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Gee, it's only his 21st grand slam title. And quite possibly, the best player to ever play the game.

I wonder if people ask him ...

Do you get enough protein?
How's your energy level?
Have you checked your B12?


LOL. :rofl:

I take my health seriously as much as any aging pro athlete does -- except those athletes have tens of millions of dollars on the line to be right about their nutrition and health.

While Novak doesn't like identifying as "vegan" (much like I don't either) the fact is, if you don't eat meat or dairy, you're vegan. The negative title is irrelevant.
Sicking tired of people asking this questions... I tend to hide that I'm vegan, it saves me a lot of energy explaining.

I would pay money to have the power of shut people's mouth from questioning my lifestyle XD
 
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Sicking tired of people asking this questions... I tend to hide that I'm vegan, it saves me a lot of energy explaining.

I would pay money to have the power of shut people's mouth from questioning my lifestyle XD


You think being an entrepreneur in a work-slave culture is hard?

Try being vegan, even if you try keeping it on the "down low" (now I know why aging athletes don't say shit about it) -- I'm still in shock at the BS I have to deal with, here, from strangers, young know-it-all "fitness experts", old fat F*cks on 5 medications, and wide variety of other pharma bros. Based on some of the things I've had to deal with, it's literally a new type of racism that is cool, and institutionally endorsed and accepted -- disease and healthcare sickcare is a multi-trillion dollar business ... and healthy people are not good for business.

We live in a clown world when Pepisco and Coke is dispensing nutrition advice while funding the American Diabetes foundation.

Now excuse me while I go drink my soy milk and eat my tofu lunch -- I have a pink dress I need to wash.
 

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You think being an entrepreneur in a work-slave culture is hard?

Try being vegan, even if you try keeping it on the "down low" (now I know why aging athletes don't say shit about it) -- I'm still in shock at the BS I have to deal with, here, from strangers, young know-it-all "fitness experts", old fat F*cks on 5 medications, and wide variety of other pharma bros. Based on some of the things I've had to deal with, it's literally a new type of racism that is cool, and institutionally endorsed and accepted -- disease and healthcare sickcare is a multi-trillion dollar business ... and healthy people are not good for business.

We live in a clown world when Pepisco and Coke is dispensing nutrition advice while funding the American Diabetes foundation.

Now excuse me while I go drink my soy milk and eat my tofu lunch -- I have a pink dress I need to wash.
I legitimately spat out my drink by laughing at your hypothetical pink dress comment. Thanks for the laugh, MJ!
 

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You think being an entrepreneur in a work-slave culture is hard?

Try being vegan, even if you try keeping it on the "down low" (now I know why aging athletes don't say shit about it) -- I'm still in shock at the BS I have to deal with, here, from strangers, young know-it-all "fitness experts", old fat F*cks on 5 medications, and wide variety of other pharma bros. Based on some of the things I've had to deal with, it's literally a new type of racism that is cool, and institutionally endorsed and accepted -- disease and healthcare sickcare is a multi-trillion dollar business ... and healthy people are not good for business.

We live in a clown world when Pepisco and Coke is dispensing nutrition advice while funding the American Diabetes foundation.

Now excuse me while I go drink my soy milk and eat my tofu lunch -- I have a pink dress I need to wash.
MJ, are there any raw/natural vegan foods (not talking about processed foods) that you avoid in your diet? Do you particularly limit any specific natural foods?
 
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MJ, are there any raw/natural vegan foods (not talking about processed foods) that you avoid in your diet? Do you particularly limit any specific natural foods?

Not really. However there are some high-fiber veggies I try to limit as they can cause bloat and gas, things like brussel sprouts and cauliflower. I eat both, but anything over a cup tends to have some consequences.
 

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MJ, are there any raw/natural vegan foods (not talking about processed foods) that you avoid in your diet? Do you particularly limit any specific natural foods?

Due to crazy high caloric density, nuts should be limited as it's super easy (at least for me) to eat way too much of them.

Same with dried fruits (including dates) though they probably count as processed foods and your question is about raw foods.

You could also add tubers (potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc.) to this list as well as quinoa (not sure if you'd count it as processed), legumes (not only because of calories but because of a lot of fiber) and rice (whole grain since white would be quite heavily processed).
 

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Hey everyone, I should preface this by saying I'm not currently vegan/vegetarian (please don't kick me out just yet), but I have recently become more interested in the idea of changing my diet, mostly for health and to improve my energy levels. I'm someone that struggles with things like migraine headaches and I've been able to make improvements by cutting out 99% of sugars, diary etc and I'd like to keep improving.

