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Fastlane Companies are entities, and hide behind human resources. They have no soul.

Discussion in 'Lessons from Success/Failure' started by eliquid, Jan 17, 2017.

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    Btw, just replying to the title of this thread...

    In my limited experience, when a company grows big enough to get a HR department, things change quite a lot for the worse.

    HR work for the business, and are there to protect the business and make the most out of their Human Resources. Don't forget who's side they're on.
     
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    thanks

    in fact, i can't keep a job more than 6 months because i can't agree with stupid policies and way of working.

    ahah.. so every time either i slam the door or i am kicked out of the building by the boss

    freedom is above stupidity
     
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    Thanks! I have found my WHY and and while it stinks to have his pay cut, I know I can help make up the difference with a great business.
     
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    So true. They go by the book for the most part in order to protect the company against wrongful dismissal and harassment lawsuits, but at the end of the day, the big boss will make the call and HR will abide.

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    Im not naive to the fact that im dispensable. When the owner gave me the position I have he sat me down and told me to my face that I'm replaceable.

    On that same note he's mentored me and helped me build my company to the point where I dont have to work for him, or anyone for that matter any more. But I want to, because the things I learn and observe from within the company I work for directly benefit and increase the performance of what I do in my company.

    Yeah the company might not care about what I do and I may be completely dispensable and F*ck it I might get fired or laid off one day. But it doesnt deter from the fact that the people that make up that company can teach you things that you couldnt learn on your own that can directly benefit your fastlane ventures.
     
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    from european point of view, it seems that america is "the culture of lawsuits" so to speak.

    you can demand millions because your coffee was too hot at the local burger shop.

    this is a real example, i don't invent anything

    i like this kind of structured society.

    i like things to be stuctured but in the right way.
     
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    I had a mentor once, who at one point was trying to drive home that point to me. His firm over the years had paid me several years of a couple hundred thousand a year. He asked me if I trusted him. I said yes.

    He said I shouldn't... because if it came down to paying himself or paying me, he picked himself.

    He was direct, honest, and trying to crush my naivety which years down the road would keep me from being crushed when my sugar daddy wasn't around to pick me up off the ground.
     
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    How about when a company goes public? We already know the answer to that.
     
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    In many ways, the lawsuit culture of the United States is our version of regulations/consumer protection. The alternative is to force the government to keep on top of every new product and industry. The government is too slow and clumsy to do this (and frankly, we don't necessarily want them to be effective/powerful/fast enough to rise to the task). Lawsuit culture fills in the gap, and does so quite well all things considered.

    For instance, the woman who sued over hot coffee had received third degree burns and had to get multiple skin grafts. McDonalds' policy at the time was to serve it at that temperature (190 degrees F; 87 degrees C): it was not a fluke incident, yet McDonalds refused to cover her medical bills, apologize, or even change their policy on the serving temperature. In other words, they refused to take accountability for physically harming a customer. As a consumer, when I drink coffee, I'm grateful to that woman for suing the pants off McDonald's until they felt the pain and changed their policy on serving temperature.

    Same with doctors - it sucks that they get sued so much, but the fear of lawsuits has led to them practicing "defensive medicine" and incentivizes the development of lower-risk treatments - which in turn led to a decrease in serious injury and death for patients in many specialities. This is perhaps most evident in obstetrics, where a conservative C-section policy has saved the lives of millions of women and babies. Frankly, I'm quite glad that I don't have a 4% chance of dying in childbirth. Instead, in the U.S. it's more like 0.0006%, and there were definitely some lawsuits involved in the lowering of that number.
     
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    Very well put. I couldn't agree more. Thank you indeed.
     
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    Glad my thoughts on this came across clearly!

    I'll add that this kind of consumer protection helps companies too. For instance, I am not afraid to buy coffee at McDonald's, or any menu item for that matter, because if it's acutely harmful I figure someone has already sued. Obviously, no company wants to be the target of a lawsuit, but the system itself allows for a general sense of consumer trust in most companies.

    ...And also, I think most business owners would rather be sued than shot. Because I'm pretty sure that the Wild Wild West alternative to lawsuit culture is vigilantism. :)
     
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    Interesting.. I'm 23 but I'm pretty aware of this. I'm working in sales to learn, refine my skills, and get paid based on performance.

    My goal is to save up enough money to cover expenses and be able to invest into businesses, while building up a side-stream of income as well.

