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NOTABLE! Millennials are Jerks, And Boomers Are to Blame

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    A whole generation now bears the hollow self-esteem and inflated expectations that come from weak parenting
     
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    Damn it.
     
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    and a scandalous 27% of millennials say they’d take credit for a colleague’s work if it helped them get ahead.
     
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    BINGO. In other words, a 27% would STEAL (er, copy) someone elses hard work to get ahead. How telling ay?
     
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    "In the world they see, those traits are necessary to survive."

    I believe in taking responsibility for your life, and creating your world. On the other hand at the same time I understand if you're raised by a generation that has basically not taken responsibility until their 40's or 50's (Generation x) of course you're going to have reckless children. This is an interesting topic for me, because my son is part of this group. You do have to admit role models play a big part by their example, and frankly I remember them all saying Generation X was the worst they had ever seen in the 80's. We were the worst bunch. Perhaps just generations die off and the next generation is the worst. They used to say we were lazy, rebels, punk rockers, underground, drugs, sex, and alcohol was in the school.

    I've watched these children and many talk to me about their problems and issues. They're smart and more advanced than we were at their age. They see right through things. They know when you're authentic and the real deal or just talking b.s. They do have a rebellious attitude, and gravitate towards being creative, video game players, indie/emo/ and make their own rules to play the game. Not so different than our generation. Perhaps more loud with their voice. Not passive and submitting to society or conforming.

    Lazy yes, more like bored to death in our society. lol That is just the one's I know. They do have the technology that wasn't there for any other generation. They have everything at their finger tips. Exposed to adult content earlier online. Access to anything on the internet. As one told me, I can go in the bathroom and lock the door. Look at anything I want too. No one can stop me. They can go to the public library, take their wifi technology anywhere with them, and flip the middle finger.

    It's a whole new crew of thinkers, and maybe in a sense it is what we need to shake up the world and turn it upside down. Chaos is needed for the world to change. History repeats itself in time. No they can't blame the Baby Boomers, or Generation X for why they don't have a job or millionaires. They do have a point. The older generations did create our world, made the rules, regulations, voted for things, and even as you put in your book, they created go to college because it was the way. What worked for the last generations won't work for them.

    They have to create a new world for themselves. They can be lazy, they can avoid taking responsibility, but sooner or later the parents will dump them on the streets, and they will have a hard landing if they don't get stuff together. Might be their lesson to learn as a group to work together to make it a better world, or all fall down together and live in laziness. It's their choice.
     
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    Good article....very interesting.

    My Daughter is majoring in Psychology.....man is she going to be busy !
     
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    You can most definitely trace it all back to the baby boomers. Regarding baby boomers, George Carlin sums it up nicely through a very blunt and extreme presentation. If you're sensitive to profanity, don't watch, but some hard truth doled out in that video clip. Wish that man was still with us.
     
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    Don't pretend things were different.

    Only the packaging was different.

    They knew how to fix a car engine
    We know how to fix a PC with adware on it

    Their dream was the salaryman on the TV
    Our dream is the rapper on the TV

    They listened to songs about 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds'
    We listen to songs about 'Molly'.

    They read books and watched TV
    We read blogs and watch Netflix



    For anyone naive enough to not realize that 99.9% of people ARE PRODUCTS of their environment, read 'Beyond Freedom and Dignity'. I f*cking hate this attack on young people, and I hate the vilification of the previous generations, as if they didn't have their own troubles to deal with.

    As for the '27% would take credit for their colleagues work' statement. The only difference between 'us' and 'them' is that we don't care as much about looking 'decent' as the older guys do. The era of the euphemism is dying, or rather, it is transforming.

    In our music, we don't 'make love' we 'f*ck bitches'

    But it has always meant the same thing.
     
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    Bull. And a woman is something much different than a bitch. If you want to degrade in words other human beings, feel free to do so. But don't say that respect and disrespect are the same thing.
     
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    Yes, of course.

    It's way more respectful if you call them 'ladies' isn't it, it changes EVERYTHING. Because Lil' Wayne is a misogynist but Don Draper is classy, right?

