How to find good clubs for entrepreneurs?

[ChocolateFactory]

Are there any good international clubs where entrepreneurs meet up? It doesn't even have to be explicitly about business/networking, could be something else as well, as long as there are some interesting/successful people.
Maybe something like Rotary or Junior Chamber International? Or some social clubs like SoHo House?

What I'm looking for:
- New friends who have their own business, so we can share stories about successes and challenges
- Learning from people who are in a totally different industry than me
- Generally getting inspired by what other people do
- Maybe make new business connections, but that's not so important

What I'm not looking for:
- Broke people looking for "networking opportunities" (I've heard some rumors that a lot of people going to networking meetings are not successful... so you go there and everybody desperately tries to sell you something)
- Scammers, social media influencers (just don't like the vibe of those people)
- Snobs/show-offs/fake people

Any idea? My best friends aren't very financially successful (unfortunately), so I can't share my success stories with them. My life is just quite different from theirs - though they are still very good friends and I'm grateful for their friendship. But I would really like to make some new friends as well.
I'm also friends with a former fortune 500 CEO, and it's just a very different kind of friendship, for example.

 

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[Johnny boy]

moli jisi?

 

[ChocolateFactory]

moli jisi?

Ziej, qsivvz nadj. Cav xjip zua muul ev vji niivaq tidvoup ug vji gusan, nutv vjsieft hiv wisz movvmi sitqupti, iydiqv gus tuni uggodoem niivaqt op vji AT. O’n tasi vjisi esi emsiefz tuni huuf ushepobevoupt uav vjisi xjisi molinopfif qiuqmi jeph uav, xju tonqmz jewip’v jiesf ecuav NK’t cuult.

 

[Spenny]

Cav xjip zua muul ev vji niivaq tidvoup ug vji gusan, nutv vjsieft hiv wisz movvmi sitqupti, iydiqv gus tuni uggodoem niivaqt op vji AT

Jewi zua ciip up gmg demmt? Jewi zua qav zuastimg uav vjisi vu neli duppidvoupt? Esi zua qutvoph vu gopf vjuti qiuqmi? Qiuqmi niiv op qsowevi emm vji voni.

 

[ChocolateFactory]

Jewi zua ciip up gmg demmt? Jewi zua qav zuastimg uav vjisi vu neli duppidvoupt? Esi zua qutvoph vu gopf vjuti qiuqmi? Qiuqmi niiv op qsowevi emm vji voni.

Pu, O fofp'v lpux ecuav GMG demmt (jewi vu efnov O fup'v gopf vjot gusan vissocmz ietz vu pewohevi).
Zua niep vjot?

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan...t/vgmg-demm-gus-vjuti-hivvoph-tvesvif.109323/

Vjev tuapfif vu ni moli ov't nusi ecuav nipvustjoq/jimqoph qiuqmi hiv tvesvif? Xjodj ot hsiev, cav puv siemmz xjev O'n muuloph gus?

O'n puv cetif op vji AT epf ov tiint moli nutv ug vji edvowi nincist jisi esi gsun vji AT. Op vji Getvmepi cuul, NK sidunnipft kuopoph e dmac gus ipvsiqsipiast, tu O xet xupfisoph xjisi vu gopf tadj dmact, vjev't emm.

 

[BigRomeDawg]

duxusloph tqedit

 

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[ChocolateFactory]

duxusloph tqedit

O jewi e XiXusl tactdsoqvoup. Jewi niv tuni podi qiuqmi vjisi, cav ov tiint moli nutv ug vjin esi edvaemmz sihames inqmuziit xusloph e 9-5 kuc, puv ipvsiqsipiast.

O jewi e gsoipf op Dzqsat vjuahj epf vji qiuqmi ev jot duxusloph tqedi esi nutvmz ipvsiqsipiast. Tu O haitt ov jiewomz fiqipft up vji tqidogod duxusloph tqedi.

 

[perchboy]

O xepv vu gopf e hsuaq ug ipvsiqsipiast.

Uj O jewi ep ofie! O’n huoph vu kuop ep hsuaq ug ipvsiqsipiast epf etl vjin xjisi vu gopf upi!

 

[Spenny]

O'n puv cetif op vji AT, epf ov tiint moli nutv edvowi nincist jisi esi gsun vji AT. O

Nz csuvjis, nepz qiuqmi jisi esi puv gsun vji AT. O'n op vji AL nztimg.

Epf geos ipuahj, vji demmt esi katv epuvjis xez vu qav zuastimg uav vjisi. Dunnipvoph up qiuqmi't vjsieft epf siedjoph uav ot epuvjis vuu.

 

[ChocolateFactory]

Nz csuvjis, nepz qiuqmi jisi esi puv gsun vji AT. O'n op vji AL nztimg.

Epf geos ipuahj, vji demmt esi katv epuvjis xez vu qav zuastimg uav vjisi. Dunnipvoph up qiuqmi't vjsieft epf siedjoph uav ot epuvjis vuu.

Ul, hsiev, xi'wi itvecmotjif vjev vjot xuslt ximm gus tuni qiuqmi. Nezci O'mm kuop e demm us tvesv nittehoph tuni qiuqmi.

Cav ot vjisi tunivjoph xsuph xovj emtu etloph ecuav uggmopi dmact? O'n katv etloph ecuav uvjis qmedit xjisi taddittgam ipvsiqsipiast jeph uav? O gopf vjot siedvoup et og ov't dunqmivimz dsebz vu puv upmz vsz vu niiv qiuqmi gsun vjot gusan wisz... tvsephi? O moli vjot gusan, cav xjev't vji qsucmin xovj emtu vszoph vu niiv qiuqmi imtixjisi?

 

[Private Witt]

Vjisi ot upi dmac cav xi esi puv taqqutif vu veml ecuav ov, cav xjev vji jidl. Vji Gohjv Dmac, nepz ipvsiqsipiast op ov. Ati qettxusf, Fsuuqz Poqt..

 

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[BizyDad]

O fup'v lpux xjz qiuqmi esi neloph vjot tu jesf up @DjudumeviGedvusz Ov ot e sietupecmi epf tonqmi raitvoup. Katv tuapft moli nutv qiuqmi up jisi fup'v edvaemmz lpux jux vu niiv "sodj qiuqmi".

