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<div class="bbWrapper">I have made 2 orders from a peptide manufacturer in china<br /> <br /> The problem is he doesn&#039;t even bother putting in any work to ensure the product is not broken<br /> <br /> and by this I mean shipping glass vials in a plastic bag<br /> <br /> <br /> both shipments had about 1/2 the product broken and unusable<br /> <br /> Are any of you aware of a company I could possibly use to help ensure the product is packaged correctly?<br /> <br /> <br /> I am also using others money for this order and would not like to get burned for the 3rd time<br /> <br /> <br /> btw I have tried using imex/elizabeth shi in the past, the MOQ with them is around $20,000 which I can&#039;t do</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">[QUOTE<br /> Are any of you aware of a company I could possibly use to help ensure the product is packaged correctly?<br /> <br /> I am also using others money for this order and would not like to get burned for the 3rd time[/QUOTE]</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I think a Chinese-based Inspection Company could ensure correct packaging.<br /> <br /> However I expect you would have to specify the packaging first yourself, agree it with your manufacturer, and have the Inspection Company audit against that.<br /> <br /> I only know the theory, hopefully someone can recommend such a company.<br /> <br /> I expect that knowing the city or region your manufacturer is based in will help anyone who does have a recommendation for you - it will be cheaper for you if the Inspection Company is based in the same region (lower travel expenses to charge to you).</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 13542" data-quote="cautiouscapy" data-source="post: 488688" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488688" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488688">cautiouscapy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I think a Chinese-based Inspection Company could ensure correct packaging.<br /> <br /> However I expect you would have to specify the packaging first yourself, agree it with your manufacturer, and have the Inspection Company audit against that.<br /> <br /> I only know the theory, hopefully someone can recommend such a company.<br /> <br /> I expect that knowing the city or region your manufacturer is based in will help anyone who does have a recommendation for you - it will be cheaper for you if the Inspection Company is based in the same region (lower travel expenses to charge to you). </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Will give full response in a bit, have to head out this moment<br /> <br /> I will say I have tried talking to the manufacturer about this and would disagree with me that they arrived broken (with photos provided)<br /> <br /> I will also search for an inspection company too, although the order is relatively small $400 worth but half of it isn&#039;t my money</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Blake.<br /> <br /> The reason we do test orders is to uncover this, and bail.<br /> <br /> If the manufacturer won&#039;t do this properly, what possible indication do you have that they won&#039;t cut corners on the product as well?<br /> <br /> You have to be willing to walk away completely, not attempt to solve their problem for them.<br /> <br /> I don&#039;t care how much you like their product. They might not have what it takes to even QC it properly.<br /> <br /> I have a new manufacturer that blew me away last week. Photos at every step of the process, and more detail than you would ever want.<br /> <br /> THAT is who you are looking for. That&#039;s how you build a business. There has to be implicit trust (plus verification) with your overseas manufacturers, or you&#039;re going to eventually get burned.<br /> <br /> You know how much business I would do with your supplier in the future? Exactly zero. Done. Turn the page.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">We had a factory once ship us flat panel televisions, and the television stand was rough cut metal.<br /> <br /> When we got the 5,000 units to the United States, and saw that the stands weren&#039;t finished, the factory says:<br /> <br /> &quot;oh. you wanted them painted? You never specified...&quot;</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 8202" data-quote="Vigilante" data-source="post: 488691" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488691" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488691">Vigilante said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Blake.<br /> <br /> The reason we do test orders is to uncover this, and bail.<br /> <br /> If the manufacturer won&#039;t do this properly, what possible indication do you have that they won&#039;t cut corners on the product as well?<br /> <br /> You have to be willing to walk away completely, not attempt to solve their problem for them.<br /> <br /> I don&#039;t care how much you like their product. They might not have what it takes to even QC it properly.<br /> <br /> I have a new manufacturer that blew me away last week. Photos at every step of the process, and more detail than you would ever want.<br /> <br /> THAT is who you are looking for. That&#039;s how you build a business. There has to be implicit trust (plus verification) with your overseas manufacturers, or you&#039;re going to eventually get burned.<br /> <br /> You know how much business I would do with your supplier in the future? Exactly zero. Done. Turn the page. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Wow, youre right <br /> <br /> Looks like I will have to do this despite (knowing product isn&#039;t cut) and cut ties with them<br /> <br /> Thanks a ton vig</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I hate that, but it is reality.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 8202" data-quote="Vigilante" data-source="post: 488694" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488694" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488694">Vigilante said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> We had a factory once ship us flat panel televisions, and the television stand was rough cut metal.<br /> <br /> When we got the 5,000 units to the United States, and saw that the stands weren&#039;t finished, the factory says:<br /> <br /> &quot;oh. you wanted them painted? You never specified...&quot; </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> BTW, we ended up taking the stands to a local autobody repair shop (maaco, I think) and had them paint them before we delivered them to Circuit City.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 8202" data-quote="Vigilante" data-source="post: 488697" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488697" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488697">Vigilante said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I hate that, but it is reality. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yes, i struggled to find this manufacturer, but it can&#039;t be possible they are the only ones <br /> <br /> Anyways I am off, cya!