I heard @MJ DeMarco talking about how much better he felt on a plant-based diet and I find that really intriguing.

Anything anyone can share would be appreciated -- resources/recommendations/advice wise about this sort of diet, how best to maintain it, suggestions for how to stay as healthy and energised on it
 
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We live in a clown world when Pepisco and Coke is dispensing nutrition advice
add nestle to that list of bullshit companies that need to DIE FOREVER lol
 

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Here you go, there's a whole thread for the topic. There's no shortage of cookbooks to help you up your game. Also Game Changers and Dominion are good documentaries on going plant-based (the word "vegan" is pejorative for the average person) although beware, Dominion will make you cry and leave you traumatized.
MJ, thank you! I remember watching Game Changers when it came out but then I saw folks online who'd supposedly "debunked" myths and misinformed claims it presented. I couldn't make sense of what to believe without a deep research dive I didn't have time for - so frustrating!o_O

I do believe how my own body feels though so I'll proceed accordingly. My body has felt better cutting out almost all meat. I eat fish on occasion but that's about it now.

Will definitely check out the thread and watch Dominion (with a tissue box on hand!)

I wasn't aware that vegan is considered pejorative but good to know!

Related: I'm noticing a lot of personal care products make it a point to say "vegan" and/or "cruelty-free" on their labels now if the products contain no animal products and aren't tested on animals. I suppose this would be another layer of not consuming products from sentient beings.

(I'm also still unclear about if fish feel pain but that's a separate rabbit hole.)
 

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I wasn't aware that vegan is considered pejorative but good to know!

Athena,

Tell people you're vegan and be prepared for an onslaught of comments and downright snide remarks. You think being an entrepreneur in a job culture is hard? Try being vegan in a meat/cruelty culture ... it is truly eye opening.

The "where do you get your protein" question is the funniest of all of them, ironically, from old fat people who are taking 6 medications.

I never had some many people care about my diet until I went vegan.

I wish you luck in your journey of discovery, it won't be easy. But being healthy (or unlike 99% of the world) never is.
 
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This month marks year 10 of me being a vegetarian.
A few things I've noticed:
  • It's so much easier now to go out to eat then it used to be
  • More men on the vegan/ vegetarian side then before which is nice on dating apps. Even the men who eat meat most of the time don't say anything negative about me being a vegetarian and if they do it's a red flag to avoid.
  • I save money at the grocery store not buying overpriced meat
  • I'm almost 30 so I get bloodwork done annually at my physical. This is the age where anyone who has a shitty diet has it start catching up to them where they get put on medications for XYZ. I'm not on anything and probably won't need to be for the next 15+ years. All my numbers look great and are pretty low even for my age range.
 

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You think being an entrepreneur in a work-slave culture is hard?

Try being vegan, even if you try keeping it on the "down low" (now I know why aging athletes don't say shit about it) -- I'm still in shock at the BS I have to deal with, here, from strangers, young know-it-all "fitness experts", old fat F*cks on 5 medications, and wide variety of other pharma bros. Based on some of the things I've had to deal with, it's literally a new type of racism that is cool, and institutionally endorsed and accepted -- disease and healthcare sickcare is a multi-trillion dollar business ... and healthy people are not good for business.

We live in a clown world when Pepisco and Coke is dispensing nutrition advice while funding the American Diabetes foundation.

Now excuse me while I go drink my soy milk and eat my tofu lunch -- I have a pink dress I need to wash.
Yes, I recently had a bad experience with a fittness boy. He literally ask me 5 o 6 times how do I get all of my protein??? Sure champion, go and take all that tuna that probably has a lot of heavy metals...

But that's not my game, I don't question others people's life. Just shut up and leave my with my tupper of grass sir.
 

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So is it a good time to enter the market for things that pretend to be something they are not, now that beyond meat is at less than 1/10 of the top valuation? Sounds like an underserved market to me
 

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So is it a good time to enter the market for things that pretend to be something they are not, now that beyond meat is at less than 1/10 of the top valuation? Sounds like an underserved market to me
Figure out how to grow meat in a lab. (Clean Meat) and you’ll be a billionaire. But the barrier of entry could be tough.
 

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So is it a good time to enter the market for things that pretend to be something they are not, now that beyond meat is at less than 1/10 of the top valuation? Sounds like an underserved market to me

Beyond Meat as a stock has always been overpriced. The plant-based meat replacement shelf now has like 10 competitors, even the white lable stuff is a good replacement. I believe the plant-based space is still growing and ripe for new innovations, but business opportunities, and stock opportunities are two different things.
 