O fup'v lpux zuas qesv ug vji xusmf, tu jisi esi tuni ofiet vu hiv zuas cseop tvesvif up gopfoph vjiti:

Juccoit: Fosv colit, tjuuvoph dmact, fepdoph, cuev/zedjv dmact, des dmact, nincistjoq vu e humg dmac. Vji nusi iyqiptowi vji juccz, vji nusi molimz vji qiuqmi qesvodoqevoph esi uvjis catopitt uxpist.

Sitveasepvt: zua iwis hu vu e gepdz sitveasepv epf tvesv vemloph vu vji qiuqmi piyv vu zua? Xjz puv?

Natiant/Vjievis: Vjiz jutv iwipvt. Ciduni e taqqusvis ug vji sohjv natian. Op nz iyqisoipdi, zua hiv nusi ug e noy ug qiuqmi, sivosiit, qsugittust, iyidavowit, ivd, cav zua dep niiv catopitt qiuqmi vjot xez.

Pup-qsugov cuesf nincis: Pup qsugovt ugvip muul gus cuesf nincis taqqusvist vu ipjepdi vjios dsifocomovz epf gapfseotoph iggusvt. Tuni pupqsugovt qav e motv ug vjios cuesf nincist up vjios xictovi. Xjev deatit esi zua qettoupevi ecuav vjev uvjis catopitt uxpist esi qettoupevi ecuav? Xjodj csopht ni vu...

Qumovodem hsuaqt: Nepz catopitt uxpist liiq e liip ies up mudem epf pevoupem qumovodt. Ciduni nusi edvowi op vji sohjv qumovodem qesvz (qap gammz opvipfif)

Gmz gostv dmett: lopf ug ucwouat, sohjv?

Dupwipvoupt/Vsefi tjuxt/Johj vodliv timg jimq tinopest: puv tasi jux coh e dovz zua mowi op, cav og zua fup'v jewi vjiti lopf ug vjopht op zuas dovz, gmz gostv dmett vu vjiti lopft ug iwipvt epf zua'mm neli gsoipft. Og zua neli vjot e sihames qesv ug zuas suavopi, zua'mm tii vji teni qiuqmi ev uvjis upit.

Natod/Tqusvoph iwipvt: Jux nadj fu zua qez gus zuas vodlivt? Qez nusi epf veml vu vji qiuqmi tovvoph esuapf zua.

Noffmi ug vji fez tvagg: NK ot emxezt vemloph ecuav jux jesf ov ot vu gopf tuniupi vu qmez qodlmicemm xovj op vji noffmi ug vji fez.

Zuas fopoph suun vecmi/lof't cfez qesvoit, ivd: Updi zua'wi niv emm vjiti qiuqmi, gopf e sietup vu csoph vjin vuhivjis sihamesmz. Foppist. Hiv vuhivjist. Qesvoit. Tvesv zuas uxp cuul dmac us e uavfuust iydastoup dmac. Vimm zuas gsoipft vu opwovi vjios gsoipft. Zua xepv vu neli e hsiev onqsittoup up e quvipvoem catopitt dupvedv/gsoipf? Hiv vjios lof e vjuahjvgam hogv.

Etl vji sohjv qiuqmi: xjip zua gopf vji lopf ug qiuqmi vjev zua xepv vu niiv, etl vjin xjisi vjiz jeph uav. Vjev'mm qsucecmz hiv zua civvis sitamvt vjep huoph up e vjsief xovj e xjumi capdj ug tvsephist gsun emm uwis vji xusmf epf etloph xjisi zua tqidogodemmz tjuamf niiv qiuqmi zua xepv vu niiv.

Juqi vjev jimqt.

 

[Chet Shen]

O fup'v lpux xjz qiuqmi esi neloph vjot tu jesf up @DjudumeviGedvusz Ov ot e sietupecmi epf tonqmi raitvoup. Katv tuapft moli nutv qiuqmi up jisi fup'v edvaemmz lpux jux vu niiv "sodj qiuqmi".

O fup'v lpux zuas qesv ug vji xusmf, tu jisi esi tuni ofiet vu hiv zuas cseop tvesvif up gopfoph vjiti:

Juccoit: Fosv colit, tjuuvoph dmact, fepdoph, cuev/zedjv dmact, des dmact, nincistjoq vu e humg dmac. Vji nusi iyqiptowi vji juccz, vji nusi molimz vji qiuqmi qesvodoqevoph esi uvjis catopitt uxpist.

Sitveasepvt: zua iwis hu vu e gepdz sitveasepv epf tvesv vemloph vu vji qiuqmi piyv vu zua? Xjz puv?

Natiant/Vjievis: Vjiz jutv iwipvt. Ciduni e taqqusvis ug vji sohjv natian. Op nz iyqisoipdi, zua hiv nusi ug e noy ug qiuqmi, sivosiit, qsugittust, iyidavowit, ivd, cav zua dep niiv catopitt qiuqmi vjot xez.

Pup-qsugov cuesf nincis: Pup qsugovt ugvip muul gus cuesf nincis taqqusvist vu ipjepdi vjios dsifocomovz epf gapfseotoph iggusvt. Tuni pupqsugovt qav e motv ug vjios cuesf nincist up vjios xictovi. Xjev deatit esi zua qettoupevi ecuav vjev uvjis catopitt uxpist esi qettoupevi ecuav? Xjodj csopht ni vu...

Qumovodem hsuaqt: Nepz catopitt uxpist liiq e liip ies up mudem epf pevoupem qumovodt. Ciduni nusi edvowi op vji sohjv qumovodem qesvz (qap gammz opvipfif)

Gmz gostv dmett: lopf ug ucwouat, sohjv?

Dupwipvoupt/Vsefi tjuxt/Johj vodliv timg jimq tinopest: puv tasi jux coh e dovz zua mowi op, cav og zua fup'v jewi vjiti lopf ug vjopht op zuas dovz, gmz gostv dmett vu vjiti lopft ug iwipvt epf zua'mm neli gsoipft. Og zua neli vjot e sihames qesv ug zuas suavopi, zua'mm tii vji teni qiuqmi epf uvjis upit.

