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How the F*ck does alcohol relieve stress? You walk into a bar stressed, you drink, you come out less stressed? That’s weird.

I try to not drink a lot strictly for dieting. Otherwise I would have 6 mojitos a day when I’m chilling at the lake house. Very fun to be grilling burgers, chugging down cocktails the girlfriend is making me, riding around on the jet ski for a few hours at 1pm on a Tuesday because the business is running smoothly.

Anyone who thinks of alcohol in any emotional soothing way is low IQ. Anyone addicted to alcohol is a retard.

If anyone I know ever indicates that alcohol makes them “forget” life or treats it as escapism they are immediately labeled as a complete dumbass.
 
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How the F*ck does alcohol relieve stress? You walk into a bar stressed, you drink, you come out less stressed? That’s weird.

I try to not drink a lot strictly for dieting. Otherwise I would have 6 mojitos a day when I’m chilling at the lake house. Very fun to be grilling burgers, chugging down cocktails the girlfriend is making me, riding around on the jet ski for a few hours at 1pm on a Tuesday because the business is running smoothly.

Anyone who thinks of alcohol in any emotional soothing way is low IQ. Anyone addicted to alcohol is a retard.

If anyone I know ever indicates that alcohol makes them “forget” life or treats it as escapism they are immediately labeled as a complete dumbass.
Why don't you chill the F*ck out, ya little a**hole.

Maybe you have more in common with dumbasses than you think.
 

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Alcohol, even just "one" a day or "one" a week, affects neuroplasticity. In other words it basically keeps you from changing yourself. Yup.

So if you are depressed or have anxiety. Good luck changing as long as you gulp down those 7% ABV Hazy IPAs.
I've watched that episode of Andrew Huberman as well.

I guess the changes in brain plasticity are one of the reasons why most people's lives skyrocket after they stop drinking.
 

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Don't drink because most of the people drink.
You could drink a Cola or Pepsi instead. There is perhaps too much sugar in it, but no alcohol; and the taste may be better.

You could argue that you have to support your Cola or Pepsi shares, if you have some.
 
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I drank with my friends few years ago to be less stressed but only what I got was more stress. I'm missing something or we just drank low quality alcohol?
 

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I ended up deciding to avoid alcohol entirely at an early age due to alcoholism in my family. My father was always a drinker, but eventually had an accident that turned him into a super heavy alcoholic.

The alcohol ended up destroying him. He came to the US as a penniless immigrant, and eventually made a small fortune through entrepreneurship and sheer force of will. But the alcohol took it all away. The loss of wealth was the least of his troubles. He lost his entire family, and destroyed his health. He ended up dying at just 58 years old.

As I've gotten older, I've come to view alcohol as an asymmetric downside risk. The upside to alcohol is that you elevate your emotional state in the moment. But the downside is massive. You can hurt or kill yourself/others, and destroy many people's lives in the process. I've seen many such examples, even some in the Fastlane community itself.

I think if someone is predisposed to addiction, then its worth avoiding alcohol entirely. Most people are probably able to control their consumption, but I know that I wouldn't be able to, so I avoid it completely.
 

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I used to drink occasionally until I learned:
(a) that alcohol alters gene expression
(b) the long-term reduction in dopamine level post the high and good feeling you get from drinking

In the last four months, I have had one glass of white wine. That's it.
 

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I don't think giving up alcohol gets talked about enough in the entrepreneurial world.

You always hear people talk about how a $4 coffee is a waste of money but what about $7 pints and you can't just have one, you need 15.

You can't make your best decisions when groggy and hung over. One night out can cost you 3 days of feeling like crap.

I'm from Ireland and gave up drinking 3 year's ago. It's a huge part of our culture here and since I gave it up I've noticed Ireland is not a place I want to live in anymore. There's not much to do here if you don't drink and sit in a pub.
It’s a toxic poison that accumulates damages to the liver.

Any 3 minutes of google search is enough to frighten the sheet out of anyone who bothers to research.

Fortunately I don’t drink and never find alcohol addictive. It is not even tasty to me.

On the hand I have some issue with caffeine that if I skip coffee or tea for a day I might have some mild headache.

There seems to be overwhelming “research” that says caffeine addiction isn’t so much of an issue and 2 cups or less per day is even heathier than not drinking. But again these could be just megacoporation playing confirmation bias to play the kind of music that I want to hear.
 

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You could drink a Cola or Pepsi instead. There is perhaps too much sugar in it, but no alcohol; and the taste may be better.

You could argue that you have to support your Cola or Pepsi shares, if you have some.
There is always the option of coke zero.

While there is uncertain risk about preservatives in coke zero, it is still much better than guaranteed sugar content in coke classic.
 
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Anyone addicted to alcohol is a retard.
You speak with authority, like when it takes a retard to recognize one ;). Bravo!!


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I was at a bookstore, how timely

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“I can’t stop drinking. It’s not my fault, it’s a disease. I do it to cope with the cruel world. I’m a victim” - Retarded Rick
My stepmother has struggled with alcoholism her whole life which started when she went through an insane amount of domestic violence over a 20 year period before she met my Dad.

