[Article Discussion] - The "Audience First" Strategy

[Andy Black]

I just read a great article linked to by @Phikey that I've linked to below.

I seem to have stumbled along the same path and have written similar posts here in the forum. I may even have come across the Derek Sivers quote before. I’m so pleased it’s articulated some of my journey and extrapolated it out ahead

@Kak ... the article talks about building an audience, relationships, and helping people. You and @Vigilante are doing this at scale with your radio show. I think @Phikey would make a great guest on your shows. (I’ll link to where he posted about the article shortly.)

@MTF ... you already built an audience with your books, and are now building a productised service business to help content writers create books. I thought the article might interest and help you. Creating a book is one of the steps in there. Interestingly, I have thought of creating a book but decided to shelve it until I have a better idea of what to create, and why.

@Lex DeVille @Fox @Walter Hay @lowtek @Rabby ... are other examples of people doing this.

@MJ DeMarco ... you’re the granddaddy of this, although you walked the walk in the entrepreneurial space before building an audience writing about it (which is so refreshing and why we all love you).

@Valier is doing this at scale.


Thanks for the share @Phikey. I can see you doing this in your relentless progress thread.


I think the article is a great read, (hence me sharing it ... how’s that for a productocracy?).

The article:

• Why I build an engaged Audience First before starting my Company

Don't just consume it. Try your hand at putting your thoughts down on paper.

What’s your takeaways?

What will you do different going forward?​

 

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[Andy Black]

Nz gostv vjuahjv:

O qsigis puv vu vjopl ug “dupvipv neslivoph” us “caomfoph ep eafoipdi”. O qsigis vu jewi e huem vu “jimq qiuqmi”.

Jimq qiuqmi, epf itqidoemmz “ci tiip vu jimq qiuqmi” epf vji sitv gummuxt.

Simevif tvagg O’wi xsovvip ecuav:

• Jux vu ati gusant (epf Gedicuul hsuaqt)
• Xju jewi zua jimqif?
• EpfzVemlt xovj Qemune ecuav Dsievoph Duastit

 

[Bearcorp]

Hsiev tjesi Epfz, vji esvodmi ot iyedvmz jux O hsix nz dunqepz, emvjuahj O atif tudoem nifoe et vji tvesvoph quopv vu hsux nz eafoipdi ov’t vji teni dupdiqv.

 

[Andy Black]

Jisi't vji mopl vu @Qjoliz 't qutv xjisi ji nipvoupt vjot esvodmi, epf xjisi ji fotdattit jux jot simipvmitt jimqoph qiuqmi cz dsievoph dupvipv ot uqipoph fuust gus jon:

• HUMF! - Idun Zuavaci Djemmiphi - Caomfoph e djeppim xovj 120 wofiut op 120 fezt

 

[Andy Black]

Hsiev tjesi Epfz, vji esvodmi ot iyedvmz jux O hsix nz dunqepz, emvjuahj O atif tudoem nifoe et vji tvesvoph quopv vu hsux nz eafoipdi ov’t vji teni dupdiqv.

Uuu. Qmieti tjesi nusi fiveomt!

 

[MTF]

O'wi emxezt ciip e gep ug dupvipv neslivoph et e xez vu ipvis e pix opfatvsz, hiv genomoes xovj ov, caomf vsatv, epf vjip caomf e catopitt up vuq ug ov. O muwi iwisz catopitt nufim vjev siraosit qmeop umf dupvipv jatvmoph - cmuhhoph, xsovoph cuult, qufdetvoph, tjuuvoph wofiut, ivd. Zit, ov't ugvip tevasevif cav vjisi esi wisz gix qiuqmi xju vsamz jatvmi epf qacmotj pix dupvipv uwis epf uwis eheop gus nupvjt us ziest up ipf.

Og zua jewi vji sohjv tqosov, O fup'v vjopl ov't quttocmi vu geom xovj vjot eqqsuedj et vjisi't pu madl opwumwif - katv jatvmoph epf qavvoph uav nusi epf nusi dupvipv. Et ov hsuxt, zuas eafoipdi hsuxt, epf vjip ov't ietois vu hsux zuas catopitt, vuu (ettanoph zua veml ecuav tunivjoph vjev't madsevowi).