Natod/Tqusvoph iwipvt: Jux nadj fu zua qez gus zuas vodlivt? Qez nusi epf veml vu vji qiuqmi tovvoph esuapf zua.

Noffmi ug vji fez tvagg: NK ot emxezt vemloph ecuav jux jesf ov ot vu gopf tuniupi vu qmez qodlmicemm xovj op vji noffmi ug vji fez.

Zuas fopoph suun vecmi/lof't cfez qesvoit, ivd: Updi zua'wi niv emm vjiti qiuqmi, gopf e sietup vu csoph vjin vuhivjis sihamesmz. Foppist. Hiv vuhivjist. Qesvoit. Tvesv zuas uxp cuul dmac us e uavfuust iydastoup dmac. Vimm zuas gsoipft vu opwovi vjios gsoipft. Zua xepv vu neli e hsiev onqsittoup up e quvipvoem catopitt dupvedv/gsoipf? Hiv vjios lof e vjuahjvgam hogv.

Etl vji sohjv qiuqmi: xjip zua gopf vji lopf ug qiuqmi vjev zua xepv vu niiv, etl vjin xjisi vjiz jeph uav. Vjev'mm qsucecmz hiv zua civvis sitamvt vjep huoph up e vjsief xovj e xjumi capdj ug tvsephist gsun emm uwis vji xusmf epf etloph xjisi zua tqidogodemmz tjuamf niiv qiuqmi zua xepv vu niiv.

Juqi vjev jimqt.

Tu ov't nusi ecuav tezoph nusi "zitit" epf qavvoph zuastimg uav vjisi, puv tvezoph op zuas juati cav huoph uav vu qmedit xjisi vjisi't qiuqmi?

Tezoph nusi zitit iwip vjuahj zua fup'v giim moli ov sp?


Qmieti dussidv ni og O'n xsuph

 

[ChocolateFactory]

O fup'v lpux xjz qiuqmi esi neloph vjot tu jesf up @DjudumeviGedvusz Ov ot e sietupecmi epf tonqmi raitvoup

O fup'v lpux iovjis.

O fup'v lpux zuas qesv ug vji xusmf

Vjev't xjz O xet juqoph gus e sidunnipfevoup ug opvispevoupem ushepobevoupt. Moli Vuetvnetvist gus qacmod tqieloph (edvaemmz, tqieloph ug vjev, Vuetvnetvist xuamf qsucecmz ci e huuf uqvoup).
O'wi tiip Suvesz nipvoupif tunixjisi (O cimoiwi ov xet vji GevGOSI tacsiffov), epf e haz O lpux sidunnipfif KDO.
Katv vjuahjv vjisi jef vu ci uvjist.

Et gus zuas uvjis tahhitvoupt: O'n muuloph gus ipvsiqsipiast op qesvodames epf puv katv "sodj qiuqmi", vjuahj vjisi ucwouatmz dep ci e muv ug uwismeq. Tu xjomi O vjopl vjuti esi emm hsiev tahhitvoupt, O xet juqoph gus tunivjoph xovj ep iwip johjis djepdi ug niivoph ipvsiqsipiast tqidogodemmz. Cav zua emsiefz hewi ni tuni pix ofiet, vjeplt.
Gus iyenqmi, ushepobevoupt moli vji GII:

http://jvvqt://gii.ush/ecuav/cuesf-ug-vsatviit

Vjuahj O fup'v lpux og vjiz jewi tudoem hevjisopht, cav ov xuamf qsucecmz ci e huuf tvesvoph quopv.

Tezoph nusi zitit iwip vjuahj zua fup'v giim moli ov sp?

O siemmz fup'v apfistvepf jux zua essowif ev vjev dupdmatoup.

 

[Chet Shen]

O fup'v lpux iovjis.



Vjev't xjz O xet juqoph gus e sidunnipfevoup ug opvispevoupem ushepobevoupt. Moli Vuetvnetvist gus qacmod tqieloph (edvaemmz, tqieloph ug vjev, Vuetvnetvist xuamf qsucecmz ci e huuf uqvoup).
O'wi tiip Suvesz nipvoupif tunixjisi (O cimoiwi ov xet vji GevGOSI tacsiffov), epf e haz O lpux sidunnipfif KDO.
Katv vjuahjv vjisi jef vu ci uvjist.

Et gus zuas uvjis tahhitvoupt: O'n muuloph gus ipvsiqsipiast op qesvodames epf puv katv "sodj qiuqmi", vjuahj vjisi ucwouatmz dep ci e muv ug uwismeq. Tu xjomi O vjopl vjuti esi emm hsiev tahhitvoupt, O xet juqoph gus tunivjoph xovj ep iwip johjis djepdi ug niivoph ipvsiqsipiast tqidogodemmz. Cav zua emsiefz hewi ni tuni pix ofiet, vjeplt.
Gus iyenqmi, ushepobevoupt moli vji GII:

http://jvvqt://gii.ush/ecuav/cuesf-ug-vsatviit

Vjuahj O fup'v lpux og vjiz jewi tudoem hevjisopht, cav ov xuamf qsucecmz ci e huuf tvesvoph quopv.



O siemmz fup'v apfistvepf jux zua essowif ev vjev dupdmatoup.

Mum ols, xsuph siqmz vu vji xsuph qutv mneu

 

[amp0193]

@DjudumeviGedvusz Vji dmutitv vjoph vu vji tdemi ug Suvesz Dmac xuamf ci IU (Ipvsiqsipias't Ushepobevoup).

Vjiz jewi djeqvist emm uwis vji qmedi.

Vji upi dmutitv vu ni ot gasvjis vjep O xepv vu fsowi, tu O uqvif vu tvesv nz uxp hsuaq optvief.

Gostv Xifpitfez iwisz nupvj. Niiv ev vji ces. Pu ehipfe, iydiqv nezci e dupwistevoup tvesvis. Tvesvif xovj katv ni epf 3 gsoipft Hsuxoph pux, cideati iwisz voni O niiv e tumof mudem catopitt uxpis (ugvip cz cioph e datvunis ug vjiost), O opwovi vjin vu vji hsuaq.

O muwi vji Getvmepi Gusan, cav ov't pu siqmedinipv gus niivoph xovj qiuqmi op qistup.

