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Notable! Has Moving to a Warm and Sunny Climate Made You Happier?

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    Well it's comforting to see I'm not the only one with seasonal affective disorder. My wife grew up near Los Angeles, we ended up here on the East Coast of North Carolina where I was born. We go back to SoCal frequently, her family is huge and awesome (everybody should hang with a latino family at least once in their life, it's amazing how tight and loving they are). Life definitely pulls me back there, the weather and family is probably more of a motivational factor to get fastlane than anything. East coast retirement won't suffice to finish life over there. The cheap cost of living here right now does one thing for me - facilitate fastlane funding.
     
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    cold mornings makes me moody and in cloudy days i sleep more
     
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    Thanks for the update! Just saw it. :p

    Glad that hear that you've found strategies that work for you (light therapy, traveling, and immersing yourself in your passions) and that you seem in a pretty good place right now...not to mention the winter almost coming to an end!

    Now, have you ever imagined what your ideal winter would look or feel like? :)
    Could be an interesting thing to try, especially if you use vivid details.
     
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    I hear you. You're not the only one being very CONCERNED about global warming!
     
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    "It's hard for people to give a shit about global warming - when everyone hates bees and loves warm weather!!"
     
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    Or… It might just be that winter sucks
     
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    I am a huge fan of global warming
     
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    We just had our coldest winter in like 10 years here in Vancouver, so we've been joking about how we need to start polluting more so this doesn't happen again :rofl:
     
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    Veblen good - Wikipedia

    ^That's why tech companies stay in Cali. Same reason Bugatti Veyron owners pay $15,000 for an oil change. It's not because it's a good deal or a good idea, it's because Google can, and others can't.
     
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    30 degrees Celsius/86 F, lots of sun, a 16-hour-long day.
     
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    I would strongly agree with all of these sentiments. Yes, I feel much better in sunny weather. And yes, I find it easier to work on a business when I don't have to count pennies and get stressed daily about living expenses.

    Few more things, however, that apply to me personally:

    - While summer makes me happier, sometimes it's hard to focus on work when you know the beach is full and people are having fun - you wanna join:)

    - I enjoy seasons, makes things interesting, and it's more shorter days that get me down (the feeling of "it's night already"). Too much rain would be boring too. But once in a while, that's fun too:)
     
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    To anyone who has moved from a cold, dark or wet climate to a warm, sunny and dry climate - has it made you noticeably happier and greatly improved your quality of life?

    I used to live in "cold" Paris with my family.

    I moved to sunny south of France, and have been living there for almost 10 years. Oh yeah, it s sunny. I ve had so many "friends" and a few girlfriends as well, which was nice.

    But I ve never been so cold in my entire life. No family, no real friend. Always wandering alone in the streets in the end. There s nothing worse than being alone. It seems to me i have serious sociable problems though, which has never helped me, of course.

    I can t stand living on my own anymore. In 2 weeks, i leave Nice, where i currently live, and go back to my family.

    I m almost 29 but i just don t care. It s recomforting to know you can see people you can really count on. Living alone in a big city is the worse thing i ve expected. I might as well live on Mars!

    Living under the sun might sound cool, but the reality might be different than what you expected. It depends on a lot of things, but to me the most important one is to either be with someone (girlfriend/boyfriend) and/or close family. Just leaving to a sunny place thinking the weather alone will improve your life is not enough.

    I'd always choose to live in Antartica with people around me rather than in Miami or in Monaco alone.



     
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    Yea in a big city you can feel veeeery lonely, you have to push yourself to create your own social circle and even then people are very flaky.
    I still love Dallas tho heh
     
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    So true.
     
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    I've been living in Costa Rica for the past year, and am about to head to Bali for a few months.
    I am from Canada and just got so damn tired of driving in the snow.

    I get to surf every day, go shirtless whenever I want, and grab coconuts off the beach and have a refreshing free drink!
    It's helped me personally :)
     
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    I've been thinking about this again recently and wrote a list of pro's and cons for relocating to a sunnier climate. I'll start with the cons:

    - Would need to relocate to a different country so initially there would be a language barrier
    - We socialise with our friends and family most weekends so this would no longer be possible.
    - My two children (6 & 8) are established in UK school and have friends circle.
    - If my Wife and I wanted a night out or break from Children there would initially be no child minders that we would know of or trust.
    - Usual issues with settling into a foreign country - legal, medical etc.

    PROS
    - Firstly simply living where people vacation and being happy just to wake up there each day.
    - I've written it as a 'con' but its also a PRO - Learning a new language.
    - Better quality of life weather wise for my family - more outdoor activities.
    - More productive mindset
    - No more SAD
    - Complete outlook change - at the moment the thing i look forward to is going on holiday and being in the sun, this would be my life every day.

    My preferred choice would be to Spain, i've looked into flights back and forth to UK and it would probably cost around £100 per adult to go back and visit the UK whenever we needed to and it's only a 2-3 hour flight.

    I've also looked at this a different way, if i continue living in the UK my aim would be to vacation whenever the children have school holidays. It would cost around £30,000 per a year for the 4 of us to go away at every opportunity. If we lived in Spain and maybe came back to the UK once a month it would probably only cost us around £8000.00 !!
     
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    Jonathan how much would you say was required for a family of 4 to live relatively comfortable in Spain? I know you said above Rent/Bills/food etc is around £1000 a month.
    Do the Spanish/International schools have similiar school holiday times and lengths to the UK ones?
     