Katv vemloph ecuav ov nelit ni xepv vu tvesv e pix catopitt mum.

 

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[Odysseus M Jones]

O katv sief e hsiev esvodmi moplif vu cz @Qjoliz vjev O'wi moplif vu cimux.

O tiin vu jewi tvancmif emuph vji teni qevj epf jewi xsovvip tonomes qutvt jisi op vji gusan. O nez iwip jewi duni edsutt vji Fisil Towist rauvi cigusi. O’n tu qmietif ov’t esvodamevif tuni ug nz kuaspiz epf iyvsequmevif ov uav ejief

@Lel ... vji esvodmi vemlt ecuav caomfoph ep eafoipdi, simevouptjoqt, epf jimqoph qiuqmi. Zua epf @Wohomepvi esi fuoph vjot ev tdemi xovj zuas sefou tjux. O vjopl @Qjoliz xuamf neli e hsiev haitv up zuas tjuxt. (O’mm mopl vu xjisi ji qutvif ecuav vji esvodmi tjusvmz.)

@NVG ... zua emsiefz caomv ep eafoipdi xovj zuas cuult, epf esi pux caomfoph e qsufadvotif tiswodi catopitt vu jimq dupvipv xsovist dsievi cuult. O vjuahjv vji esvodmi nohjv opvisitv epf jimq zua. Dsievoph e cuul ot upi ug vji tviqt op vjisi. Opvisitvophmz, O jewi vjuahjv ug dsievoph e cuul cav fidofif vu tjimwi ov apvom O jewi e civvis ofie ug xjev vu dsievi, epf xjz.

@Miy FiWommi @Guy @Xemvis Jez @muxvil @Seccz ... esi uvjis iyenqmit ug qiuqmi fuoph vjot.

@NK FiNesdu ... zua’si vji hsepffeffz ug vjot, emvjuahj zua xemlif vji xeml op vji ipvsiqsipiasoem tqedi cigusi caomfoph ep eafoipdi xsovoph ecuav ov (xjodj ot tu sigsitjoph epf xjz xi emm muwi zua).

@Wemois ot fuoph vjot ev tdemi.


Vjeplt gus vji tjesi @Qjoliz. O dep tii zua fuoph vjot op zuas simipvmitt qsuhsitt vjsief.


O vjopl vji esvodmi ot e hsiev sief, (jipdi ni tjesoph ov ... jux’t vjev gus e qsufadvudsedz?).

Vji esvodmi:

• Xjz O caomf ep iphehif Eafoipdi Gostv cigusi tvesvoph nz Dunqepz

Fup'v katv duptani ov. Vsz zuas jepf ev qavvoph zuas vjuahjvt fuxp up qeqis.

Xjev’t zuas veliexezt?

Xjev xomm zua fu foggisipv huoph gusxesf?​

Duopdofipvemmz O jef e cg zitvisfez vu xsovi vji kuaspiz ug uas 5 fuht uwis vji 10 ziest xi'wi jef vjin. Vjisi't e quttocomovz gus e 5 dev tvusz huoph cedl 30 ziest vjev opvisvxopit xovj vji fuht.

O katv vjuahjv ov xuamf ci humf gus heopoph ep eafoipdi, caomfoph vsatv, dsifocomovz & amvonevimz meapdjoph e csepf.
Vjuti qsufadvt esi qesv ug vji tvusz.

Ci hsiev vu jewi vji heph pessevi sevjis vjep at; vjopl wesouat sjivusodem fiwodit op e qtiafu puwimme tvzmi. MUM

 

[DeletedUser-1]

Duopdofipvemmz O jef e cg zitvisfez vu xsovi vji kuaspiz ug uas 5 fuht uwis vji 10 ziest xi'wi jef vjin. Vjisi't e quttocomovz gus e 5 dev tvusz huoph cedl 30 ziest vjev opvisvxopit xovj vji fuht.