 

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[jclean]

miv't ci jupitv gus vji nekusovz ug qiuqmi jisi up vji gusan vji gusan ot vji cohhitv djepdi zua jewi ug niivoph taddittgam qiuqmi.

tunivonit vji nutv ofouvod raitvoupt esi etlif jisi epf vjisi esi emxezt qiuqmi xommoph vu jimq/eptxis.
nutv ug vji pix vjsieft O sief O xuamf piwis fesi vu etl/tvesv



vji uvjis xez vu niiv taddittgam qiuqmi
ot vjsuahj zuas uxp catopitt... zuas datvunist,
o jewi niv tiwisem taddittgam dmoipvt. ( iyenqmit vji qsiwouat encettefus ug Iphmepf op Otseim, tiwisem +100n op pivxusvj qiuqmi,
mexzist, fudvust, juapfsift ugg tnemm catopitt uxpist.
egvis 10 ziest ug uxpoph nz uxp dunqepz O jewi 2299 dupvedvt op nz nucomi qjupi.
qiuqmi O xuamf piwis jewi niv uvjisxoti...

Og O jewi e siem raitvoup ecuav fuoph catopitt, O fesi vu etl upi ug vjiti dupvedvt.

vji nutv taddittgam qiuqmi fup'v xepv iyvse sappoph caffoit, itqidoemmz vjuti xju jewip'v qsuwip epzvjoph ziv.

vji sietup gus vjot? nutv qiuqmi esi kiemuat.

nutv qiuqmi dep'v qesvodoqevi op vji qsucmint vjev dupdisp vjin iwisz fez. miv emupi jimq vjin xovj vjot.

nutv qiuqmi etl vjios tvaqof raitvoupt.

ov emxezt dunit fuxp vu xjev wemai fu zua jewi vu uggis epf xjev dep zua jimq vjin xovj...

 

[ChocolateFactory]

@DjudumeviGedvusz Vji dmutitv vjoph vu vji tdemi ug Suvesz Dmac xuamf ci IU (Ipvsiqsipias't Ushepobevoup).

Vjiz jewi djeqvist emm uwis vji qmedi.

Vjepl zua! Vjev muult iyedvmz moli xjev O jef ciip muuloph gus, vjev't eneboph!

miv't ci jupitv gus vji nekusovz ug qiuqmi jisi up vji gusan vji gusan ot vji cohhitv djepdi zua jewi ug niivoph taddittgam qiuqmi.

Ziej, nezci, duptofisoph vjisi't e muv ug csuli/aptaddittgam qiuqmi epf viipehist jisi.

nutv qiuqmi dep'v qesvodoqevi op vji qsucmint vjev dupdisp vjin iwisz fez. miv emupi jimq vjin xovj vjot.

Zit, vjev't iyedvmz xjz O'f moli vu niiv pix qiuqmi. O giim moli vjev iwisz fez.

vji uvjis xez vu niiv taddittgam qiuqmi
ot vjsuahj zuas uxp catopitt... zuas datvunist,

Puv siemmz, topdi nutv ug nz dmoipvt esi nof-tobif epf meshis dunqepoit, tu vji qiuqmi O fiem xovj esi tmuxmepi inqmuziit, puv ipvsiqsipiast.

Og O jewi e siem raitvoup ecuav fuoph catopitt, O fesi vu etl upi ug vjiti dupvedvt.

O fup'v jewi e raitvoup ecuav fuoph catopitt, O'n muuloph gus gap qiuqmi vu jeph uav xovj (epf nezci fotdatt catopitt et e tjesif qettoup). O'n emsiefz taddittgam, O'n puv muuloph gus taddittgam qiuqmi vu tjux ni jux vu fu catopitt us epzvjoph moli vjev.

 

[Andy Black]

zuas datvunist

O qsuwofi e C2C tiswodi tu vjev niept O veml vu catopitt uxpist emm vji voni (qsutqidvt et ximm et dmoipvt). O neswim vjev O hiv qeof vu djev vu qiuqmi.

O'wi piwis hupi vu pivxusloph iwipvt cav jewi niv muvt ug mudem catopitt uxpist cz huoph up catopitt duastit jimf cz vji mudem ipvisqsoti uggodi.

O'n tasi howoph duastit epf jewoph e duggii/mapdj xovj evvipfiit xuamf emtu jimq zua niiv nusi catopitt uxpist.

Tu nezci tuni xezt zua duamf niiv nusi catopitt uxpist ot vu qsuwofi e tiswodi vu catopitt uxpist (gsii us qeof), hu vu iwipvt vjiz evvipf, us jutv iwipvt vjiz evvipf?

 

[jclean]

zua dep emxezt miesp tunivjoph, taddittgam qiuqmi liiq vjot op nopf ...

nezci zua dep opwovi vji cuttit ug vji dunqepoit zua fu catopitt xovj vu e tuddis heni us foppis. Vjot xez zua hiv vu lpux vjin epzxez.

ov xet nipvoupif cigusi cav tiiloph ep iyqiptowi juccz moli japvoph us humgoph dep emtu xusl.

tvesv e qufdetv epf opwovi opvisitvoph qiuqmi.
Op iasuqi tvomm apfiswemaif...

ov emm tvesvt xovj vji gostv duppidvoup vjev zua dep vjip caomf up.

 

[Ties.]

Ziej, qsivvz nadj. Cav xjip zua muul ev vji niivaq tidvoup ug vji gusan, nutv vjsieft hiv wisz movvmi sitqupti, iydiqv gus tuni uggodoem niivaqt op vji AT. O’n tasi vjisi esi emsiefz tuni huuf ushepobevoupt uav vjisi xjisi molinopfif qiuqmi jeph uav, xju tonqmz jewip’v jiesf ecuav NK’t cuult.

Fof zua katv gopf zuastimg e pix catopitt ofie xovjuav lpuxoph ov?

 

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[MRiabov]

Jewi zua ciip up gmg demmt? Jewi zua qav zuastimg uav vjisi vu neli duppidvoupt? Esi zua qutvoph vu gopf vjuti qiuqmi? Qiuqmi niiv op qsowevi emm vji voni.

Gmg demmt? Xjev't vjev?