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WubeN06WLXQ/SweFy2Cum-I/AAAAAAAAB8s/JKJ6OsPQHYE/s400/vintagesexism5.jpg - Isn't it

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WubeN06WLXQ/SweFbz3q3oI/AAAAAAAAB78/EAJiMo7mYYg/s400/driving+ad.jpg - Isn't it

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WubeN06WLXQ/SweFb6KfcpI/AAAAAAAAB8E/5Y0xb2fiuos/s400/eddie+mack+album.jpg - Isn't it

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2_VLKkrgW...yg/s1600/83505aef2b2d5b623624d1f3a0f4d5ef.jpg - Isn't it

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-x12lod9Ae...HM/s1600/43260037beb345948c9efa9aeb595f00.jpg - Isn't it

    Stop 'Bah Humbugging' yourself (see what I did there?) We're all as bad as each other, and I am not justifying it AT ALL. I am saying that we have ALWAYS sucked, merely in one form or another, and it pisses me off when Millenials are singled out as the root cause of all evil in the world.
     
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    I disagree. It's the context, the mindset behind the words. You really think someone that uses the term "f*ck bitches" has the same mindset about women than someone who says "make love?"

    Obviously the person who says make love can be an ass, but generally speaking, if you think they're the same, then I think that's kind of proving the point about a large majority of younger people these days.


    Didn't read the article yet, so not sure it is saying they are the root cause.

    But, for me personally, I definitely don't think they are the root cause. However, a large majority of younger people these days do have horrible attitudes and mindsets about life.
     
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    'Come on baby, light my fire.'
    'I wanna take a ride on your disco stick'

    I was using 'f*ck bitches' and 'make love' as a general example. If we are being entirely literal, then the 'new' way of saying it IS more disrespectful. I'm just mad at the sanctimonious, pseudo-superior way of being looked down on.

    I absolutely agree.


    They are not. It's not the article that annoys me, it is the debate itself.

    I'm not gonna pretend that my anger is completely objective, it is influenced by past experiences.
     
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    Hm, why is that?

    I'm a millennial and I see that a lot of my peers care very little about ethics. University is hard, so they'd rather cheat or take Adderall to study. Keeping appointments is hard, so they'll bail at the last minute.

    Most (yes, MOST) of the people I know still get bankrolled by their parents at the age of 21, and I don't mean that they pay for their education. I mean that they can just call and ask for money at any time without asking any questions and Mommy will wire it over. They don't need to work in order to find their life. Even some people end up getting jobs and have their living arrangements paid for! WTF?!

    Not only that, but our general attitude is that we MUST become successful above all else. Everyone's definition of success is different, but millennials are willing to do anything to achieve their success even if it means we have to lie, cheat, or steal.

    What's worse is how millennials were sold on a big fat lie (told by Gen X'ers and boomers, by the way). "All you need is a college education and you'll make 6 figures!" Feeds directly into our need for success and the result: 5-6 figures of university debt.

    Some majors do have a higher rate of employment than others. If you do engineering, finance, or computer science at a high ranked school you're extremely likely to get a lucrative job in your field with only a bachelor's. But most people don't major in those. Most people end up being told that all they have to do is get a bachelors and they'll get what they want.

    We're bitter, really.

    I wish more kids could read TMF just to see that there is another way to do things. Not everyone is cracked up to be an entrepreneur, but they need to understand that college =/= safe secure job for the next 40 years.
     
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    I don't know if all "Generation X" teaches that. I never did. I understand quite well your generation. I believe like I said before you will all have to create a new world. I believe although right now you're all young. I understand there is a lot of rebellious nature coming out. I can't say that I don't agree with your generation. Probably because I never fed into the Baby Boomer Mindset.

    What ever they've created doesn't really matter. The whole future and world is in your hands as you pave the way. It's just using that intellect and energy in appropriate ways. History is History and it has been pretty messed up through the centuries. Humanity as a whole just keeps creating a bigger mess. We still haven't learned non-violent ways of communication, dropping the prejudice, discrimination, and segregation and separation. We've gotten better at it since the sixties, but we can push it further. Sure it's easy to blame. We all play a part and co-create together. We all have to take responsibility for the part we play.

    Fortunately, just like the 1960's I believe you're generation is just the one's changing things again in a new direction. I don't believe the Baby Boomers set the best example in their generation. I don't believe generation x did any better. I believe many of us are at this point making changes and leading the way. Every generation blames it on the last. We co-create as I said before. We monopolize, knock out small business, create corporations, and sure they give us jobs. On the other hand there is no security left for anyone for any generation. We have created the business laws, and the minimum wage. We've voted for the people in office. We complained about things, and made rules and regulations. Like any other generation the next tries to clean up the mess left over from previous people.