She's not a retard, you're just an a**hole.
 

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Alcohol and tobacco are in the same category. There is no such thing as moderation. Having none of them is still better than sometimes.
For me it’s the same, I got decision fatigue and wasted time when I tried moderation

There are still too many people though in the world who don’t drink don’t smoke and follow all of Huberman’s neuroscience advice and yet they’re not street smart and not actually original thinkers and think neuroscience solves everything and they give a bad rep to healthy people which is a problem. They’re trying to be healthy but missing the point. People are all trying to improve and they are smart even if they have an addictive lifestyle, they’re looking for smart people to learn from and be examples to follow. I don’t listen to Huberman because I think Huberman himself tends to be too far on the spectrum of “neuroscience fixes everything” (and it takes one to know one) when the real answer is being real and being our true selves, slowing down before moving forward etc. which takes actual work. Sitting down and thinking vs. following cookie cutter neuroscience advice
 
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I'm from Ireland and gave up drinking 3 year's ago. It's a huge part of our culture here and since I gave it up I've noticed Ireland is not a place I want to live in anymore. There's not much to do here if you don't drink and sit in a pub.
I'm from Australia which I kinda feel has a similar drinking culture to Ireland. I felt the same way a few years ago when I cut my drinking way back. It was literally the only thing it seemed my mates would do when it came to socializing, and it didn't matter if they were a professional or a labourer. It felt like my social life was over.

Fast forward a few years and I've moved to a different area an hour north and mainly hang out with people that run their own business and it's not an issue anymore.

I'm not gonna lie and try to act like Mr Entrepreneurman3000 that wakes up at 4am to do yoga and medtiation while cold plunging and never touching a drop of alcohol, I still really like a nice beer or a hendricks, but everyone is way more in control of it here and one or 2 drinks if you decide to is like a big night now, lol.

I don't think you need to leave Ireland, but change your scene more. It's a pain in the a$$ though, took me a few years.
 
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My stepmother has struggled with alcoholism her whole life which started when she went through an insane amount of domestic violence over a 20 year period before she met my Dad.

She's not a retard, you're just an a**hole.
Not mutually exclusive, both are true.
 

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Not mutually exclusive, both are true.
Yeah right. It's no wonder you have "boy" in your username.
The way I write on this forum is actually the way I talk in real life. Can you say the same? I can't imagine running around talking to people like a little edgelord dipshit is going to work out well for you.
 

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Yeah right. It's no wonder you have "boy" in your username.
The way I write on this forum is actually the way I talk in real life. Can you say the same? I can't imagine running around talking to people like a little edgelord dipshit is going to work out well for you.
No, way different. I say all the bad/funny/illegal stuff outside of the forum.

I’m not here to argue. Just to drop a little wisdom nugget: drinking problems are for dummies. Anyone with an alcohol problem is a massive red flag. If that hurts your feelings because mommy drank too much that is a conversation for a therapist not a forum.
 
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No, way different. I say all the bad/funny/illegal stuff outside of the forum.

I’m not here to argue. Just to drop a little wisdom nugget: drinking problems are for dummies. Anyone with an alcohol problem is a massive red flag. If that hurts your feelings because mommy drank too much that is a conversation for a therapist not a forum.
I'm 40 years old Johnny, I met her a few years ago. I don't need therapy for having some empathy and understanding that some people have terrible things happen in their life that can lead to alcoholism.

You really need to tone down on your antagonistic style of writing, this isn't reddit.
 

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I'm from Australia which I kinda feel has a similar drinking culture to Ireland. I felt the same way a few years ago when I cut my drinking way back. It was literally the only thing it seemed my mates would do when it came to socializing, and it didn't matter if they were a professional or a labourer. It felt like my social life was over.

Fast forward a few years and I've moved to a different area an hour north and mainly hang out with people that run their own business and it's not an issue anymore.

I'm not gonna lie and try to act like Mr Entrepreneurman3000 that wakes up at 4am to do yoga and medtiation while cold plunging and never touching a drop of alcohol, I still really like a nice beer or a hendricks, but everyone is way more in control of it here and one or 2 drinks if you decide to is like a big night now, lol.

I don't think you need to leave Ireland, but change your scene more. It's a pain in the a$$ though, took me a few years.

I used to live in Perth. Australia has a huge drinking culture, just as big as Ireland I remember working construction and there'd be drinks during lunch breaks and after work. Fridays the boss man would brings boxes of bottles to the site.

I feel like a move is the right thing for me. Not much to do here, especially in the winter time.
 

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I used to live in Perth. Australia has a huge drinking culture, just as big as Ireland I remember working construction and there'd be drinks during lunch breaks and after work. Fridays the boss man would brings boxes of bottles to the site.

I feel like a move is the right thing for me. Not much to do here, especially in the winter time.
Lots of people aren't into the drinking culture here in Ireland, or in the UK David. I used to be till I had kids, then everything changed. Now I just go out occasionally, in particular when England play Ireland in the 6 Nations rugby.