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">What are you doing with peptides?<br /> <br /> On a serious note, as Vigi said, the way I blacklist these suppliers is a small sample order. I rather waste $100-500 than get burned on an order of $10k. <br /> <br /> With regards to your supplier, packaging glass vials in a plastic bag? Sounds like their factory is their home.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">Brilliant lesson for me from Vigilante - it&#039;s obvious that the supplier is clueless, so move on.<br /> <br /> So glad I actually added my pointless 2 cents worth, because there I was &quot;helping&quot; the supplier for the OP and Vig just cut through the cr*p.<br /> <br /> So I&#039;ve got a takeaway here - &quot;Remember to take a few steps back and look at the whole picture, the situation behind the asker&#039;s actual question, before proposing a solution&quot;.<br /> <br /> Oh, and &quot;don&#039;t try to fix it, walk away&quot;.<br /> <br /> Making a note of this to stick on my wall. Thanks <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/8202/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="8202" data-username="@Vigilante">@Vigilante</a>.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 24289" data-quote="MoneyDoc" data-source="post: 488727" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488727" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488727">MoneyDoc said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What are you doing with peptides?<br /> <br /> On a serious note, as Vigi said, the way I blacklist these suppliers is a small sample order. I rather waste $100-500 than get burned on an order of $10k.<br /> <br /> With regards to your supplier, packaging glass vials in a plastic bag? Sounds like their factory is their home. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Using them for my personal use/resell purposes <br /> <br /> Although, this thread made me realize how stupid i am to inject non governored chemicals from china (just a heads up these are not illegal, so nothing to worry about)</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 20902" data-quote="BlakeIC" data-source="post: 488730" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488730" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488730">BlakeIC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Using them for my personal use/resell purposes<br /> <br /> Although, this thread made me realize how stupid i am to inject non governored chemicals from china (just a heads up these are not illegal, so nothing to worry about) </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Bodybuilding?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 20902" data-quote="BlakeIC" data-source="post: 488730" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488730" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488730">BlakeIC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> to inject non governored chemicals from china </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><script class="js-extraPhrases" type="application/json"> { "lightbox_close": "Close", "lightbox_next": "Next", "lightbox_previous": "Previous", "lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.", "lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow", "lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow", "lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen", "lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails", "lightbox_download": "Download", "lightbox_share": "Share", "lightbox_zoom": "Zoom", "lightbox_new_window": "New window", "lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar" } </script> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="image.jpg" data-src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fbrownhillsbob.files.wordpress.com%2F2014%2F12%2Fimage.jpg&amp;hash=8e7bcffbd1f366cd80f3faa794ee07aa" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fbrownhillsbob.files.wordpress.com%2F2014%2F12%2Fimage.jpg&amp;hash=8e7bcffbd1f366cd80f3faa794ee07aa" data-url="https://brownhillsbob.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/image.jpg" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="image.jpg" title="" width="" height="" loading="lazy" /> </div></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I&#039;m going to say the same thing that everyone else here has said, but expand it just a bit. <br /> <br /> This lesson applies to quite a few areas in business - dealing with clients, employees, vendors, etc. When someone shows you their character like this early on, there&#039;s practically nothing that you can do that change them. Every time I&#039;ve tried to work with a problem client, contractor, vendor, etc, it hasn&#039;t worked out. At all. Even if they end up fulfilling their end of the deal, the amount of time I spent getting them to that point was opportunity lost.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">You cannot test/inspect in quality.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23426" data-quote="Bouncing Soul" data-source="post: 488753" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488753" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488753">Bouncing Soul said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You cannot test/inspect in quality. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Speaking of quality, you should have these materials tested at a lab here in the US for quality - purity, sterility, etc. It will be expensive, but it will save you a hyuuuuge lawsuit or 3. <br /> <br /> Beyond that, I&#039;d also look at some sort of liability insurance.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 8202" data-quote="Vigilante" data-source="post: 488691" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488691" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488691">Vigilante said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You have to be willing to walk away completely, not attempt to solve their problem for them. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> This is especially important because I&#039;ve found that thinking entrepreneurially sets off a kind of &quot;savior&quot; impulse where businesses you patronize or are partnered with are concerned-You start seeing their customer service, layout, pricing, etc. flaws a lot more clearly.<br /> <br /> Bottom line is that trying to help them fix everything is just going to slow you down. Focus on your problems-they&#039;re the ones that will make you go broke.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 24289" data-quote="MoneyDoc" data-source="post: 488732" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488732" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488732">MoneyDoc said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Bodybuilding? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yes, very much so</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">&quot;How you do anything is how you do everything.