• The Entrepreneur Forum | Startups | Entrepreneurship | Starting a Business | Motivation | Success
  1. Trading Life for a Weekend?
    Build a Business, Build a Life.
    Unleash the Dream.

    Become an UNSCRIPTED™Entrepreneur.

    UNSCRIPTED™ Entrepreneurship is an entrepreneurial business strategy that unleashes dreams, frees time, and explodes your incomes—but more importantly, it changes your life forever. Make no mistake; this isn’t something you “try”— this is something you live.

    FREE Download (Unscripted) FREE Download (Millionaire Fastlane)  Register
    Registering for the forum removes this block!

The Learning a New Language Thread

Discussion in 'Education, Learning, Books' started by Fox, Oct 11, 2017.

FORUM SEARCH


Need answers about entrepreneurship? Search FIRST! More than likely your entrepreneurial topic has already been discussed.
Powered by Google Site Search.
  1. letter9
    Offline

    letter9 Contributor

    Messages:
    66
    Likes Received:
    62
    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2015
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $422
    I am learning Spanish for last year or so. Started with Memrise and DuoLingo, and now reading/listening to podcasts to improve speech. (Reading loud is important)

    Working in sales what a great feeling when I can sell to Spanish speaking customers now too.

    Know basics of Chinese(Mandarine), but gave it up cause where I leave I have 0 chance to practice it; and lots of Spanish opportunities.
     
  2. letter9
    Offline

    letter9 Contributor

    Messages:
    66
    Likes Received:
    62
    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2015
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $422
    Curious why do you choose exactly Russian? Are there advantages to Russian speakers where you leave?
     
  3. Iammelissamoore
    Offline

    Iammelissamoore Silver Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    286
    Likes Received:
    512
    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2014
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    Trinidad and Tobago
    Rep Bank:
    $3,110
    In getting out of my comfort zone, I'm looking at migrating to South Africa possibly within the next 2 years, I'm currently learning basic Zulu and Xhosa which are two of the eleven native languages there, and as time goes, I'll also look to delve into French, Spanish and Portuguese. I know one of the best ways to memorise the language is to be within the presence of others who speak it, so that's where my basic challenge is, in my country it's straight up 100% English lol; however, I'm learning the basics on the website www.memrise.com and have "self-conversations" as a means of keeping up lol - P.S. *I'm not affiliated professionally in any way to this site.

    If you don't see a specific language you are interested in learning featured, you can simply type it in the search - or simply check the left column, they have the languages based on region/continent, and you'll see the possible courses provided by contributors.
     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2017
  4. WinTheDay
    Offline

    WinTheDay Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane

    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    42
    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2015
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Atlanta
    Rep Bank:
    $279
    The accuracy of the struggles are pinpoint/ It's insane how one wrong tone and you will definitely saw something that has nothing to do with what you were intending to communicate.
    I actually watch one classic Chinese film a week, not too old and with subtitles ofcourse, but man when they start talking fast I lose it. I can definitely order food and talk about basic basic stuff but have no interest in Cantonese haha.

    You could pretty much go to Honk Kong/Shanghai/Beijing and only know English and be fine I believe. What trips me up the most other than pronunciation is those dreaded characters, so tough to write of the top of my head but reading is no problem once I learned it. Definitely going to try to become more immersed in the language since I already came this far.

    Thank you for the links provided, it feels good to be making progress in this language.

    How often do you use/read Chinese?
     
    ZF Lee likes this.
  5. Raoul Duke
    Offline

    Raoul Duke The Horrendous Space Kablooie Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    637
    Likes Received:
    1,895
    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2016
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $22,981
  6. luniac
    Offline

    luniac Gold Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    992
    Likes Received:
    1,241
    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2012
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    brooklyn
    Rep Bank:
    $6,768
    I thought Rosetta Stone was the go to software, times have changed? lol
     
  7. The-J
    Online

    The-J Legendary Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR Summit Attendee

    Messages:
    3,301
    Likes Received:
    6,340
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2011
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Ontario
    Rep Bank:
    $10,581
    I actually wrote a pretty in-depth article (10k words, no jokes) on language learning but it's kind of boring... it'll teach you how to do it though. Depending on the amount of likes on this I'll edit & publish it. I've delayed publishing it because I only speak 3 languages (and my other 2 are low-intermediate at best) while other gurus speak 10, 20, 50, and because it's long as hell.

    Basically it takes you through the entire process, step by step, even if you wanna learn a language like Greenlandic or something w/ no materials available.

    It'll tell you how to do it, why you don't need a tutor (even though one could help a ton), why you don't need to travel to the country, and how 20-40 minutes per day IS enough time (although I've prescribed some more intensive methods such as a 6-hour immersion bootcamp, based on the actual methods used by the Foreign Service Institute, for you mixmaxers out there).

    It'll teach you how to study grammar without wanting to kill yourself. It'll break some limiting beliefs about it that you might not even know you had. It'll show you how to deal with the ego while learning.

