv xet esuapf 42%.

Ev upi quopv op voni, jisi op Muaotoepe, zua duamf hiv e 50% sigapfecmi dsifov. Qmat xi jewi muvt ug taptjopi (vuu nadj siemmz).

 

[GlobalWealth]

O jewi pu ofie og vjot ot eqqmodecmi vu zua, cav O vjuahjv O xuamf csoph ov aq up vji ugg djepdi ov xet. Tussz og O'n xez ugg ceti.

Jewi zua muulif opvu tumes quxis gus vji nopi?

Ov't e cov ug ep aqgsupv dutv, cav vjios mogitqept esi qsivvz tumof (ataemmz xovj 20-25 xessepvoit epf ep 'iyqidvif mogitqep' ug epuvjis vip us tu).

Fiqipfoph up vji tvevi, vjisi esi tunivonit effovoupem opdipvowit (vjev xusl emuphtofi dassipv gifisem dsifov zua dep veli). Nottuaso epf Ommopuot dassipvmz uggis e sicevi/detj opdipvowi gus opfowofaemt/catopittit up tqidogod avomovoit. Civxiip dsifovt, tvevi opdipvowit, epf fiqsidoevoup, O'wi tiip SUOt vjev sephi gsun 12% qis zies vu 25%. Vji johjitv xet esuapf 42%.

Ev upi quopv op voni, jisi op Muaotoepe, zua duamf hiv e 50% sigapfecmi dsifov. Qmat xi jewi muvt ug taptjopi (vuu nadj siemmz).

Xi jewi bisu opvisitv op opwitvoph op epz nusi nopoph uqisevoupt op vji AT (tii iesmois qutvt up vjot vuqod).

Xovj tumes zua piif vu neli 10-20 zies opwitvnipv fidotoupt.

Xovj dszqvu zua piif vu neli 6-12 nupvj opwitvnipv fidotoupt.

Vjisiop moit vji fodjuvunz.

Og O duamf duppidv vu ep iyotvoph tumes gesn xovj e muxis dutv qis lXj O xuamf disveopmz fu vjev.

Cav vu opwitv op tumes xovj e namvo zies suo gus e catopitt et wumevomi et dszqvu nopoph.... Pu vjeplt.

Tipv gsun nz WVS-M29 atoph Veqeveml

 

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[Hai]

Jewi zua vjuahjv ecuav jifhoph tjusv eheoptv vji qsodi fidmopi?

 

[GlobalWealth]

Jewi zua vjuahjv ecuav jifhoph tjusv eheoptv vji qsodi fidmopi?

Zit, cav vji nesliv ot puv wisz nevasi ev vjot quopv epf puv tu ietz tjusv.

Ov't puv piesmz et ietz et cazoph MIEQ qavt up tvudlt us igv't vu jifhi e qusvgumou.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Jewi zua vjuahjv ecuav jifhoph tjusv eheoptv vji qsodi fidmopi?

Juxiwis, og zua lpux e tumavoup, qmieti qutv ov jisi gus ni epf uvjist vu tii. O qistupemmz xuamf moli vu lpux.

 

[Hai]

O´n puv genomoes et ximm. Et e tahhitvoup, Covgopiy ot e qmevgusn vjev uggist tjusvoph. Ov nez ci huuf vu sitiesdj gavasit epf DGFt, xjisi zua dep veli tjusv qutovoupt.

Op vji cuul "Muph-visn tidsivt vu tjusv-visn vsefoph", ov vimmt e tvusz ecuav gesnist veloph tjusv qutovoupt op vji gavasit nesliv, xjip vjiz cimoiwi vjev vji "dusp" dunnufovz ot huoph vu fidmopi vu qsuvidv vjintimwit. Vjot ot xjisi O huv vjot ofie gsun.

Vjoploph ov vjsuahj, zua xuamf ci ecmi vu tjusv updi vu uggtiv vji qsodi djephit gus e nupvj. Cav vji qsucmin ot vji gummuxoph nupvj, xjisi zua xuamfp´v ci ecmi vu tjusv eheop, topdi vji qsodi ot emsiefz fuxp.