Hard to Make Decision To Dropout..

[Van Halen]

Lets not just completely piss away those 2 years. Computer science, you learn to code right? Python? You can build a web app with Flask. Web app = Saas right? Surely you can think of a Saas thats needed somewhere in the marketplace. Make one. And sell it.

 

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[Sean Kaye]

Ok, here's the thing... Stop looking for us to give you a free pass on dropping out.

You seem to want someone here to say, "Hey man, it's ok to quit because you don't like it and it's hard. Two years is a long time man, think of all the inroads you could be making in your mission during that time."

Sorry, that's just bullshit.

Someone else already said it, if you're so "into" sales and marketing, why aren't you building your business empire out on the side right now and in every spare second you're not in school or studying, you could be doing sales and marketing for your business.

But you're not.

Do you think that maybe the reason you love thinking about "sales and marketing" is because you don't actually have to do it? It's an escape for you right now and you have no actual skin in the game. You like the idea of it right now, not the actual practical application.

Sack up, finish school and build a business in your spare time. Then when you're done your degree, re-evaluate.

 

[7.62x51]

Just found out this guys, what do you think ?

What Type of Intelligence Do You Have?

I've read it all and I feel to have the "intent " or sales mindset.

Like they say in the article this:

"Now you see why it is so important to find out where your “intelligence” is the highest. You can quickly steer your life into a specific career or business model. If you know at age 20 that your skills are in sales and synthesis… Don’t bother with becoming an engineer or working at a numerics heavy hedge fund. You’ll get paved"

Do you agree with that?

So having a sales mindset and studying computer science (high math) it's not good for my future ? They basically saying to get into a career only if you are sure of your intelligence/personality.

I've worked in sales, saw some of the best salespeople and then went back to school for CS, saw some of the best math students.

At first I'd always think, "what's their secret?" Overtime I'd learn that there was no secret, those people who rose to the top of their game were more dedicated and driven than anyone else.

The top salesperson? He had been working in that store since the day it opened, he also had a family and a big network of personal friends who all knew him as the go to guy. Personally I was somewhat embarrassed to be working in retail but that guy lived it, he embraced it, and that's why he was the best at it.

The top math student? He's done all the questions in the book, he's at the office hours, and if you ever see him outside the classroom, he'll probably be studying. Never misses a lecture. Extremely dedicated.

The average person? Half of their mental space is distracted; TV, News, Video games, Forums, Social media. The average person does not understand what true dedication is. They see the top salesperson or the top math student and craft narratives to explain why they can't be like them.

People over estimate raw intelligence and under estimate hard work.

 

[Envision]

Definitely finish.

Way easier to build a business making 80k/year than 15/hr.

Live without luxuries and reinvest into your idea.

 

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[MitchM]

Ask yourself this:

If I drop out, will I spend my time more effectively?

You need to SERIOUSLY think about this because if you will not take initiative, wake up on time, and do work that doesn't have any immediate results for you then you need to stay in college. Being successful without a degree is all about being a person who takes initiative and having the confidence to invest time into your pursuits.

Also, you don't have to necessarily "Drop Out." You can take a semester off and see what you're made of.

I decided to take a semester off on the contingency that every day I take goal oriented action. Once you can feel yourself progressing towards a desired outcome you will know whether or not you should go back to college. For me, the option is still on the table simply for educations sake - nothing to do with earning a living.


Another important question: Have you tried to start a business yet? You can be using your extra time outside of class to do that. If you haven't even bothered trying yet then you definitely need to stay in school or realize that you are going to have to make a huge shift as a person. You have to be willing to wake up early every day and work. You have to be willing to take action and fail.

You can make a business while you are in college. You can make one outside of college. If a semester off won't hurt you too much my advice would be to take a break under a certain set of contingencies. If you fail these contingencies then you must go back to college the next semester.

The Contingencies

These contingencies aren't outcome oriented but action oriented. Make a goal that you must start at least one business before the next semester of classes begins enrollment. You also need day by day contingencies that insure goal-oriented action is being taken.

"I will wake up at 6 am every day and work at least 8 hours on my business."
Make the contingency that if you don't average doing this successfully at least 6/7 days a week you will go back to college.

If your parents are paying for you to go then you can share this contingency with them almost like a contract. This will show them how serious you are and it will solidify the commitment in your mind.


