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Should a shift in mindset be a conscious effort?

Discussion in 'General Mindset, Motivation, Beliefs' started by Michael Greene, May 30, 2017.

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    I've read a lot and heard a lot of authors and motivational speakers talk about changing your mindset. No doubt it's a vital step to creating legitimate change in your life. I'm just curious, from your experience, is it a process or an event?

    I just ask because most of the time when I hear successful talk about this it always seems like it's an event that triggered the change. Mj mentions how his was being at work in Chicago in a blizzard one day. Jim Rohn tells a story of lying to a Girl Scout about having cookies already because he couldn't afford to buy any.

    But thought patterns are often habitual, so if it takes effort to break and replace habits like eating badly and not going to the gym with dieting and excercising, should it be the same with mental habits?
     
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    It may seem like an event but I think it`s a process because you might decide in an event that you have to change your mindset but unless you remember the decision and keep to it even when times get tough you won´t keep the mindset-shift.
     
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    Some shifts happen for me after weeks or months of immersing myself in it. Become an entrepreneur took time for me because I was fighting years of action faking. I had to get my butt kicked over and over to finally surrender.

    Others have happened immediately and only took me making an honest decision. For example, I decided one day that I was going to eat healthy and work out for 60 straight days.

    Change for me require me to completely ignore my ego. If something requires me to do push-ups in the middle of a crowded mall, I have to not care about looking stupid. The only way that can happen is if my ego isn't trying to convince me not to do it.
     
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    I think it's a process that leads to an event, that then has to turn into a habit.

    Imagine you are walking into the ocean, every step leading you deeper and deeper (process.)

    Eventually, there will be a moment when the water closes over your head and you are now underwater (event), when a moment before, you were not.

    I think a lot lead up to MJs FTE moment. It wasn't that one storm, it was just that one storm that broke through.
     
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    EDIT: There are some really good answers in this thread. Some made me question my statement below, so take it with a grain of salt.
    Maybe getting ready to change is a process, and the moment you truly change identities it's an event.



    Change is a process.

    An event can start it. An event can create the decision to commit. A FTE can push you enough so you stay commited.
    But the real change is a process of concious efforts to change, every single day.

    Look at the gym in January.
    There was an event that made a lot of people sign up - probably a new years resolutions, realising they gained 10 pounds over christmas or what not.
    That pushes the people to sign up.
    But the mindset change from lazy and unhealthy to disciplined and healthy?
    That is a real concious effort.
    Especially after the first wave of motivation has worn off.
    After two weeks they realise it's not as easy and it will take some sacrifices to keep going.
    Every day they have to decide on going to the gym or sleeping in.
    Eating a Salad or eating Donuts.
    Drinking water or drinking soda.
    After a while of taking these concious efforts every day it will turn into a habit, making the change easier and long-lasting.


    So yeah, a change in your mindset is a process.
    An event can make you realise you have to change.
    A FTE can push you so far that you can't do anything but change, because the alternative to swimming is sometimes dying.

    I hope this helps. Good question, thank you for asking!
     
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    This is the question of the century!!! I feel that it comes from paying attention.

    As for the habit part, changing the way you do things will get different results. Breaking out of the routines will give you more to pay attention to.
     
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    my opinion is that true decision to change is not really a process

    it is an event . becoming better is a process

    but the decision is an event

    when you read unbelievable stories, the decision is always an event

    a moment of crisis : " enough is enough"

    this is a radical shift

    listen to the introduction of jim rohn's programm " the day that turns your life arround"

    right at the beginning , before any music introduction or anything, he tells the story of a stay at home mom

    the word that describes the best this story is : UN-BELIE-VABLE


    after being rejected by her husband for asking for 10 dollars, she promised herself that very day that she would never EVER ask for money again !


    and years later , in her office, talking with Jim Rohn about her story , she said :

    " yes, i didn't graduate from high school, yes i am vice president of this company, yes i am young, yes i make big money "

    "but i promise you mr Rohn, i have never asked for money again "


    this is unbelievable !!
     
