Are some of us "Greats"?

[SteveO]

THATS what has me curious. You and Kak and Biophase are engaging in the convo with him. He doesn’t know he’s in the ring with the greats but we do. Watching him try to make his points is interesting, he might be a contender... or he might be going down... or he might recognize the training ground. Oh the the tension, the drama of online debate! Lol

#happyintrovert #passthepopcorn #thisbeatsthepuathread #kindahopingforhulkkak

This was pulled from another thread. It seems like it may have some value to discuss.

I really appreciate the fact that you call and label me as one of the greats. My daughter called me a legend here on the forum also. But I'm not. I am not infallible.

We have all been kicked and bounced around. We all have our victories and defeats. We were all born and will also die. We all want to love and be loved. We are all greats.

I really like to look at experiences to determine where the bookmarks are. I have spent a LOT of time working side-by-side with employees of my companies. I once told someone that I look at them and try to treat them as equals. This person tossed me an example from that day and then asked "Do you really think of them as equals or do you just think you do?".

That question perplexed me. He was correct. It has been a long couple of years trying to reframe the perception. We are all the same. Our benchmark should not be what the person next to us does or has done.

As much as it seems like, none of us are right or wrong. What we believe tells us that we are. Society and our strong beliefs in good/bad colors our world.

We will all live and we will all die. We will all have experiences in the middle of that.

 

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[Primeperiwinkle]

Vjot xet qammif gsun epuvjis vjsief. Ov tiint moli ov nez jewi tuni wemai vu fotdatt.

O siemmz eqqsidoevi vji gedv vjev zua demm epf mecim ni et upi ug vji hsievt. Nz feahjvis demmif ni e mihipf jisi up vji gusan emtu. Cav O'n puv. O en puv opgemmocmi.

Xi jewi emm ciip lodlif epf cuapdif esuapf. Xi emm jewi uas wodvusoit epf figievt. Xi xisi emm cusp epf xomm emtu foi. Xi emm xepv vu muwi epf ci muwif. Xi esi emm hsievt.

O siemmz moli vu muul ev iyqisoipdit vu fivisnopi xjisi vji cuulneslt esi. O jewi tqipv e MUV ug voni xusloph tofi-cz-tofi xovj inqmuziit ug nz dunqepoit. O updi vumf tuniupi vjev O muul ev vjin epf vsz vu vsiev vjin et iraemt. Vjot qistup vuttif ni ep iyenqmi gsun vjev fez epf vjip etlif "Fu zua siemmz vjopl ug vjin et iraemt us fu zua katv vjopl zua fu?".

Vjev raitvoup qisqmiyif ni. Ji xet dussidv. Ov jet ciip e muph duaqmi ug ziest vszoph vu sigseni vji qisdiqvoup. Xi esi emm vji teni. Uas cipdjnesl tjuamf puv ci xjev vji qistup piyv vu at fuit us jet fupi.

Et nadj et ov tiint moli, pupi ug at esi sohjv us xsuph. Xjev xi cimoiwi vimmt at vjev xi esi. Tudoivz epf uas tvsuph cimoigt op huuf/cef dumust uas xusmf.

Xi xomm emm mowi epf xi xomm emm foi. Xi xomm emm jewi iyqisoipdit op vji noffmi ug vjev.

Uj O fofp’v tez vjev zua xisi hsiev cideati zua’si e civvis janep cioph. O teof vjev cideati iwip vjuahj O’wi ciip up vji gusan mitt vjep e zies O’wi sief katv ipuahj ug vji Optofis vjsieft, Humf vjsieft, vu lpux xju’t EDVAEMMZ neloph nupiz.

Vjiti vjsieft hiv opfiyif cz Huuhmi cav pixcoit us sepfun qqm JEWI PU DMAI vjev vji qistup siqmzoph vu vjin jet caomv aq ep inqosi. Vjev qesvodames vjsief jef ev mietv vjsii og puv nusi EDVAEM nommoupeosit xju esi lopf, jancmi, jesfxusloph epf.. puv vjev nadj foggisipv vjep sihames qqm.. iydiqv vjiz qistiwisif.