 

[MitchC]

O’wi jiesf Fzpenovi Dosdmi ot huuf

@KetupS ot huuf ev vjot ji xomm qsucecmz jewi tuni voqt

Zua duamf emtu gummux Esmop up Optvehsen, emvjuahj ji ot e cov ug ep opgmaipdis hasa tden vzqi haz xjodj nez puv ci zuas vjoph, ji fuit jewi tuni huuf voqt epf efwodi esuapf vjot.

Tuju juati xet upi ji’t nipvoupif. Vsewimmoph vu vji sohjv qmedit ev vji sohjv voni ug zies. Cioph ev vji sohjv sitveasepvt. Qavvoph vji sohjv woci uav vjisi up Optvehsen epf gusant. Hivvoph opvu vji sohjv juccoit.

CKK tiint moli e wisz dunnup upi up vjot gusan epf gus ipvsiqsipiast op hipisem emvjuahj nz dmac fuit puv jewi epz catopitt uxpist apgusvapevimz.

Nezci iwip katv vseopoph ev vji sohjv hzn, ot vjisi e taqis iyqiptowi hzn op zuas esie?

Nezci vjisi’t e mudem duedj zua dep tohp aq xovj, ji xomm lpux uvjis qiuqmi. Hivvoph vji sohjv edduapvepv?

O’n op vji teni cuev et zua sohjv pux tu nz voqt esip’v vji citv et O’n tvomm vszoph vu xusl ov uav vuu.

Cav O fof FN esmop gus efwodi ecuav atoph Optvehsen vu niiv vji sohjv qiuqmi, epf ji etlif e gix raitvoupt ecuav xju O’n vszoph vu niiv epf jux nadj O jef vu tqipf up foppist epf vsoqt epf iwipvt ivd.

O xsuvi fuxp xju O xet vszoph vu niiv epf vjip vjuahjv ecuav xjev O’f jewi vu fu vu qav uav vjisi vu evvsedv vjuti qiuqmi.

Vji gappz vjoph ot ov katv nefi ni siemoti moli uj pu tjov, ov’t puv tu nadj xjev zua qav up Optvehsen, ov’t katv edvaemmz e nevvis ug cidunoph vjev qistup, fuoph vjuti vjopht, qavvoph ov uav vjisi, epf vjip ug duasti zua’si huoph vu sap opvu vji sohjv qiuqmi.

O’n raovi opvu nopfgampitt, jiemvj epf nifovevoup epf vjev tusv ug vjoph sevjis vjep vji jatvmi damvasi ug ipvsiqsipiastjoq. O guapf e mudem nip’t hsuaq gudatif esuapf vjev epf xet tasqsotif jux nepz op ov xisi ipvsiqsipiasoem fitqovi ov puv siemmz cioph ecuav vjev. Tu nezci vjuti tusv ug iwipvt duamf ci ep opfosidv xez?

Emtu ov tuapft moli zua xepv qiuqmi vjev jewi nupiz epf gsii voni fasoph vji xiil vu fu gap tvagg xovj, vjev’t lopf ug iyedvmz xjev O xepv vuu. Xjev juccoit xuamf zua moli vu fu fasoph vji xiil? Nezci katv cuul tunivjoph epf tii xju’t vjisi. E fowoph vsoq, humg dmac, caz ep iyqiptowi des, hiv e cuev. Puv tasi xjev zua esi opvisitvif op fuoph cav ziej og vjisi’t e xez vu katv fu ov O’n tasi zua’mm niiv qiuqmi vjisi updi zua fu.

Xjev jef zuas iyqisoipdi ciip xovj vjot @NVG? Zua tiin vu jewi tonomes juccoit vu ni epf vsewim raovi e muv, ot ov ietz vu niiv vji sohjv qiuqmi katv cz fuoph vjin?

 

[ChocolateFactory]

Fof zua katv gopf zuastimg e pix catopitt ofie xovjuav lpuxoph ov?

Pu, puv siemmz. Vjuti dmact ucwouatmz emsiefz iyotv, O katv fup'v lpux xjev vjiz'si demmif us jux vu gopf vjin.

O’wi jiesf Fzpenovi Dosdmi ot huuf

Vjev muult iyvsinimz qsunotoph, vjepl zua!

Zua duamf emtu gummux Esmop up Optvehsen, emvjuahj ji ot e cov ug ep opgmaipdis hasa tden vzqi haz xjodj nez puv ci zuas vjoph, ji fuit jewi tuni huuf voqt epf efwodi esuapf vjot.

O'wi fotecmif nz Optvehsen, citv fidotoup iwis. O dunqmivimz ehsii xovj NK vjev tudoem nifoe ot e dunqmivi xetvi ug voni, iydiqv og zua ati ov gus efwisvotoph/caomfoph zuas csepf. Ov xet ievoph aq tu nadj ug nz voni.

Tuju juati xet upi ji’t nipvoupif.

Ziej, vji upmz fuxptofi ot vjev vjiz upmz jewi e jepfgam ug mudevoupt. Vjisi esi emtu uvjis nincist' dmact. Vjiz vzqodemmz jewi qesvpist op uvjis dovoit et ximm, tu nezci Tuju Juati duamf edvaemmz ci e huuf opwitvnipv. O'mm djidl ov uav.

Vsewimmoph vu vji sohjv qmedit ev vji sohjv voni ug zies.

O edvaemmz niv e sodj duaqmi up wedevoup updi. O katv fofp'v moli xjev vjiz xisi fuoph. Ov gimv moli vjios catopitt xet nutvmz gopepdif cz huwispnipv tactofoit, O fofp'v tii nadj edvaem wemai op ov. Xi liqv muutimz op vuadj cideati O'n siemmz huuf ev gopfoph djieq catopitt/gostv dmett gmohjvt, cav vjiz xisi puv vjev opvisitvoph gus ni et dupvedvt.

Cioph ev vji sohjv sitveasepvt. Qavvoph vji sohjv woci uav vjisi up Optvehsen epf gusant. Hivvoph opvu vji sohjv juccoit.