I meet people for a coffee more often now and much prefer that.

I suspect you'll find there's more people who aren't into the drinking culture here than you think.

If you're ever passing then make sure you let me know and we can meet up for a coffee!
 
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This sums it all up IMO.
Worse than asymmetric downside imo.

Asymmetric downside is potential big loss.

Alcohol is guaranteed small loss with potential big loss.

Much easier to have liver cancer than being multimillionaire in real world. Probability is higher too.
 

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People who drink are victims of the multi-billion alcohol/beer marketing that has perpetuated pop culture since time immemorial. Alcohol is associated with suave gentlemen and/or the masculine alpha male depending on the brand. Sometimes decked out in a sharp suit at a bar with hot chicks flocking to him, sometimes in shabby clothes with overgrown facial hair depending on the plot. If you don't drink, you aren't a man, you're a wuss, a little boy.

That's the narrative the masses have been sold on, together with tobacco. Cool heroic guys smoke and drink. Want to get girls? Drink and smoke. Never mind that alcohol smells worse than urine and tobacco smells poisonous af. Alcohol is a depressant, that's why it makes you feel shitty the next day. And when you feel shitty combined with life's problems, you drink more and the cycle repeats.

Even women nowadays (in Asia) are jumping onto this bandwagon lol.
Alcohol ages the skin over time and gives you visceral fat, so good luck with that.
 
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I've many fond memories of epic nights out with mates, work nights in London, mad rave things in a bank vault in Berlin, avoiding Viking brawls in Iceland, and beating Americans at drinking games in New York. It didn't stop me working, exercising, or make me depressed or an alcoholic.

I'll sneak down the pub the next time they show a Newcastle match (here in Ireland they mostly just show Liverpool, Man U, or Chelsea so I have to catch Newcastle when they play one of those teams). I may be on my own for the few pints, unless it's against Liverpool in which case I'll be out with a brother-in-law who supports them ... along with the rest of the bleeding pub it seems.

I can't wait for England v Ireland in rugby although it's mostly us losing the last couple of years. That's a great afternoon with me winding up the locals just for wearing white. My wife will be out wearing green and giving me grief. It's all good natured and great craic as they say over here.


Anyway, here's a short video I posted to Facebook a couple of months ago. Be warned, you won't be able to unsee it.

 

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People who drink are victims of the multi-billion alcohol/beer marketing that has perpetuated pop culture since time immemorial. Alcohol is associated with suave gentlemen and/or the masculine alpha male depending on the brand. Sometimes decked out in a sharp suit at a bar with hot chicks flocking to him, sometimes in shabby clothes with overgrown facial hair depending on the plot. If you don't drink, you aren't a man, you're a wuss, a little boy.

That's the narrative the masses have been sold on, together with tobacco. Cool heroic guys smoke and drink. Want to get girls? Drink and smoke. Never mind that alcohol smells worse than urine and tobacco smells poisonous af. Alcohol is a depressant, that's why it makes you feel shitty the next day. And when you feel shitty combined with life's problems, you drink more and the cycle repeats.

Even women nowadays (in Asia) are jumping onto this bandwagon lol.
Alcohol ages the skin over time and gives you visceral fat, so good luck with that.
Oh jeez. When are people going to start being accountable for their actions and not blame "culture"? People drink because they choose to drink. I don't care what the marketing around it is or the culture view around it is, people drink because they decided to drink.
No, way different. I say all the bad/funny/illegal stuff outside of the forum.

I’m not here to argue. Just to drop a little wisdom nugget: drinking problems are for dummies. Anyone with an alcohol problem is a massive red flag. If that hurts your feelings because mommy drank too much that is a conversation for a therapist not a forum.

I'm 40 years old Johnny, I met her a few years ago. I don't need therapy for having some empathy and understanding that some people have terrible things happen in their life that can lead to alcoholism.

You really need to tone down on your antagonistic style of writing, this isn't reddit.

@MattR82, putting emotions aside for a bit, he has a point. Anyone with an alcohol problem is a red flag.

I can understand why your stepmother picked the bottle. No one should go through years of domestic violence. I empathize with her situation. Terrible things like that can lead to alcoholism; it is understandable. But they don't have to. I have a friend that has it rough. Abandoned, adopted, raped, emotional violence... you name it. In 2020 she started being a victim of domestic violence. It took her until early this year to get out. Alcohol is not in the picture, and it is still not sunshine and rainbow for her.

Why someone became alcoholic can be understandable and still remains a red flag.
 

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@MattR82, putting emotions aside for a bit, he has a point. Anyone with an alcohol problem is a red flag.

Only the weakest of men can’t handle complexity of life and avoid all red flags. If you can only handle being around happy people, you aren’t happy.

Calling those with addiction “retards” is a sign of a weak ignorant teenager. Removing emotions has nothing to do with it.

And yes, anyone with ANY addiction is a red flag. So?
 

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