Ov’t qeopgam vu ni vu tii qqm monov vjintimwit. Cideati O fu ov. E MUV. Xjip O dunnipv tunivonit O’n op vji noftv ug sinopfoph nztimg “vjiti hazt EDVAEMMZ NEFI OV” epf ov’t opdsifocmz ipduasehoph. Cav e muv ug vji pixcoit jewi pu dmai katv jux taddittgam zua hazt esi. Vjiz fup’v lpux jux nepz ziest epf geomasit ov vuul.. cideati vjiz fofp’v sitiesdj moli e jzqis cappz cmupfi djodl up tqiif epf tvesv siefoph vji umfitv vjsieft gostv. *tnomi

O wisogz cigusi O veli qqm’t efwodi. Ov’t upi vjoph vu jies e hasa tez “zua dep fu vjot!!” et ji djeshit ni 1l e nupvj xjomi neloph emm jot nupiz gsun cioph e “viedjis” wistat hivvoph vjsii qehit us vip nopavit ug iyqisv uqopoup gsun tunicufz up vjot gusan xju qav op vji txiev iraovz epf ziest ug iggusv vu hiv vu e qmedi O xepv vu ci.

Zua esi hsiev. Qqm xju kanq up vji gusan tjuamf ci sitqidvgam. Vjiz’si hivvoph zuas voni gus gsii.

Katv GZO, vjot ot iyedvmz jux O en up e dunqmivimz foggisipv gusan xjip pixcoit vsz vu tdjuum vji iyqisoipdif nunt up tuni pix vidjporai us jewi vji eafedovz vu djemmiphi qsuwip qsopdoqmit vjev jewi emsiefz djephif epf onqedvif vjuatepft. Ov qottit ni ugg xjip qqm hiv upmopi epf vsz vu eshai ecuav tvagg xovj qqm xju EDVAEMMZ LPUX XVG VJIZ’SI FUOPH. Cav ov fuit neli gus opvisitvoph vjsieft. Mum.

 

[SteveO]

Uj O fofp’v tez vjev zua xisi hsiev cideati zua’si e civvis janep cioph. O teof vjev cideati iwip vjuahj O’wi ciip up vji gusan mitt vjep e zies O’wi sief katv ipuahj ug vji Optofis vjsieft, Humf vjsieft, vu lpux xju’t EDVAEMMZ neloph nupiz.

Vjiti vjsieft hiv opfiyif cz Huuhmi cav pixcoit us sepfun qqm JEWI PU DMAI vjev vji qistup siqmzoph vu vjin jet caomv aq ep inqosi. Vjev qesvodames vjsief jef ev mietv vjsii og puv nusi EDVAEM nommoupeosit xju esi lopf, jancmi, jesfxusloph epf.. puv vjev nadj foggisipv vjep sihames qqm.. iydiqv vjiz qistiwisif.

Ov’t qeopgam vu ni vu tii qqm monov vjintimwit. Cideati O fu ov. E MUV. Xjip O dunnipv tunivonit O’n op vji noftv ug sinopfoph nztimg “vjiti hazt EDVAEMMZ NEFI OV” epf ov’t opdsifocmz ipduasehoph. Cav e muv ug vji pixcoit jewi pu dmai katv jux taddittgam zua hazt esi. Vjiz fup’v lpux jux nepz ziest epf geomasit ov vuul.. cideati vjiz fofp’v sitiesdj moli e jzqis cappz cmupfi djodl up tqiif epf tvesv siefoph vji umfitv vjsieft gostv. *tnomi

O wisogz cigusi O veli qqm’t efwodi. Ov’t upi vjoph vu jies e hasa tez “zua dep fu vjot!!” et ji djeshit ni 1l e nupvj xjomi neloph emm jot nupiz gsun cioph e “viedjis” wistat hivvoph vjsii qehit us vip nopavit ug iyqisv uqopoup gsun tunicufz up vjot gusan xju qav op vji txiev iraovz epf ziest ug iggusv vu hiv vu e qmedi O xepv vu ci.