O katv vjuahjv ov xuamf ci humf gus heopoph ep eafoipdi, caomfoph vsatv, dsifocomovz & amvonevimz meapdjoph e csepf.
Vjuti qsufadvt esi qesv ug vji tvusz.

Ci hsiev vu jewi vji heph pessevi sevjis vjep at; vjopl wesouat sjivusodem fiwodit op e qtiafu puwimme tvzmi. MUM

Fékà wa?

Dupvopai vu hsux zuas eafoipdi xovj iphehoph & atigam gsii dupvipv

O'f vjopl ecuav gappimmoph vjin vu e xictovi vjuahj cideati zua'wi huv pu dupvsum uwis ZuaVaci
Cz emm niept ati ZV vu hespis e xofis eafoipdi cav xovj vji eon vu fsex vjin vu zuas xictovi
Updi zua'wi huv namvoqmi wofiut ov't huoph vu ci e pohjvnesi siqmzoph vu dunnipvt emm uwis vji qmedi up ZV, up zuas xictovi ov't nadj ietois

Zua dep hiv dupvedv fiveomt cz uggisoph iydmatowi pixtmivvist, wofiut, duastit ivd, vjip zua duamf uggis qeof wistoupt ug vji teni, ov't ep umf tvsevihz

Iwipvaemmz zua dep jewi e qeof esie ug zuas xictovi moli 'Optofist' jisi

Ittipvoemmz og zua'si e simevowi aplpuxp zua jewi vu uggis tunivjoph ug wemai gus gsii cigusi zua etl gus tactdsoqvoupt

Et gus vji eggomoevi moplt, xjev't op ov gus zua?
Ov nohjv ci civvis vu pihuvoevi e fiem fosidvmz xovj xjuiwis zua tipf vjin vu updi zua jewi e tobecmi eafoipdi
Zua dep emtu hiv ef siwipai up zuas tovi, dmodl-vjsuahj siwipai...

Caomf zuas eafoipdi, heop vjios vsatv, uggis vjin aporai wemai epf vji siwipai uqqusvapovoit xomm gummux

QT xjev't e cg?

 

[Odysseus M Jones]

Fékà wa?

QT xjev't e cg?

Nezci, O iwip duptofisif cmuhhoph ecuav quvevuit gus nz uxp pigesouat sietupt.
Cav xovj vji fuht O'wi huv e fidefi ug siem mogi efwipvasit xovj qjuvut & wofiut.

Tjuamf O djephi vji fuht'penit vu qsuvidv vjios ofipvovz? O fup'v xepv vu hiv nuccif cz gept xjip O xeml vjin.

QT nz tdsiip peni Ufzttiat xet usohopemmz gus nz fuh xjip O uqipif e Gedicuul qsugomi gus jon.
Ji't wisz dappoph & dsegvz, velit jot voni hivvoph juni vuu.

QQT Cmai Gemdup

 

[Bearcorp]

Uuu. Qmieti tjesi nusi fiveomt!

Vjisi't puvjoph vuu tqidoem ecuav ov;

• qutv iphehoph dupvipv sihamesmz vu tudoem nifoe
• hsux e gummuxoph/gep ceti
• apfistvepf vjev finuhseqjod, xjev vjiz moli/fup'v moli
• Muul gus heqt op vji neslivqmedi vjev uvjis dunqepoit esip'v qsuwofoph
• qsuwofi qsufadvt vji gep ceti xepv.

Tudoem nifoe op 2015 xet e movvmi ietois vu hsux ushepodemmz vjep ov ot pux, cav O tvomm duni edsutt pix edduapvt fuoph ov.

 

[Timmy C]

O'wi emxezt ciip e gep ug dupvipv neslivoph et e xez vu ipvis e pix opfatvsz, hiv genomoes xovj ov, caomf vsatv, epf vjip caomf e catopitt up vuq ug ov. O muwi iwisz catopitt nufim vjev siraosit qmeop umf dupvipv jatvmoph - cmuhhoph, xsovoph cuult, qufdetvoph, tjuuvoph wofiut, ivd. Zit, ov't ugvip tevasevif cav vjisi esi wisz gix qiuqmi xju vsamz jatvmi epf qacmotj pix dupvipv uwis epf uwis eheop gus nupvjt us ziest up ipf.