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    I think it really depends on your situation in on your state of mind. For some people, they have an FTE (F*ck this event if you haven't read Unscripted yet). Those can be very powerful and a wake up call to change your ways.

    For other people, myself included, it's more of a process. It may not be something drastic, it may just be subtle changes.

    Think of it kind of like if you were going on a diet or needed to change your lifestyle. You wake up one day and realize that you are obese, you need to make a change. You need to focus every day I'm making healthier choices, better decisions about what you eat, and making yourself go to the gym every day. There are days when you are not perfect, you cheat, or you miss the gym. The important part is making sure that you don't let those one time mistakes become a habit.
     
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    It's both a process and an event. And everything in between.

    Sometimes you'll read, see or experience something so dramatic to you at the time that it hits you like a ton of bricks. This the "paradigm shift" so many people talk of. You go through life thinking one thing, get exposed to something else, and BOOM - mind blown, assumptions changed, mindset shifted. A book, a documentary, a first hand account or interview, etc... can often cause these. Whatever it is, it just "clicks" into place. Sometimes it's hitting rock bottom that will do this.

    Othertimes it's a slow and gradual movement. I'd likely expect social situation and how you spent your effort impacts this the most. This is how liberal teens turn into conservative adults through world experience. Or how someone from a religious family slowly moves towards atheism or agnosticism. Or how someone who could care less about the poor becomes attuned to their struggles through exposure over time.

    Sometimes you see something you admire that you don't resemble and simply CHOOSE to align yourself with that way of thinking. A poor person deciding one day to stop being poor is a good example. It takes conscious effort to change spending habits and look for work and stay positive but they are trying and trying and trying daily. One day they look back and realize they haven't had a "poor" mindset in years.

    There are no hard and fast rules. If you want something and don't have it then it makes more sense to work on it rather than hope for a drastic sudden paradigm shift though. What you don't get immediately you might as well work on getting slowly.
     
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    There are some really nice answers here already.

    Look at your own life. There are moments when you decide that you would never be the same again.

    Even when it's so small.

    The decision to stop paying attention to that bully, or stop asking for money (see example above).

    If your mindset isn't where you want it to be. Read this topic.

    The pain of not changing your mindset isn't big enough to change.

    Make not changing your mindset a bigger pain.
     
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    I think you know the answer to your question. ABSOLUTELY!
     
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    Umm...you certainly have to be conscious of breaking any habit. You ever heard of people hitting rock bottom. For some people, and event occurs to wake you up and make you more conscious and aware. You're always conscious.

    It's just what level of consciousness. Lower consciousness, lower thinking, automatic thinking. You're aware, but subconsciously doing things without being aware of the internal world inside of your head. You can be so focused on the External world and allow it to condition you and program you to believe whatever it is you're focused on. You're aware of what is being stated. You are aware there is person in front of you. There is an event. They're projecting a certain reality. You soak it up and internalize it. You're acting more out of pleasure and sensory. You're doing what you're told. You're conforming to the rules, regulations, limits placed on you by some dominate authority. You're living in a fear-based reality and allowing others to create your life out of fear. You're manipulated and giving into impulsive urges to merge with everything.

    Higher Consciousness you're fully awake and aware you're being manipulated through emotions, thoughts, and feelings. You're aware of how the mind works, the ins and outs of human nature, you have to go through the process of inner transformation and change to get to the Higher Consciousness. So frankly some event has to make you crash and burn. The event makes the emotional and mental pain hurt enough, that you're tired of struggling with the pain that you decide this lower-consciousness (Matrix) doesn't work for you. Maybe it's time to do something different.
     
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    Here's another example of an immediate shift in mindset: near death experiences.
    One day you're living life in a trance and the next day you're living life to the max.
     
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    Thank you everyone for your answers.

    What was it that made you get over the action faking phase? Yeah i'm with you, Ego can be your worst enemy.

    By Paying attention, you mean noticing the things happening beyond the surface yeah? Like why people do what they do, why you do what you do etc.