    In a year or so when I have a few thousand a month coming in, an FHA mortgage where I can live relatively rent-free, and when I have a few tens of thousands in savings, I'll have my expenses low enough and enough cash to ride through any entrepreneurship storm without literally going hungry. I know it's risky to live off your employer, that's why I've been planning this since graduating.

    I figure it's less risky than riding the storm as an entrepreneur with NO cash - at least you have a paycheck for the time being when you're just starting out as an entrepreneur. Like someone said above, if you have a bad year as an entrepreneur you aren't getting a paycheck. A company having a bad year, you still get paid.

    Thoughts?
     
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    One thing about the OP is that with a change in frame of reference, this becomes a stellar list of reasons to go fastlane and be the OWNER of aforementioned company.

    If I'm the guy that owns this, I'm looking at this list and going "hell yeah". :clench:
     
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    You did this by aggressive marketing, budgeting and sales techniques?


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    That, but more importantly implementing dramatic innovation within the company primarily.
     
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    Interesting.....I want to have that same mindset like you.


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    Bumping, because I know a new year brings many people new goals and plans.

    Here's to your independence.
     
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    What the shit? Did McDonalds pour hot coffee into her lap? Did they pick up the coffee, walk over to her, and then throw it in her lap? Or was it self-inflicted?

    Interestingly this kind of attitude is precisely the same sick attitude of "I have no control", "bad things just happen to me and it's some big bad company's fault and they owe me" that this thread is aimed against.

    Every individual is responsible for their own actions. You're not some helpless child, with big corporations your daddy, who should be nice to you and give you presents! Boo hoo!

    You have no right to burden others with your own retardedness. So selling $1 coffees is to be attached with multimillion liability if you do something stupid with it? Everyone else is to be your free insurance policy against your own ineptness? You have to be absolutely perfect at all times, or the customer can take you to the cleaners?

    No wonder the middle-class constantly erodes. The only people who can risk going into business nowadays are the megacorporations who can draft up 10 layers thick of legal protections and compliance.

    F*cking parasites. Slip-and-fall negligence bullshit and strict liability for products was socialism weaseling in through the judicial branch. Theft by another name.
     
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    I think generally the comments here are correct but not always. Many times employees push themselves out the door. Many times the business closes down and the employee(s) made more than than the owner. It’s life.


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    Apparently, donating a kidney to your boss doesn't even give you any job security.
     
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    Damn! If this doesn't drive home the point... What Will? This reminds me of the owner of a Hockey Club named the Ottawa Senators.

    After campaigning HARD... the owner received a liver transplant from a Die Hard Fan... yet 2 years later...Threatened to move the Team! Money's unemotional... so we have to learn to be unemotional in its presence as well... without becoming evil though!
     
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    Thank you for pointing out the facts. I was going to look this up and quote it as well, but you saved me the trouble.

    Multiple. Skin. Grafts. Inner thighs. Kind of a tender area. Those are the facts.

    What you don't know is that the little snot nosed punk teenagers that served that coffee had nuked it in a microwave until it was so hot it could PEEL the flesh off your body - and it certainly did.

    I am also SUPER GLAD that McDonalds got their pants sued off for that "funny little incident."

    Yes, some lawsuits are stupid. Like the one from the guy that ran over his own baby with a Sears riding lawnmower and sued Sears for it - and won. I blame that on Sears for not fighting hard or long enough. You never know what went on behind the scenes either - did the jurors get a pay off? Could happen.

    But sometimes companies deserve to get sued to make them bleed. Lead paint on cribs? Sue em! Faulty airbags that don't work and cause deaths (Toyota)? Sue em! Tires (Firestone) that, um - EXPLODE - while you're driving, again causing DEATHS! Sheet rock that causes cancer (from China)? Cars that catch fire while driving (Toyota). Gas tanks that explode on impact (Ford Pinto). Batteries that catch fire (Dell and Samsung). Peanut butter that can kill you (Peanut Corporation of America)? Same with ice cream (Blue Bell - my favorite). Ground beef (multiple times). Doctors that amputate the wrong limb?

    Whatever it takes to save a dollar - or are they just plain stupid?

    ALL of these DEADLY recalls were from trying to save a buck in manufacturing - or pure negligence - or outright fraud. Sue em till they're blue in the face. Put em out of business if they are responsible for causing deaths.
     

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