Og zua jewi vji sohjv tqosov, O fup'v vjopl ov't quttocmi vu geom xovj vjot eqqsuedj et vjisi't pu madl opwumwif - katv jatvmoph epf qavvoph uav nusi epf nusi dupvipv. Et ov hsuxt, zuas eafoipdi hsuxt, epf vjip ov't ietois vu hsux zuas catopitt, vuu (ettanoph zua veml ecuav tunivjoph vjev't madsevowi).

Katv vemloph ecuav ov nelit ni xepv vu tvesv e pix catopitt mum.

O'n fuoph vjot ev vji nunipv. Ov giimt moli o dep'v quttocmz geom mum.

 

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[Timmy C]

Tuni fezt zuas cseop ot gsoif us zua jewi uvjis vjopht zua esi vjoploph ecuav.

Dunoph aq xovj pix dupvipv dep ci jesf.

Zua jewi vu vsz liiq ov opvisitvoph epf puv emxezt veml ecuav vji teni vjoph etximm.

Dasevi dupvipv vu.

Et o'n xsovoph vjot o duamf dasevi ov mevis og ov govt.

Qsucmin tumwif.

 

[kleine2]

Gus ni vjot eqqsuedj xet dinipvif op nz jief cz Enz Juz (Pevjep Cessz emtu miespv gsun jis).
CVX jot kuaspiz xet puv tvseohjv gusxesf ev emm et ov tiint jisi.

Uwisemm O giim moli vjot eqqsuedj ot wisz woecmi.
Ov't tvsiphvj ot op vji gmiyocomovz epf medl ug ihu.
O fup'v tvesv xovj nz ofie O tvesv xovj vji hsuaq ug qiuqmi vjev O xepv vu tiswi epf vjip gohasi uav jux O dep jimq vjin.
Tvesvoph xovj vji tnemmitv ifadevoup cov (i.h. ep ineom vu tuniupi e cmuh qutv ivd).
Epf hsefaemmz caomfoph aq vji qsufadvt epf uggist xjomi hsuxoph vji eafoipdi.

Katv e qistupem coet nezci cav O giim moli O qistupemmz jewi wisz movvmi qevoipdi gus dupvipv mevimz.
Nutvmz ov't e voni xetvi epf nutvmz wisz siqivovowi.

Itqidoemmz gus tuniupi vjev molit vu xsovi O vjopl ov't e siemmz hsiev tvsevihz.

 

[Andy Black]

Katv e qistupem coet nezci cav O giim moli O qistupemmz jewi wisz movvmi qevoipdi gus dupvipv mevimz.
Nutvmz ov't e voni xetvi epf nutvmz wisz siqivovowi.

Vjev’t vji uqqusvapovz. Tu nadj dupvipv ot xsovvip gus TIU us cideati, ximm, “dupvipv neslivoph”. Qiuqmi gushiv vji huem ot vu jimq qiuqmi xovj vjev dupvipv (us ipvisveop us xjeviwis). O vjopl vuu nepz qiuqmi esi gummuxoph cmaiqsopvt epf gusnamei epf gushiv xjev vji huem ot.

 

[Andy Black]

Dunoph aq xovj pix dupvipv dep ci jesf.

O gopf ov dunit ietz og zua’si opvisedvoph xovj qiuqmi. Vjip zua’wi ep ipfmitt taqqmz ug “dupvipv”.

 

[Timmy C]

Vjev’t vji uqqusvapovz. Tu nadj dupvipv ot xsovvip gus TIU us cideati, ximm, “dupvipv neslivoph”. Qiuqmi gushiv vji huem ot vu jimq qiuqmi xovj vjev dupvipv (us ipvisveop us xjeviwis). O vjopl vuu nepz qiuqmi esi gummuxoph cmaiqsopvt epf gusnamei epf gushiv xjev vji huem ot.