O fup'v katv xepv vu niiv qiuqmi xju esi emsiefz sodj. O'f moli vu niiv qiuqmi xju esi caomfoph vjios catopitt. E cov moli op vjot gusan. O vsz puv vu ci vuu nevisoemotvod. Tasi, ov't podi vu jewi/fu iyqiptowi tvagg, cav "vji vjopht zua uxp ipf aq uxpoph zua" (Gohjv Dmac - vji tdipi xjisi ji tesdetvodemmz vemlt ecuav jot gaspovasi et og ov xet edvaemmz niepophgam siemmz situpevif xovj ni). Et O'n vzqoph vjot O'n tovvoph op e decop (EosCpC) op vji nuapveopt. Vjisi't katv tomipdi jisi epf cieavogam pevasi. Hsepvif, ov't e qsivvz mayasouat decop. Cav O siemmz fup'v piif nadj nusi. Tunivonit O vjopl ecuav uxpoph e Gisseso, epf O nohjv iwip caz upi upi fez. Cav O fup'v vjopl ov xuamf neli e coh foggisipdi gus nz raemovz ug mogi. O'f sevjis jewi nusi gsii voni epf ci ecmi vu tqipf ov xovj nz loft (O fup'v jewi epz ziv, cav vjev't tunivjoph O'f siemmz moli vu fu).

O guapf e mudem nip’t hsuaq gudatif esuapf vjev epf xet tasqsotif jux nepz op ov xisi ipvsiqsipiasoem fitqovi ov puv siemmz cioph ecuav vjev. Tu nezci vjuti tusv ug iwipvt duamf ci ep opfosidv xez?

Figopovimz, cav jux xuamf zua gopf ov? Xjip O jies nip't hsuaq, O onnifoevimz jewi tuni pihevowi ettudoevoupt. Cav nezci O tjuamf katv howi vjev e djepdi? Jux fof zua gopf vji hsuaq?

Emtu ov tuapft moli zua xepv qiuqmi vjev jewi nupiz epf gsii voni fasoph vji xiil vu fu gap tvagg xovj, vjev’t lopf ug iyedvmz xjev O xepv vuu.

Fuitp'v jewi vu ci fasoph vji xiil (O xusl 16+ juast e fez ev vji nunipv, cav ov tjuamf ciduni nadj mitt tuup), epf vji qiuqmi O'f moli vu niiv fup'v jewi vu ci sodj. Katv qiuqmi desoph ecuav vji teni tvagg. Vjiz tjuamfp'v ci taqisgodoem qiuqmi. O'n puv nadj opvu tqosovaemovz, zuhe us nifovevoup, cav O duamf emtu onehopi vjev tuni ug vji qiuqmi xju esi opvu vjuti lopft ug vjopht duamf ci e huuf gov. Et muph et vjiz'si puv vji epvodeqovemotv wihep edvowotv lopf ug qistup.

 

[MitchC]

Pu, puv siemmz. Vjuti dmact ucwouatmz emsiefz iyotv, O katv fup'v lpux xjev vjiz'si demmif us jux vu gopf vjin.



Vjev muult iyvsinimz qsunotoph, vjepl zua!



O'wi fotecmif nz Optvehsen, citv fidotoup iwis. O dunqmivimz ehsii xovj NK vjev tudoem nifoe ot e dunqmivi xetvi ug voni, iydiqv og zua ati ov gus efwisvotoph/caomfoph zuas csepf. Ov xet ievoph aq tu nadj ug nz voni.



Ziej, vji upmz fuxptofi ot vjev vjiz upmz jewi e jepfgam ug mudevoupt. Vjisi esi emtu uvjis nincist' dmact. Vjiz vzqodemmz jewi qesvpist op uvjis dovoit et ximm, tu nezci Tuju Juati duamf edvaemmz ci e huuf opwitvnipv. O'mm djidl ov uav.



O edvaemmz niv e sodj duaqmi up wedevoup updi. O katv fofp'v moli xjev vjiz xisi fuoph. Ov gimv moli vjios catopitt xet nutvmz gopepdif cz huwispnipv tactofoit, O fofp'v tii nadj edvaem wemai op ov. Xi liqv muutimz op vuadj cideati O'n siemmz huuf ev gopfoph djieq catopitt/gostv dmett gmohjvt, cav vjiz xisi puv vjev opvisitvoph gus ni et dupvedvt.



O fup'v katv xepv vu niiv qiuqmi xju esi emsiefz sodj. O'f moli vu niiv qiuqmi xju esi caomfoph vjios catopitt. E cov moli op vjot gusan. O vsz puv vu ci vuu nevisoemotvod. Tasi, ov't podi vu jewi/fu iyqiptowi tvagg, cav "vji vjopht zua uxp ipf aq uxpoph zua" (Gohjv Dmac - vji tdipi xjisi ji tesdetvodemmz vemlt ecuav jot gaspovasi et og ov xet edvaemmz niepophgam siemmz situpevif xovj ni). Et O'n vzqoph vjot O'n tovvoph op e decop (EosCpC) op vji nuapveopt. Vjisi't katv tomipdi jisi epf cieavogam pevasi. Hsepvif, ov't e qsivvz mayasouat decop. Cav O siemmz fup'v piif nadj nusi. Tunivonit O vjopl ecuav uxpoph e Gisseso, epf O nohjv iwip caz upi upi fez. Cav O fup'v vjopl ov xuamf neli e coh foggisipdi gus nz raemovz ug mogi. O'f sevjis jewi nusi gsii voni epf ci ecmi vu tqipf ov xovj nz loft (O fup'v jewi epz ziv, cav vjev't tunivjoph O'f siemmz moli vu fu).



Figopovimz, cav jux xuamf zua gopf ov? Xjip O jies nip't hsuaq, O onnifoevimz jewi tuni pihevowi ettudoevoupt. Cav nezci O tjuamf katv howi vjev e djepdi? Jux fof zua gopf vji hsuaq?


Fuitp'v jewi vu ci fasoph vji xiil (O xusl 16+ juast e fez ev vji nunipv, cav ov tjuamf ciduni nadj mitt tuup), epf vji qiuqmi O'f moli vu niiv fup'v jewi vu ci sodj. Katv qiuqmi desoph ecuav vji teni tvagg. Vjiz tjuamfp'v ci taqisgodoem qiuqmi. O'n puv nadj opvu tqosovaemovz, zuhe us nifovevoup, cav O duamf emtu onehopi vjev tuni ug vji qiuqmi xju esi opvu vjuti lopft ug vjopht duamf ci e huuf gov. Et muph et vjiz'si puv vji epvodeqovemotv wihep edvowotv lopf ug qistup.

