Losers vs Winners

[KenDunlop]

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum.
I wanted to share a big paradigm I have of Losers vs Winners to see what other like-minded people think. A lot of these ideas came to me as I watched other people at a terrible job I had.

LOSERS	WINNERS
Think small	Think big
Think short-term	Think long-term
Find excuses	Find solutions
Fear losing what they have	Look forward to gaining more
Rush	Keep a steady, sustainable pace
Start projects	Finish projects
Wish to return to the past	Look forward to the future
Escapism​	Reality
Want other people to be losers​	Want other people to be winners.
Resent success	Emulate success
Do one thing, say another	Do what they say they'll do
Consumers	Producers
Afraid to be a winner	Not afraid to be a loser

Having this list has actually inspired some changes in me. I quit porn completely because I realized that porn was a form of escapism.
I'm not saying everything I do is in the 'winner' category yet, in fact it may never be, but I've found the Winners vs Losers paradigm really useful for what behaviours I should cultivate.

Anyway, let me know if you have anything to add to the list and it may become even more useful.

 

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[jdm667]

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum.
I wanted to share a big paradigm I have of Losers vs Winners to see what other like-minded people think. A lot of these ideas came to me as I watched other people at a terrible job I had.

LOSERS	WINNERS
Think small	Think big
Think short-term	Think long-term
Fear losing what they have	Look forward to gaining more
Rush	Keep a steady, sustainable pace
Start projects	Finish projects
Wish to return to the past	Look forward to the future
Escapism​	Reality
Want other people to be losers​	Want other people to be winners.
Resent success	Emulate success
Do one thing, say another	Do what they say they'll do

Having this list has actually inspired some changes in me. I quit porn completely because I realized that porn was a form of escapism.
I'm not saying everything I do is in the 'winner' category yet, in fact it may never be, but I've found the Winners vs Losers paradigm really useful for what behaviours I should cultivate.

Anyway, let me know if you have anything to add to the list and it may become even more useful.

Nice list @KenDunlop

You missed a big one though: "finds excuses" vs. "finds solutions".

 

[KenDunlop]

Nice list @KenDunlop

You missed a big one though: "finds excuses" vs. "finds solutions".

Oh, I missed plenty! I actually have a much longer list in my phone I made years ago, what I posted above was the abridged version with what I thought were the most important ones. I'll add it.

 

[Kak]

Reminds me of locus of control

 

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[Anon3114]

Winners are not afraid to be losers. Losers are afraid to be winners.

 

[Stargazer]

Half of your loser list applies to Richard Branson so maybe don't worry about lists so much eh?

Just worry about making yourself the best version of yourself.

Dan

 

[KenDunlop]

Half of your loser list applies to Richard Branson so maybe don't worry about lists so much eh?

Just worry about making yourself the best version of yourself.

Dan

@Stargazer Eh? I'm honestly curious about which 'Loser' behaviours Richard Branson is doing. Is he thinking small? Only thinking short-term? Does he start projects but never finish them?
It's difficult to see how someone could meaningfully be a success doing any of the behaviours in the Loser list.

 

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[KenDunlop]

Winners are not afraid to be losers. Losers are afraid to be winners.

@robins Not bad, I'll add it!

 

[Anon3114]

(...) so maybe don't worry about lists so much eh?

I would argue with that. Lists can be a great reminder of what we value -- the contrast between what we were versus to what we are striving for.

 

[KenDunlop]

I would argue with that. Lists can be a great reminder of what we value -- the contrast between what we were versus to what we are striving for.

That's what happened to me! I don't want to be a sucker who reads a lot of books, takes a lot of notes, and then doesn't implement what they learned. With the porn thing, I took a look at what I was doing and faced the fact that it fit the 'escapism' category and was a 'Loser' behaviour. In some ways the guilt of disobeying one of the principles I'd written down helped me to quit.
Lists may not work for everyone, but coming up with an explicit set of principles and then trying to apply them is a big help.

 

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[ZCP]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUmAEoj8fOI

 

[TSM]

@Stargazer Eh? I'm honestly curious about which 'Loser' behaviours Richard Branson is doing. Is he thinking small? Only thinking short-term? Does he start projects but never finish them?
It's difficult to see how someone could meaningfully be a success doing any of the behaviours in the Loser list.

He rips off the UK government at every opportunity. Very short term, dumps other people in the shit at the first sign of trouble and all round sleezebag. He must be paying a lot of hush money to his Virgin Airlines staff from the 90's.