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    Absolutely yes! I live in a cold (most of the time) country in the north of EU. When I was studying I moved to Australia for half a year (that was back in 2012). I skipped winter in my home country and had the summer twice. My mood in that time was much higher. Even after coming back, I was in a much better mood that usual until I hit the winter again.

    Since my business is completely independent to my location I will do anything to leave this winter.

    The only things that keep me here are:
    - airbnb income of 2500 euros per month net profit with almost no work (30 days minimum stay). I will give this up when my fastlane business reached atleast 10k net profit.
    - girlfriend. We talked about it and there are ways that she will come with me.
     
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    I live in Spain, Paul and it largely depends. Madrid, Barcelona, San Sebastian, Bilbao are quite expensive cities

    I would say it is impossible for 4 people to live comfortably with 1.000 pounds a month in a major city and in a "nice" area of the city. If you have to add food costs, bills, schooling for you children...costs will go way way up. Maybe a good idea would be to contact your embassy and ask them, also check the rental website "idealista" to get a quick idea of the costs of renting a flat for 4 in Spain.
     
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    Dear MTF,

    Where do you live?

    Personally, I live on the North shore of Montreal, Canada. We got more than 10 feet of snow this winter with minimal temperatures of minus 30 celcius or something (translation for american fellows : motherfuckin' cold). In my opinion, Eastern Canada (even the rest of Canada) is boring for 9 months. The other 3 months is summer.

    Usually, I don't care that much about winter. This year I was kind of surprised - I enjoyed the winter. Something that hasn't happened since I was a kid.

    You know, I have the same problem but in reverse. I can work 800 hours per week in winter because I do freakin' nothing (I mean no activities).

    BUT, during this particular summer I find it harder to work even 10 hours per week. It's like if I would like to enjoy the weather and all it can offer because I know in only a couple of months it will be over. Playing volleyball on the beach with hot babes in bikinis is very tempting, but at the same time I know it's an instant gratification thing.

    I am not saying that we should not enjoy our lives. I am saying that we should know what are our priorities, the vision, etc.

    I always think about moving to southern US for these reasons : the weather (yes!), lower tax rates, higher purchasing power, the weather (again), the beaches (related to weather), and so on. When I think USA, I think Los Angeles. I don't know. I'm attracted to that city.

    I'm 100% confident that weather can play on your mood, and I'm 100% that weather should not be a distraction. If it is, do what you must do to get rid of it. Change your attitude, or move somewhere else.

    Just my two cents.
     
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    I've been living in sunny places all year, and honestly, my productivity has dropped.

    I left Chicago.

    Chicago is a lot more depressing 5 months out of the year, but during those 5 months I get shit done. I stay indoors and work.

    Now with access to beautiful beaches, rooftop bars, being able to afford any restaurant, massage everyday, and having a chance with almost any girl because I'm foreign and doing cool shit, my productivity has dropped a ton.

    I'm still getting the most important things done and growing the business, but my efficiency is not as high as it used to be.

    I'd say my efficiency in Chicago is at 85%. Abroad it's closer to 65%.

    There are huge benefits to living somewhere cold and gloomy which are largely overlooked.

    If you're ambitious, then sunny places might not be the best places to live. Of course that depends on personality, but for me, leaving the country has been a huge distraction financially. I'm getting a lot of experiences that I would never have, and growing tremendously as an individual, but business-wise, I'm not on the same level as I was. I'm getting "comfortable".

    To summarize:

    Sunny places will make you happier, but they'll also make you less ambitious. And it has nothing to do with how expensive the place is either. I feel the same way when I'm in Miami as I do when I'm in Vietnam.

    You need to figure out what matters to you most right now in life and plan accordingly.
     
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    I am opposite of yours.i moved from sunny country to a cold country why?just because i want to achieve my dreams, i am working good here and getting better payment, you should not let weather distract you from your goal and beside is not a fully year cold is just 6 month and within those times just cover yourself well that is all,so to me i will not advice you to move just because of weather.
     
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    I moved out to Southern California in my mid 20s from cold, and gray Boston, MA. I absolutely loved it, I literally forgot what rain was haha.

    I ended up having to move back home to Boston a year later because I ran out of money. Sux so bad. Anyway now I am 30 and NEED to move back asap. Can't stand living in Boston! :arghh::arghh:
     
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    Personally, a sunny climate alone might not change me.

    However, a sunny climate with the right combinations - with water, a beach, fresh seafood, beautiful people, sunsets over the ocean, palm trees, etc - has undoubtedly changed my mindset.

    More blessings! More life! @Amon
     
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    @BillyBrass, I usually mostly work only in the early morning so I have the rest of the day free to do whatever I want. If it's summer, I spend time outside and generally have way more energy. If it's winter, I try to reduce my suffering by doing fun stuff indoors but my overall productivity is still lower because I feel more tired and lethargic. It's hard to be at your best if you're counting days until spring.

    This year I plan to travel to warm places more often than last year, probably at least once each month for at least a couple of days so that I can frequently recharge, but I think that in the long term I'll have to move to a warm country permanently as I function much, much better with plenty of sunshine, high temperatures, and positive, warm people.

    @AgainstAllOdds, that's why I work in the early morning. You take care of stuff in the morning and then can spend the rest of the day enjoying great weather. It depends solely on you whether good weather distracts you or not. Back in February I traveled to a warm and sunny place. I continued waking up early and working in the morning and my productivity didn't decrease. I got the work done and then spent the rest of the day doing fun stuff outside. It's just a matter of setting the right routine.

    Here's a good article partly talking about how to combine traveling with work: How To Travel — Some Contrarian Advice