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Wont the lack of fibwr and excess nitrates increase the risk of cancer substantially though?

I feel like if you did this fish heavy (pescaterian) youd have all those toxins to worry about and if you just baked everything it would be boring as hell.

I imagine its quite possible the excess fats and cholesterol get processed smoothly since the liver isn't having to futz about with fructose and things but no way that much charred meat isn't wrecking a mans colon.
There are more nitrates in most vegetables than meat, so if that worries you - limit your intake of vegetables (and processed meats like bacon). I THINK nitrates aren't that big of a deal as long as you're not cooking them at high heat but I could wrong.

Your body can't digest fiber. If I remember correctly, because fiber can't digest, it can leave scar tissue on your intestines as it forces things to move down the "tunnel". This isn't a huge deal short term (although can lead to gut issues short term) but long term it can scar up so much of your intestines that it reduces the ability to absorb nutrients. Causing you to be deficient in nutrients as you get older even if you're eating food with those nutrients.

Fiber might be better if used as a replacement for carbs to reduce glucose spikes.

Most fish you buy at a supermarket will be of low quality. I don't have good sourcing techniques for quality seafood I can verify so I stay away from it. It's riskier to eat low quality fish than low quality beef.

As far as "wrecking" your colon - it's all relative. Based on how meat digests, I'd imagine fiber would wreck your colon faster than charred meat. The char is such a small percentage of the meat that it may be less damaging when compared to bigger sized pieces of fiber.

This is especially important depending on the fiber in your system. If the fiber in your system is absorbing water from your intestines that would normally be used to help lubricate things, it can do much more damage.
 

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The biggest problem is at work. If I was going to a restaurant that would be fine, but the places around me are all bakery, kebabs, sandwiches, etc. I also havent been very good with vegetables since I was a kid, these old habits die hard.

Just started doing one meal a day a few days ago, already lost 1.5kg (3.3lb) but I'm keen to get this carnivore thing going on so I'll give meal prep a crack this weekend.
I wish I had better advice for you on how to get over the sandwiches and stuff, but since I just stopped eating all of that suddenly - I never had that problem.

Let me know how meal prepping goes! My meal prep is usually a big bowl of ground beef or roast lol.
 

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I wish I had better advice for you on how to get over the sandwiches and stuff, but since I just stopped eating all of that suddenly - I never had that problem.

Let me know how meal prepping goes! My meal prep is usually a big bowl of ground beef or roast lol.
Will do, alot of resources on reddit for keto shit so I'll suss out some recipes that look tasty and easy to make and go from there.
 

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It's been over a year since starting Keto. Here's a quick summary of 1 yr changes off the top of my head:
  • I can eat as much as I want.
  • My weight has stabilized at about 20lbs less than where I started.
  • I'm not losing weight but still losing fat. I'm getting noticeably leaner by the week
  • Bowel movements every 3-7 days. No stomach bloat or issues when it's time, so I'm not worried right now.
  • Hair grows faster
  • Sinus issues I've had all my life are fixed.
  • I drink a lot less water when I don't salt my food.
  • I find myself eating the same foods out of preference.
  • I may have eaten enough liver for my body. When I eat it now, I don't really want it. I eat it every so often to see if my body decides it wants.
  • Pretty sure I discovered I had insulin-resistance
  • Think I fixed a zinc deficiency. My blood tests were normal but the symptoms were there (white spots on fingernails and skin issues like eczema). I feel like I've had those symptoms all my life and figured they were normal for me. The eczema is still here but the white spots are gone. I did more than just diet to fix this.
  • Cholesterol is high (the more I study cholesterol the more I believe this is a good thing)
  • Acne is gone
  • Eye sensitivity to light has dropped drastically.
  • I don't think about food unless I'm hungry.
  • Strength has increased
  • Sleep is better
  • And probably some other things I forgot.

If you've been on the fence about trying keto or carnivore, try it for 30 days with no cheats.

I can't say this is the best diet. I don't think any of us really know. But, I'd definitely recommend trying it out
Nice progess man!
I was just talking to my co-worker about this thread. He mentioned he did it and his method was OMAD( one meal a day with keto). Have you ever tried that method, Darius?
 

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My energy has skyrocketed after I changed my diet to keto. My sleep is a lot better, I can eat three times a day, getting full after every meal, and have no guilt about it. I snack with nuts, pork rinds, different type of snack sasuages or +85% dark chocolate if I need it. But overall snacking is a lot less than before.

