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Does Every Multimillionaire / Billionaire Lose Touch With Reality?

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    This is something that has been bothering me for quite a while.

    I must admit. I found inspiration to write it after reading this post from MJ on Elon Musk’s recent ‘behaviour’.

    Link here:

    What's going on with Elon Musk? Eccentric or going mad?

    But this was just a trigger.

    Do you know Arnold Schwarzenegger?

    Or Warren Buffet?

    Or Bill Gates?

    Or George Soros?

    Of course you don't (or you do).

    Either way they are multimillionaires / billionaires.

    What I have noticed is, they have allowed themselves to release brain farts in volumes, that made me think they had lost touch with reality (at least temporarily, great excuse, I lost it, did something horribly wrong, but only for a second, so I am excused...).

    "Reputation is like china, once broken it's never well-mended" - Abraham Lincoln

    One of my greatest idols, and the ‘biggest’ bodybuilder of all time. Arnold Schwarzenegger. One of the greatest figures of business, sports, entertainment etc… He ripped one like this:

    "“if you work hard

    and you play by the rules

    this country is truly

    open to you.

    You can achieve anything."

    but did he get to where he is

    playing by the rules? Or would

    he have ever even been famous

    had he not taken

    those drugs?”

    That’s from a movie “Bigger, Stronger, Faster” (recommended watching). The transcript here:

    Bigger Stronger Faster Script - transcript from the screenplay and/or the steroids movie

    Another one let out by Arnold when I saw his FB profile and he was writing something about clean energy… The guy who got Hummer adapted to civilian application, who has driven ‘tanks’ and flying jets solo………….. While I admire all who want to better our world. I don’t like people advocating one thing (ban steroid, suppress ‘unclean’ energy consumption) and using the opposite to achieve their goals.


    This one was from another thread I cannot find now. Mark Zuckerberg promoting open society:


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM8l623AouM


    Zuckerberg Wants An Open Society; Just Not Within His Own Company

    While building physical walls in his real life:

    Mark Zuckerberg is building a wall, and Hawaiians aren't happy about it

    The last, but not least.

    Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and the likes advocating some ridiculous policies, while benefiting from the complete opposite state.

    Doug Casey’s Two Days with the Real and Wannabe Elite - International Man

    To summarise.

    Do you want to know my answer?

    Because I am not omnipotent, I will reach out to mathematics, not to consume more of your time and space here.

    Statistically speaking, the number of assh*les and assh*lness in every population should be in balance, according to normal distribution.

    But the impact/influence/misery you can ‘apply’ to the world when having 5$ and BN5$ is completely different, isn’t it?

    What is your opinion?
     
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    Dude, there were no such rules in bodybuilding back then. Arnie couldn't break rules that didn't exist, could he? At Mr. Olympia there barely are any today, even.
     
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    Steroids were legal when Arnold was young.

    But yes all those people you've mentioned live in a bubble. They won't feel the effects of the policies they want. Some of them may even know that the rules don't apply to them.
     
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    Perspectives.

    Just as having £0 in your bank account gives you a unique perspective, so does having £XX,XXX,XXX,XXX.

    Meanwhile everyone is human so will unavoidably adopt typical human flaws, hypocrisy, for example...
     
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    Lets just say it was true.

    Why would it bother you?
     
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    Reality is a fun term, because everyone seems to have their own!

    Seriously though - a lot of the social anger going on today is the result of everyone judging everyone else by their own standard for reality and demanding that the world see theirs as the "one true" version.

    A billionaire does not live the life of a homeless person.
    A software engineer making $120k per year is not living the same life as a waiter making $40k per year.
    Someone in Ohio is not living the same life as someone in California.
    A drug addict is not living the same life as a teetotaler.
    A teacher is not living the same life as the politician who dictates education reform.
    Democrats don't live republican lives.

    We try to see other people's struggles but their reality isn't our reality.

    Personally I interact with a wide variety of people. Some rich, some poor, some capitalist, some socialist, some teachers, some students, some atheists and some theists, some drug users and some health nuts. My social circles make about as much sense as a child scribbling on paper.

    If it's one thing I've learned from all of this it's that almost none of these people will respect or understand the perspective of the rest. Trying to force them to 'open their eyes' is just an effort in futility and frustration.

    I enjoy a good debate between these different people but the lack of understanding and acceptance between them is palpable. The greater the difference on some fundamental axis of life, the greater the misunderstanding.

    And of course i'm no different. I have my own thoughts, ideas, feelings and realities. I'm cold on subjects people are hot to and hot to subjects people are cold to. That's life. We each have our own. The best we can do is try to live a good one by our own standards.
     