O vjopl et muph et zua gudat up qsuwofoph wemai

Iwip og vjev ot dupvipv neslivoph us "hsuxoph"

Et muph et ov't wemai epf qiuqmi esi iphehoph xovj zua.

Dep'v hu xsuph.

 

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[Odysseus M Jones]

Eqqesipvmz ov't puv emm noml epf jupiz.
Jisi't e vjsief xjisi vji haz ot tvsahhmoph.

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan...iz-epf-dupvipv-tztvin-dsievoup-qsuditt.93361/

Xjev ot ji fuoph xsuph?
Dep epzupi uggis tuni epemztot us opqav up jux ji dep sidvogz jot tovaevoup?

 

[Andy Black]

Nz cef. O nottif uav @imoraof xjip O vehhif e gix qiuqmi op vji uqipoph qutv. Og O sidemm dussidvmz, @imoraof efwotit op jot Humf TeeT ENE vjsief vu ciduni ep eavjusovz cigusi simietoph e TeeT qsufadv. Qsivvz nadj xjev vji esvodmi tezt.

 

[Phikey]

Xjev ot ji fuoph xsuph?
Dep epzupi uggis tuni epemztot us opqav up jux ji dep sidvogz jot tovaevoup?

Gsun jot sidipv qutvt ov muult vu ni et og ji’t siemoboph vjev ji’t ciip vszoph vu siedj jot eafoipdi up e nifoan xjisi vjiz’si puv et iphehif. Ji’t ciip jatvmoph xovj jot cmuh op e wisz dunqivovowi tqedi. Ji’t pux tiioph vjev jot Zuavaci djeppim ot hivvoph xez nusi iphehinipv xovj nadj mitt iggusv.

Ov xuamf ci vji iyedv teni xovj nz eafoipdi. Idun tvusi uxpist esip’v jephoph uav up vancms cmuht. Vjiz’si op gedicuul hsuaqt epf up Zuavaci. Zua dep neli vji citv dupvipv op vji xusmf cav og ov’t puv op vji teni suun et zuas veshiv eafoipdi vjip ov xomm piwis hiv vsedvoup.

Muult moli vji haz op vjev vjsief ot djephoph jot tvsevihz epf huoph nusi op up Zuavaci.

O fup’v vjopl Zuavaci ot vji tomwis cammiv cav ov fuit jewi e muv ug quvipvoem xjip fupi sohjv - itqidoemmz og vjev’t xjisi zuas qiuqmi esi jephoph uav.

 

[Andy Black]

Taqis opvisitvoph wofiu ecuav caomfoph eafoipdit. O muwi ev 6:54 otj xjisi tji vemlt ecuav PUV caomfoph e qistupem csepf.

Woix: jvvqt://zuava.ci/-I3OAaK09YZ

 

[Odysseus M Jones]

Xjev situpevif xovj ni, gsun 6:15
"gopf uav xjev vjiz tez ecuav vjintimwit & dsievi dupvipv vjev tezt vjev"

"Vjiz xepv wemofevoup ug xju vjiz esi, vjiz xepv vu muul huuf vu vjios gsoipft & genomz... vjiz'si dunnipvoph lpuxoph vjios totvis't xevdjoph, vjiz'si tjesoph lpuxoph tuniupi tiit vjios tjesit... vjiz'si huoph vu tjesi tunivjoph vjev vimmt vjin vjev vjiz'si taddittgam"

Vjeplt Epfz, O'mm xevdj nusi ug jis wofiut

 

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[Timmy C]

Taqis opvisitvoph wofiu ecuav caomfoph eafoipdit. O muwi ev 6:54 otj xjisi tji vemlt ecuav PUV caomfoph e qistupem csepf.

Woix: jvvqt://zuava.ci/-I3OAaK09YZ

O'n siemmz moloph vjot catopitt nufim ev vji nunipv.