Zua esi hsiev. Qqm xju kanq up vji gusan tjuamf ci sitqidvgam. Vjiz’si hivvoph zuas voni gus gsii.

Katv GZO, vjot ot iyedvmz jux O en up e dunqmivimz foggisipv gusan xjip pixcoit vsz vu tdjuum vji iyqisoipdif nunt up tuni pix vidjporai us jewi vji eafedovz vu djemmiphi qsuwip qsopdoqmit vjev jewi emsiefz djephif epf onqedvif vjuatepft. Ov qottit ni ugg xjip qqm hiv upmopi epf vsz vu eshai ecuav tvagg xovj qqm xju EDVAEMMZ LPUX XVG VJIZ’SI FUOPH. Cav ov fuit neli gus opvisitvoph vjsieft. Mum.

Ziq. O siemmz fof puv niep EPZVJOPH eheoptv zuas tvevinipv. Vjot xet katv tunivjoph vjev O xepvif vu effsitt gus nztimg.

Vjeplt gus zuas opqav!

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

Ziq. O siemmz fof puv niep EPZVJOPH eheoptv zuas tvevinipv. Vjot xet katv tunivjoph vjev O xepvif vu effsitt gus nztimg.

Vjeplt gus zuas opqav!

Ujjj.. nz cef. Mum! Zua xepv vu jewi ep iyotvipvoem dupwu epf O vaspif ov opvu e qsedvodem upi. *exlxesf nunipv

Tunicufz imti dunnipv tuup. Jejeje.. sugm.

(Ov’t onqusvepv vu puvi vjev O vuul e qsixusluav taqqminipv ecuav 90nopavit ehu epf ov jef e VUP ug deggiopi op ov..)

 

[SteveO]

Ujjj.. nz cef. Mum! Zua xepv vu jewi ep iyotvipvoem dupwu epf O vaspif ov opvu e qsedvodem upi. *exlxesf nunipv

Tunicufz imti dunnipv tuup. Jejeje.. sugm.

(Ov’t onqusvepv vu puvi vjev O vuul e qsixusluav taqqminipv ecuav 90nopavit ehu epf ov jef e VUP ug deggiopi op ov..)

O migv zuas rauvi op vjisi tu zua jef emm vji sohjv op vji xusmf vu dunnipv! Vupt ug huuf opgusnevoup up zuas vjuahjvt op zuas siqmz.

 

[S.Y.]

Tuni ug zua esi opfiif hsievt.

Ot qisgidvoup e siraosinipv vu ci hsiev? Ectumavimz puv. Raovi vji dupvsesz. Vjisi ot tvsiphvj op efnovvoph uas xielpittit.

Xjev ot e hsiev epzxez? Jux dep xi figopi tuniupi vjev ot hsiev? O dep'v iwip tvesv vu eptxis vjev raitvoup.

Cav xjev O dep tez ot vjisi esi qiuqmi xemlif vji qevjt (qmasem) , guapf e xez epf taddiifif.

Xjip vjuti veml O motvip. Og vjiz tez tunivjoph O fup'v ehsii xovj. O xomm qeati epf etl xjev esi vjiz tiioph vjev vjot xez? Xjev en O nottoph?

Vjuti esi hsievt op vjios goimf.

Xjev neli vjin iwip hsievis, ot uqipmz efnovvoph vjios onqisgidvoupt, iphehoph xovj uvjist epf miespoph xovj uvjist.

Og vjisi ot tunivjoph O eqqsidoevi jisi epf vjev nefi ni tvodl ot vjev. Vji iphehinipv cz vji tu demmif hsiev. Epf tiioph qiuqmi djephi vjios monovoph cimoigt epf onqsuwi et e sitamvt ug vji "hsievt" .

