this has gone of course a bit
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Free registration at the forum removes this block.But I do have to thank you for reminding me again why money doesn't correlate with anything real.
Just for the sake of sharing can you please tell me the name of your company so I'll make a note never to do business with you or your company.
There's a reason why I don't share anything identifiable about my businesses...
For all you know I could be Richard Branson or Sergey Brin.
Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realize you made this thread with provocative title and then start to cry when somebody disrespectfully disagrees with your idiotic notions about things you clearly have no experience with.
Learning to program is stupid!
Count me in as *stupid* -- I'd rather be stupid and rich, than smart and poor.
Just for the sake of sharing can you please tell me the name of your company so I'll make a note never to do business with you or your company.
Count me in as *stupid* -- I'd rather be stupid and rich, than smart and poor.
In all seriousness, I didn't comment on this thread because I feel it was delivered in an "all or none" fashion -- "learning to program is stupid" is an absolute statement that leaves no room for interpretation w/respect to individual strengths or weaknesses.
Sorry, but its symbolic to how much value you have given. Money is highly correlated to value.
So you call him out on the very thing you refuse to do.
After looking at the registration for your account, it's safe to say you're not.
I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying - the delivery, not so much.
I just see thread after thread of people saying,
Count me in as *stupid* -- I'd rather be stupid and rich, than smart and poor.
I outlined the problem for you. As long as you don't know where you're going, you will never get there.At this point. I have no business. I don't even have an idea. I am finishing the university, I will be 30 when I am done. Still young, atleast, I feel young. When I dedicate to those 10 years learning how to code, wouldn't that be something that help me to get fastlane then?
I will still be able to learn other stuff (I start to really re-love human resources again), learning new skills (including marketing etc).
The goldmine is the internet. That's where the money is made nowadays. B&M companies will always be there, but the entry cost is way higher and perhaps too high for most. Internet is a smart and low cost way to start your business.
You say, that building a superb software (is app also software?) is extremely complex. I can only imagine how complex it must be to make something that people can really use, with only using numbers and letters during the producing process.
I think that's where healthstatus and you agree on. You both say that's is dumb to start to learn how to program without a clear idea just to build a superb application. Especially when you consider a lot of the posters here say they will all learn this in a couple of months. I think that's insulting to guys like Healthstatus, MJ and you.
Ten years of your life is long, especially if you don't know why you are learning it. I decided two weeks ago that I will not learn how to code. You and healthstatus cleared it up for me even more why I won't. "It's too hard" may sound like a limiting believe. Tony Robbins would be angry. Then again, to become an entrepreneur you don't really need to learn to code. It's not just about that. With that, I agree with Healthstatus, that, if you want to become an entrepreneur and make money you are better of learning how to sell.. Being an mediocre coder with superb sell capability might get you further as an entrepreneur then the other way around?
If I spend 30-60 a day (that's what I am willing to give) for the next 10 years, with all I have read about it, I will be not much more then an okay programmer. I would be able to build websites (but, there are plenty templates and wordpress).
But remember that it's equally dumb to start learning marketing if you don't even have a product what to market.
I'm not saying that sit on the sofa until the magic idea appears but instead learn and research how to cultivate ideation and trust me, ideas will start popping up
Let's say I learn marketing. I have several skills I am accumulating. I am learning a new language at the moment, I am learning creative writing and I am learning a lot about negotiating at the moment.
Let's say, in a few years, I realise there is a need for a product. But, it has nothing to do with coding. Wouldn't you say, that it's way better to learn marketing? You learn how to sell any product/service you come up. If you learn how to code, you can only bring something coded to the market, and you are not even capable of selling it. Maybe u make something like Likwid24, maybe you start importing/exporting .. maybe you enter real estate, .. maybe coding..
Wouldn't you say it's then better to have a skill that is more broadly and can be aplied in whatever fastlane-business you enter, then doing it the other way around: learning how to code, and making that your only road for entry?
My $.02 on the topic. The computer/pc is possibly the most important tool invented in the history of mankind.
You are stupid to not learn at least the basics of how it works. Everyone should know how to write a simple program.
It's like saying you shouldn't learn math because you could hire someone to do math for you.
As this thread goes on and on, I'd just like to point one thing as someone who programs since elementary school.
Programming is a lifestyle, a life choice. Programmers are super geeks. Learning never stops. You gotta love it. Just go to stackoverflow and browse threads a bit until you find a conflict of opinions. You'll see some very harsh flaming there and very burning emotions over "upvote" or "downvote".
Why I say all this? Just to point out that many take "learning programming" too lightly. It got too complex and it gets more complex. There's much more components to it than newb can comprehend. It would be similar to asking "should I learn to build a house". You sure can - I know people who did. Build it on your own (bring friends to help), do the plumbing yourself, the electrity, everything. You can get a decent house that way + bragging rights, and lose a ton of time in the process.
So in general, to make an typical app or website by today's standards all on your own, here's a list of some things
you need to learn, a knowledge set to do it yourself:
1. HTML
2. CSS
3. JavaScript
4. Some server side programming language
5. SQL and database design
Ok, so that's 5 languages - and it's just a bare minimum to make an app or dynamic website.
So when you learn all this, you can make your app that functions but is ugly and non-marketable
because we haven't even touched yet on:
6. Design
7. User experience
But ok, you cover that too, either by hiring someone to do it,
or adding even that to your skillset.
So now your website finally shines on your big nice monitor,
and you're finally ready to do it! You feel proud and start
sending link to friends, just to hear from them "it's not working",
"it's sort of broken", "i get some warning".
Oh, no. We forgot to make sure your website looks and works properly on
all major operating system x web browser type x web browser version combo.
And also on monitors of different size. And on mobiles.
Yes, different browsers, and different versions of the same browser see your
site differently, and have different "skill level" at interpreting your creation.
So you have to take care of:
8. Cross browser and cross platform compatiblity. (and good good luck with Internet Explorer,
which you will HAVE to cover due to it's market share. It will tear your dreams apart. Just seeing
your creation in this garbage browser can make you want to give it all up. Try typing "ie hate" into
any search engine, even bing::smx1
Ok, with that out of the way, you're finally good to go, so put your app online and enjoy. Everything
will probably be cool. You don't have to check stats, you'll know when you get big, as your website
will be so hacked and owned in no time! Because you didn't even have a clue that there's a thing called:
9. Security
You didn't cover that. Just made your app work, in belief no one will try to access it in malicious way. But they will. You don't even have to make it. You can have the lousiest site ever, with 1 visit a month. Some automated bot will find your vulnerable contact form, and use it to send 10k spam emails on your behalf, and at your expense. So then will your host hopefully shut down your site and send you a warning, because if they don't you can get blacklisted for spamming.
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CONCLUSION:
I, who know to program and have even build quite complex apps on my own - plan to delegate programming to someone else as soon as I can as it just takes too much time. Just in the past month I had to familiarize with 5 new APIs, and right this moment I'm learning LESS (extension of CSS).
You can get a strong hold of it, and nothing bad in learning, just be aware that it takes a lot of time, and decide for yourself.
And whenever you get a hold of it, there's something new to learn.
This is why there are front-end developers, back-end developers, database administrators...
Geeks (if any) please spare me tech remarks ("js can also be used server-side" etc.)
I just tried to paint a rough picture that things are more complex than usually perceived.
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