This is just a rough idea but it is what I have done with myself. The important thing here is that as you take action and interact with the world you will begin to have a vision and understanding sculpted within your mind that should answer the question for you. The reason you have to ask this question to a group of strangers to begin with is because you have very little experience.

That is the benefit of taking the semester off - you get the experience needed to answer your own big-boy-life-questions.

 

[uupro]

Your parents are the ones that don't have the same mind set as you and it's natural that you don't want to disappoint them. It's sad that the ones we love the most are often the ones that are stopping us from our dreams. Make a decision and do it, not to prove them wrong but to do what you want to do and be happy with it. They'll see that and learn to respect your decision. Plus if when you're successful you can buy them a new house.

 

[alan3wilson]

Lets not just completely piss away those 2 years. Computer science, you learn to code right? Python? You can build a web app with Flask. Web app = Saas right? Surely you can think of a Saas thats needed somewhere in the marketplace. Make one. And sell it.

Thanks. Yeah I can learn advaced coding. I've found some good books about C also . A programmer told me to learn C then go advanced languages.
I'm also learning SEO, so I could offer web development and SEO service to clients.

 

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[alan3wilson]

Ok, here's the thing... Stop looking for us to give you a free pass on dropping out.

You seem to want someone here to say, "Hey man, it's ok to quit because you don't like it and it's hard. Two years is a long time man, think of all the inroads you could be making in your mission during that time."

Sorry, that's just bullshit.

Someone else already said it, if you're so "into" sales and marketing, why aren't you building your business empire out on the side right now and in every spare second you're not in school or studying, you could be doing sales and marketing for your business.

But you're not.

Do you think that maybe the reason you love thinking about "sales and marketing" is because you don't actually have to do it? It's an escape for you right now and you have no actual skin in the game. You like the idea of it right now, not the actual practical application.

Sack up, finish school and build a business in your spare time. Then when you're done your degree, re-evaluate.

Great reply. Yeah I see some months ago I was in action faking I know.

Ok to finish the degree but to get starters jobs (I need funds for my business first), wouldn't be the employers look that I took too much time to finish the degree (like 6 years instead of 3), would be ?

 

[alan3wilson]

I've worked in sales, saw some of the best salespeople and then went back to school for CS, saw some of the best math students.

At first I'd always think, "what's their secret?" Overtime I'd learn that there was no secret, those people who rose to the top of their game were more dedicated and driven than anyone else.

The top salesperson? He had been working in that store since the day it opened, he also had a family and a big network of personal friends who all knew him as the go to guy. Personally I was somewhat embarrassed to be working in retail but that guy lived it, he embraced it, and that's why he was the best at it.

The top math student? He's done all the questions in the book, he's at the office hours, and if you ever see him outside the classroom, he'll probably be studying. Never misses a lecture. Extremely dedicated.

The average person? Half of their mental space is distracted; TV, News, Video games, Forums, Social media. The average person does not understand what true dedication is. They see the top salesperson or the top math student and craft narratives to explain why they can't be like them.

People over estimate raw intelligence and under estimate hard work.

Agree on this man. Hard work is best. But the article I've linked I think it has some truth into.
I mean, there are some guys who were really "bornt" gifted to do math faster than other people.
For a normal guy I know it's not impossible to study hard math and it will take longer time.

I just want to improve my growth mindset but really I see my main intelligence is not heavy math/programming.

 

[alan3wilson]

Definitely finish.

Way easier to build a business making 80k/year than 15/hr.

Live without luxuries and reinvest into your idea.

Yeah I know starting with a good job I can save up money for business. I'm from Europe not America anyway so salaries are lower.

 

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[alan3wilson]

Ask yourself this:

If I drop out, will I spend my time more effectively?

You need to SERIOUSLY think about this because if you will not take initiative, wake up on time, and do work that doesn't have any immediate results for you then you need to stay in college. Being successful without a degree is all about being a person who takes initiative and having the confidence to invest time into your pursuits.

Also, you don't have to necessarily "Drop Out." You can take a semester off and see what you're made of.

I decided to take a semester off on the contingency that every day I take goal oriented action. Once you can feel yourself progressing towards a desired outcome you will know whether or not you should go back to college. For me, the option is still on the table simply for educations sake - nothing to do with earning a living.


