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We're all here to throw stranded starfish back into the ocean. Starfish are welcome.

Don't be a crab in a bucket.
 

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For me, this thread reflects a reference to a long-time member here who recently was removed for being a consistent crab. For me, he was more like a mosquito -- small and insignificant, but a total annoyance because you know he's in the room ready to bite whenever the air is right.

In 7 years of forum activity, his contributions amounted to snark, snipe, skepticism, and besmirchment of people with track records that far exceed their contributions on this board.

Oddly enough, the mods unanimously voted him off the island permanently, while I was overruled and was hoping a temporary removal would suffice.

In reflection, I'm really not sure why he was here other than to provide edge-lord commentary.
 
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This thread isn’t about any specific members, more as something we should ask ourselves every now and then.

Are we a crab in a bucket, or are we helping other starfish?
 
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For those who don’t get the crab in the bucket part... it’s from the study that if a group of crabs are in a bucket trying to escape, then the crabs that get ahead are pulled down by the crabs still in the bucket. Apparently if there’s the smell of food outside the bucket then there’s even a type of crab that will tear to pieces the ones trying to escape.
 

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For those who don’t get the crab in the bucket part... it’s from the study that if a group of crabs are in a bucket trying to escape, then the crabs that get ahead are pulled down by the crabs still in the bucket. Apparently if there’s the smell of food outside the bucket then there’s even a type of crab that will tear to pieces the ones trying to escape.
Do you remember who published this? Didn t know this one. That s interesting!
 

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For me, this thread reflects a reference to a long-time member here who recently was removed for being a consistent crab. For me, he was more like a mosquito -- small and insignificant, but a total annoyance because you know he's in the room ready to bite whenever the air is right.

In 7 years of forum activity, his contributions amounted to snark, snipe, skepticism, and besmirchment of people with track records that far exceed their contributions on this board.

Oddly enough, the mods unanimously voted him off the island permanently, while I was overruled and was hoping a temporary removal would suffice.

In reflection, I'm really not sure why he was here other than to provide edge-lord commentary.
lmaoooo wtf is an "edge-lord", that sounds hilarious.

edit: ok i checked, that's a hilarious term!!! LOL
 

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For those who don’t get the crab in the bucket part... it’s from the study that if a group of crabs are in a bucket trying to escape, then the crabs that get ahead are pulled down by the crabs still in the bucket. Apparently if there’s the smell of food outside the bucket then there’s even a type of crab that will tear to pieces the ones trying to escape.

I believe we see this happen all the time with human nature. I've seen it happen quite many times. I believe it's a crab eat crab world at times in my experience. While I'm a starfish of course, I've just learned to enjoy the ride and allow the crabs to eat one another, while go the other ways and try to shine as much as possible. I believe at a certain point, you just expect to witness this while you can also go find the one's who boost one another up in life out of the bucket and down the traveling road.

I'm listening to some one at the moment online describe what makes a successful entrepreneur. First word "Warrior Spirit" and "Competitive". While the story you've given illustrates one warrior eating the rest of the warriors to get to the top, if you don't have the fighting spirit you'll never get up off the ground.
 

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Here’s the thing about the crabs in the bucket...

The bucket doesn’t exist. Take the red (blue?) pill and you see the bucket isn’t there and you can just walk away while the other crabs all scrabble to climb the ladder out of the bucket...
 

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I used the “crab in a bucket” analogy to some employees at the day job last week, when describing a certain other person. It put them into a very deep state of thinking where they started to identify more crabs lol.
 

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The bucket doesn’t exist. Take the red (blue?) pill and you see the bucket isn’t there and you can just walk away while the other crabs all scrabble to climb the ladder out of the bucket...
Very true.
 

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Here’s the thing about the crabs in the bucket...

The bucket doesn’t exist. Take the red (blue?) pill and you see the bucket isn’t there and you can just walk away while the other crabs all scrabble to climb the ladder out of the bucket...

Interesting way of viewing the bucket. I also believe that many of the crabs can be your closest friends and family.

And they aren't dragging consciously back because they want to harm you directly but more unconsciously they're afraid of what becomes of themselves when you disappear or change.

However, a true friend or good family member will throw you, the starfish, always back to the ocean.
 
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And they aren't dragging consciously back because they want to harm you directly but more unconsciously they're afraid of what becomes of themselves when you disappear or change.
I think many people are genuinely trying to protect you by keeping you in the bucket.

Parents, siblings, and friends are often trying to keep you from harming yourself.
 

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For me, this thread reflects a reference to a long-time member here who recently was removed for being a consistent crab. For me, he was more like a mosquito -- small and insignificant, but a total annoyance because you know he's in the room ready to bite whenever the air is right.

In 7 years of forum activity, his contributions amounted to snark, snipe, skepticism, and besmirchment of people with track records that far exceed their contributions on this board.

Oddly enough, the mods unanimously voted him off the island permanently, while I was overruled and was hoping a temporary removal would suffice.

In reflection, I'm really not sure why he was here other than to provide edge-lord commentary.
I'm curious who it is :rofl:

EDIT: Actually I'm pretty sure I know
 

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I think many people are genuinely trying to protect you by keeping you in the bucket.

Parents, siblings, and friends are often trying to keep you from harming yourself.
I'll remember to give them some new beach toys for the holidays. They need to expand their horizons and visit many beaches to get a different point of view.
 

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I hope it's not K**w who got banned.
I enjoyed reading his banter with MJ everytime.....each time, it even felt like flirting to me. It's like the relationship between Batman and Joker in a way.
You know, the kind of back-and-forth dialogue on TV shows.
 

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I hope it's not K**w who got banned.
I enjoyed reading his banter with MJ everytime.....each time, it even felt like flirting to me. It's like the relationship between Batman and Joker in a way.
You know, the kind of back-and-forth dialogue on TV shows.

More like Mr. Myogi from the Karate kid vs. Jim Carey’s character in Dumb and Dumber.
 

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OMG, I'm such a freaking geek. Having studied the ocean since I was 8, my immediate reaction was - hey wait a minute, starfish are very destructive to the ecosystem - don't through them back. Throw the crabs back, they are an important part of recycling detritus. I can't stop laughing at myself.

Having read the thread, I understand and agree with the message. I'm watching this in real time where I work now and find it very entertaining. We were just acquired by large $$ firm. Having committed to the Fastlane, I know this job is just paying the bills until I'm outta there. But watching the ugliness as others position with the new owners is almost sad.
 

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I think many people are genuinely trying to protect you by keeping you in the bucket.

Parents, siblings, and friends are often trying to keep you from harming yourself.
Outwardly, perhaps. But actually they're trying to protect themselves - their biases, worldviews, etc. - and prevent the cognitive dissonance that arises when someone reaches success or fulfillment by doing something contrary.
 

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I get the crab analogy but why do we want to be the starfish? Not the guy rescuing the starfish?

Interestingly one person came to mind immediately after I read MJ's post.. Not sure if I'm right but doesn't matter I guess, good reminder!

Other than being careful not to BECOME a crab, it's useful to keep in mind of the crabs around you as well.
 
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I get the crab analogy but why do we want to be the starfish? Not the guy rescuing the starfish?

Interestingly one person came to mind immediately after I read MJ's post.. Not sure if I'm right but doesn't matter I guess, good reminder!

Other than being careful not to BECOME a crab, it's useful to keep in mind of the crabs around you as well.
It’s more for forum members who are trying to get out of their situation. Don’t be a crab in a bucket.

It’s also for forum members who help others. Keep helping those starfish.
 

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