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    The deviants are always the most obvious case studies. For every deviant millionaire there are many more relatively-sane millionaires no one knows about.
     
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    @above: I agree with you: there's survivor bias at play. If you know basic statistics, it's usually not feasible to run accurate statistical tests for nearly any studies. Here's why:
    1. You have to get a random sample of everyone the study would affect. Even if you just take a small group of people, usually that group is easy to find which is a convenience sample.
    2. You have to make sure everyone responds to the study in the study; usually that's not true. Also people could lie in the study.
    So typically a study will be biased towards an outcome.
     
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    That is more true than you may realize...

    I read a fascinating book a few years ago. The author wrote it from a liberal/progressive viewpoint, but I think the science he quoted is valid. He referenced studies that found self-described liberals and conservatives have different brain structures and respond to stimuli significantly differently. Probably they developed their personal political ideologies as a result of their differing views of reality.

    It made me despair that our polarized political environment could probably never come to a workable compromise, since we really don't exist in the same world. We have divergent values and beliefs of what is important and how it should be managed.

    The same dynamic doubtless plays out in most interactions between people. Don't assume you can convince someone just by "explaining" your position. They may not agree with your axioms, your stated and unstated underlying assumptions about the situation. If you don't agree on first principles, it's hard to agree on anything derived from those principles.
     
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    They don't.

    The thing with being f*cking rich is that:
    • You don't have to pretend to give a sh*t what other people think anymore
    • You have a lot more liberty to do whatever you damn well please
    • Many rules no longer apply to you
    Got envy, OP? You green? You poor as hell, right? Feel better about this thread, instead of just working to get rich yourself?

    Zero chance, absolutely zero chance, you're going to succeed. Nobody who talks like that, nobody who thinks this language is impressive, is moving out of his parent's basement in the next 5 years.

    Well done, genius.

    You should focus on something that matters. Really matters. Like: it can pay rent.
     
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    About this? I don't have one.

    [​IMG]
     
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    A what? Can you translate that from Canadian to 'Merrican.
     
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    Why does that bother you?

    There are around 15 million millionaires in the US and you are basing your "opinion" on a couple of people that completed changed the industry/the world?
     
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    What exactly is reality? Elon Musk's reality is his own.

    I think he's in touch with his own reality.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the number of assh*les (does the "o" really make a difference here? Sorry, I digress) in the population is equal to the population size. I guess it all just depends on your point of view...

    What a boring truth. More cash to the deviants! Ironically, the majority gets to define "sane", meaning anything they don't understand or agree with. Who pushes progress?

    Sidenote; you don't need to be rich for all that. "chicken or egg"?
     
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    The USA has many millionaires who are leading normal, unsung lives. They are quieting taking care of their businesses and communities. Most of the time, you would never know that these people are sitting on large nest eggs. It's their secret.
     
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    What is most surprising to me is that there are people who are surprised to learn that human beings are often fallible, contradictory, unreliable, two-faced, self-deceived, self-absorbed, and in general do not behave as the rules of formal logic would predict.

    What would ever give you (anyone) the idea that things were different or that money has any power to change it?
     
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    With Arnold. Think he fit that pose. And then he worked it. Definitely did not blow the planet up. Still business elements like royalities and more than that are working well towards that type of productacracy. With Elon. He is multifaceted. Must have some aces up his sleeve. Or a glowing tesla coil:)
     
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    True. Yet he slips something about banning steroids or being against…. Or his governor office. He basically said "I took one but you loser cannot do it anymore". I was naive. I know.

    I felt disappointed they could even say/do something like this. They influence millions. If not billions.

    On the other hand, when I read your question, I shouldn’t be bothered because I can choose what to believe in. I should also stop thinking about it. But 10 years ago I believed what Buffet preached, not what he did personally. And it did affect my life negatively. I now put it under ‘life learning curve’ and have small regrets (hopefully none in a couple of weeks).

    Thank you for this short but important question.

    @DVU
    See above. Thanks for commenting.

    @JAJT

    This is some good read. Rep transferred. Thank you for this.

    Yes exactly. I think these make headlines but most of them are silent heroes.

    Which reminds me of this picture I saw today.

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    @garyfritz

    Thanks. Rep transferred.

    I would also recommend “Sapiens”. @Longinus told me to read it and it’s one of the best books to get perspective about life.

    My idea was that if you are on certain level, it means you care even more about other people. I wrote I was naive.

    I don't know where it's getting from... Well, I know. From your keyboard, from under your fingers, from your head... Are these the only feelings, impressions and ideas you have about people?