Weight isn't dropping like it's hot, but as Darius said, I feel leaner everyday. I also only need to drop around 5-10 kg to be around my ideal weight, so I don't care if it's moving slow. I really feel I can adapt this kind of lifestyle, and then the 5-10 kg's of fat will drop sooner or later.

Found a couple of great replacements for bread or potatoes, which I ate a lot of before. One example is röstis made of celeriac, eggs and cheese instead of originally potatoes. They are awesome and works as a great replacement.

Big thumbs up for this lifestyle. Can really recommend it if you need more energy in your life.
 
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Nice progess man!
I was just talking to my co-worker about this thread. He mentioned he did it and his method was OMAD( one meal a day with keto). Have you ever tried that method, Darius?
I've done OMAD intentionally before. It's so convenient on days where I'm busy.

I also tend to accidentally do OMAD. Some days my body just doesn't signal hunger for me, so I won't eat unless it's a workout day.
 
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Carnivore since October 2017

Most recent panel:
HDL: 101
LDL: 50
Trigs: 67
Gluc: 82

I want the LDL to be higher to get more of those anti-cancer/anti-psychosis/anti-infection benefits, but lipoproteins are mysterious creatures that work in mysterious ways.

The energy and healing factor is amazing. I started out doing OMEOD carnivore but now I'm mostly OMAD/warrior fasting.
I'm glad I found it, glad others are too.
 
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To people in this thread who have successfully transitioned from a high-carb, junk food diet to keto (and stayed on it for a significant period of time):

Have you experienced any serious improvement in your cognitive abilities? As in, does it help clear up muddied thinking and brain fog?

(I'm aware that YMMV as with most lifestyle changes. Just curious of your personal experience, that's all.)
 

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I've never felt better mentally than when I was doing carnivore/zerocarb.

Although it was really difficult to be carnivore by myself, so now I just do a loose keto where I keep carbs under 100g.

Although it is very unclear if eating lots of saturated fat is actually bad for you or not...
 

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I've never felt better mentally than when I was doing carnivore/zerocarb.

Although it was really difficult to be carnivore by myself, so now I just do a loose keto where I keep carbs under 100g.

Although it is very unclear if eating lots of saturated fat is actually bad for you or not...
Do you eat a lot of Omega 3's when on keto?

I feel those really make a difference -- my mind is spinning with thoughts and fresh ideas when I eat a lot of mackerel and sardines. (Could be a placebo, but still.)
 

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I ate a lot more fish when I was doing carnivore, about 3-4lbs a week. Most of that was salmon. 90% of the rest was grass fed wagyu beef or prime angus. Pretty omega 3 heavy.

Lately my keto has mostly consisted of chicken thighs and beef. I'd intended to start taking fish oil, but haven't kept up with that. So my omega 3 intake is way down.

I wouldn't be surprised if omega 3 does help you think better. It's highly demanded by the brain. Of course I can't prove that it actually makes a difference, and unfortunately I don't remember if it made a difference when I was eating a lot of sardines which was right before I went zerocarb too.
 

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To people in this thread who have successfully transitioned from a high-carb, junk food diet to keto (and stayed on it for a significant period of time):

Have you experienced any serious improvement in your cognitive abilities? As in, does it help clear up muddied thinking and brain fog?

(I'm aware that YMMV as with most lifestyle changes. Just curious of your personal experience, that's all.)
Yes, I had severe brain fog after eating meals that reversed itself almost completely within 2 weeks of going carnivore. It is life changing.
 

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To people in this thread who have successfully transitioned from a high-carb, junk food diet to keto (and stayed on it for a significant period of time):

Have you experienced any serious improvement in your cognitive abilities? As in, does it help clear up muddied thinking and brain fog?

(I'm aware that YMMV as with most lifestyle changes. Just curious of your personal experience, that's all.)
I've experienced a really huge improvement in cognitive abilities and reduction in the brain fog when IF which is (as far as I know) really similar to ketosis - like a milder variant of it. I am about to try ketosis in fall, but now, in summer, it's almost impossible for me - there are too many tasty local fruits that I really enjoy (I eat that in moderation).

So right now I do IF (16/8, plan to try 20/4) while eating what's close to nature - not processed without any concern about fat/carbs intake (just avoiding sugar except fruit in moderation) and it works pretty well for me.
 

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@Darius Tried raw beef liver, felt high afterwards. Did you have the same experience?
 

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I don't claim to be smarter than any doctor. They should be smarter than me, this is their job. I don't know if the doctors my mom has access to ever brush up on their knowledge or only know what they were taught in school.