&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> &quot;The first purchase is a test.&quot; (Both ways.)<br /> <br /> They failed.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I must admit I keep having to relearn this. One day I will have burnt myself enough times to finally get it into my thick skull.<br /> <br /> Those early warning signs that your &quot;gut&quot; picks up on have a habit of being right.<br /> <br /> <br /> One of the litmus tests I have when dealing with a new client is to determine asap whether they see the cost or the value in what you can do for them. <br /> <br /> If they just see the cost, then drop them like a hot snot and move on.<br /> <br /> Every time I break this rule I end up regretting it.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23590" data-quote="Andy Black" data-source="post: 488771" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488771" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488771">Andy Black said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> &quot;How you do anything is how you do everything.&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> &quot;The first purchase is a test.&quot; (Both ways.)<br /> <br /> They failed.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I must admit I keep having to relearn this. One day I will have burnt myself enough times to finally get it into my thick skull.<br /> <br /> Those early warning signs that your &quot;gut&quot; picks up on have a habit of being right.<br /> <br /> <br /> One of the litmus tests I have when dealing with a new client is to determine asap whether they see the cost or the value in what you can do for them.<br /> <br /> If they just see the cost, then drop them like a hot snot and move on.<br /> <br /> Every time I break this rule I end up regretting it. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Ha! me too. We should start an &quot;I&#039;m about to do something stupid, please stop me&quot; thread.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Here&#039;s the thing..<br /> <br /> While you spend time talking to a prospect who has already demonstrated they are going to be a pita to work with, you are not spending time talking to a prospect who is going to be a joy to work with and who will spend progressively more with you whilst referring you to his friends.<br /> <br /> <br /> While you spend time educating poor suppliers on how to run their business, you&#039;re not spending time dealing with ones who send photos of your product being created at each stage.<br /> <br /> <br /> (I know <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/8202/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="8202" data-username="@Vigilante">@Vigilante</a> has already nailed it and you have dropped them OP. This is more a plea to myself rather than anything else. Lol.)</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23590" data-quote="Andy Black" data-source="post: 488777" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488777" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488777">Andy Black said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Here&#039;s the thing..<br /> <br /> While you spend time talking to a prospect who has already demonstrated they are going to be a pita to work with, you are not spending time talking to a prospect who is going to be a joy to work with and who will spend progressively more with you whilst referring you to his friends.<br /> <br /> <br /> While you spend time educating poor suppliers on how to run their business, you&#039;re not spending time dealing with ones who send photos of your product being created at each stage.<br /> <br /> <br /> <b>(I know <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/8202/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="8202" data-username="@Vigilante">@Vigilante</a> has already nailed it and you have dropped them OP. </b>This is more a plea to myself rather than anything else. Lol.) </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Well it is good to have input from multiple users, especially with ones who have more credibility than others in certain areas so we can see problems from different angles</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Ipamorelin sells pretty well. Margins are through the roof.<br /> <br /> Used to buy for $200-500/gram. Retailed for $6500/gram ($3000-3500 wholesale)). Of course it was to legitimate research labs in Canada and resellers. Tempting me to get started again. This was like 1 year ago.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 24289" data-quote="MoneyDoc" data-source="post: 488793" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488793" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488793">MoneyDoc said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Ipamorelin sells pretty well. Margins are through the roof.<br /> <br /> Used to buy for $200-500/gram. Retailed for $6500/gram ($3000-3500 wholesale)). Of course it was to legitimate research labs in Canada and resellers. Tempting me to get started again. This was like 1 year ago. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>You seem to know what kinds of things I am talking about, yes there is a quite of money to be made especially the margins on some of these are really good<br /> <br /> especially with all the scammy sellers out there and the pos customer service it can be very easy to stand out amongst the competitors who ship cut product +++++ if you can achieve forum sponsorships with this type of product it will do wonders for your sales</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">Think I may have to start listening to this advice. The export sales manager for the manufacturer I wanted to deal with is an absolute nutbar. It&#039;s a product that has very very few suppliers though, and theirs is the best quality product unfortunately. His last email said 15k USD is only the price of a cheap car so it shouldn&#039;t matter to me. And his last few emails constantly talk about his wife&#039;s mental illness! By all accounts they are a genuine manufacturer (havent finished my researching/sourcing yet though) but I won&#039;t be able to deal with this guy.<br /> <br /> Once I finish putting all the info and problems im stuck on together I will post in Walters AMA thread.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 24289" data-quote="MoneyDoc" data-source="post: 488793" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=488793" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-488793">MoneyDoc said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Ipamorelin sells pretty well. Margins are through the roof.<br /> <br /> Used to buy for $200-500/gram. Retailed for $6500/gram ($3000-3500 wholesale)). Of course it was to legitimate research labs in Canada and resellers. Tempting me to get started again. This was like 1 year ago. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Hello! Would you happen to have vendor information?</div>
 
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