    I am actually familiar with alot of his work, and i heard that speech. So i guess what i am trying to understand is, That day....the woman in that story had a "FTE" right? and later on down the line she became a self sufficient woman. Prior to the FTE , asking for money from her husband must have been standard practice. What i am wondering is this: Did the shift occur at the moment of the FTE, as in that moment pissed her off and she lost the desire to ever ask him for anything again so she never did. OR. That moment made her realize that she did not like the feeling of having to ask other people for things even though that's what she's used to. So she conditioned herself to not even see that as an option, OVER TIME?

    I haven't gotten that far yet thank you for clearing that up for me lol.

    In TMF Mj talks about the CHOICE of perspective and gives the example of a kid telling him that he would never be able to afford a Lamborghini on his own. MJ says the kid made a CHOICE of perception. This is true, but most people don't see their "perception" or "beliefs" as a choice, their perception is usually the only one they've ever known. So, say MJ told that kid "That's not true, if i can do it you can do it...I was just like you at your age, you can always turn it around. Read this book." Now that boy has a potential alternative way to perceive his self and the situation.

    So what i'm getting at is this, using the above example: The event could have been life changing for that boy, especially if he already had self belief but based off what MJ said it didn't seem like he did, so it would make sense for the boy to make a conscious effort to shift his mindset then right?

    Another example is like toxic relationships right, so...sometimes, an event will happen that will make you realize you don't love that person or you no longer want to be with that person so once you break up with them you don't have to CONSCIOUSLY try to stay away from that person. Other times, there is no event you just know you are probably better off without the other person, so it takes conscious mental effort to stay away from that person because you're fighting impulses and desires..reminding yourself this is for the best etc. until one day you no longer have the desires at all. So there was a process to reach that point.

    With some of the FTE's i hear it comes off to me like any of the narrators prior beliefs, perceptions, values etc. evaporate once the FTE happens, which i won't dispute because I've had some experiences like that. But, my question is regarding those people who may know that change is necessary but haven't had an event light them on fire.

    (I understand some of you guys already touched on this above, just wanted to clarify)
     
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    And Mattie said! Stay up late until 3:30 A.M. working on the laptop and the main event, a giant spider walks across the floor. And I become aware the Netherlands has huge spiders and I've never seen one that big before. I kill it with my note book and than read online, you're not supposed to kill spiders in the Netherlands. Well Dang! We do in America! :) Good thing I'm an Entrepreneur we break all the rules!

    This isn't the same Spider but looks like the one I just smashed to smithereens. Now the only process I've gone through the last few minutes is thinking while I'm typing, something's crawling on my leg. lol And I've made zero profit off killing a spider!


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2yfq7ODurI
     
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    Everyone in the mastermind I was a part of promised to focus on one thing for a year and we'd be kicked out if we didn't.
    Then someone called me out when started making excuses in the event I wasn't able to get one of the first steps accomplished.
    That was when I first witnessed my action faking on autopilot, and it has shifted the way I see problems.
     
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    Interesting, did you ever realize what the reason was for your action faking?
     
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    I've thought about this and have a theory, but I'm not sure. My theory is that my ultimate goals was to do nothing. I don't mean just sitting and the couch all day. I mean not having any obligations so I am free to do anything I want at any time. So, by not pursuing any of my ideas and just researching them until I was blue in the face, I was accomplishing my goal of doing nothing (subconsciously).
     
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    Altered mind states come from taking the right actions.

    You can change your mind state through the way you talk about yourself, and how you talk to yourself.

    It also helps to get rid of all the negative people in your life, or just one negative person that's been holding you back for years.

    Most importantly, it comes from taking the right actions. The best version of you probably has vastly different array of new habits, as well as old habits that have been discarded.

