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    I live in a cold country and each year suffer for up to 6 months because of the low temperatures, lack of sunlight, short days, and people with permanent scowls on their faces. I'm starting to wonder if it wouldn't be better to leave everything I have here and move elsewhere where I wouldn't live with anxiety, frustration, and stress for a half of a year.

    To anyone who has moved from a cold, dark or wet climate to a warm, sunny and dry climate - has it made you noticeably happier and greatly improved your quality of life?

    If you have family and close friends back in your cold state/country, do the benefits of living in a sunny and warm place still outweigh the cons of missing them and essentially having to build a new life from scratch?
     
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    I did the opposite, I'm from Italy but had been living in UK for one year.
    What I can tell you is that I was really missing the warm and especially, the sun.
    So it should be the opposite for you, especially if you feel unsatisfied about the weather already.
    Weather is definitely a mood changer.
     
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    Why not try it out for 6 months? Who says you have to live in just once place?
     
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    I'm sure it makes a BIG difference, however I am not going to let weather stop me from reaching my goals.

    I have been supplementing 5000 iu vitamin D over the last two months and I would say it has made a noticeable difference in my mood. I wouldn't say I am necessarily happier(I am already happy) but I've noticed my mood is more level. I find myself complaining less, especially about the weather. In other words, my mood feels like it does all summer when I am getting plenty of sunlight/fresh air.

    That being said my plan is to move to a warmer/sunnier climate because I really enjoy outdoors and great weather.
     
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    Never understood people moving from warm climate to cold climate unless one lives in a hopeless place like Somalia. Even with possible better career opportunities I'd still choose better lifestyle over voluntarily moving from a warm and sunny place to a dreary place like the UK (no disrespect to people from the UK; I'm talking about the climate).

    Yeah, I'm also considering setting up a second base and splitting my time between two countries, though that also comes with some challenges (primarily the effect it can have on my romantic relationship). My plan for this winter was to travel often, but that also doesn't seem to solve the problem. Whenever I come back, I suffer from post-vacation blues and need to plan another trip to have some hope lol. Maybe I should do it on a bigger scale and just leave every two weeks or so.

    I'm taking vitamin D, too (the same dose), but it doesn't change much for me. It can't replace long days, sun, high temperatures, spending time outdoors (without suffering from cold).

    I came back from a 2-week trip and instantly experienced a huge drop in my energy. I could function very well there with just a couple of hours of sleep. Here, I can sleep up to 10 hours and still wake up tired.

    I'm generally a very happy person, it's just that winter makes me much less happy.
     
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    I was 22 back then, I was in a long distance relationship with a british girl and had enough of it. So I decided I'd move to Uk to make an experience, learn english (which as I realised later, is one of the most important skills one can have nowadays) and be with her.

    OH and trust me, Italy can be more hopeless than Somalia sometimes.
     
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    @MTF you are not alone. I too live in a region that suffers from perceptual gray skies for half of the year. At the moment, I've got priorities & commitments that keep me here. In a few years, when our lives have changed...I do plan to have another residence in a sunny, dry climate.

    If you don't have existing commitments that tie you to your current location, why not consider applying the Weighted Average Decision Matrix and see how it plays out? Just be thorough & honest with your WADM, it might surprise you.
     
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    "Just" my girlfriend, friends, and family. A few years ago I lived in a warm and sunny place for over 3 months and decided to go back because loneliness was overpowering. I'm afraid it might happen again, but at the same time each winter is harder and harder for me. It's a tough decision.
     
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    I'm basically the same as you. I remember MJ mentioning in his book that his lambo dreams included palm trees and sunshine.

    Is your current business / income location independent?

    I'm toying between
    a) Staying here in the dreary UK (it literally is) where I have all of the legal rights and ability to commit to a business, rationalising by thinking "hmm but if I move somewhere hot I won't want to spend time indoors working."
    b) Emigrating somewhere where it is sunny most of the year such as Sydney or Cali. If I do this though I may to do basically do any job for several years until I become a citizen. This would set my fastlane dreams back a few years at least!
     
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    I haven't read the thread but do it! It will improve your quality of life like nothing else. I should be way more miserable and unproductive where I moved to but I'm not, and its the weather. It is impossible not to be happy, excited about life and productive when the sun is shining and its hot, clear blue sky, driving in your car with the aircon on, you cannot not be positive and happy doing that. You feel like anything is possible and you are going somewhere. You do need to get used to it tho. The first few weeks I was stuck to the couch with the fan blowing, and it slowly got better from there. I will never move back home purely because of the weather here.
     
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    Traveling should be a great motivator for starting an online-passive income business.
     