    It'll tell you how to nut up and speak to people in real life, as well as hide behind a phone screen and chat with natives there. It'll teach you how to walk the long road that is 'getting advanced'. Best of all, it's backed by science and real case studies.

    Oh and it's free with absolutely no catch. No email submit, no going on my FB Messenger list, nothing. Let me know. Don't PM me about this.
     
  8. ZF Lee
    Offline

    ZF Lee Gold Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    848
    Likes Received:
    1,109
    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2016
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Malaysia
    Rep Bank:
    $4,005
    As much as I can.
    But I think studying in an English dominated academic environment and an urban location, where everyone thinks English is the royal language of heroes, instead of merely another language, might degrade some of my efforts lol.

    On catching the quick conversations...if I think it is notable, I pause, compare with subtitles and look them up. YouTube and internet videos help lol. You can't be that versatile with TV though :(

    I was recently watching Jack Ma's first pitch vid. Passionate, but simple enough.


    View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i4564CkhbM0

    EDIT: @The-J, I'm game for such an article! There isn't a lot of language orientated stuff around here, but if you want to know foreign customers or suppliers better, it's a good practice to learn the lingo.
     
  9. Steve F
    Offline

    Steve F Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED

    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    83
    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2017
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Canada
    Rep Bank:
    $629
    I speak English and French fluently and can carry a basic conversation in Spanish, as long as I say "pero..." and wave my hands a lot.

    You have to attack a language on multiple fronts simultaneously. So I learn vocab through duolingo, insist on struggling through conversations in Spanish with people who are native speakers (I just say, "pero..." and wave my hands a lot...), read Madrigal's Magic Key to Spanish, read dual-language readers, listen to old SpanishPod lessons, etc, etc. I've tinkered with it for years, but like with entrepreneurship, my day job, my mental health and my relationships, decided to get serious about a year ago. Lots of fun. Mentally stimulating.
     
    ZF Lee likes this.
  10. Jamie T
    Offline

    Jamie T >> Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass Summit Attendee

    Messages:
    198
    Likes Received:
    597
    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    Rep Bank:
    $5,236
    I've been learning Spanish again. I took four or five years in high school, but didn't remember much from back then.

    I decided to take a daily improvement approach this time around. Practice every single day for 365 days and (in theory) I'll be better at Spanish compared to when I started.

    I use a combination of Duolingo, Rosetta Stone, and speaking with my girlfriend (she grew up speaking both English and Spanish, she's fluent.

    I'm currently on a 289 day streak on the Duolingo app. Rosetta Stone has been added in whenever I have some down time during the past 289 days too.

    Oh yea, and I make sure to watch some movies in Spanish from time to time too.


    I did learn some Russian a while back. It was fun because I really like the language, how it's written, and the sound of it. I stopped and switched to Spanish because it'll be more beneficial with what I want to do in life. I'll get back on the Russian later.

    That's pretty cool to see others taking it upon themselves to learn another language too!
     
  11. Fox
    Online

    Fox Legendary Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR

    Messages:
    1,248
    Likes Received:
    7,979
    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2015
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Valletta, Malta
    Rep Bank:
    $42,146
    I can definitely see myself living in Eastern Europe in the future, maybe even next year. I had a great time in Ukraine and really liked everything. I go to Saint Petersburg for New Years and depending on which I liked the most I will move next spring/summer I think.

    @The-J definitely interested in that. Thats some tight copy too ha!
     
  12. G-Man
    Offline

    G-Man Legendary Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR

    Messages:
    1,357
    Likes Received:
    6,594
    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $3,313
    Glad I read to the end. You were definitely getting a PM on this. I vote publish!
     
    The-J likes this.
  13. TheDillon__
    Offline

    TheDillon__ Bronze Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    382
    Likes Received:
    459
    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2016
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    DFW
    Rep Bank:
    $1,305
    Yes and no! I'm pretty active in the online language-learning community (man that really does sound nerdy doesn't it?) and Rosetta Stone actually catches a lot of hate for being insanely overpriced. You're essentially dropping $400 on a product that gives you no real foundation for the language - the most that Rosetta Stone really goes over is a lot of vocabulary. (Vocabulary which is incredibly useful, but there are many cheaper avenues.)

    That said, if you're looking to learn a language, there is one big pot-hole that you might fall into early on that will keep you immobile for quite some time, or overwhelm you completely.

    How do I know which course is the best?

    There is only one single rule that you have to follow for this.
    .
    .
    .
    .
    avoid the question that people spend thousands of dollars trying to solve.
    .
    .
    .
    .
    I've been reading too much on advertising recently. The big thing to keep in mind: The best language learning course is....


    THE ONE THAT YOU FINISH!

    No, I'm not being sarcastic. Any half-decent language learning course will still teach you an alright amount by the time you make it to the end. Some might take you a little farther than others, but the goal of nearly any introductory course is to give you a taste in the language, and get you to a point where you can have a basic conversation with another speaker.