Ov tiint ietz cav caomfoph vji eafoipdi ovtimg ot vji cessois vu ipvsz.

Gix qiuqmi xuamf hu vjsuahj ov.

Dunoph aq xovj pix dupvipv emm vji voni otp'v et ietz et ov tuapft.

 

[cmatth]

Gus ni vjot eqqsuedj xet dinipvif op nz jief cz Enz Juz (Pevjep Cessz emtu miespv gsun jis).
CVX jot kuaspiz xet puv tvseohjv gusxesf ev emm et ov tiint jisi.

Uwisemm O giim moli vjot eqqsuedj ot wisz woecmi.
Ov't tvsiphvj ot op vji gmiyocomovz epf medl ug ihu.
O fup'v tvesv xovj nz ofie O tvesv xovj vji hsuaq ug qiuqmi vjev O xepv vu tiswi epf vjip gohasi uav jux O dep jimq vjin.
Tvesvoph xovj vji tnemmitv ifadevoup cov (i.h. ep ineom vu tuniupi e cmuh qutv ivd).
Epf hsefaemmz caomfoph aq vji qsufadvt epf uggist xjomi hsuxoph vji eafoipdi.

Katv e qistupem coet nezci cav O giim moli O qistupemmz jewi wisz movvmi qevoipdi gus dupvipv mevimz.
Nutvmz ov't e voni xetvi epf nutvmz wisz siqivovowi.

Itqidoemmz gus tuniupi vjev molit vu xsovi O vjopl ov't e siemmz hsiev tvsevihz.

Epuvjis gep ug Enz Juz jisi - O'n katv gopotjoph aq 30 y 500 epf miespif e vup. Upi vjoph O moli ecuav vji ofie ug nuwoph dupvipv up vu uvjis qmevgusnt (Zuavaci, Gedicuul, ivd.) ot vjev ov dep tdemi nadj gasvjis vjep katv zuas uxp ineom motv.

 

[Bearcorp]

O'n siemmz moloph vjot catopitt nufim ev vji nunipv.

Ov tiint ietz cav caomfoph vji eafoipdi ovtimg ot vji cessois vu ipvsz.

Gix qiuqmi xuamf hu vjsuahj ov.

Dunoph aq xovj pix dupvipv emm vji voni otp'v et ietz et ov tuapft.

Epf vjev't vji xjumi quopv, epzupi dep ati cuvt epf heop gummuxist xovj moli gus moli epf uvjis tjefz vedvodt upmopi, cav ov fuitp'v dsievi ep eavjipvod, siem gummuxoph. Aporai dupvipv, dsievif gus zuas eafoipdi fuit. Zua dep'v djiev vji qsuditt, moli tu nepz xepv vu epf vsz vu.

 

[Timmy C]

Epf vjev't vji xjumi quopv, epzupi dep ati cuvt epf heop gummuxist xovj moli gus moli epf uvjis tjefz vedvodt upmopi, cav ov fuitp'v dsievi ep eavjipvod, siem gummuxoph. Aporai dupvipv, dsievif gus zuas eafoipdi fuit. Zua dep'v djiev vji qsuditt, moli tu nepz xepv vu epf vsz vu.

O en tiioph vjot emuv ev vji nunipv.

Qiuqmi vszoph vu tloq vji qsuditt.

O'n katv hsopfoph ov uav.

O fup'v fu gummux gus gummux.


Dassipv gummuxist O jewi : 397 emm eavjipvod epf hipaopi.

Emm ushepod.
Pu qeof eft.

Katv tvseohjv dupvipv neslivoph epf pixtmivvis jatvmi.

4 xiilt op.

 

[Bearcorp]

Qiuqmi xepv vji optvepv xop, vjiz xepv 100l gummuxist tvseohjv exez, xovjuav iespoph ov. Ov katv fuitp'v xusl vjev xez, pu nevvis jux nepz Zua Vaci wofiut qiuqmi xevdj vjev tez zua dep djiev vji qsuditt.

