WHY we must protect places like TFF

[Newpollz]

Also there are the likes that can blind and influence readers. Look at this very thread for example.

So... why so few likes/thanks for Digamma and so many for MJ?

 

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[Deer Friend]

You are new so you know the vibe that we members project, we don't.


What was your initial impression of this forum? How was the registration process, quick?

Registration was quick, but I poured my heart into the form, so I don't know if it was me or the registration process.

I come from reddit, where you get shut down very quickly if you enter a close community swinging your dick around and offering no value. This is the first forum I'm a part of, so I read all the gold threads, all the stickies, and all the rules before posting anything. The members here give so much that it blows my mind.

Most importantly, I read the book... It should set one up with the correct mindset. This forum helps along the way if that mindset is exercised.

 

[Newpollz]

Registration was quick, but I poured my heart into the form, so I don't know if it was me or the registration process.

I come from reddit, where you get shut down very quickly if you enter a close community swinging your dick around and offering no value. This is the first forum I'm a part of, so I read all the gold threads, all the stickies, and all the rules before posting anything. The members here give so much that it blows my mind.

Most importantly, I read the book... It should set one up with the correct mindset. This forum helps along the way if that mindset is exercised.

You are the perfect example of the perfect member attitude, perfectly illustrating my point.

 

[Fox]

No man, some us new members are learning to post on forums for the first time and if everything that we write (which my be unclear and somewhat irrelevant for some) gets deleted immediately by mustache guy or someone else with rep money, how are we supposed to get better?

Or even stay motivated?

I am a newcomer and I am feeling it, most of the people that encourage me even though my writing sucks are newcomers themselves luniac, hyperfocus etc (they haven't forgotten what its like to be new, they are living it right now)

Hey man as a relative newcomer as well I will share some of my opinions. I used to post on another forum where I have several thousand posts and was in the top 20 contributors out of close to a 100k people. When I joined this forum I realized that that they really value a decent signal to noise ratio. A lot of excellent advice is already on here so when a new person (or anyone) starts massive rants or poorly researched threads people get annoyed. It helps noone and takes away from the content already on here. Some times I get the itch to post but I always try to think about if its valuable, if its new and if it helps others. If it doesn't I try to avoid posting it. Sometimes i have not posted for weeks cause I have nothing new to add on here, its just everyday grind and hustle thoughts that don't really bring any new value to the table.

if you look at some of the best posters on here their post to like ratio is insane. They really think out every post they make and even though you can tell they are having massive success they might not post for weeks at a time until they have a large amount of new valuable info to share. These guys could post everyday about stuff put they hold back so its even more valuable and keeps content quality as high as possible.

Also a big thing is if your post is hypothetical versus real life results. For example your recent shark tank thread is just your thoughts. On the other hand an actual member on here took action, went on Shark tank and now has a very successful business. The success part isn't the point I am making but rather that its on thread on taking action and real world data. Even if he failed that post is still valuable. If you compare the reaction to those two different threads that will show you what people value. That is just the facts of what people on here want to read and what will help build your name with this forum. You can't change that and neither can anyone else on this forum.

My advice would for any new person would be to read all the gold threads, make a plan of action, take that action, get some results and then use that as material to post. Have a large read to write ratio, especially in the beginning, and really try make informative, valuable posts.

A lot of people on here are jaded with other forums that slipped from allowing lots of low quality posts and rants drown out the quality. As such they are over protective, and rightfully so, of keeping the TFF free of similar threads.

Just my thoughts.

 

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[mws87]

Idk, there is just this feeling of "OMG this guy is such a troll and trying to enroll us into MLM scam, I gotta report that shit to my forum boss"

To be fair, the staff/mods here are usually the ones who filter the BS out of this forum, and that's mostly because, with their experience, their BS filters are well-calibrated. I don't think they rely on members to report posts. Actually, I think they get rid of the garbage on here before members would even have a chance to report it, something most forums lack.[/quote]

No man, some us new members are learning to post on forums for the first time and if everything that we write (which my be unclear and somewhat irrelevant for some) gets deleted immediately by mustache guy or someone else with rep money, how are we supposed to get better? . . . Or even stay motivated? . . . I am a newcomer and I am feeling it, most of the people that encourage me even though my writing sucks are newcomers themselves luniac, hyperfocus etc (they haven't forgetten what its like to be new, they are living it right now)

I don't think threads here get deleted for the sake of 'oppressing' new members or anything. There's always a valid reason for it. I sort of understand where you're coming from, but I think you may be over-analyzing it a bit. It seems like you read between the lines a lot, which is good, but you could use it more to your advantage if you read the posts here from a different perspective. Yeah, we have some members who seem to berate people for the sake of just doing it, but, if those members don't know what they're talking about, they usually don't last long (or end up ignored).

