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    Hey guys here I'm again, I feel lost again.. I'm studying computer engineering and I can't see myself being a software engineer..

    I should have graduated last year but now I'm at my forth year of bachelor.. I feel lost and dead inside..

    What should I do? suck it up and finish the bachelor or dropout and do something better?

    I really can't see being only a programmer but I think about sales and marketing every day for 24 hours day
     
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    Is it me, or is every software or computer related guy bitching about how bad shit is???
    But welcome.

    If that fourth year is supposed to be your last, finish it.
    Not Fastlane, but finish that commitment. Commitment is a vital core of the Fastlane/UNSCRIPTION. i have felt the same way as well as I myself am in a pre-uni course. I'm finishing it by this year's end, and there were many times that I felt like quitting.
    But that would dent my reputation as someone who keeps his part of the deal. And quitting your education actually doesn't solve anything unless it really eats up your time to set up a business...which you might not be having one already.
    Besides, the skills you learned aren't a total waste. Even the more passive stuff like analysis or scientific principles will help.

    As you continue your education, you might want to start doing shit about the sales and marketing learning. When I learned copywriting, I hooked up on Quora, found people discussing on copy, and learned, Even put up copy suggestions for business owners and others. I worked for free. It was not the best experience, but it was a start. Besides I failed 'cheap'...I spend $0 on that effort and a few hours a day. My writing skills and confidence improved, and I'm more comfortable talking or sharing online and in public I learned to be just myself and not lie to other people....and that's pretty much copywriting for you.

    And besides, you might find Fastlane needs in software. Although there's a huge debate on the Forum on the viability of learning to code, it's still a good skill that most people don't learn, let alone Fastlane it. Even I myself try out the tutorials once in a while to get a feel of things and peek at stackexchange for the fun of it. Don't beat yourself on the head too much about it....you have actually made good progress.

    Even if you didn't run into the Forum, your degree actually puts you ahead of 95% of the other graduates. My business and arts classes are saturated while the science classes have like 10 or 20....out of a total of a few hundred students. Although I think STEM subjects are saturated with lowers standards, outsourcing to India and more automation, if we talk about numbers and probability, you chose the right degree should you want to stay Slowlane, which obviously, you don't want to do!

    Two questions to ask yourself which I have asked myself when I was lost around the time I found TMF:
    a. Why am I lost? Is it because I don't know what to do with my skills, or I don't know what outcomes will come from what I'm doing?

    b. Is there anything I can do to stop getting lost? What actions do I take? What things do I study, investigate? Do I talk to people? Is the conventional wisdom or advice wrong, although they seem reasonable? Are there exceptions? Can I make myself an exception?

    Perhaps this thread will help you out.
    *UNSCRIPTED* - Have you had your "FTE"? (Or Was it an FTM?!)
    Notable! - Manufacturing a FTE (F*ck This Event!)

    Welcome again. Do get help here if you need it.
     
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    So you have only one year left? If I were you, I would finish it. It's only one year. If not you may regret it for a long time.

    I have a similar issue with my master's degree. I did about half of it years ago, and decided last year I wanted to finish it because I found out I at least could take some entrepreneurship classes as part of a hybrid computer science/entrepreneurship thing. I just hated the idea of not having finished it.

    I took a couple of courses last year, and now I have 5 courses left (2 online). The last two opportunities I have postponed taking anything because I've been focused on my side project but I'm trying to force myself to see if I can continue, only because I know myself and I will hate giving up a second time.

    But I completely understand your problem. I've been having trouble concentrating on my 9 to 5 also because all I think about is marketing my product, and all the books I've been reading lately. I just wish I could drop everything and just focus on my project full time.

    But like I said if I were you, I would finish because you've done most of it already, and that way you'll have no regrets.
     
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    Finish your last year.
     
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    thanks. I know commitent is the best discipline to create.

    I was just wondering to dropout computer engineering and get into a business/ecomics degree and commit with that. Or it isn't worth it ?

    I'm still not at my last year..
     
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    Hi Alan, I'm also studying Software Development but only going in year two of my course. I don't have any great aspirations either to be a programmer my entire life but with the salaries they are paying at the moment it'll be a great stepping stone to immediately start purchasing real estate. It's also really helped with my other Fastlane ventures. When I need a site built or anything technical done I don't have to dish out hundreds of dollars to get simple things done for me.

    My advice would be to finish the final year out anyways while trying to figure out if there is anyway you can use the benefits of your course (coding/high salary) while branching into other areas.
     