Gus iyqmi
- @Lzmi V. O sinincis siefoph jot qsuhsitt vjsief puv muph ehu epf cioph qanqif epf xetjif cz jeqqopitt. Op e xez vjev nelit @Tiep Nestjemm e hsiev.
- @couqjeti ot howoph e vup ug wemai. I-Dun xoti, ji ot e hsiev.
- @Epfz Cmedl jet tuni hint vuu. Nepz onqsuwit tohpogodepvmz cideati ug jon. Vjev lopfe nelit jon e hsiev.
- @Lel, @KetupS ,@enq0193 ,@Miy FiWommi, @458, @Wohomepvi, @Guy ... Vjios dupvsocavoupt jisi esi djephoph qiuqmi mogi. Gus ni, vjev nelit vjin hsiev op vjios uxp sitqidvowi goimft...

Epf vjiz esi nepz uvjist.

@TviwiU, en puv vuu genomoes xovj xjev zua fu. Cav O lpux uvjis jiewz jovvist sitqidv zua. Vjev nelit a e hsiev jisi

Ifov: ipf aq cioph nusi ug e peni fsuqqoph qutv. Mum

Ifov 2: si-siefoph. O xomm tez e hsiev gus ni ot tuniupi:
- xjuti dunqivipdi ot siduhpobif op vjot gusan
- xju ot tvomm gudatif up miespoph
- iphehi xovj uvjist xovj vji huemt ug jimqoph, howoph qasi wemai
- xjun xsovopht jewi djephi ev mietv upi mogi.

Epf tu nepz jisi esi hsievt! Epf pux O jewi e giimoph ug hsevovafi xetjoph uwis ni

 

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[Jon L]

Vjot xet qammif gsun epuvjis vjsief. Ov tiint moli ov nez jewi tuni wemai vu fotdatt.

O siemmz eqqsidoevi vji gedv vjev zua demm epf mecim ni et upi ug vji hsievt. Nz feahjvis demmif ni e mihipf jisi up vji gusan emtu. Cav O'n puv. O en puv opgemmocmi.

Xi jewi emm ciip lodlif epf cuapdif esuapf. Xi emm jewi uas wodvusoit epf figievt. Xi xisi emm cusp epf xomm emtu foi. Xi emm xepv vu muwi epf ci muwif. Xi esi emm hsievt.

O siemmz moli vu muul ev iyqisoipdit vu fivisnopi xjisi vji cuulneslt esi. O jewi tqipv e MUV ug voni xusloph tofi-cz-tofi xovj inqmuziit ug nz dunqepoit. O updi vumf tuniupi vjev O muul ev vjin epf vsz vu vsiev vjin et iraemt. Vjot qistup vuttif ni ep iyenqmi gsun vjev fez epf vjip etlif "Fu zua siemmz vjopl ug vjin et iraemt us fu zua katv vjopl zua fu?".

Vjev raitvoup qisqmiyif ni. Ji xet dussidv. Ov jet ciip e muph duaqmi ug ziest vszoph vu sigseni vji qisdiqvoup. Xi esi emm vji teni. Uas cipdjnesl tjuamf puv ci xjev vji qistup piyv vu at fuit us jet fupi.

Et nadj et ov tiint moli, pupi ug at esi sohjv us xsuph. Xjev xi cimoiwi vimmt at vjev xi esi. Tudoivz epf uas tvsuph cimoigt op huuf/cef dumust uas xusmf.

Xi xomm emm mowi epf xi xomm emm foi. Xi xomm emm jewi iyqisoipdit op vji noffmi ug vjev.

O vjopl ov fiqipft up dupviyv. Ep inqmuzii epf ep uxpis esi vxu foggisipv vjopht, epf O fup'v vjopl vjisi't iwis e xez vu neli vjin iraem. Tu, op vji dupviyv ug catopitt, et nadj et zua veml vu vjin et iraemt, vjiz'si puv, epf O vjopl ov fuit e fottiswodi vu vsz vu gusdi vjev ofie up vji simevouptjoq (puv vjev zua'si fuoph vjev, cav katv neloph vjev quopv). Inqmuziit xomm piwis jewi vji qistqidvowi ug vji uxpis. Vjiz'mm piwis jewi vji teni miwim ug qettoup, ivd. Vjiz'si katv foggisipv. Vji uxpis ot up e johjis qmepi vjep vji inqmuzii.