But some of you more "advanced guys and girls", man you are ruthless sometimes, especially the russian guy.

To be fair, @theag has an entire country to run.

Also there are the likes that can blind and influence readers. Look at this very thread for example.

So... why so few likes/thanks for Digamma and so many for MJ?
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Sure, MJ has some influence, as he should — he did create the forums, after all (not to mention the vast amounts of value he provides). However, if he only received likes because of influence I think the number of likes would be much higher. People disagree with MJ from time to time just like any other member here, as they should being that it's a forum, and I've never seen him get twisted in a knot over it. That's another big difference that sets this forum apart from others — people here listen to arguments and try to view opinions from different perspectives. By the way, I found that post by MJ pretty humorous because of his "Lennon Copy"

Hell, when I first signed up here I had the whole "new kid in class" feeling, too. But I ended up liking posts by members who shot my opinions down only because once I saw it from their point of view, it actually helped me.

I'm thankful this place has the rules it does. The whole "secret forum police" thing sounds more similar to Reddit than here.

 

[Newpollz]

These guys could post everyday about stuff put they hold back so its even more valuable and keeps content quality as high as possible.

Also a big thing is if your post is hypothetical versus real life results. For example your recent shark tank thread is just your thoughts.

What about the thread where MJ pretends Elon Musk came today even though it wasnt't true, when he just wanted to make a point that the forum should be a good place with good content?

 

[Newpollz]

What about the countless analogies and parables found here that are the few things that really work for some?

 

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[Newpollz]

build your name with this forum.

Why would I want to build my name?

 

[MJ DeMarco]

What about the countless analogies and parables found here that are the few things that really work for some?

If you don't like how this forum is run, you are welcome to leave. If you don't like moderators deleting (or moving) your threads which are being reported by OTHER MEMBERS, again, you are welcome to leave. Your posts are moved/deleted because the community has reported them as noise-- not the "gestapo" mods. We get wind of noisy posts by the users -- not because we are trolling the forum looking to delete shit.

Please STOP posting your random thoughts.

Please STOP posting your random thoughts.

This is not the place for it. Do it on your Facebook page, on your website, or your Instagram.

Again, if you don't like how this forum is managed, you are welcome to find another one that is more suited to your random thoughts.

Post less, read more.

Ignore my suggestion and I will make it happen for you.

Thank you.

 

[Fox]

What about the thread where MJ pretends Elon Musk came today even though it wasnt't true, when he just wanted to make a point that the forum should be a good place with good content?

That particular post is 20% hypothetical 80% actual informative content.

If you have been linked to this thread, your thread topic was moved to the LANDFILL -- the LANDFILL is a forum cesspool for poor quality threads-- threads that add no value, little value, I'm getting laid/slaying chicks, entrepreneurial masturbation (what color should my Ferrari be?), income declarations with zero foundation, zero revenue, zero products, or, they show your unwillingness (or laziness) to do simple due diligence: A) a quick forum search or B) a simple google search.

The reference the moderators and I use to determine which threads are moved to the LANDFILL is this:

If a rockstar entrepreneur visited our forum, either male or female (Elon Musk, Sarah Blakely, Marc Cuban, Kevin O'Leary) and they read this particular thread, would they be inclined to stay at the forum? Contribute their good sense? Or would they say "WTF?" and leave?

If the answer is the latter, we move the thread to the LANDFILL.

https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/forums/the-landfill.143/

If you feel a thread is poor quality, adds nothing, and is simply cluttering the front page and making the forum look like amateur hour, TAG A MODERATOR and add #Landfill. We will take a peek and make an evaluation for a move, or better, a full-scale delete

I see it as a high quality post that gets you thinking about what message you are putting out and if a world class business persons seen that content what their opinion would be. Yes there is some hypothetical portion to it but MJs track record backs it up and its well thought out.