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    Thanks. Problem is that I don't have one year left.. maybe two more years :( and it's bad .. It would take me about 6 years of my life lol
     
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    problem is not my last year because I worked for one semester and didn't do exams.

    So It would take me at least another 2 years left :( and it would take me out in total about 6 years of my life and I feel bad
    that's why I was wondering to pass to an economics major because it's easier but dont think it's worth it (it would take me that 3 years)

    at this time I could have made money in any job or in 4-5 years of hard work I'd have made six figure or more
     
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    What's stopping you from starting a business now?
     
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    Fear and fear of haters or family that want to stop me doing business things

    Maybe I need to improve my self esteem and learn how to ignore haters especially online
     
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    Well, I'll tell you that most people started their fastlane business as a side job. You're going to have to do two things at once until one takes off.
     
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    This is my own opinion. You have to decide on your own.
    I take economics. My cohort has a business course, and I have looked into the books.
    My take: You are more likely to learn more by taking a sales job or retail manager position than do that shit.
    Not only is the stuff obsolete, based on unicorn realities and less actionable, but the teachers teaching aren't exactly people who have gone and done it and made a killing at it.

    Don't if you can. And last time I checked, although some billionaires have econs degrees, their poorer peers ALSO took econs degrees. No one cares about degrees if you are providing value. My dad only has a diploma, but he runs his own biz, although it's not very passive, but he earns well and I can talk shop with him especially on B2B.

    But on B2B, I noticed that the most of the Fortune 500 companies don't really focus on B2B....they had more channels on B2Cs. Maybe it is because it's a bit tricky to scale B2Bs...they tend to be more service orientated, such as manufacturing, marketing, SAAS (the best SAAS platforms have good customer service on-call) and so on.

    Still, you might not want to drop out yet. I am suspecting an upheaval in the tech industry despite the slowlane slaughter there...there's the talk of VR and AI. You might want to have a chess piece on there, if you like. You are in a better position than me for that although you haven't exactly fired the shots.
     
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    In my opinion if you're gonna study something at school, study a science. The business stuff you are better off learning on your own by taking action. Science is one of the few things that school is still good for.

    Unless you really hate engineering, then that's a different story.
     
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    Thanks. Well I don't like some computer engineering exams not only hard but boring..

    I know business is better to learn on your own.

    Maybe MJ Marco has some toughts on this
     
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    LOL, and dropping out of college is gonna change that?
     
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    Hi Alan,

    I'm in the same boat as you (although mine is an entirely different degree subject). I have two years left of study because I missed my second year exams and am not in a position to take them before the next academic year starts. I entertained the thought of fully completing my degree and really it just fills me with dread. Could you take a leave of absence for another year so you have it to go back to as a "safety net"? Even if you know you're not going to go back it may make the decision to quit a little easier.

    Say you quit, would you be okay with taking any old job to pay the bills while you work on your business?

    You have to really trust yourself on this one. Your family will probably wince at your decision to leave the course but that's their problem; this is your life. There is no "right" decision and whatever you decide you will make it good.

    Good luck!
     
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    No MJ I don't think so. I need to improve my mindset and get over this fear.
     
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    If you let your family and people online get to you, how can you one day lead a business where you deal with customer, employees, manufacturers?

    My fool proof step-by-step plan for you:

    • Drop out and go work at the best job you can get right now and be the best employee in your position. This will teach you many things. Sales job? Even better. Whatever job it is, like MJ said, these dollars will be your freedom fighters, used to turn your ideas into reality.

    • Read self development books + unscripted/TMF. Change your mindset.

    • Start doing something entrepreneurial right this moment. Not tomorrow when you wake up. Not after your lunch. Right now. This does NOT mean extensive planning of your perfect idea.

      I suggest to start selling something online. Here's why. There is less planning involved for you to get started. Other things people are doing here like self publishing and web development are great, but I don't think its good for someone like you right now, unless you already possess these skills. You'll just action-fake for months because you're "learning".

      A buddy of mine was inspired by me after I started getting some success with my sales and in a few weeks already ordered and branded a product for sale. Is his product going to last long term? Absolutely not. But guess what is? His experience selling on Amazon, shopify, google ads, facebook ads. Seeing his competition CRUSH him, and seeing competition pop up every week because of low entry barriers, being exposed to other products to his niche, what worked and what didn't etc... BE LIKE HIM.
     