    In my circles, the number one most given piece of advice for those chasing foreign languages is one not too alien from this forum.

    Simply, get started.

    Pick a course that you enjoy and that works well with you, and just get going! 10 minutes six days a week is a lot better than one hour one day a week.

    Here are some popular language learning courses for you to choose from:


    * Rosetta Stone - Overpriced, but can be a wonderful tool if borrowed from a friend or library, or found online.

    * Duolingo - By far the single most popular language learning app, completely free, forever.

    * Babbel - Paid app (~$9/mo.) but covers both grammar and vocabulary in a very user-friendly way.

    * Memrise - Wonderfully interactive app if you learn best via Flashcards - both free and paid versions available.

    * iTalki - Keep things classic, and find an online tutor! Trial lessons are available for most teachers at lower prices - find the one that works best for you!

    * Mango - Probably one of my favorites, and the least talked about. Mango has some 70+ languages in their system so far, and is free to use through quite a lot of libraries and universities. I used Mango for languages I'm just looking to have some basic conversations in - everything from Spanish to Chinese to Bengali to Hebrew!

    * Pimsleur - Premium language learning resource. Pimsleur' focus is heavily pointed towards pronunciation. They'll tell you what you're going to say, give you that saying translated, and then help you speak the translation syllable by syllable. (Note: Some of the courses can be outdated, and some of the vocabulary can be unnecessary.)

    * Michel Thomas - My absolute favorite. The Michel Thomas method is made to give you a deeper understanding of the language, based on the English that you already know. This course focuses on building mental processes for the language, so that you are never left stumbling over a conjugation and saying things like (I are tomorrow eating to-going) instead of I'm going out to eat tomorrow.
     
    luniac likes this.
  14. The-J
    Online

    The-J Legendary Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR Summit Attendee

    Messages:
    3,301
    Likes Received:
    6,340
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2011
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Ontario
    Rep Bank:
    $10,581
    I didn't publish it per se, I'll just show the 2nd draft of it.

    I think there are still some things I need to clarify, like what it is to live in the language and create an immersive environment for yourself.

    Here you go. Your mileage may vary.

    Please provide feedback, preferably constructive feedback. I know it's not the easiest read in the world, it's loooong.
     
    Vanderbilt likes this.
  15. SeePetey
    Offline

    SeePetey Highly Trained Ape Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED FASTLANE INSIDER

    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    16
    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2012
    Location:
    Kandahar
    Rep Bank:
    $130
    Anyone ever been to Middlebury's summer language schools? I read about it in Gabriel Wyner's "Fluent Forever" book and it sounded pretty amazing.

    I missed out on last summer's course, but my company promised to pay for me to go to 2018's if I do the Arabic.
     
  16. luniac
    Offline

    luniac Gold Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    992
    Likes Received:
    1,241
    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2012
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    brooklyn
    Rep Bank:
    $6,768
    thanks, great info.
     
  17. startinup
    Offline

    startinup Bronze Contributor Read Millionaire Fastlane I've Read UNSCRIPTED Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    162
    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $814
    Learning Japanese :)

    Right now I'm about 1100 kanji in (kanji are Chinese characters that are used in Japanese and there's about 2200 commonly used characters).

    I've researched quite a bit before getting started since Japanese is an undertaking and I wanted to learn efficiently, so for anyone interested in learning the language here's a few tips:
    1. Learn the meanings of the Kanji first. Why? Because kanji are used in tons of vocabulary so if you learn them first you'll have a strong base to build on and you'll know the meaning of some words by just looking at the Kanji that they contain.
    2. Use Anki (as @Raoul Duke mentioned) to study the characters. Each kanji is composed of radicals which are just the simple shapes and used in many different kanji. Make up a story for each kanji to connect the radicals it contains and the meaning of the kanji. It helps if these stories contain vivid imagery and are set in a location you know (basically using memory palace technique, can explain this if interested, but its too much for the scope of this comment). This is basically a memory trick to help you recall the meanings more easily.
    3. Treat learning the language as a process. Just commit to an hour or so a day and the sum of the days will add up to an entirely new language. Why mention this? Because it can be tough. I know some days I see the 100 flashcards to review and the 25 new ones to learn and I don't feel like doing it. But if you take the daily actions, you'll get the results. I used to know like 5 kanji, now I'm at 1100. You just take it one day at a time.
    4. For vocab and grammar use: Tae Kim's guide to grammar and Genki 1&2.
    5. Use services like iTalki and HelloTalk to find native speaker conversation partners and tutors (unless you live in Japan, in which case I don't know why you're reading this ;))
    Keep in mind that a lot of this is just researched, and only the Kanji info has been implemented so far. There are many ways to learn, I've just tried to collect the best resources to do so efficiently.

    Hope this helps anyone (@YanC) interested in Japanese. If anyone has any further questions, ask away.
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2017