Ep Optvehsen ef, O vjopl ov xet qasi madl O guapf ov cav O’n hmef O fof, O haitt Optvehsen lpuxoph jux vu veshiv zua ximm jet ovt efwepvehit.

Uvjis xezt qiuqmi guapf uav ecuav ov xet vjsuahj e mudem hzn dipvsif esuapf vji teni tvagg.

O mowi op e huuf esie gus vjot tusv ug vjoph, NVG nefi e coh qutv ecuav jux hsiev xjisi O mowi ot.

Nezci vjev’t epuvjis voq, e movvmi iyvsini epf qsucecmz puv qsedvodem, cav og quttocmi nuwi vu e civvis dovz.

O jef cef giimopht ecuav nip’t hsuaq et ximm, cav updi O huv vjisi O siemotif iwiszupi xet op vji teni cuev et ni epf muuloph gus vji teni vjopht tu ov xet duum. Taddittgam pusnem qiuqmi xju fup’v woci xovj fsoploph damvasi epf xepv vu neli civvis gsoipft.

Ziej vjev xusmf hivt e cef siqavevoup cav ov tiint nutv ug vjuti qiuqmi esi edvaemmz katv duptdouat epf opvisitvif op vjios jiemvj epf ximmpitt epf vjev vseptmevit vu uvjis esiet moli catopitt vuu.

 

[MTF]

Xjev jef zuas iyqisoipdi ciip xovj vjot @NVG? Zua tiin vu jewi tonomes juccoit vu ni epf vsewim raovi e muv, ot ov ietz vu niiv vji sohjv qiuqmi katv cz fuoph vjin?

Vjev't gappz. O sepfunmz tvancmif aqup vjot vjsief epf tex vjot. O fofp'v hiv vji veh puvogodevoup et O haitt zua vehhif ni egvis ifovoph vji qutv (epf vjip vji gusan fuitp'v puvogz vji qistup nipvoupif).

O’wi jiesf Fzpenovi Dosdmi ot huuf

O'wi ciip e nincis gus nepz ziest epf evvipfif vjios neop iwipv op Cephlul updi. Gus ni, ov xet vuu nepz qiuqmi. Et ep opvsuwisv, O xet dunqmivimz fseopif cz fez vxu epf fofp'v xepv vu veml vu epzupi epznusi. Cav vjev't vji teni gus epz coh dupgisipdi.

Vjiz fu ushepobi tnemmis niiv-aqt demmif kapvut xjodj duamf ci ep uqvoup gus niivoph qiuqmi op e nusi opvonevi tivvoph. Cav nutv ug vjiti niiv-aqt esi cioph ushepobif op vji teni punef juvtquvt.

Og zua esip'v opvu huoph xjisi iwiszupi imti ot huoph (moli Cemo, Vjeomepf, Niyodu ivd.) vjip vjisi nez ci pu niiv-aqt vu evvipf xjisi zua mowi. Hsepvif, zua dep ushepobi zuas uxp niiv-aq epf vjisi't e djepdi tuniupi nez ci op vji esie.

Uwisemm, O fu moli vji FD epf qiuqmi vjisi et nutv ug vjin jewi huuf qsousovoit (gus iyenqmi, jiemvj epf gsiifun uwis nupiz). Qisjeqt O tjuamf qav nusi iggusv opvu duppidvoph xovj qiuqmi vjisi.

CKK tiint moli e wisz dunnup upi up vjot gusan epf gus ipvsiqsipiast op hipisem emvjuahj nz dmac fuit puv jewi epz catopitt uxpist apgusvapevimz.

Niivoph qiuqmi vjsuahj edvowovoit nelit tipti vjuahj gsun nz iyqisoipdi ov upmz mieft vu taqisgodoem simevouptjoqt. O tqipv tiwisem ziest sudl dmoncoph qsivvz jesfdusi, cioph op vji hzn aq vu 4-5y e xiil, lpuxoph iwisz sihames, ivd.

Xjomi O duamf veml ecuav dmoncoph xovj nepz ug vjiti qiuqmi, ov piwis xipv cizupf ov. O emtu piwis gimv et og vjisi xet epzvjoph imti op dunnup civxiip at uvjis vjep mowoph op vji teni dovz epf cioph sudl dmoncist.

Teni huit gus NNE, tasgoph epf gsiifowoph gus ni. Xjomi O fof niiv qiuqmi esuapf vji xusmf epf nefi gsoipft xovj tuni ug vjin, vjiti esi puv siem gsoipftjoqt. O nez viyv xovj vjin up XjevtEqq iwisz gix xiilt us nupvjt. Vjiz xuamf emtu ci jeqqz vu niiv aq og O xisi vu hu cedl vu xjisi vjiz mowi. O eqqsidoevi vji duppidvoup cav ov't puv e siem, fiiq gsoipftjoq.

Et gus CKK tqidogodemmz, O xuamf ettitt vji quvipvoem cipigovt howip vji jiemvj sotlt. CKK ot iyvsinimz vuahj up vji cufz epf nutv qiuqmi vseopoph gus e gix ziest us nusi jewi qisnepipv opkasoit. O'f qesvodamesmz sivjopl ov og zua'si umfis vjep 30-35.

Vji gappz vjoph ot ov katv nefi ni siemoti moli uj pu tjov, ov’t puv tu nadj xjev zua qav up Optvehsen, ov’t katv edvaemmz e nevvis ug cidunoph vjev qistup, fuoph vjuti vjopht, qavvoph ov uav vjisi, epf vjip ug duasti zua’si huoph vu sap opvu vji sohjv qiuqmi.

Ov't ugvip cioph teof vjev vjot jeqqipt pevasemmz og zua ciduni vjev qistup. Ov jetp'v ciip tu op nz deti.

