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Andy Black

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You may be tempted to lurk - in this forum, other forums, or in life.

You'll do better to participate instead.

Worried you don’t have value to add?

Start by giving thanks.

If you read something you like then don’t just hit the Like button.

Quote it, thank the poster, and explain why it helped you.

Here’s what’ll happen:

1) You’ll help the poster realise they’re not posting to the void.

2) You’ll encourage them to post again.

3) You’ll help them keep going, possibly through dark times.

4) You’ll get into the habit of “giving thanks” where you explain how it’s helped you.

5) You’ll start being seen as someone who appreciates and supports others.

6) You’ll slowly move from team consumer to team producer.

7) You’ll start making friends, building relationships, and creating win-wins (the essence of business).

Try it and see what happens.

Come back and thank me later.


>>> Read a related post from 2015 <<<


Video version added Sep-2022:

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The problem with most social media today! Reddit and Youtube are big platforms where most of the production is done by less than 1% of users and consumed by over 99%.

Can't expect much to happen if all you do is consume.

The forum has the same problem.

You wouldn't believe how many new users I delete because their first post is promotion, mediation spam, backlinking, and other no-value posts. You would not recognize this place if all that got thru.

Thanks Andy for a great post, marked GOLD. AND SOOOOOO TRUE.
 
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Whenever I see a user on the forum asking for mentorship I see myself in their shoes when I first started here. To them I like to echo what you're saying here and encourage users here to engage with the people and ideas on this forum - in this exchange lies the magic they often seek.

The best way to learn is to participate. The best way to learn from other people is to engage them - and this forum, houses thousands of people and a broad spectrum of ideas. Learn to engage the ideas you resonate with, or those that simply draw your attention: not only will you bond with those that share the same vision, but the exchange of ideas leads to the transmutation of one person's idea through your perspective and back into the chamber, allowing for a more encompassing understanding and appreciation of the matter.

Make new friends and participate as a mode of operation: you will learn far more than you might have thought at first.
 
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The beauty of posting in communities and social media vs on a blog is that we get feedback. Without it we may stop producing.
Andy, I took your advice yesterday. You often say to take your posts from social media (where you helped people) and repurpose them into blog posts.

I did the exact opposite - I repurposed some of my blog posts to social media (in this case, my Quora account). I repurposed about 17 blog posts to answer some questions, and it only took me an hour yesterday afternoon (~3.5 minutes per post).

The result? Pretty good.

Here are the stats (crazy for less than a full day's worth of results). The graph is answer views on Quora for the last 30 days:
Quora Last 30 Days November 7.jpg
I also have a link to my website/blog in my Quora profile. This can lead to more visitors to my website and possibly more links, which will help my rankings in Google, allowing me to reach and help even more people.

Guys: this stuff works. Listen to Andy.
 

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You may be tempted to lurk - in this forum, in other forums, or in life.

I urge you to participate instead.

Worried you don’t have value to add?

The easiest way you can participate is to “give thanks”.

If you read something you like then don’t just hit the Like button. Quote it, thank the poster, and explain why it helped you.

Here’s what’ll happen:

1) You’ll help the poster realise they’re not posting to the void.

2) You’ll encourage them to post again.

3) You’ll help them keep going, possibly through dark times.

4) You’ll get into the habit of “giving thanks” properly (where you explain how it’s helped you).

5) You’ll start being seen as someone who appreciates and supports others.

6) You’ll slowly move from team consumer to team producer.

7) You’ll start making friends, building relationships, and creating win-wins (the essence of business).

Try it and see what happens.

Come back and thank me later.

Thank you, as I am a hardcore lurker. I disqualify myself from posting a lot of times. I've been meditating to get rid of the negative voice in my head and I finished the book "The Surrender Experiment" recommended by MJ, which taught me a lot about not forcing things and just letting them flow.
 

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Thank you everyone who replied. I hope you throw away that spectator badge for good and join us in the arena.

For those of you who don’t feel you can add value, check out this thread:

(And thanks MJ for the Gold badge. I hope this thread is found by new members for many years to come.)
 
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You may be tempted to lurk - in this forum, in other forums, or in life.

I urge you to participate instead.

Worried you don’t have value to add?

The easiest way to participate is to “give thanks”.

If you read something you like then quote it, thank the poster, and explain why it helped you.