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    Yes! I moved from Upstate New York (ranked #4 in US for snowfall and cloudiness). Very tough time up there for most of the year.

    I went to college in Louisiana (loved it). Then, went back to NY (hated it). Then, moved to Florida (loved it). Then, moved to Arizona (best decision I've made in a while).

    Going back and forth. I can definitely say that I've been much happier whenever I've lived in areas where it's warm and sunny most of the year.

    I recommend it for sure.

    This is something to consider. I personally would rather live where I'm happier.

    Good luck!
     
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    I live in Liverpool, Uk. This morning I had to turn the car on for 10 mins to defrost the windscreen before taking the kids to school. It's dark around 5pm now but pretty soon it will be dark by 3.30pm.

    I hate it. It's about that time of year where my "winter depression" kicks in. I'd love to move to a sunnier climate but circumstances at the moment aren't suitable. I wished I had done when I was younger though.



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    Yes. I can move wherever and whenever I want. The problem is that I can't take everyone with me, not that I can't do it myself. I could pack my stuff and leave tomorrow. Money and logistics are not a problem.

    It didn't get better for me when I did it a few years ago. I was relieved when I booked a ticket back home (I returned in late spring, though; I probably wouldn't be that happy to come home in winter or worse, fall). That's why I'm torn as I'm afraid it would just happen again.

    The big question is what makes you happier. Weather alone or being close to your close friends, family, etc. That's the question I can't answer. I'm aware I can make new friends, but friends aren't a commodity you can replace easily like your car, house or whatever

    Lol don't even get me started about defrosting the windscreen! It sounds like a minor annoyance but damn, each time I have to do it I think about moving. I remember replying to your thread about the same issue.

    I've actually just re-read my answer and think it would be valuable to repost it below:

    Perhaps the "this AND that" option is indeed the correct choice here. If anyone has experience with such a lifestyle, please don't be shy and share your experience.
     
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    Sun isn't THE major factor to happiness.

    If you think moving to a different climate will be the solution to all your problems, you might be disappointed.

    I always here Brits looking forward to their 2 weeks in Spain, or dreams of retirement in the Sun to live happily ever after. I think this is a bit simple minded.

    I've been in Thailand for most of the year, coming from the UK.

    I've taken the Sun for granted here, and certainly am not complaining that it's sunny. I've simply become used to it and i'm as 'happy' as I have always been.

    I welcome rain too. Sometimes I would be cold outside, or the weather wouldn't interrupt and put a downer or things back in the UK. So what?

    Other factors are more important - food, people/culture, cost of living, my bed & room, location to the city centre, availability of hobbies, fast internet connection, your car/motorcycle, your own space & solitude etc
     
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    Sound like you have a fear of leaving people behind. Who says anyone is being 'replaced'. You can still keep contact throught email/skype and returning home for a few months.

    You'll make new friends. Take a risk. Who says your new friendships won't live up to the old ones.

    I wouldn't let my emotional attachments hold me back.
     
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    @MTF ha yes I remember that. Coincidentally yesterday my Wife handed her notice in work. She couldn't handle the stress.

    She's on 6 months notice. I've got that time to generate the extra income she earned so that she doesn't have to look for another job.

    So how about we wait until I've done that and we all move together?

    Seriously, just do it. Like before you can always come back. Not to be morbid or anything but one day we'll be in a box and none of this will matter!


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    The winters aren't harsh here in Ireland. The kids love the frost and hopefully we'll get a bit of snow over Christmas.

    My canal walk is beautiful at the moment with all the different colours of the leaves.

    I love crisp days with blue skies, and as the days get shorter it brings back fond memories of previous autumns and winters.

    There's something magical too about the days getting longer in the spring after coming through the winter.

    It's a nice reminder of time passing as well.

    The fact that I work for myself means I don't spend the winter day in a cubicle not seeing the sun for months on end. I remember commuting to work in the dark, working in a windowless office, and commuting home in the dark. It wasn't great but I enjoyed my time in the pubs in Dublin in the evenings ... ha.

    Where we live now, my wife is 5 minutes walk from each of her 3 sisters, and 5 minutes drive from her parents. The kids are close to umpteen cousins, their school, and sports clubs.

    The weather isn't that important to me as you can tell. Spending time with my family is.

    If we could tow the whole island south and get a bit more sunshine then that would great. But realistically we've no intention of permanently moving somewhere just for the sun or weather.
     
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    Like I said earlier, I live a very happy life. It's only fall and winter that make me feel much worse but even then, it's not like I use it as an excuse for being unhappy. Even then I try to be as happy as I can.