    Eleanor Roosevelt brain farts are also interesting. Did she invent a spaceship? Lead a group of scientists in the Manhattan Project? Who was she, because I don’t know her achievements except releasing brain farts like these.

    Let’s stop discussing people and do what we love, don’t look at people in your business equation because people cannot be discussed. Because someone dead supposedly said so.

    Oooo and ask MJ to remove this subgroup from the forum because the dead lady told you to.


    It seems it gives you choice to better yourself. And it seems it's not mandatory in some cases. Like Doug Casey wrote. When you achieve greatness in one field, it doesn't mean you know anything else. Except for this small part of reality.
     
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    I don't really care since I don't (try to) follow celebrities. Arnold has an electric H1 though. I had to Google that one.

    As a note, these people aren't popular in a vacuum. They're popular because their opinion resonates with people.

    If Arnold went around telling normal people the truth:

    "You're all lazy piece of sh*ts that watch too much TV and eat too much junk. You'll never become Mr. Universe or do anything great. Those of you that aren't lazy... well you most likely don't have the right body genetics for bodybuilding. Those of you with the top .01% genetics AND good work ethic. You're still going to have work your a$$ off for years with little to no reward, take steroids, and you still might not make it. Sucks for you."

    Yeah... I don't think he'd be too popular.

    It's easier to just tell people what they want to hear:

    "Work hard kid. Eat your broccoli, do curls (in the squat rack), and one day you too can become Mr. Universe."

    The takeaway.

    People don't want to hear the truth. They just want to have someone reaffirm their own opinions.
     
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    He actually did that:

    "Sleep faster" - that's his answer to "I have no time" excuse :D
     
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    Have you done any of those things? I also don't know any of your achievements except releasing brain farts like this thread, so you think your opinion should also be ignored?

    I actually didn't know this was the Gossip subforum, I thought the "People" in "People & Relationships" was in a different context, like most of the posts in this subforum, but then I see MJ's thread about Elon Musk, and while his reputation precedes him and yours doesn't, it seems like you posted this in the right place.

    Let me know your thoughts on the Kardashians next, dying to know what you think. Can you believe Kylie Jenner is a billionaire? OMG, do you think she deserves it?!
     
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    If your goal is to be wealthy and fulfill your life’s purpose, these are not the sort of questions you should be asking OP.

    Start learning to ask better questions.
     
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    It’s all your perception. Let’s pretend that I hate blue m&ms. So i pay someone to open up my m&ms and take out all the blue ones and reseal the package.

    Does that sound crazy to you?

    Well to me, it takes time that i value to do that and i have an assistant who i can tell to do that because i pay him a salary. Maybe it costs me $20 every 2 weeks and i have $50m. So why do i care?

    But you make $30k a year so it seems ridiculous.

    Its the same as having a landscaper or a house cleaner. It just sounds crazy due to your perspective.
     
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    @Coalission

    You made my day today! Thank you for the forum $$$$$$. I love you Man!

    I wanted to move this to PMs, if you ever would want to reply anyway, but will comment it here, for anyone in the future, let him find something useful, hopefully.

    Ok, I just don't think Eleanor Roosevelt should stand in the same row with Arnie, Bill, Warren, Mark and the likes... Maybe you will prove me wrong?

    I haven't done these things because I am working on my own 'revolutionary thing'. No need to reinvent the wheel. And after talking to blue-collar-20+-year-experience-factory-plant-multimillionaire-owners, there are patents and ideas from before 1960s that are waiting to be developed and implemented into mass scale. Look at Musk, he took the idea from early 1900s and didn't add much to it, the battery sucked in 1917, sucked in 1980 when the guys quoted by me built the cars in the garages, and they still suck - lithium-ion made a huge difference, but still has no match to diesel and petrol. That's why I don't like Musk, I think he's not doing any good with Tesla (not to mention SpaceX but it will raise voices, I can defend, open another thread and challenge me there if anyone wants).

    I don't know what Kardashians do, or Kylie Jenner. Are they fit into inventor/changing the world type of person and could stand in row with Buffet and Gates?



    As for this one. So you basically 'discriminate' my ideas, because they come from under my nickname, not MJ's? Isn't that discussing people, instead of their ideas? Have you ever thought that MJ has ten more nicknames, with different 'status' each of them to lurk here and test users? Have you ever thought I might be him?

    How did you assess that I am not wealthy and haven't fulfilled my life goals? Do you have some kind of device to do that? Assessing by forum posts etc.?

    I humbly accept your advice. Thanks you @csalvato . The learning process ends with death, not a second earlier. And I still don't have evidence it ends then...
     

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