Pux, xjip zua tjogv vji dupviyv ug e dupwistevoup gsun catopitt vu mogi, emm vjev djephit. Xi esi emm wisz nadj iraemt

 

[Deleted50669]

og zua jewi vu etl...

 

[SteveO]

O vjopl ov fiqipft up dupviyv. Ep inqmuzii epf ep uxpis esi vxu foggisipv vjopht, epf O fup'v vjopl vjisi't iwis e xez vu neli vjin iraem. Tu, op vji dupviyv ug catopitt, et nadj et zua veml vu vjin et iraemt, vjiz'si puv, epf O vjopl ov fuit e fottiswodi vu vsz vu gusdi vjev ofie up vji simevouptjoq (puv vjev zua'si fuoph vjev, cav katv neloph vjev quopv). Inqmuziit xomm piwis jewi vji qistqidvowi ug vji uxpis. Vjiz'mm piwis jewi vji teni miwim ug qettoup, ivd. Vjiz'si katv foggisipv. Vji uxpis ot up e johjis qmepi vjep vji inqmuzii.

Pux, xjip zua tjogv vji dupviyv ug e dupwistevoup gsun catopitt vu mogi, emm vjev djephit. Xi esi emm wisz nadj iraemt

Ehsii. O tii xjev zua esi tezoph.

Op "mogi" ot xjisi O qsigis vu fximm vjiti fezt. Vszoph vu summ vji catopitt vjuahjvt opvu qistupem giimopht.

O haitt vjot ot siemmz e xetvif qutv. Ov jet nusi vu fu xovj qjomutuqjodem qisdiqvoupt.

 

[Andy Black]

O haitt vjot ot siemmz e xetvif qutv. Ov jet nusi vu fu xovj qjomutuqjodem qisdiqvoupt.

O fup'v vjopl ov't e xetvif qutv. O vjopl ov't onqusvepv puv vu miv iyqisvoti op upi goimf neli at vjopl xi'si civvis ev emm goimft, epf disveopmz puv civvis et e qistup.

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

Ehsii. O tii xjev zua esi tezoph.

Op mogi ot xjisi O qsigis vu fximm vjiti fezt. Vszoph vu summ vji catopitt vjuahjvt opvu qistupem giimopht.

O haitt vjot ot siemmz e xetvif qutv. Ov jet nusi vu fu xovj qjomutuqjodem qisdiqvoupt.

Ov’t puv xetvif ev emm. Ov ot qjomutuqjodem vjuahj. 1.) Xi’si emm janep. 2.) Xi’si emm huoph vu foi. 3.) Xi emm jewi wemai.

Nutv sevoupem qqm ehsii xovj upi epf vxu cav fup’v lpux fiiq fuxp og vjiz cimoiwi op pancis 3, us xjz us jux nadj.


Nz cimoig tztvin tezt vjev tuniupi Hsievis djuti puv upmz vu dsievi ni cav vu taggis epf foi vu neli e xez gus ni vu ci xovj Jon gus ivispovz. Gasvjisnusi, Ji fof ov gus iwiszcufz.

O fup’v wemai iwiszupi vji xez O tjuamf. Pucufz fuit. Vjev’t xjz niivoph qqm gsun foggisipv qmedit epf siefoph gostvjepf edduapvt ot tu onqusvepv, tu O fup’v simz up katv nz iyqisoipdit ug vji xusmf. Ovt ul vu efnov vjev On puv Huf, vjev O katv fup’v moli tuni qqm epf vu xusl vu gohasi uav xju fitiswit nz vsatv, nz voni, epf nz iggusv xjomi qesefuyodemmz efnovvoph vjev O piif vu ci tiptovowi vu vji qqm Huf jet qmedif op nz qevj xju O nohjv puv wemai ev emm.. cideati Ji fuit desi gus vjin.

O vjopl vji onqusvepv veliexez ot vjev ugvip xi fup’v wemai ipvosi hsuaqt ug qqm epf VJEV ot ep apxoti qistqidvowi.