Here’s what’ll happen:

1) You’ll help the poster realise they’re not posting to the void.

2) You’ll encourage them to post again.

3) You support them and help them keep going, possibly through dark times.

4) You’ll get into the habit of “giving thanks” properly (where you explain how it’s helped you).

5) You’ll start being seen as someone who appreciates and supports others.

6) You’ll slowly move from team consumer to team producer.

7) You’ll start making friends, building relationships, and creating win-wins (the essence of business).

Try it and see what happens.

Come back and thank me later.
In case you didn’t notice, I’m selling you on becoming a better version of yourself.

Like all sales, it works best when it’s “You focused” (as resident copywriters @Lex DeVille and @Bekit would call it).

Count how many times I use the word “you” in the opening post…
 

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Such a great post, I've been lurking here for months now, I dint post anything because I felt I have nothing to offer, not in just forums but in real life too, when I feel I have nothing important to say I keep my mouth shut, so this post makes me feel better, thank you! It's so hard to become a producer when you have been a consumer all your life, but I'm getting there slowly!
 
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Andy, I took your advice yesterday. You often say to take your posts from social media (where you helped people) and repurpose them into blog posts.

I did the exact opposite - I repurposed some of my blog posts to social media (in this case, my Quora account). I repurposed about 17 blog posts to answer some questions, and it only took me an hour yesterday afternoon (~3.5 minutes per post).

The result? Pretty good.

Here are the stats (crazy for less than a full day's worth of results). The graph is answer views on Quora for the last 30 days:
View attachment 40655
I also have a link to my website/blog in my Quora profile. This can lead to more visitors to my website and possibly more links, which will help my rankings in Google, allowing me to reach and help even more people.

Guys: this stuff works. Listen to Andy.
Whoa. That’s a crazy graph! You went from maybe averaging 50 Quora answer-views a day to 624?

Maybe you can start a progress thread documenting this?

I heard Nicolas Cole describe our biggest asset as not being our email list, but our library of content that built that email list. If you can take that library from one platform to another then you can rebuild your email list. Great to see you starting this.

Something to bear in mind is that it’s often better to say the same thing to different people than different things to the same people.

I’m also reminded of this chat:
 

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Thanks a lot @Andy Black

I’d long held the belief that I’m not “qualified” to post here since I’m not banking millions, but enough with that limiting belief.

I have a lot to offer simply by documenting my journey and how I overcome obstacles similar to the ones that others here (will) face.

I have some value bombs coming for y’all. Be prepared! ;)
 
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You may be tempted to lurk - in this forum, in other forums, or in life.

I urge you to participate instead.
I started making myself post here because one aspect is accountability and another of learning to properly communicate.

Worried you don’t have value to add?
I ran in this to start, trying to comment on as many threads as possible. Like trying to make an essay reach 5000 words, I wasn't really adding any value.

If you have value, you should share it, if not no worries.

6) You’ll slowly move from team consumer to team producer.

The problem with most social media today! Reddit and Youtube are big platforms where most of the production is done by less than 1% of users and consumed by over 99%.

Can't expect much to happen if all you do is consume.


Thanks Andy ;)
 
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Good point Andy.

A lot of people post valuable insights on the forum, but they might stop posting if they don't think anyone finds the information useful.

They might think "this info is easy to find, so no need to share it", but it might be helpful to someone just starting out. You could save that person hours, days, or weeks of struggle with a quick comment.

I will try this out - thanks in advance.
 

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Yeah wow, thanks for that insight Andy. I've been lurking here for several months now and still not able to introduce myself to the forum. I should really shift slowly from being a consumer to becoming a producer.
 
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I'm seriously going to start forcing myself to participate the forum. I get so nervous about posting anything online. I'll (re)start here. Thank you for the post. It speaks to me and you're right I all i want to do is lurk. This helps me see that maybe I do have something to contribute to this forum. And you can't argue with the pros you listed!

Good for you on addressing a fear and not being consumed by it. This is a start to much bigger things for you.
 

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You may be tempted to lurk - in this forum, other forums, or in life.

You'll do better to participate instead.

Worried you don’t have value to add?

Start by giving thanks.

If you read something you like then don’t just hit the Like button.

Quote it, thank the poster, and explain why it helped you.

Here’s what’ll happen:

1) You’ll help the poster realise they’re not posting to the void.

2) You’ll encourage them to post again.