If I wrote that exact same post it wouldn't be nearly as popular of effective. Why? No one here knows who the F*ck I am. In the context of the forum my message means nothing since I have very little to back it up with. I don't fight that, its completely the way it should be.

If an old friend walked into your house and started making himself a sandwich it probably is not a big deal.
If the new mailman did the same you would probably start a fight.

If Gary V called me up and told me to invest in X new app I probably would borrow money and do it.
If I seen a comment on a Youtube video from ASkaslkasdj909 saying the same exact thing I wouldn't even notice.

Context and track record are everything. You can't expect the same treatment as someone else in a context where they have years of proven results and you are new in the door with very little to show. That goes for life, business and this forum.

Its not only content, its context.

 

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[Newpollz]

I apologize to everyone. MJ is a good admin/forum host. Sorry for wasting your time, back to work!

 

[Newpollz]

That particular post is 20% hypothetical 80% actual informative content.
If I wrote that exact same post it wouldn't be nearly as popular of effective. Why? No one here knows who the F*ck I am.

You are so right.

In the context of the forum my message means nothing since I have very little to back it up with. I don't fight that, its completely the way it should be.

True

If an old friend walked into your house and started making himself a sandwich it probably is not a big deal.
If the new mailman did the same you would probably start a fight.

If Gary V called me up and told me to invest in X new app I probably would borrow money and do it.
If I seen a comment on a Youtube video from ASkaslkasdj909 saying the same exact thing I wouldn't even notice.

Alright well you convinced me. Who do you think has the most influence on you, reddit, YouTube or TFF?

 

[Fox]

You are so right.

True

Alright well you convinced me. Who do you think has the most influence on you, reddit, YouTube or TFF?

I don't read reddit and I only ever watch videos on YouTube so out of those three it would definitely be TFF. Right now the biggest outside influences would be the MFCEO podcast and whatever book or audiobook (the 10X rule at the moment) I am reading. I try to keep a diet on info and focus as much as possible on action. 1 Book a week, 1 main podcast and 10-30 mins on this forum a day is enough. When I have something of value to post I do, otherwise I take as much in as possible and focus on action.

 

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[Mattie]

Well, I didn't learn much today here. In my opinion you both wasted my time and didn't add any value. lol

 

[Newpollz]

Well, I didn't learn much today here. In my opinion you both wasted my time and didn't add any value. lol

I learned that here, opinions must be suppressed, only real valuable information/facts/parables spoken.

 

[Newpollz]

I learned that here, opinions must be suppressed, only real valuable information/facts/parables spoken.

But I'll stfu now, I don't wanna get banned.

 

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[Mattie]

I learned that here, opinions must be suppressed, only real valuable information/facts/parables spoken.

I remember being new in here. I understand both sides of the coin. Simply put, the forum is filled with many intelligent people of various personality types, and different levels of growth. And we're each at a different place. So kind of hard to make everyone happy. I think what happens is the more upward in growth you go as an entrepreneur time matters.

The more you become aware some information is just useless and pointless, and I find myself doing this with videos and books. I'm like "Just get to the point I need, I don't want to hear the story, the speech, the explanation, just the information I'm looking for. So, I don't think we intentionally mean to be brutal to new comers, it's just we're at a different point in the game of Entrepreneurship.

I think in a sense when I first started, ha ha, I think I just saw it as kind of an initiation and passage to learn they're going to throw everything at you, to know whether you're serious about Entrepreneurship or you're just someone here for the moment, and never coming back.

I have to say it's quite necessary in some ways to get you to let go of a lot of baggage, ego, and self-limiting beliefs you may have. So, ha ha if they're rattling your cage, just take it for what it's worth, they're building your character. If you're reacting and angry that means you need to work on something in yourself to move forward as an entrepreneur.

 

[NonMagicalGenie]

What about the thread where MJ pretends Elon Musk came today even though it wasnt't true, when he just wanted to make a point that the forum should be a good place with good content?

But you do understand why he had to make that thread right?

You see, if you were here when that thread was made or even before the thread was made. There were SO many shitty threads created about crap that no one cared about. Meaning, the threads didn't provide value, not a single F*cking bit. Something clearly had to be done about it.

You can use Elon Musk as a "symbol" to understand my analogy.