    I fully agree with you that sun isn't the only factor to happiness, though I still believe it can play a big role, especially when it affects your health.

    @Vigilante - do you still travel back to colder climates for business/personal matters from time to time?

    Deal haha.

    True, though if I were to think about my happiest memories they wouldn't be the memories of me sitting alone on a beach in Mexico; they would be the memories of spending time with my girlfriend and friends (regardless of the weather).

    In the end after talking with my girlfriend and thinking about it myself I decided to fill my calendar for the winter with frequent trips to warm countries (going to book a December trip with some friends to the south of Spain today). While traveling, I'll be investigating possible places to move to in the future. If frequent travels won't solve the problem, I'll know where to go (though I pretty much narrowed down the choice to the south of Spain, the Canary Islands and the south of Portugal).

    Thank you for your perspective, @Andy Black. As weird as it sounds, your post is very soothing.
     
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    I'm already thinking about the same for a long time, but never was in a position to make the move. Now my current goal is to become a nomad in March.

    The first thing I would do is making a table of the Pros and Cons and really write them down in much detail. It's completely different writing it down and seeing it in front of you, then going through them in your mind.

    I'm a more logical thinker and less emotional , so I educated myself quite a bit about the biological and also emotional effects of sun deprivation, which are huge and can't be easily supplemented with Vitamin D as the sun creates all life on earth and a simple Vitamin can never have the same effect.

    From an evolutionary standpoint we are meant to be around warm and sunny weather, it's our natural habitat. For example look at the suicide rates in the north of Finland, where you have often no sun light for a long time in the winter. I also know now, that a few small health problems I have, were completely gone this summer, when I went a lot outside, so that's another big point for me.

    Also a few years back, I read a lot of stories here on the forum about people moving to warm countries/states and all said that everything got so much better, be it productivity, happiness etc and most didn't even realize, that it was maybe only the weather change, which not only effects themselves, but also all the people around them.

    For me it's for now a no-brainer with the only downside of leaving family/friends behind, but I think everything that is worthwhile in life has also a downside. My big Pro's are the weather, paying no freaking taxes, experiencing new cultures.

    I leave this reply with a quote of my friend "Augustine of Hippo"
    “The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page."
     
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    I am begrudgingly going back to the midwest this year for Christmas, and my son's college graduation. Love seeing the family, but they come to Florida regularly. I don't have a winter coat or any winter clothes any more, so I am not sure what I am going to do this Christmas. I told my wife I was going to have a town car pick me up, deliver me where ever I was going, and when it was time to leave they could come pick me up again and bring me to the airport.

    The older I got, the more I dreaded Fall because Fall lead to winter, and I literally came to despise winter. Quite frankly, I don't understand people who like it, and I can only assume that a lack of knowing any differently is what leads to their complacence. I had seasonal disfunction disorder. I dreaded winter, dreaded winter approaching, and spent five months a year in a shitty mood like everyone else did.

    Look at the cold weather states. Six months out of the year, the people are all assholes. Why? The air hurts your face. You trudge through slush in your dress shoes to your car, noticing that your pants, shoes and socks are now wet and will be like that for the better part of the day. You scrape the ICE off your windshield, and start your car while your body is trying to adjust from the 70+ indoor temps to the now below freezing weather that literally could freeze your blood if you let it. The car starts to warm up, but traffic sucks because it is snowing, and the snow plows haven't come through yet. Your 20 minute commute takes an hour, which is OK because everyone else is late also. You walk in the door to the office, and all anyone wants to talk about is the shitty weather. Vendors like me might fly in for a meeting, marvel at the fact that you live in a freezer, and fly back to the tropics. You look at the calendar but your one week vacation to the beach is still seven weeks away. You dread the drive home, the walk through the slush, the scraping the windshield, the warming up the car, the commute home through the snow, and the driveway that is waiting there for you to shovel it after the long, stressful, winter induced hateful day you had. And the next morning? You can get up and do it all again.

    Coats. Winter hats. Mittens. Frozen snot. Frozen cars. Shoveling. Bad drivers. No sunshine. Cold to the bone. Dead battery. Need new windshield wipers. New tires. New attitude. You choose that. All of that.

    Guess what? NOBODY needs to live like that. It is a choice.
     
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    The reason why people are always pissed off is because of a lack of Vitamin D. You could take some Vitamin D supplements to off-set the bad mood, but it still won't help you with the cold. Personally I'm trying to get out of Canada ASAP.
     
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    The reason people are pissed off is because the slush goes over the top of their dress shoes. Vitamin D doesn't help that unless you take the bag came in and use that inside of your shoes.
     
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