Regardless, there is a big lack of common sense in the medical field from my experience today.

Maybe it's because doctors get sued if they don't follow the book - honestly, I don't know.

But, If you have to go to the doctor for anything - try to question as much as you can. I don't expect the average person to know much about nutrition/diseases and I don't expect doctors to explain anything.

I'm leaning towards telling my mom she should switch specialist but I don't have a recommendation for her to switch to. So, for now - I think I'm going to tell her to keep the specialist until I can find a replacement that works with her insurance & looks promising.
A few things about this. I've had the opportunity to get to know a lot of doctors personally, and chat with them socially. One recurring theme is that they "have to follow the book." This is frustating to the ones who no longer believe in "the book", but they do it anyway because their careers depend on it. They have to consider litigation, the possibility of being disciplined by medical boards, etc.

My conclusion from these talks is that after graduation from medical school, practicing medicine is as much a set of social rites as it is an intellectual discipline. By social rites I mean, boards of experts, rulers of the profession, authorities, etc., force them to observe certain patterns of behavior, even if their intellect and better judgement points them toward something else.

Of course, I may just have a knack for meeting frustrated doctors. I'm not trying to put them all in the same basket.

With diet, it's really amazing how persistent bad information is. There was never a valid study showing that eating saturated fat causes heart disease. In fact, it doesn't have much effect on fasting cholesterol levels. If you eat nothing but sugary snacks, you will metabolize those sugary snacks into cholesterol. If you consume cholesterol, your body will down-regulate any non-critical cholesterol production to compensate.

Worse, the idea that we need to "treat" people's cholesterol is asinine. Research shows that HIGHER blood cholesterol is associated with REDUCED all-cause mortality. So why do we want to lower cholesterol? To kill people faster? Or maybe it's because we're still using invalid, fraudulent research from decades ago, and now the pharmaceutical industry is too invested in the idea for us to quit it now.

My father had normal blood cholesterol. His doctor put him on statins "for good measure." He was hospitalized twice with liver problems, and both times, the problem persisted and did not resolve itself until he was taken off statins.

My rule with doctors and any other professionals is, nobody has your best interests in mind like you do. I hate to say it, but we all have to be our own doctors to a certain extent. IT doens't mean we should reject modern medicine - that would be stupid. But there is plenty of room for error in medicine, and we know ourselves better than a doctor knows us.

Here, just in case you think I sound too cautious, is the perspective from John's Hopkins: Johns Hopkins study suggests medical errors are third-leading cause of death in U.S.

Anecdotally I can add a few more bits of evidence for doing your own research, and knowing what's going on around you whenever medical treatment is involved.
  • When my wife was delivering our daughter, she had an epidural. A nurse-trainee came in and flipped the bed so that her head was below her feet. Wife immediately began blacking out, was barely able to whisper "I can't breathe," and I raised ungodly hell. If I hadn't been in the room, I wonder if I would have a wife or a child. For the uninitiated, epidural anesthesia is gravity-based. If you flip the patient, you turn off the heart, lungs, and brain instead of the pelvis.
  • Also my wife. She gets weekly allergy injections, and always insists on inspecting the injection before it is administered. She knows her patient number at the allergy clinic. And yes, a nurse tried to give her someone else's injection. I don't know what that would cause, but even in a best case scenario, I don't think I would want an injection meant for someone else. In a worst case scenario, like in an emergency room, it could be a fatality.
  • A friend of ours was Type 1 diabetic, or so we believed. She was diagnosed over 25 years ago, and the insulin has of course taken a toll over time. Well it turns out she was misdiagnosed. This came to light when she changed to a keto diet and started getting her blood tested independently to try to improve her health. "Oops, sorry we thought you were type 1." She's type 2.
I could probably list more, and then I could go into the insanity of medical malpractice claims, coming from the insurance industry. Don't take this the wrong way... doctors are good and necessary. However, you have to be your own doctor, and your own nutritionist, first. Well, that's my opinion anyway.
 

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Related, sortof. I just can't leave this out.

I took my cats to a new veterinarian. She asked me what I feed the cats. "Raw meat, hearts, livers." I got the most horrified look... I refrained from mentioning I also consume raw meat, hearts, and livers. That seemed like too many revelations in one day considering the facial expression.

The vet went on to blast me about what an irresponsible pet owner I am. What made me think cats could eat raw meat? For heaven's sake! They eat cat food obviously. She told me they would die of heart disease, kidney failure, have a shortened lifespan, etc.