    Only you - the guy staring you right in the eyes when you look in the mirror - knows your strong and positive traits (and how to strengthen them) and your weaker more negative traits (and how to lessen them). If you don't know how to enhance your positive skills, then you'd better find out and discover the best way immediately. You owe that to yourself.
    You don't get that from typing in a forum. You won't get it whilst sitting on your lazy, overweight a$$. You actually have to get up. You have to go to the gym. You have to eat the food.

    And you have to hustle.

    Phone ringing.... gotta go.
     
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    It's an event.

    Consciously - it's a process.
    Unconsciously- change happens in an instant.

    It could take someone 15 years to make the decision to stop smoking and shift from "I am a smoker" to "I am a non-smoker" but in that instant the change is made, the shift in mindset happened instantly.

    The only question is what do you want to, and do you have it now?
     
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    There are some really good and interesting answers in here, and they made me question my statement above.

    While reading it I asked myself this:
    If you had an answer to this question, how would it affect you?
    What would or could you change to use the information?

    Basically, can one use the knowledge in this thread to create a faster or better character change?
     
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    On the topic of the gym, this was a big realization for me. I started going to the gym 5-6 days a week about 3-4 years ago. I didn't notice it as it was happening, but after going consistently, with the same schedule, every week, with no excuses, it eventually became so easy. It just became something I did, not something I consciously needed to do. I have been getting up between 5:30 - 6:00 AM for years now, and I go to the gym without question. It has become so habitual that even when I am starting to get sick, or I have a mild injury and I know I should take a day off, my brain just starts trying to make up excuses as to why I SHOULD GO to the gym. Being active pretty much every day has become apart my very being.

    The point I am trying to illustrate here is that the willpower we find ourselves having to use every day just to get going is only a temporary thing. We only need to keep that will power going enough days in a row that eventually, that thing you want to do, just happens without thinking about it. It's why when I talk to people who are just starting out going to the gym, I tell them to go as many days as possible, regardless for how long or how intense they can work out. The very act of traveling to the gym daily is enforcing this habit.

    It falls into this idea that being consistent in anything involves three key steps:

    1. Motivation. This is the thing that gets us started down the path towards something we want to do. People falsely assume the people who are consistent with positive things have a lot of motivation, but really, they are probably not any better than you in this regard because motivation is temporary. Motivation can come and go after a month, weeks, days, or even minutes. Use this motivation to get started.

    2. Will power. Motivation fades, and what are you left with? The memory that you want to improve in something and the willpower to keep you going. This is the hardest phase of them all, but if you can stay focused, and push through, you're well on your way to the habitual stage. This phase isn't about performing the desired task well or efficiently, it is simply about enforcing consistency. You will likely suck at whatever you're trying to do, and that is expected. In this phase, the challenge isn't being good... It is about showing up.

    3. Habit. Once you're here, you've already won. Once you've gotten to this phase, you start doing your desired task without thinking of it. You don't stress your brain out by having to push through resistance and excuses. Do you have to push through excuses as to why you shouldn't brush your teeth everyday? No, of course not, and this is an example of habit in action, and this can apply to anything whether it be going to the gym or working on your business. Now, once something is habit, it isn't immune to being lost. Sometimes it isn't the will to do something that intervenes, sometime it is work, a major life event, etc that gets in the way. If you let these things intervene for long enough, your habit weakens, and you begin cycling back into the willpower stage. The longer you stay in the habit phase, the easier it is to maintain and the more solidified it becomes into who you are as a being.

    All my rambling can be summarized in a simple TL : DR;
    The key to mastery is consistency.
     
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    I asked this question really to offer myself and others clarity who may be struggling with this idea. It is actually kind of related to the FTE thread someone posted above. I guess what i am trying to do is make sense of the changes we all have to make sometimes.

    There are some changes in mentality that i want to make in myself, things that i understand intellectually but are not second nature to me. So the value i hope the answers would bring to someone looking for the same information would be letting them know if they should wait for an event to change them or change before the event happens.

    I think, realizing you need to change...whether it's through some dramatic situation or not, is an event in and of itself. And whether you have to consciously work at that change or not is insignificant if the trajectory of your life depends on that change being made.
     
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