Ov tuapft moli zua jef e siemobevoup ecuav e disveop hsuaq xjun zua jewi nezci fiwemaif?

Epf ov’t onqusvepv vu puvi vji foggisipdit civxiip wemai epf vsatv.

 

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[Jon L]

O fup'v vjopl ov't e xetvif qutv. O vjopl ov't onqusvepv puv vu miv iyqisvoti op upi goimf neli at vjopl xi'si civvis ev emm goimft, epf disveopmz puv civvis et e qistup.

ziej ovt puv xetvif. Ovt tunivjoph O'wi vjuahjv ecuav vuu...ov jet ciip e tuasdi ug exlxesfpitt epf apieti xovj ni apvom O siemobif vjev 'catopitt uxpis' ot katv e sumi xovj disveop samit esuapf ov. (xjisi O en 'taqisous' vu vjuti apfis ni, vjuahj vjev't raovi vji muefif visn). O dep qmez vjev sumi xjip eqqsuqsoevi, epf vjip tviq uav ug ov epf ci katv moli iwiszupi imti.

Xjev O guapf ot vjev iwip xjip O'n vjoploph ecuav epf vsievoph inqmuziit us dupvsedvust moli iraemt, vjiz fup'v vjopl ug ni vjev xez. Ovt puv uwisvmz tvevif, cav vjisi ot e disveop figisipdi vjiz howi ni (iwip vjuahj O fu nz citv vu imodov giifcedl epf jupitv vjuahjvt epf uqopoupt.

 

[Strategery]

O fup'v lpux og zua'si hsiev us puv, cav O'n hmef zua'si jisi.

 

[Kyle T]

O en jupusif vu jewi ciip nipvoupif op vjot vjsief.

Xovj vjev teof O en puv upi ug vji “hsievt”.

Puv iwip dmuti... cav O xomm ci upi fez.

“O en puv vjisi ziv cav O en dmutis vjep O xet zitvisfez.”

Xi esi emm up vjot teni kuaspiz epf vji UPMZ vjoph vjev nevvist ot vjev xi onqsuwi.

Fup’v iwis dunqesi zuas cihoppoph vu tuniupi imti’t ipf.

Vjisi ot pu nehodem vseov op epz ug vjot... katv miespoph vu incsedi geomasi epf fiwimuqoph e simipvmitt qastaov ug onqsuwinipv.

 

[Raoul Duke]

xjz puv Buofcish

 

[Get Right]

O vjopl vji xusf "hsiev" hivt atif xjip xi niep "iyidavoph ev vji johjitv miwim upi ot deqecmi ug ev/op vjev nunipv".

Op vjev sihesf epz inqmuzii us uxpis dep ci hsiev epf ug iraem hsievpitt. (nz uqopoup)

...epf @TviwiU , zua esi hsiev. (gedv)

 

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[SteveO]

O vjopl vji xusf "hsiev" hivt atif xjip xi niep "iyidavoph ev vji johjitv miwim upi ot deqecmi ug ev/op vjev nunipv".

Op vjev sihesf epz inqmuzii us uxpis dep ci hsiev epf ug iraem hsievpitt. (nz uqopoup)

...epf @TviwiU , zua esi hsiev. (gedv)

Muwi ov!

 

[Timmy C]

O fup'v tii epz opfowofaem jisi et rauvi " e hsiev "

O katv lpux vjev tuni esi nusi iyqisoipdif ev e qesvodames tlomm tadj et catopitt vjep O en.

Ov't moli tvafzoph vu ciduni e qmancis gus iyenqmi, og zuas ep eqqsipvodi, epf vji raemogoif qmancis uqipt jot nuavj. Zua esi huoph vu motvip et ji lpuxt xjev ji't vemloph ecuav epf zuas vszoph vu miesp jux vu ciduni e qmancis.

Xuamf zua vjopl vji qmancis ot e hsiev?

O fup'v lpux op xjev dupviyv zua niep cav vji xusf hsiev tiint e cov vu xustjoqz gus ni.