I gathered my cats to leave since I was obviously being ambushed by a nutrition nazi, but had to mention that these cats, a Persian and a Himalayan, were 18 years old and perfectly healthy and active.
 
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What made me think cats could eat raw meat? For heaven's sake!
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lol this is gold

Where did you study to become a vet again??? lol...

Do you do carnivore or just have this as part of your diet?
 

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The NHS currently have about £4.3 billion in outstanding negligence legal claims. That’s about 5.6 billion dollars.

 

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Do you do carnivore or just have this as part of your diet?
I've never tried to do a named diet. Overcooked meat and raw vegetables, for whatever reason, make me feel bad. The exception being lettuce... I don't have to cook that. I got so sick eating raw carrots I actually thought I might die. Being an idiot,I assumed that was a fluke and tried it again about a year later. Same thing. I have a friend who snacks on raw carrots all the time... no way I could survive his diet. So I guess I just eat what my stomach accepts.
 

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I know I'm a few years late, but awesome topic. I would like to add and share my personal experience with low-carb/keto.

I have struggled with weight most of my adult life. Because of my height and size (6'2", 240), I was able to hide it well. I have always taken an interest in physical health and work-outs, but as TMF + Unscripted point out, it has always been an event based motivation instead of a long term mindset and lifestyle based.

A few years ago, after regular blood tests and general physical checkup, my doc scared the crap out of me because my Cholesterol was relatively high for my age, my triglycerides were off the roof and he said at my age (37), I was on my way to developing Diabetes and metabolic syndrome. As a father of 4 young kids, one of my biggest fears is not being present in their lives as life moves forward.

About a year ago, I decided to go all in, taking small but important mental/physical steps.

a) Started learning what I could about different diet options and other solutions to get on the right track. I tried a few options for a few weeks at a time and saw what was working and what was not. Tried high protein, low calories, intermittent fasting (which I still do once in a while), etc. After much research and talk with my doc and other health professionals, I realized the common thread of our overall North American unhealthy food choices and diets are sugar and carbs.

b) About 4-6 months ago I made a decision to jump all in to low carb/Keto. I can genuinely say that for me it was life changing.

Although I still consider myself in the early stages, I have been able to go from 240 down to 227lbs. I know it's not that much, but it has been quite a struggle, as I have sometimes let my cheat meals turn into cheat day(s), and would have to start over again to reach ketosis.

Main Changes:
- obvious physical, more energy, clearer frame of mind, weight loss and muscle maintenance with regular basic workouts at home
-my cravings for sweets and carb rich foods have practically disappeared, except for the occasional chocolate cravings (chocolate addict here).
- here is one of the most amazing, although not certain that it is related to Keto (still trying to see the science behind it) --> as with many overweight people, I have had fatty lipomas growing in certain parts of my body throughout the years, as I get older. The crazy part is I am actually starting to feel some of them decrease to point of almost non existent!

Bottom line is, I think that diet options, and general food lifestyle choices are not meant to be used across all the lines. For some, Keto works better, for others, IF, for others Vegan - what I do see however is that there are certain black/white things that make a health difference in all our lives, and we all know it - sugar, crap food, empty carbs, etc. etc. Also, as it related to this forum, I see that one of the best ways to gain momentum and see actual results is health/fitness - this gives you the push, purpose and motivation to get the other essential parts of life in order!

Good luck fellow Fastlaners and to your health!
 

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I try not to eat a ton of processed foods, when I’m consciously eating healthy, but that Enlightened Keto series of ice cream is absolutely delicious. The “Butter Pecan” and “Coffee and Cream” are both amazing. I discovered it last week, and it feels like that Seinfeld episode with the low-fat froyo... too good to be true.
 

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This is great!! I have been eating keto for 13 months now, started an animal-based diet (meat, fish, eggs and dairy) in february 2020 and have been a strict carnivore (meat, fish, eggs and water, and NOTHING ELSE) since mid-april 2020. I don't think I ll ever go back to a standard diet. Got rid of depression, anxiety, my hair changed its consistency, my teeth got whiter, I am less moody and have a better self-esteem. Even though I wasn't fat, I lost 12 pounds!!

I buy meat from a wholeseller directly and buy per 10kg so I get it cheaper. I stopped going to the supermarket altogether, which saves an incredible amount of time, and stopped cooking too since the only thing I need to do is...cook the meat in the pan.

I wouldn't recommend carnivore because it is too extreme and few people will be able to keep up with it, but I most def recommend keto. Sugar is evil, there is no way around it, and decreasing its consumption only yields positive results!!
 

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