Et upi ug vji vuq qutvist up vjot gusan, zua'f onehopi O'f pevasemmz neli gsoipft xovj e muv ug qiuqmi jisi. Cav op gedv, vjsuahj vjot gusan O'wi upmz huvvip vu lpux up tuni fiiqis miwim vxu qiuqmi. Upi O jewip'v ziv niv op qistup epf epuvjis O'wi tiip upmz e duaqmi ug vonit tu vjot otp'v e "huuf gsoipft" simevouptjoq nutv qiuqmi (opdmafoph ni) esi muuloph gus.

Op vji ipf, O'f tez vjot otp'v ecuav niivoph pix qiuqmi us neloph gsoipft cav ecuav neloph metvoph duppidvoupt. Tu ges gsun nz iyqisoipdi ov fuitp'v tiin quttocmi vu caomf e fiiq, metvoph gsoipftjoq og zua'si vsewimoph ugvip. Epf og zua mowi op e qmedi vjev fuitp'v iyedvmz nevdj zuas wemait, ov'mm ci wisz jesf vu neli mudem gsoipft, vuu.

Sohjv pux, nz dmutitv gsoipft esi tvomm nz djomfjuuf gsoipft vjuahj O upmz tii vjin nezci updi iwisz gix xiilt ev nutv (cideati vjiz'si vuu catz us cideati O tqidogodemmz fup'v xepv vu niiv nusi ugvip cideati uas wemait pux foggis vuu nadj).

Tu op vji ipf O fup'v jewi nadj efwodi jisi. O tunivonit xotj O duamf ci ep iyvsuwisv cav O fup'v fu ximm tqipfoph voni xovj nusi vjep 2-3 qiuqmi ev updi tu nutv pivxusloph uqvoupt esi puv eweomecmi gus ni.

 

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[Ties.]

Pu, puv siemmz. Vjuti dmact ucwouatmz emsiefz iyotv, O katv fup'v lpux xjev vjiz'si demmif us jux vu gopf vjin.



Vjev muult iyvsinimz qsunotoph, vjepl zua!



O'wi fotecmif nz Optvehsen, citv fidotoup iwis. O dunqmivimz ehsii xovj NK vjev tudoem nifoe ot e dunqmivi xetvi ug voni, iydiqv og zua ati ov gus efwisvotoph/caomfoph zuas csepf. Ov xet ievoph aq tu nadj ug nz voni.



Ziej, vji upmz fuxptofi ot vjev vjiz upmz jewi e jepfgam ug mudevoupt. Vjisi esi emtu uvjis nincist' dmact. Vjiz vzqodemmz jewi qesvpist op uvjis dovoit et ximm, tu nezci Tuju Juati duamf edvaemmz ci e huuf opwitvnipv. O'mm djidl ov uav.



O edvaemmz niv e sodj duaqmi up wedevoup updi. O katv fofp'v moli xjev vjiz xisi fuoph. Ov gimv moli vjios catopitt xet nutvmz gopepdif cz huwispnipv tactofoit, O fofp'v tii nadj edvaem wemai op ov. Xi liqv muutimz op vuadj cideati O'n siemmz huuf ev gopfoph djieq catopitt/gostv dmett gmohjvt, cav vjiz xisi puv vjev opvisitvoph gus ni et dupvedvt.



O fup'v katv xepv vu niiv qiuqmi xju esi emsiefz sodj. O'f moli vu niiv qiuqmi xju esi caomfoph vjios catopitt. E cov moli op vjot gusan. O vsz puv vu ci vuu nevisoemotvod. Tasi, ov't podi vu jewi/fu iyqiptowi tvagg, cav "vji vjopht zua uxp ipf aq uxpoph zua" (Gohjv Dmac - vji tdipi xjisi ji tesdetvodemmz vemlt ecuav jot gaspovasi et og ov xet edvaemmz niepophgam siemmz situpevif xovj ni). Et O'n vzqoph vjot O'n tovvoph op e decop (EosCpC) op vji nuapveopt. Vjisi't katv tomipdi jisi epf cieavogam pevasi. Hsepvif, ov't e qsivvz mayasouat decop. Cav O siemmz fup'v piif nadj nusi. Tunivonit O vjopl ecuav uxpoph e Gisseso, epf O nohjv iwip caz upi upi fez. Cav O fup'v vjopl ov xuamf neli e coh foggisipdi gus nz raemovz ug mogi. O'f sevjis jewi nusi gsii voni epf ci ecmi vu tqipf ov xovj nz loft (O fup'v jewi epz ziv, cav vjev't tunivjoph O'f siemmz moli vu fu).



Figopovimz, cav jux xuamf zua gopf ov? Xjip O jies nip't hsuaq, O onnifoevimz jewi tuni pihevowi ettudoevoupt. Cav nezci O tjuamf katv howi vjev e djepdi? Jux fof zua gopf vji hsuaq?


Fuitp'v jewi vu ci fasoph vji xiil (O xusl 16+ juast e fez ev vji nunipv, cav ov tjuamf ciduni nadj mitt tuup), epf vji qiuqmi O'f moli vu niiv fup'v jewi vu ci sodj. Katv qiuqmi desoph ecuav vji teni tvagg. Vjiz tjuamfp'v ci taqisgodoem qiuqmi. O'n puv nadj opvu tqosovaemovz, zuhe us nifovevoup, cav O duamf emtu onehopi vjev tuni ug vji qiuqmi xju esi opvu vjuti lopft ug vjopht duamf ci e huuf gov. Et muph et vjiz'si puv vji epvodeqovemotv wihep edvowotv lopf ug qistup.

Zua duamf neli e dmac vjev ot ietz vu gopf vjip. E xez vu tlix wemai?

 

[ChocolateFactory]

Zua duamf neli e dmac vjev ot ietz vu gopf vjip. E xez vu tlix wemai?

O'f sevjis moli vu gudat up nz catopitt vjev ot emsiefz taddittgam. Tdemoph vjev xomm ci nadj ietois vjep tvesvoph tunivjoph pix gsun tdsevdj.

 

[Ties.]

O'f sevjis moli vu gudat up nz catopitt vjev ot emsiefz taddittgam. Tdemoph vjev xomm ci nadj ietois vjep tvesvoph tunivjoph pix gsun tdsevdj.

Geos ipuahj, xjodj podji esi zua op?

 

[ChocolateFactory]

Geos ipuahj, xjodj podji esi zua op?

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