Another important question: Have you tried to start a business yet? You can be using your extra time outside of class to do that. If you haven't even bothered trying yet then you definitely need to stay in school or realize that you are going to have to make a huge shift as a person. You have to be willing to wake up early every day and work. You have to be willing to take action and fail.

You can make a business while you are in college. You can make one outside of college. If a semester off won't hurt you too much my advice would be to take a break under a certain set of contingencies. If you fail these contingencies then you must go back to college the next semester.

The Contingencies

These contingencies aren't outcome oriented but action oriented. Make a goal that you must start at least one business before the next semester of classes begins enrollment. You also need day by day contingencies that insure goal-oriented action is being taken.

"I will wake up at 6 am every day and work at least 8 hours on my business."
Make the contingency that if you don't average doing this successfully at least 6/7 days a week you will go back to college.

If your parents are paying for you to go then you can share this contingency with them almost like a contract. This will show them how serious you are and it will solidify the commitment in your mind.


This is just a rough idea but it is what I have done with myself. The important thing here is that as you take action and interact with the world you will begin to have a vision and understanding sculpted within your mind that should answer the question for you. The reason you have to ask this question to a group of strangers to begin with is because you have very little experience.

That is the benefit of taking the semester off - you get the experience needed to answer your own big-boy-life-questions.

Thanks, helpful advice. Just asking what did you study in college ? Did you take more time to finish ?

 

[MitchM]

Thanks, helpful advice. Just asking what did you study in college ? Did you take more time to finish ?

I was there for a year and a half so I never really majored. During that time I had a lot of other things going on in my life and college wasn't really a priority so I was taking like 12 credits a semester.

I guess I didn't have quite as much skin in the game as you but personally I don't believe you should view it as wasted time if you can move on to something better but at the same time you need to be objective and honest with yourself because it's a big decision that nobody can make but you.

At the end of the day if you decide to take a semester off on the premise that you are going to take massive action - you'll learn a lot no matter what and you can slide right back into school if you want.

 

[Iammelissamoore]

I don't quite much want to "tell" you what to do; however, and anyone can correct me if I am wrong here, creating software programmes/projects/products/services are a valuable option for building fastlane businesses due to the opportunity of replication (Scale) - the other elements of Control/Entry/Need/Time are all applied dependent on the product to be created BASED ON the Added Value(s) and Solution(s) beneficial to your prospective Customers.

Some of the best programmes/projects/products/services created that brought/bring solutions to people's lives are software programmes/engineering.

 

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[Sean Kaye]

Great reply. Yeah I see some months ago I was in action faking I know.

Ok to finish the degree but to get starters jobs (I need funds for my business first), wouldn't be the employers look that I took too much time to finish the degree (like 6 years instead of 3), would be ?

Why don't you create your business with sweat equity on the side? What specifically requires money?

Do you even know what you want to do right now?

 

[alan3wilson]

I was there for a year and a half so I never really majored. During that time I had a lot of other things going on in my life and college wasn't really a priority so I was taking like 12 credits a semester.

I guess I didn't have quite as much skin in the game as you but personally I don't believe you should view it as wasted time if you can move on to something better but at the same time you need to be objective and honest with yourself because it's a big decision that nobody can make but you.

At the end of the day if you decide to take a semester off on the premise that you are going to take massive action - you'll learn a lot no matter what and you can slide right back into school if you want.

I know man it's a difficult decision but I must do it on my own.

 

[alan3wilson]

I don't quite much want to "tell" you what to do; however, and anyone can correct me if I am wrong here, creating software programmes/projects/products/services are a valuable option for building fastlane businesses due to the opportunity of replication (Scale) - the other elements of Control/Entry/Need/Time are all applied dependent on the product to be created BASED ON the Added Value(s) and Solution(s) beneficial to your prospective Customers.

Some of the best programmes/projects/products/services created that brought/bring solutions to people's lives are software programmes/engineering.

Yeah Sw engineers are paid good even in Europe.

Problem is that within 5 years I don't see me doing only the programmer/engineer in a cubicicle but I see me in 5 years having multiple successfull businesses around the world and being a master of marketing and sales.

 

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[alan3wilson]

Why don't you create your business with sweat equity on the side? What specifically requires money?

Do you even know what you want to do right now?

I don't have a clear idea to what to do right now but I see me in 5 years doing business and marketing/sales.