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    Whatever you do, don't do this. There are very few things you can do with a business/economics degree that you can't do with a comp eng degree. There are hundreds of things you can do with a comp eng degree that you can't even think about doing with a business/economics degree.

    If you have a business running already/have a job lined up that will generate income to fund your business venture, then quitting your degree might not be a terrible idea.

    If not, then what do you plan to do when you quit? Don't just drop out without a backup plan.
     
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    If you're thinking of quitting..you already did

    Now it's just time to make it official
     
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    Thanks. I must learn how to deal with others people.
     
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    I don't have a business running now.
    So you think an economics degree is not useful at all? I know some friends who studied business at college and don't know nothing about marketing lol

    I was just saying that an economics major is way easier than computer engineering, but I know easier things leads to less money.

    I don't have a "good" backup plan for now. The only thing I tought was to dropout and get any job to save up money and start working on my ideas.
     
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    No, it's not easier to take econs.
    Sometimes I have to deal with bullshit diagrams and factors rhectoric. But then again I'm doing macroeconomics, which is mostly theory. Micro might have you running up numbers and mathematical stuff. I'm not going there...it's going to be time consuming and learning that stuff sucks time and energy.

    In some ways economics is still a form of science, given that it is standardized to have cause and effect, whether the course content is relevant enough to build a Fastlane on the ground is another matter.

    I hear a lot of engineer students bitching that they should have taken business courses as shit is hard. This is no different from the money-chasing mentality or 'I want the easy way' route. Doesn't solve the problem. In fact I struggled a little with econs in the first months, but working on the Fastlane helped me cleared up stuff although I never took arts or business subjects in high school before for the basics.

    Although an advantage for business subjects is that you can have more parties, join more clubs for networking, I don't take too kindly again because these events break ENTRY. I'm very unlikely to find capable networks which I can leverage upon, and most of them are there to get laid rather than talk shop. Horrible sampling. Even many so-called business forums and so on are very B2C orientated...they either want to hire you into the SCRIPT or just touch surface-level discussions, which most often doesn't give you a more accurate view of the industry at large. Don't get me wrong...they are good opportunities, but I believe in 'great' rather than good. I've been to a few such meetups and I was sorely disappointed.

    Now, it's not to say that econs is not useful. It is. Otherwise, we could never have frameworks upon which to draft legal structures to maintain safe economies and to hunt down scammers.

    But consider that we are in a very strange age. Most fields, including economics, are saturated with students. Consider that with the population boom, excess to debt funding for student loans, any Tom, Dick and Harry can come in to college. 80% of these people will be culled sooner or later because they aren't fit for the degree in the first place. The remaining 20% (estimate...Pareto principle?) will probably develop their expertise well enough through climbing the corporate ladder, trial and error, etc. Maybe half of this group, 10%, move to another industry because they are bored or whatever, leaving the last 10%. This small group of experts will become the leaders in their field. And yes, they will provide their services to businesses, namely Fastlane businesses.

    There will be a day when you have extra dough in your budget, and you are considering whether to buy a new lambo or expand your systems. Do your best to hire that last elite 10%, because the human resource seedling will be weaponised through their knowledge, track record of hard work and experience.

    That is why I actually love saturated fields. Even if the deductions due to the scenerio I put above are big, I will still have a lot of good workers to choose from. And they have low expectations of their pay, so they might not be as expensive I would assume them to be! I know because currently I'm looking at a list of freelancers to hire to do due diligence (it takes some time), and that's the pattern I'm seeing. Any worker, degree holder or not, will focus on their craft rather than building systems. Let them have the opportunity to continue doing so and we pay for it, with a good upside of increase in profits.

    On marketing, most stuff they focus on is on 'shock-and-awe', bombing the people with ads and fighting limitations of tech, political or cultural in the marketplace, which is very wasteful. Last time I checked, I don't know any millionaires who were marketers to gain their fortunes to begin with. Most millionaires made it big using marketing to promote their stuff. And of course, your friends haven't sold shit in their lives, so how could they 'know' marketing? lol

    You don't need to be Tiger Woods to play well with a golf club.
    Still, don't get out yet. Break into tech websites, look for needs, see if there's something you can start working on. If you really still can't do it, then by all means, drop out and take a job to sustain you for the time being. Up to you, though. But you should be able to make the right decision that is best for you.
     
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    I was in the same position as you during my bachelor degree.

    My advice for you is to finish it. You will thank yourself 2 years down the track.
     
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    How bad do you want it?