Elon Musk is clearly a person that has high perceived value correct? Right, so, when a person comes on this forum that has value to provide--even if they aren't Elon Musk--to further other entrepreneurs on their journey. What are they gonna think when the first thing they see is the homepage barraged with threads about, making a $1M dollars in a month, partying, having sex with different women, and so on?

Will they stay?

Will they provide their personal experience, failures, mistakes, etc about their journey?

It makes the forum look bad and forces people who have value to add, not to add any, and (for dramatic affect) it can hamper MJ's reputation.

So no, don't just post your thoughts.

There have been many times where I went weeks, even months, without posting a single thing. It didn't feel good, but I knew if I posted what I was about to post it wouldn't provide any value, so I stopped myself.

I wouldn't be where I am without this forum, so like many, I care about the content here as well. I don't want it to become a cesspool of mindless thoughts and ego-inflated nonsense. And the moderators are doing a good job so that doesn't happen. So lets help to keep it that way.

 

[Newpollz]

I think in a sense when I first started, ha ha, I think I just saw it as kind of an initiation and passage to learn they're going to throw everything at you, to know whether you're serious about Entrepreneurship or you're just someone here for the moment, and never coming back.

That happens in the corporate world and I wish it wouldn't happen here. The boiler room initiation phase is more suited over there at WF.
Some of you clearly need to stop sucking up and start sucking down. It is the new blood that will inherit this place and bring new colorful ideas and create awesome posts, instead of landfilling them why not give them room to grow.

So no, don't just post your thoughts.

There have been many times where I went weeks, even months without posting a single thing. It didn't feel good, but I knew if I posted what I was about to post it wouldn't provide any value so I stopped myself.

How the heck do you know if it provides value before the audience even reacts to it?

 

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[jon.a]

But you do understand why he made that thread right?

You see, if you were here when that thread was made or even before the thread was made. There were SO many shitty threads about crap that no one cared about. Meaning, the threads didn't provide value, not a single F*cking bit. Something clearly had to be done about it.

You can use Elon Musk as a "symbol" to understand my analogy.

Elon Musk is clearly a person that has high perceived value correct? Right, so, when a person comes on this forum that have value to provide (even if they aren't Elon Musk) to further other entrepreneurs on their journey. What are they gonna think when the first thing they see is the homepage barraged with threads about, making a $1M dollars in a month, partying, having sex with different women, and so on?

Will they stay?

Will they provide their personal experience, failures, mistakes, etc about their journey?

It makes the forum look bad and forces people who have value to add, not add any, and (for dramatic affect) it can hamper MJ's reputation.

So no, don't just post your thoughts.

There have been many times where I went weeks, even months without posting a single thing. It didn't feel good, but I knew if I posted what I was about to post it wouldn't provide any value so I stopped myself.

I wouldn't be where I am without this forum, so like many, I care about the content here as well. I don't want it to become a cesspool of mindless thoughts and ego-inflated nonsense. And the moderators are doing a good job so that doesn't happen. So lets help to keep it that way.

Well done!

 

[Newpollz]

I truly don't understand the animosity towards me though , I am the one that created this thread!

 

[AndrewNC]

How the heck do you know if it provides value before the audience even reacts to it?

This is kind of moving the topic in a new direction, but to answer your question, I find these types of posts to be the most useful

"This is what I did...." and "This is the result it got me" and sharing authentic advice on the actions you took on your business - whether it led to positive or negative results

For example - I started going to offline/local networking meetup groups. I began meeting with older business owners who never got into the online world. They stressed the importance of face-to-face and over the phone communication to build that trust and relationship with people.

So I grabbed coffee with an older business owner today named John - talked about my business and he talked about his. Now, whenever one of us meets others who could use eachothers services - we have our 'go-to' person to recommend to.

We just met and I haven't had any sales from it yet, but I can see the value of this strategy going forward with my business.

 

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[MasterOfMyFate]

I learned that here, opinions must be suppressed, only real valuable information/facts/parables spoken.

Opinions seem to be tolerated just fine but naturally valuable information and facts are more popular. Would you want in to be any other way?

Also there are the likes that can blind and influence readers. Look at this very thread for example.

Your initial post on this thread got more likes than the MJ reply you mentioned.