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Beyond Meat as a stock has always been overpriced. The plant-based meat replacement shelf now has like 10 competitors, even the white lable stuff is a good replacement. I believe the plant-based space is still growing and ripe for new innovations, but business opportunities, and stock opportunities are two different things.
Being a vegan for more than 10 years, I had my fair share of people not wanting to understand this way of life. Trying to convince them will always result in a battle you can't win. Lucky enough there are many others that at first are a bit reluctant, but in the end will try (and this ist always a good start) living a vegan life. People need to see and believe the benefits themselves - pushing them to hard ist never a solution. Hence, having vegan Options that look and taste similiar to product Made from meat surely is a good way.

This being said, I was wondering how the vegans or vegetarins here find something to eat when you are on a trip. Since I am travelling a lot, I find getting something to eat often quite difficult.

Is there a great variety of vegan food in the stores in your countries? Have you ever experienced your preferred product being out of Stock?

I am really looking forward to reading about your experiences.
 

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I am so happy to have stumbled upon this thread this morning! It is inexplicably relieving to know there is a community of fellow plant-based lifers on this forum.

There has already been a lot of great conversation regarding reasons for going plant-based and dealing with the obstinate ignorance of most people (in the US, anyway) that has resonated strongly with me. There's so much on the topic of veganism/a plant based lifestyle that I could happily discuss for days, but at the moment I'd really like to know how the vegan journey has been going for those who had mentioned giving it a try (e.g. @Fox @jon.M @Tom.V @Athena's Escape ; and anyone else!).
 

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I was wondering how the vegans or vegetarins here find something to eat when you are on a trip. Since I am travelling a lot, I find getting something to eat often quite difficult.

Is there a great variety of vegan food in the stores in your countries? Have you ever experienced your preferred product being out of Stock?

Traveling is roulette. I purposely seek, and pick places with vegan options, like the Wynn in Las Vegas. Other times I seek out locations with kitchenettes or fridges so I can buy my own food.

Vegan restaurant options in my area is limited to about 6 restaurants. If I'm willing to drive 40m, that blows up to about 50.

This is one of the big challenges in living plant-based ...
 
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This being said, I was wondering how the vegans or vegetarins here find something to eat when you are on a trip. Since I am travelling a lot, I find getting something to eat often quite difficult.
In the past (last few years) when attending conferences that include meals, this has been difficult. The venues have all been accommodating, kind of. While the meals themselves are plant-based, they almost always are served at the same volume as the non-vegan meals; the calorie content of the meals has been more like a snack (think a serving of grilled veggies that's the same size/volume as a chicken breast or 3oz. steak). Now that I think of it, my meal at times was simply just 1.5x the veggie side served to non vegans. While pleased they accommodated my lifestyle choice, and while tasty, I'm almost always left hungry and searching for more food afterwards. And don't even get me started on dessert.. I think one time I was pleasantly surprised by a dark chocolate, avocado mousse. Sometimes I'd be given fresh fruit, but only if I pressed them for a vegan dessert option. Most of the time I'd be told "Sorry, we don't have anything for you." I've had vegan/vegetarian friends who would ditch their lifestyle and order chicken at the conferences so they wouldn't be hungry and/or have to pay for a second meal (think poor college kids). I would imagine those with allergies face similar issues at mass gatherings where they're the minority.
 

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I noticed that the high protein beyond meat stuff always has high fat also, ive been looking for a high protein, lower fat form of food. Any suggestions?
 

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Traveling is roulette. I purposely seek, and pick places with vegan options, like the Wynn in Las Vegas. Other times I seek out locations with kitchenettes or fridges so I can buy my own food.

Vegan restaurant options in my area is limited to about 6 restaurants. If I'm willing to drive 40m, that blows up to about 50.

This is one of the big challenges in living plant-based ...
I was of the Impression that there are more restaurants close by in the States.
Even driving 40m will not increase the number 6 by a lot here in Germany.

What's even worse, these restaurants won't exist for a long time because either the location ist bad or they are so expensive cause only "special" dishes are served. They don't keep it simple.

Do you see this also?
 
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I noticed that the high protein beyond meat stuff always has high fat also, ive been looking for a high protein, lower fat form of food. Any suggestions?
That ist correct. But you have to keep in mind that it is plant based fat. This fat is not bad. Of course their should Always bei a lot more proteins than fat.
 

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Hi friends. I would appreciate some encouragement since I feel at quite a low point in my vegan journey. After 5+ years vegan lately I’ve been noticing some cringeworthy things going on in many with many people that try to represent this movement, this is going to be some rant:

I cringe at the vegan youtuber I used to trust for reviews in latests studies on nutrition when he believes in climate change and that cow farts will bring the doomsday.