3) You’ll help them keep going, possibly through dark times.

4) You’ll get into the habit of “giving thanks” where you explain how it’s helped you.

5) You’ll start being seen as someone who appreciates and supports others.

6) You’ll slowly move from team consumer to team producer.

7) You’ll start making friends, building relationships, and creating win-wins (the essence of business).

Try it and see what happens.

Come back and thank me later.
Thanks for this. I've been feeling like I don't have any value here, which will definitely put me in lurker mode. Giving thanks and showing genuine gratitude is something I struggle with. I want to get better at that through these kind of platforms.
 

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You may be tempted to lurk - in this forum, other forums, or in life.

You'll do better to participate instead.

Worried you don’t have value to add?

Start by giving thanks.

If you read something you like then don’t just hit the Like button.

Quote it, thank the poster, and explain why it helped you.

Here’s what’ll happen:

1) You’ll help the poster realise they’re not posting to the void.

2) You’ll encourage them to post again.

3) You’ll help them keep going, possibly through dark times.

4) You’ll get into the habit of “giving thanks” where you explain how it’s helped you.

5) You’ll start being seen as someone who appreciates and supports others.

6) You’ll slowly move from team consumer to team producer.

7) You’ll start making friends, building relationships, and creating win-wins (the essence of business).

Try it and see what happens.

Come back and thank me later.

Thank you so much for posting this.

I'm poor at getting involved with online forums. In fact, this is the only one I ever engage in. This might be only the second time I've commented, so I'm the lurker you point out above.

There are several posts on this forum that have changed the way I think about the world. I'm going to comment and say thanks to those authors now. Thank you!
 

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You may be tempted to lurk - in this forum, other forums, or in life.

You'll do better to participate instead.

Worried you don’t have value to add?

Start by giving thanks.

If you read something you like then don’t just hit the Like button.

Quote it, thank the poster, and explain why it helped you.

Here’s what’ll happen:

1) You’ll help the poster realise they’re not posting to the void.

2) You’ll encourage them to post again.

3) You’ll help them keep going, possibly through dark times.

4) You’ll get into the habit of “giving thanks” where you explain how it’s helped you.

5) You’ll start being seen as someone who appreciates and supports others.

6) You’ll slowly move from team consumer to team producer.

7) You’ll start making friends, building relationships, and creating win-wins (the essence of business).

Try it and see what happens.

Come back and thank me later.
Thank you! I will apply this now and yes, I always doubt myself before posting a reply. Sometimes I even type it and just delete it after, so this definitely applies to me. Thanks again
 

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You may be tempted to lurk - in this forum, in other forums, or in life.

I urge you to participate instead.

Worried you don’t have value to add?

The easiest way you can participate is to “give thanks”.

If you read something you like then don’t just hit the Like button. Quote it, thank the poster, and explain why it helped you.

Here’s what’ll happen:

1) You’ll help the poster realise they’re not posting to the void.

2) You’ll encourage them to post again.

3) You’ll help them keep going, possibly through dark times.

4) You’ll get into the habit of “giving thanks” properly (where you explain how it’s helped you).

5) You’ll start being seen as someone who appreciates and supports others.

6) You’ll slowly move from team consumer to team producer.

7) You’ll start making friends, building relationships, and creating win-wins (the essence of business).

Try it and see what happens.

Come back and thank me later.
Thanks for this.
The point about liking the content vs engaging really hit home with me. I guess in engaging with the content by writing does move a lot more of the grey cells and helps to internalize it a lot better.
 
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You may be tempted to lurk - in this forum, in other forums, or in life.

I urge you to participate instead.

Worried you don’t have value to add?

The easiest way you can participate is to “give thanks”.

If you read something you like then don’t just hit the Like button. Quote it, thank the poster, and explain why it helped you.

Here’s what’ll happen:

1) You’ll help the poster realise they’re not posting to the void.

2) You’ll encourage them to post again.

3) You’ll help them keep going, possibly through dark times.

4) You’ll get into the habit of “giving thanks” properly (where you explain how it’s helped you).

5) You’ll start being seen as someone who appreciates and supports others.

6) You’ll slowly move from team consumer to team producer.

7) You’ll start making friends, building relationships, and creating win-wins (the essence of business).

Try it and see what happens.

Come back and thank me later.
Well Andy, you just managed to break my 5 year lurking streak.
I'm definitely ashamed, but it was time to make the transition.