    We try to create something better and still don't resolve the world's issues and problems. We can't change the masses. We have no control over their mindset. We can only do it one by one through changing ourselves and being the leaders and examples. So yes, I don't see how disrespecting the children makes a better world. We will just get the same back. It's no longer break the will of the child. Every one in your generation is screaming out loud it's the end of this, and it doesn't serve or work anymore. Pain and Suffering is on every social media site. Depression is 1 in 4 women and 1 in 6 men. Suicide is 1 in 10. If that isn't a big enough sign to stop the emotional, mental, spiritual, and physical violence I don't know what it will take.

    People are tired of the control, manipulation, and deceptions. People are angrier than ever. We just have to remember it starts with ourselves. This is all we can do. Do our part. Not generalize. There are many people out there trying to change this world into a better place. While others do nothing to change it, because they are happy with the way things are in the moment. Even the Baby Boomers get upset with the job situation and the Government. You're not alone. We're all experiencing the same thing at every age. You may just not be aware of it. The upper class basically are the one's that support literary programs, art programs, music programs, scholarships, and other non-profits or health organizations. If they didn't do their part you wouldn't have any help at all. Everything would be gone. Like food pantries for examples. Grants and budget cuts stopped in 2011. The wealthy continued to keep them open by donating food, clothing, and even help pay for shelter.

    We forget there is two sides to the story, and a lot more behind the scenes than you're aware of. There is always the good, the bad, and the ugly. All you can do is accept things as you go and forgive those that harm and have gratitude for those do that do help you, teach you to be excellent leaders and take those keys to build a better tomorrow.
     
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    It's always made sense to teach our kids to live as we did and they will be successful, because for 99.9% of our existence, it worked.

    We've now entered the age of exponential innovation. Yet, our entire society remains bounded by institutions and ways of thinking that teach us what worked in yesterday's world will remain effective today.

    How could baby boomers have known what worked for them would become obsolete so fast? And how could millenials have known to go against their parents advice before they even experienced the workforce themselves?

    We blame each other but we are in this together. We need change. We need to prepare kids for uncertainty, because the uncertainty we face now is only continuing to accelerate.
     
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    Exactly...that is what me and my son are doing. We work together and learn together. I have to laugh because I'm in the Netherlands and he'll get on Skype with his friends in this generation and we'll talk about all the things they can create or become an Entrepreneur. Do there parents like this, I'm teaching them, no they don't. I know it's their only option to create the world they can survive. The old ways don't work anymore.
     
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    This really hits close to home, because I'm a 'millennial' myself + my big long-term project is all about motivating the upcoming generation. I want to address parenting.

    My parents are great, and without them I wouldn't be the person I am today. That's the issue: most parents aren't even remotely decent.
    • I just had a meeting today with a highly-stressed, public high-school teacher who, starting yesterday, has been required to provide his less-gifted students with what he described as 'parenting' ON TOP of the planning, teaching, and grading he already does. The county realizes that parents are slacking, and in order to graduate these kids, SOMEONE needs to give them that attention, guidance, and motivation their parents haven't given them. Apparently these parents are binge TV-watchers and have pretty crappy relationships with their kids. So, most kids have no motivation, and their parents just don't give a sh*t, so nothing happens, and that impacts schools negatively with declining graduation rates.
    Think I live in the projects? Nope. I'm in the 10th-richest county in the United States of America with a median income of $100,000. They should end high school at 10th grade and use funding for those 2 years of school for parents-to-be to learn how to get their heads out of their a$$.

    • I had another meeting today with the Director of Career Services for our flagship state university (>35k student body). My SaaS helps students determine a career path + figure out the most effective way to succeed in it. You know what this guy said? Great idea, but most kids just don't care about figuring out a career when they're in college. They're at college for the 'experience' and piece of paper. 90% of them won't ever enter the career center. Those that do just want a resume for the career fair next week where they'll appear totally clueless.
    And parents do what about this lack of direction? Usually, nothing. Should they be pushing their kids to be doctors against all costs like Indian parents? No. But being completely indifferent? That's not healthy either, and it's partially to blame for the bad mentality so many kids have right now.

    Are parents the only ones to blame? Of course not. Kids themselves do seem to be disrespectful more than they were in past generations, and I'm sure that's a factor in the lack of parents' ability to influence their kids. BUT even then, as a parent, it's your job to put that kid in his place.

    Most parents are TURRIBLE. Guidance at high schools + colleges is NONEXISTENT.

    This isn't a workable recipe for a successful upcoming generation.