I cringe when the I thought reputable dr Mcdougall recommendes the gene therapy or as he called it “vaccine” for covid 19.

I cringe when Im in a new city and the vegan place’s customer service is a transexual and there is grafity in favor of abortion and down with patriarchy.

I cringe of the many vegan socialist warriors.

And lastly, Im recovering from a twisted ankle and feels like its taking forever. I considered it would take two weeks, 1 month max to get back to normal, its been more than two months and still it doesn’t feel 100% healed.

Plus some fitness influencer who’s advice actually seems to be working at least for fat loss, is pro meat.

Anyway still I pass by the meat store and the smell removes whatever desire to go back, but damn, there is some bad representation for this movement right now and it’s making me have my doubts.

I really really dont want to eat any animals but health might be the only reason I would even consider it.

Anyway just wanted to get it off my chest, sorry if its a low value post.
So I've stopped watching podcasts & youtube videos on this subject. I've been whole food, plant based for 5.5 yrs and it's all good. Blood work is perfect, energy is high, mental focus and recall is excellent, and strong in my weight training and cardio workouts. That said, I'm a big proponent of keeping up on the blood work and not guessing as how my diet is affecting me. I also read a lot of peer reviewed studies via Google Scholar and our Government's website. It's high level reading, but I just take my time. Any studies you read, you also have to look at who paid for them....could be biased.

Im recovering from a twisted ankle and feels like its taking forever.
Not surprising. A twisted or sprained ankle is no joke. There's not a lot of blood flow to repair the injury and your feet are crammed with tendons and ligaments.
 
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Thank you, do blood work is great advice. I’ve been doing caloric deficit (triying to go from 15% body fat to 10%). Could def be screwing with nutrients, and I’ve been traveling so not so much control.
Guess my mood was amazing with such a cheer me up post lol. Just time to fine tune and crush it in 2023 vegan wise and training wise.
 

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I noticed that the high protein beyond meat stuff always has high fat also, ive been looking for a high protein, lower fat form of food. Any suggestions?
Look into Textured Vegetable Protein (TVP) High in protein, zero fat

Can cook it on the stove to be similar to ground beef or in the oven to be similar to bacon bits
 

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[redacted rant]

I read your rant before the edit and I too have divergences with a lot of the tangential ideologies that are associated with veganism. In fact, those associations likely will prevent a lot of people to even consider eating plant-based as they associate the lifestyle with hyper-environmentalism, gender pronouns, and "the patriarchy".

For me veganism is about TWO THINGS: Health and compassion. You don't need to be a hard-core left wing nut job to believe in those things.

Just look at this thread for example: You got two 50+ year old males with a fitness priority raving about the lifestyle.
 
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I read your rant before the edit and I too have divergences with a lot of the tangential ideologies that are associated with veganism. In fact, those associations likely will prevent a lot of people to even consider eating plant-based as they associate the lifestyle with hyper-environmentalism, gender pronouns, and "the patriarchy".

For me veganism is about TWO THINGS: Health and compassion. You don't need to be a hard-core left wing nut job to believe in those things.

Just look at this thread for example: You got two 50+ year old males with a fitness priority raving about the lifestyle.

I honestly sometimes remember about you and MTF and remind myself that being vegan is not a leftwing insanity but rather a compassionate, intelligent and rational choice.
 

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Preface I am not vegan, although I tested vegetarianism for an year, but out of the capture what attracted me is the opportunities side of it.

Regardless of choice and related beliefs, I put quiet a bit of attention when it comes to groceries and I cannot void to stop by the vegan section chasing for something different to try. So far, what stopped me mostly is the insane amount of starchy carbs, seed oils and low grade vegetable ingredients deployed in almost every vegan product sold on the shelf.
They do not come cheap, and there is definitely a growing market. Instead of focusing on the what-so-called "fake meat" and similar, it is missing the good quality and genuine recipe simple to consume and ready to go with just the bare minimum preservatives just so they won't go off after 2 days you bought them.

Growing in a farm environment I have been quiet lucky to access to simple but tasty fresh vegetables recipes from my mum (great cook!), are basically poor-man recipes but fully vegan without being labelled as such, they're awesome and often I wonder why nobody yet made such a thing with local and fresh organic sourced products in a prep, ready to go, to be sold at the fresh section.

At least, I am talking about Australian food market, probably in US/Canada is different but you guys tell me.

Thanks in advance for your replies!
 

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