 

[Sean Kaye]

I don't have a clear idea to what to do right now but I see me in 5 years doing business and marketing/sales.

So why would you drop out of school for an aspiration that isn't even partially realized?

Having the idea is the easy bit and you're not even there yet.

See my point?

 

[ramonorencio]

Duuuude this is so relatable. The best thing I could tell you is to be completely honest with yourself.

Just ask yourself, do I have enough will power to get through school. I know I don't, so I got myself a 12 hour shift job.
Gotta fund my business somehow right?

If you decide to dropout, get to work and figure out what you want to do in business.
Whatever you decide to do, you have to go all out and don't be afraid to put your balls on the line. What is the worst thing that can happen?

 

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[alan3wilson]

So why would you drop out of school for an aspiration that isn't even partially realized?

Having the idea is the easy bit and you're not even there yet.

See my point?

Thanks, so I should just stay in college and finish it even if it will take me much time ?

 

[alan3wilson]

Duuuude this is so relatable. The best thing I could tell you is to be completely honest with yourself.

Just ask yourself, do I have enough will power to get through school. I know I don't, so I got myself a 12 hour shift job.
Gotta fund my business somehow right?

If you decide to dropout, get to work and figure out what you want to do in business.
Whatever you decide to do, you have to go all out and don't be afraid to put your balls on the line. What is the worst thing that can happen?

Thanks. If I remeber also Richard branson told people to listen to your gut.
Well sometimes my gut says to dropout and do something else lol

 

[alan3wilson]

Guys sorry again but I find it hard to make any decision now. I'm really stressed, can't sleep at night.

I don't know which direction to take for my life.

I think it will pass.

 

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[alan3wilson]

Hey guys sorry again but I'd like to ask you what is the best way to make a definitive decision ?

I see I cannot make anyone for now.

I'm really stuck, how can I get from undecision to decision?

Thanks.

 

[Van Halen]

Hey guys sorry again but I'd like to ask you what is the best way to make a definitive decision ?

I see I cannot make anyone for now.

I'm really stuck, how can I get from undecision to decision?

Thanks.

WADM Matrix

 

[alan3wilson]

WADM Matrix

sorry what's that ?

 

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[BlakeIC]

sorry what's that ?

its in the fastlane book

 

[BlakeIC]

sorry what's that ?

it's a model for weighing decisions when you are struggling to make a decision.

 

[Dunkafelics]

@alan3wilson

I am going to be blunt with you buddy, but take it from a position of trying to push you forward and not trying to coddle you so much.

The one thing I notice right away about you is your confidence level. You are looking to a group of strangers (good-looking ones ) to help you make this decision. You need to take control of your life and start making decisions without the influence of your parents/friends or an online community talking in your ear.

I think the most logical decision is to stay in school and complete this thing. It sounds like you can get some skills out of this educational path if you complete it. However at the same time as quite a few people have recommended, start grinding at either a business idea or get yourself out there and get a job that have some sales and marketing skills.

Have you read Unscripted yet? I find that there are a lot of valuable pieces in that second book written by MJ that really helped me break out of some negative funks and get me on the right path to making positive changes in my own life.

All the best man, we want you to succeed.

 

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[Van Halen]

sorry what's that ?

HelpMyDecision.com - Get Help Making Tough Decisions

 

[alan3wilson]

@alan3wilson

I am going to be blunt with you buddy, but take it from a position of trying to push you forward and not trying to coddle you so much.

The one thing I notice right away about you is your confidence level. You are looking to a group of strangers (good-looking ones ) to help you make this decision. You need to take control of your life and start making decisions without the influence of your parents/friends or an online community talking in your ear.

I think the most logical decision is to stay in school and complete this thing. It sounds like you can get some skills out of this educational path if you complete it. However at the same time as quite a few people have recommended, start grinding at either a business idea or get yourself out there and get a job that have some sales and marketing skills.

Have you read Unscripted yet? I find that there are a lot of valuable pieces in that second book written by MJ that really helped me break out of some negative funks and get me on the right path to making positive changes in my own life.

All the best man, we want you to succeed.

Thanks a lot. Yeah need to improve my confidence and mindset.

I know that my main problem is fear about what other people think about me.

And also I need much time (at least 2 years) to complete my bachelor. Maybe it would take too much time even if I start again from zero a new college degree, I think it's not worth that.