    So yeah, boomers are to blame, not because they created corrupt companies or are taking our jobs, but because they are mostly not good at parenting.

    EDIT: I called boomers jerks. My fault. I was trying to parallel the title of the article.
     
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    In this sense, yea, things are really the same... however...

    They are vastly different, and those differences aren't reserved for just millennials. A lot of it is brain chemistry. To deny it is to deny how the digital world has affected the younger generation (as well as the rest of us) -- those impacts are profoundly felt for the younger generation because they grew up with this stuff during the impressionable ages.

    For example...

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/are-millennials-in-love-with-themselves-2014-09-03

    PS: I did not write either of these articles, just a gentle reminder.
     
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    For anyone who's interested, there's an awesome book that discusses generational dynamics and theorizes why our country/world is in a state of crisis right now. And yes, I DO think it's in a state of crisis. We've got exploding debt, shattered social structures, and some really crappy behavior that's seen as perfectly okay. Dang, I could go on, but I fear I'll sound like a crusty old fart.

    But basically, the theory is that generations aren't linear, but rather go in cycles that repeat over and over again.
    • The Hero Generation (WWII): They fight the tough battle and settle in afterwards to rebuild society and indulge their children.
    • The Artist Generation (Silent Generation): They're the overprotected children born during times of crisis.
    • The Prophet Generation (Boomers): They're spoiled, entitled and enraged by civilized society, so they rebel by tearing down societal norms.
    • The Nomad Generation (Gen-X): They're the latchkey kids raised by neglectful parents, and thus, become tough and self-sufficient, but cynical bastards.
    • Repeat: The Hero Generation (Millennials): Ah, here's where it gets murky. This generation is supposed to repeat the cycle and rise to the challenge much like the WWII Generation has. But...according to the authors, there was one time during U.S. history that no "hero generation" arose. Any guesses when? Alas, it was during the Civil War. A very sobering thought, isn't it?
    One thing that really amazed me was that this book was written in 1997, almost 20 years ago. But their predictions were uncanny and incredibly thought-provoking.

    The Book:
    http://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turnin...1409789824&sr=8-1&keywords=the+fourth+turning

    Wiki Info:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss–Howe_generational_theory
     
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    People are people, and they have only themselves to blame.
     
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    That sums me up perfectly. My cynicism is out of hand sometimes.

    Yes indeed. There are two types of change: cyclical and linear. In order to grasp what is coming next, we have to determine whether to look at the science of cycles or if it's a tipping point, something that isn't going back to the way it used to be.

    Culturally, I think the human race has gone through so many changes in the last twenty years, largely due to technological advances. The law of entropy states that everything in nature is slowly breaking down. I firmly believe that humans are a part of that, and technology will allow it to happen more rapidly.

    I tend to think of these things based on universal laws, since I know those will always remain true. When looking at social structure and societies, I always start with the cycle of chaos. Everything starts in chaos, then order comes from it, then something happens to drive it back into chaos, thus the cycle repeats. It's how the universe works, and for the most part, societies and countries.

    The point I'm driving at is that everything is going to keep getting worse, most likely through a series of linear changes. Just wait until Artificial Intelligence takes over. I think about my nieces, who are 6 and 10 now. Every time I go home, they are glued to a computer or a tablet. Their childhood will largely be remembered through a screen. The best statement to sum up the current generation: buy a $300 pair of headphones in order to listen to poor sounding music that they didn't pay for. Entitlement, selfishness, and consumerism will all get worse, and so will the debt to go along with it. As this happens and the media and politicians continue to keep the people polarized (since that's the easiest way to make money), things will continue to unravel. In the USA, you've got a front row seat to it all! Relax and enjoy the show folks! (cynical rant over)
     
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    As a district Manager in the corporate world, we actually had to partake in a HR session on how to deal with Generation Y and it's is a interesting subject. They basically told us in a nutshell that you can not expect them to work as hard as the older generations, as they have not been conditioned that way - where you actually have to put in effort to reap rewards. They stated that as the majority have never had to work hard, put in any real effort to survive, or known true hardship, you can not expect them to comprehend the meaning of putting in 100% and they went on to say it isn't a fault of their own and you can not reprimand them if they don't put in the same effort as their peers. It is just the way it is.
    Not saying this is indicative of all this generation, but from my own experiences, there is defiantly a sense of entitlement for just showing up from a lot of them.
    The exceptions to the rule are often the type of people we see on this forum - The ones who realize input=output
     
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