That's the power of words. Thank you.
 

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I'm seriously going to start forcing myself to participate the forum. I get so nervous about posting anything online. I'll (re)start here. Thank you for the post. It speaks to me and you're right I all i want to do is lurk. This helps me see that maybe I do have something to contribute to this forum. And you can't argue with the pros you listed!
 
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Thank you for this post Andy. Sometimes all a person needs is something like this, quick call to action that will wake you up. I am a person that usually consumes 95% of content, and very rarely produces something. But this post gave me the "permission" to go and write something mine. Immediately went to forum that I lurk onto since a long time and I commented like 3 different posts.

And also here I am commenting this thread.
 

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No longer lurking, thanks to Andy.

Uncertain how much i can contribute to this forum. But I want to try and be active and build postive relationships for accountability and inspiration.

Its people like Andy and MJ who put themselves out there that make me feel like, I can do it too.
Grateful I found this forum and thankful to everyone for being active and posting, sharing, inspiring, mentoring ect ect.

As a budding fastlane student, this forum is a gold mine!
Thank you for keeping it real!
 

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You may be tempted to lurk - in this forum, other forums, or in life.

You'll do better to participate instead.

Worried you don’t have value to add?

Start by giving thanks.

If you read something you like then don’t just hit the Like button.

Quote it, thank the poster, and explain why it helped you.

Here’s what’ll happen:

1) You’ll help the poster realise they’re not posting to the void.

2) You’ll encourage them to post again.

3) You’ll help them keep going, possibly through dark times.

4) You’ll get into the habit of “giving thanks” where you explain how it’s helped you.

5) You’ll start being seen as someone who appreciates and supports others.

6) You’ll slowly move from team consumer to team producer.

7) You’ll start making friends, building relationships, and creating win-wins (the essence of business).

Try it and see what happens.

Come back and thank me later.
Hey Andy!

I love reading your posts and comments! You have so much wisdom to share. I definitely feel like a lurker but I’ve challenged myself to be more active in commenting and even posting. I really don’t like social media and have never been big on putting myself out there as Facebook and instagram and all the others seem so shallow and make me feel crappy the more time I spend on them. So I’ve got rid off the apps off my phone and spend all that time I would be spending on social media on this forum now. I am wondering though as I start to build a brand and business is it essential to be well versed in marketing with social media??
 

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You may be tempted to lurk - in this forum, other forums, or in life.

You'll do better to participate instead.

Worried you don’t have value to add?

Start by giving thanks.

If you read something you like then don’t just hit the Like button.

Quote it, thank the poster, and explain why it helped you.

Here’s what’ll happen:

1) You’ll help the poster realise they’re not posting to the void.

2) You’ll encourage them to post again.

3) You’ll help them keep going, possibly through dark times.

4) You’ll get into the habit of “giving thanks” where you explain how it’s helped you.

5) You’ll start being seen as someone who appreciates and supports others.

6) You’ll slowly move from team consumer to team producer.

7) You’ll start making friends, building relationships, and creating win-wins (the essence of business).

Try it and see what happens.

Come back and thank me later.
Thanks! It's true though. A good way to keep the dynamic happening, and indeed perfect practice makes perfect
 
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Thanks Andy. I've been a wantrepreneur for years. As an introvert, one of the things that has held me back is that I know I'm going to have to talk to a lot more people than I'm comfortable with right now. Saying thanks to someone online is a comfortable baby step forward.
 

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Start by giving thanks.

If you read something you like then don’t just hit the Like button.

Quote it, thank the poster, and explain why it helped you.

@Andy Black Thanks for this post. It was the first one I read upon returning to the forum last week after not being around since last year.

It came at a time when I was particularly down (for non-business reasons) and needed it. And it help set my head and mindset back on a good path for my life and my business.

So,
Thanks for the reminder to be thankful and grateful.
Thanks for being an example and a leader here to help all of us that are struggling.
Thanks for being a real person.
Thanks for always responding and giving thoughtful comments that are constructive and productive.

And I'm working on trying to pay forward the spirit of your comment. I just posted a long Update Post on what's happened with me and my business over the last 16 months (some good, some bad, some tragic). I'm not sure it will help anyone but maybe my perseverance and struggle, and modest success, can help someone else, so I wanted to share.
 
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