What about the thread where MJ pretends Elon Musk came today even though it wasnt't true, when he just wanted to make a point that the forum should be a good place with good content?

1. That thread wasn't made specifically for you.
2. The goal of that thread is to make people think about what they are posting. It certainly made me think about it.

I myself sometimes post irrelevant shit just cause I am dumb or because I'm going through different emotions or challenges.

That stuff gets deleted. And it's okay! I don't take it personally. It just forces me to go sit on that car and come up with something better to write.

Why do you feel the need to come up with something to write? If you have something important to contribute you won't need to spend time thinking about what that is.

Why would I want to build my name?

Isn't that what you were trying to do by posting those threads?
Internet points are overrated anyway.

Why do you ignore new members?

New members are not ignored, from what I've seen they are encouraged.
We aren't entitled to anybody else's attention. It will come once we give back value.


I'm not trying to criticize you at all. I am a newbie myself and I totally get where you are coming from. I find the best strategy is just to absorb as much of the useful knowledge as possible. When we can add something of value in return it will be greatly appreciated.

 

[Newpollz]

This is kind of moving the topic in a new direction, but to answer your question, I find these types of posts to be the most useful

"This is what I did...." and "This is the result it got me" and sharing authentic advice on the actions you took on your business - whether it led to positive or negative results

For example - I started going to offline/local networking meetup groups. I began meeting with older business owners who never got into the online world. They stressed the importance of face-to-face and over the phone communication to build that trust and relationship with people.

So I grabbed coffee with an older business owner today named John - talked about my business and he talked about his. Now, whenever one of us meets others who could use eachothers services - we have our 'go-to' person to recommend to.

We just met and I haven't had any sales from it yet, but I can see the value of this strategy going forward with my business.

You see, to me it's only when I stir up shit and get attention that people give me valuable guidance. Otherwise I mostly get ignored around here.

I'm like a fuzzer. Is that bad?

 

[Dwight Schrute]

I truly don't understand the animosity towards me though , I am the one that created this thread!

It's not towards you. It's nothing personal.

Let's say you put a new service out there(your last threads).
The market didn't like it. (But we don't hate you for that)

Would you be angry? Would you still try to push it on people?
Or would you shake it off and adapt?

Let the market decide what's good.

BTW there was a thread before the sucky ones, which received positive feedback. The one with the heroes.
You might wanna analyze what made this one good.

What's for sure is that you didn't get landfilled just because you're new here

Relax.

 

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[Newpollz]

It's not towards you. It's nothing personal.

Let's say you put a new service out there(your last threads).
The market didn't like it. (But we don't hate you for that)

Would you be angry? Would you still try to push it on people?
Or would you shake it off and adapt?

Let the market decide what's good.

BTW there was a thread before the sucky ones, which received positive feedback. The one with the heroes.
You might wanna analyze what made this one good.

What's for sure is that you didn't get landfilled just because you're new here

Relax.

By the way your name "Connoisseur of Bad Taste", in proper French should be written "Connaisseur of bad taste".

Means you are knowledgeable about bad taste.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

By the way your name "Connoisseur of Bad Taste", in proper French should be written "Connaisseur of bad taste".

Means you are knowledgeable about bad taste.

I just had to look that up.
I'm not a connaisseur of proper french, but Wikipedia says that connoisseur is just the pre-1835 spelling of connaisseur.
AND WIKIPEDIA IS ALWAYS RIGHT.

 

[Newpollz]

I just had to look that up.
I'm not a connaisseur of proper french, but Wikipedia says that connoisseur is just the pre-1835 spelling of connaisseur.
AND WIKIPEDIA IS ALWAYS RIGHT.

Trust experience, not science. You are living in the past.

 

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[AndrewNC]

You see, to me it's only when I stir up shit and get attention that people give me valuable guidance. Otherwise I mostly get ignored around here.

I'm like a fuzzer. Is that bad?

You've learned a very valuable marketing lesson. When you stir up emotions, you get attention.

BUT it is not limited to "stirring up shit" - what other emotions can you elicit to gain attention?

 

[Newpollz]

You've learned a very valuable marketing lesson. When you stir up emotions, you get attention.

BUT it is not limited to "stirring up shit" - what other emotions can you elicit to gain attention?

Anger, ego, sex and violence (eros and tanatos), compassion.