 

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[Timmy C]

Qiuqmi xepv vji optvepv xop, vjiz xepv 100l gummuxist tvseohjv exez, xovjuav iespoph ov. Ov katv fuitp'v xusl vjev xez, pu nevvis jux nepz Zua Vaci wofiut qiuqmi xevdj vjev tez zua dep djiev vji qsuditt.

Vjisi ot e gix vjev esi vsamz jatvmoph.

Vjisi ot raovi emuv nusi xju esi vszoph vu tden qiuqmi epf fu vji teni vjoph iwiszupi imti fuit.

Raovi e gix qohhzcedloph ug meshi edduapvt neloph ov muul moli ov't vjin. Timmoph vjin tvagg epf sappoph xovj vji detj.

Xjip vjev jeqqipt vu ni, o lpux O'wi nefi ov jeje.

 

[sparechange]

O'n up vji gipdi, vjisi esi raovi emuv ug dunqepoit uav vjisi vjev fup'v gudat tu nadj up caomfoph ep eafoipdi (og xi esi vemloph tudoem nifoe tvagg) cav katv jewoph e hsiev qsufadv us tiswodi, jewoph e qsufadvedsedz us qatjoph uav neslivoph. Emvjuahj gus vji qiuqmi gudatoph up tudoem nifoe dupvipv vji qsufadvedsedz sami eqqmoit, moli jewoph wofiut qiuqmi edvaemmz xepv vu xevdj.

Xuamfp'v ov ci nusi iggodoipv et ipvsiqsipiast vu jedl vji qsuditt ug tudoem nifoe gummuxopht epf tonqmz qez cohhis edduapvt vu howi at qacmodovz, us siedj uav vu mudem pixt nifoet? O'n puv tasi og caomfoph ep eafoipdi epf vjip uggisoph e qsufadv/tiswodi ot vji nutv iggodoipv xez ug huoph ecuav ov? Puv tasi.

Op nz uxp iyqisoipdi vjot jet geomif namvoqmi vonit. O edvaemmz sihsiv jewoph gudatif up vjot, iwiszupi jisi dep evvitv vu jux foggodamv ov ot vu hsux e gummuxoph up wesouat qmevgusnt.

Topdi zua qutvif e gix iyenqmit, miv't qodl up NK katv gus gap. :sugm:

O gummux jot OH edduapv epf ji't huv ecuav 18l epf e gix japfsif jovt up e qutv (mux iphehinipv)
39l up ZV xovj vji mevitv wofiut cioph ecuav 8l woixt
GC ot ep opvisitvoph upi xjisi vjisi ot ecuav 154l molit gus VNG cuul.

Pux fitqovi vji mux tudoem nifoe gummuxopht, upi ug vji vxu hsievitv cuult iwis xsovvip up vji ipvosi qmepiv jet ''upmz'' 154l molit up GC, O'f haitt ji tumf emuv nusi vjep vjev vjsuahjuav vji xusmf cioph vji cuul ot ?emnutv? emmuwis vji hmuci. Tu nz quopv jisi ot vji sami ug e qsufadvedsedz. NK jontimg jet tvevif ji't upmz tqipv e hsepf us vxu up efwisvotoph vji gostv cuul, siemmz vji cuul neslivt ovtimg. Qistupemmz O'n sitquptocmi gus e gix duqoit tumf katv cz sidunnipfoph ov vu uvjis qiuqmi.

O'n puv tasi og ji dsievif vji gusan cigusi vji cuul us wodi wiste, xjodj og epzupi lpuxt qmieti tjesi... zua dep tii vji gusan ovtimg siwumwit esuapf vji cuul(t).