 

[KenDunlop]

I would argue with that. Lists can be a great reminder of what we value -- the contrast between what we were versus to what we are striving for.

I actually made another list, too. Early on in my journey I listed my perfect day, and on the left side I put what I was currently doing. Needless to say, there was a big difference. In my perfect day I woke up in a big bed at home, and didn't 'have' to go to work because I could work from home. In real life, I woke up in a small bed and had to take a bus to work. It was humbling seeing just how different my life was from what I wanted, but I thought it was a necessary step.
This comparison made me realize that my day often ended with jerking off to porn, but it was hard to imagine that happening in my ideal life. Another reason to ditch the porn for me.

 

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[KenDunlop]

He rips off the UK government at every opportunity. Very short term, dumps other people in the shit at the first sign of trouble and all round sleezebag. He must be paying a lot of hush money to his Virgin Airlines staff from the 90's.

I haven't looked much at Richard Branson over the years so I won't argue about what he's doing. However, I don't see how this contradicts the 'Losers vs Winners' paradigm. If Richard Branson has started thinking short-term, then in that respect at least, he's a Loser after all. Question is, did he build his empire by thinking short-term or using other 'Loser' behaviours?

It's possible for someone to be a Loser in one respect and a Winner in another.

 

[Anon3114]

I actually made another list, too.

In my opinion, this one by MJ is exactly for you:

View: https://youtu.be/eKt59HIl8Ok

 

[KenDunlop]

In my opinion, this one by MJ is exactly for you:

View: https://youtu.be/eKt59HIl8Ok

Oh the ten year plan thing? Yeah, that's great, I did that recently. I hadn't yet read MJ's work when I made the old list, but looking back I guess it was something of a 10-year plan. Nowadays I do have my 10, 5 and 1-year plan and I'm excited to see how the 1-year plan will go.

 

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[Anon3114]

That's great!

 

[Stargazer]

I would argue with that. Lists can be a great reminder of what we value -- the contrast between what we were versus to what we are striving for.

Sure thing, but to suggest people who have the traits of the first column as losers is ridiculous.

Successful people don't go around calling people losers.

It's highly unlikely you do what a successful athlete does. That doesn't make you a loser does it?

So I guess that is my issue here. Probably just me though. Which is fine.

I also frequently see posts which more or less insinuate jobs are for suckers.

Well if people who write such things truly believe that, how will they employ people? It' s an absurd thing to write.

A good way of looking at lists is what 10 things do winning teams do compared with how we do things and how can we implement them.

Dan

 

[Stargazer]

@Stargazer Eh? I'm honestly curious about which 'Loser' behaviours Richard Branson is doing. Is he thinking small? Only thinking short-term? Does he start projects but never finish them?

Hi Ken

The half I was referring to is short term, find excuses, rush and start projects and maybe a couple of others like he was panicking big time last year about losing it all.

Some entrepreneurs stick to one thing for years and others hop from one thing to another like a rabbit.

Depends upon your personality I guess but the latter often display all of both of your lists.

Dan

 

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[KenDunlop]

Hi Ken

The half I was referring to is short term, find excuses, rush and start projects and maybe a couple of others like he was panicking big time last year about losing it all.

Some entrepreneurs stick to one thing for years and others hop from one thing to another like a rabbit.

Depends upon your personality I guess but the latter often display all of both of your lists.

Dan

Must admit this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If an entrepreneur hops from one thing to another and never finishes anything, surely they won't finish any products and they'll have nothing to sell? They won't finish their website and they'll have nothing to sell that product on. They're only going to be successful to the extent that they do follow through.

That's how the list works, I think. How could you become successful (by any definition) if you resent the successful, don't do what you say you'll do, or consume more than you produce? Surely sooner or later your bad behaviour is going to catch up to you? You're making it sound as though the 'Loser' list and the 'Winner' list are just two equal, but different strategies.

 

[Stargazer]

You're making it sound as though the 'Loser' list and the 'Winner' list are just two equal, but different strategies.

I have not in the slightest bit written that . Neither list is strategy for starters.

Branson has had over 200 companies. Many have gone bust. In fact almost all of them have. He didn't spend much time on the ones that disappeared yet others have made huge companies in the same categories therefore he could have too by default.

Virgin Cars for example ceased quite quickly yet Cazoo has just ben valued at £5 billion after just 18 months. Both selling cars over the internet direct to customers.

So is he a loser? Because he was short term , had a raft of excuses, rushed off to the next thing

He is a very successful entrepreneur.

You will note I never picked the half of the list you just wrote.

Dan