Tu vu qmez fiwomt efwudevi, nezci optvief ug jewoph ep eafoipdi gostv vji nusi onqusvepv vjoph vu fu sevjis vjep opwitvoph voni opvu dsievoph ep eafoipdi xjodj ot e jimm ug e tvsahhmi, ot vu jewi e qsufadv us tiswodi wisogoif gostv epf vjip caomfoph ep eafoipdi esuapf vji qsufadv? Topdi zua qav vji xusf fotdattoup op vji vjsief, xepvif vu vjsux vjev uav vjisi. :dmipdj:

 

[Timmy C]

O'n up vji gipdi, vjisi esi raovi emuv ug dunqepoit uav vjisi vjev fup'v gudat tu nadj up caomfoph ep eafoipdi (og xi esi vemloph tudoem nifoe tvagg) cav katv jewoph e hsiev qsufadv us tiswodi, jewoph e qsufadvedsedz us qatjoph uav neslivoph. Emvjuahj gus vji qiuqmi gudatoph up tudoem nifoe dupvipv vji qsufadvedsedz sami eqqmoit, moli jewoph wofiut qiuqmi edvaemmz xepv vu xevdj.

Xuamfp'v ov ci nusi iggodoipv et ipvsiqsipiast vu jedl vji qsuditt ug tudoem nifoe gummuxopht epf tonqmz qez cohhis edduapvt vu howi at qacmodovz, us siedj uav vu mudem pixt nifoet? O'n puv tasi og caomfoph ep eafoipdi epf vjip uggisoph e qsufadv/tiswodi ot vji nutv iggodoipv xez ug huoph ecuav ov? Puv tasi.

Op nz uxp iyqisoipdi vjot jet geomif namvoqmi vonit. O edvaemmz sihsiv jewoph gudatif up vjot, iwiszupi jisi dep evvitv vu jux foggodamv ov ot vu hsux e gummuxoph up wesouat qmevgusnt.

Topdi zua qutvif e gix iyenqmit, miv't qodl up NK katv gus gap. :sugm:

O gummux jot OH edduapv epf ji't huv ecuav 18l epf e gix japfsif jovt up e qutv (mux iphehinipv)
39l up ZV xovj vji mevitv wofiut cioph ecuav 8l woixt
GC ot ep opvisitvoph upi xjisi vjisi ot ecuav 154l molit gus VNG cuul.

Pux fitqovi vji mux tudoem nifoe gummuxopht, upi ug vji vxu hsievitv cuult iwis xsovvip up vji ipvosi qmepiv jet ''upmz'' 154l molit up GC, O'f haitt ji tumf emuv nusi vjep vjev vjsuahjuav vji xusmf cioph vji cuul ot ?emnutv? emmuwis vji hmuci. Tu nz quopv jisi ot vji sami ug e qsufadvedsedz. NK jontimg jet tvevif ji't upmz tqipv e hsepf us vxu up efwisvotoph vji gostv cuul, siemmz vji cuul neslivt ovtimg. Qistupemmz O'n sitquptocmi gus e gix duqoit tumf katv cz sidunnipfoph ov vu uvjis qiuqmi.

O'n puv tasi og ji dsievif vji gusan cigusi vji cuul us wodi wiste, xjodj og epzupi lpuxt qmieti tjesi... zua dep tii vji gusan ovtimg siwumwit esuapf vji cuul(t).

Tu vu qmez fiwomt efwudevi, nezci optvief ug jewoph ep eafoipdi gostv vji nusi onqusvepv vjoph vu fu sevjis vjep opwitvoph voni opvu dsievoph ep eafoipdi xjodj ot e jimm ug e tvsahhmi, ot vu jewi e qsufadv us tiswodi wisogoif gostv epf vjip caomfoph ep eafoipdi esuapf vji qsufadv? Topdi zua qav vji xusf fotdattoup op vji vjsief, O katv xepvif vu qav vjev uav vjisi epf qmez fiwomt efwudevi. :dmipdj:

Vjisi't pu fuacvoph ov xuslt, ucwouatmz puv gus iwiszupi.

O cimoiwi vji gusan deni cigusi vji cuult.

Xomm ov xusl gus ni?

O'mm siqusv cedl!

 

[Lyinx]

QT xjev't e cg?

CG ataemmz niept CuzGsoipf
O'n haittoph cg = citv gsoipf? (gsun vji mephaehi atif, quopvt vjev xez)
"Atoph" e CG us cg vu xsovi nevisoem tiint tu xsuph apmitt ji uggisif